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ICANN Cancels 'Digital Archery' Program

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the icann-see-why dept.

The Internet 54

itwbennett writes "ICANN announced today that it has canceled the Digital Archery contest it had planned to use to decide which gTLD applications would be evaluated first. The organization gave no indication of what it will do instead. In making the announcement, Cherine Chalaby, chair of the gTLD Program Committee, said, 'We will not make a decision in Prague but will take all of the ideas into account and build a roadmap,' adding that the roadmap will detail the next steps and timelines as well as assess implications to applicants and the risk to the program."

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ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40507893)

Bernie Madoff comes to mind.

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (1, Offtopic)

sribe (304414) | more than 2 years ago | (#40507913)

Bernie Madoff comes to mind.

Oh, bullshit: he was supremely competent at ripping people off. ICANN could not be more different!

Unless, of course, they weren't trying to rip people off at all. That would be different indeed ;-)

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40507971)

Oh, I don't know if they're actually that competent. But then evil is there because being competent is too hard.

It seems that they have been making decisions of late that come from late nights out at the bar, hookers, and blow.

ICANN VP#1: Hey I have an idea, let's charge 185,000 dollars for these new TLDs - it's the speed of packets travelling down a wire in miles per second!!! ISN'T THAT NEAT?
ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap!
ICANN VP#2: Hey, we can't decide who should get these new TLDs if more than one entity decides to buy the same TLD. Let's make a game! A flash game that you can't audit! We can have it cheat and give advantage to our buddies!
ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap!
ICANN TECH: Holy shit guys, someone walked away with the list of bids and bidders!
ICANN FLASH DEVELOPER: This flash game is BOLLOCKS. I can't make a workable game *and* have it cheat without without it being too obvious!
ICANN SWITCHBOARD SECRETARY: Goddamnit, I can't handle all these irate calls!
ICANN BOARD: OH SHIT!
PUBLIC: YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS!
ICANN BOARD: OOPS.

--
BMO

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (4, Funny)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508503)

    How did you get the transcript from their meeting?

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (1)

rs79 (71822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40512369)

Yeah no kidding, it usually takes weeks to get those.

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508531)

"old chap"
"cromulent"
When did ICANN become British?

Cromulent, old chap? (2)

Tim the Gecko (745081) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508613)

"cromulent"

I say, old bean, this isn't a British word at all. Some American chappie called David X. Cohen came up with this word for "The Simpsons", which is apparently a very popular animated show.

Toodle pip!

Re:Cromulent, old chap? (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40510681)

The Simpsons is still on? (I kid, I kid, but I obviously don't watch it)

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508621)

Since when is "The Simpsons" British?

Re:ICANN is the biggest pile of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40512669)

The bad guys always sound British!

Hit and Miss (0)

mynamestolen (2566945) | more than 2 years ago | (#40507919)

Can't win them all.

Re:Hit and Miss (4, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508131)

Chair Cherine Chalaby chats; chooses to chuck chance-based chump-cheating channel; choked by chafed, cheerless chairpeople.

Re:Hit and Miss (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509065)

>inspired alliteration

I love you.

--
BMO

Re:Hit and Miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40515063)

I post my username at the end of all my posts, because I think people might have missed it RIGHT THERE ABOVE THEM WITH MY UID.

I even do it when my username is almost as long as what I posted...

Re:Hit and Miss (1)

Trilkin (2042026) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509275)

Why is this voted troll? Should be funny, but I have no mod points.

Re:Hit and Miss (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509325)

Technically it's 50% troll, 50% funny. "Hit and miss" indeed.

Time for UN takeover? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40507923)

These stumbles with the sponsored gTLD flop speak volumes for ditching the whole ICANN in its current form. In practice, this hastens the development that will eventually lead to the United Nations taking over the ICANN's current operations; a death sentence to Internet neutrality and uncensored access.

Re:Time for UN takeover? (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508925)

This isn't a 'stumble'. They just finally realized they are leaving money on the table by having this stupid lottery to only let some fraction of these new gTLD's be granted. Now, they need some way to announce that all of them will be permitted, followed by some kind of internal bonus awarded to everyone involved within ICANN.

Insane mismanagement (4, Interesting)

crow (16139) | more than 2 years ago | (#40507939)

This shows that ICANN has no clue what they're doing. All they cared about was getting the huge cash infusion from the application fees. They should at the very least have had the entire process planned out from the beginning.

What would be nice now would be fore a coalition of major ISPs to state that the new TLDs are stupid, and they won't support any of them on their name servers. That should pretty much kill the whole thing. In fact, and association of ISPs could use this as a chance to replace ICANN, demonstrating that their authority is limited based on the extent that the ISPs agree to let them have the authority.

Re:Insane mismanagement (5, Insightful)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508065)

Sorry no.. almost anyone but the ISPs.. I want my ISP to be as close to a dumb pipe as it can be.

Re:Insane mismanagement (1)

crow (16139) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508191)

I agree with you, but I don't see who else has the power to simply reject ICANN and make it stick.

Re:Insane mismanagement (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508231)

Unfortunately, anybody with the power to simpy reject ICANN and make it stick also has the power(and, certainly in the case of ISPs, also the inclination) to be even worse...

In particular, ICANN has room for TLD fuckery, and seems to be making use of it lately; but ISPs are in the position to both engage in TLD fuckery and the overwhelmingly more serious business of controlling traffic for various rent-seeking or voice/cable TV legacy service preservation purposes.

TLDs are a penny-ante sideshow by comparison.

Re:Insane mismanagement (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508193)

Nope, they'd still go ahead with it because they won't save much money by cancelling it now, but if just 1 person buys one, they'll probably break even. Even if every tech-savy person in the world knows no ISP's will support them, there will always be some sucker^H^H^H^H^H^Hinvestor to buy a thousand of them.

ICANN... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40509169)

has cheezeburgers?

Re:Insane mismanagement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40509807)

This shows that ICANN has no clue what they're doing. All they cared about was getting the huge cash infusion from the application fees. They should at the very least have had the entire process planned out from the beginning.[...]

I have met and spend time with several ICANN thought leaders. Planning is not in their DNA. In contrast, the insinuation that all business being conducted in bars is incorrect. I have it on good authority they spend a fair minority of time in various states of sobriety, being policy wonks.

Sounds like a request for bribes... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40507943)

... ICANN is likely just waiting to see if they can get some of the bidders to offer some additional revenue under the table for the names that more than one company wanted to buy. They certainly don't give a damn about coherence or ethics at ICANN.

Re:Sounds like a request for bribes... (1)

KPU (118762) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508097)

So this will make it closer to an auction, which is what should have been done in the first place?

Re:Sounds like a request for bribes... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508499)

So this will make it closer to an auction, which is what should have been done in the first place?

Somewhat (though ultimately no), and no.

It somewhat makes it closer to an auction in that more money wins the contest. However, most auctions follow a time table and have some sort of equal chance for bidding. Bribery - which is likely closer to what ICANN is after as they are openly crooked - does not care about equality. If they have companies A B and C bidding for the gTLD .icannsucksass, they will shop it around to all three. If they like company C better than B, but B offers some amount that is higher they will go tell C what the offer was from B and ask them to beat that offer. In other words, they will take bribes and combine it with cronyism.

As for what should have been done in the first place, the right thing to do was to not sell gTLDs at all. There are many, many, bad things that can come from this and very exceedingly few good things. They are doing this not because it improves anything but because it brings in more money. Read the full statement of what is given to the company who buys a gTLD and tell me that it is not a bad thing...

So like eBay (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508853)

If [...] B offers some amount that is higher they will go tell C what the offer was from B and ask them to beat that offer.

And on eBay, each bidder knows when he has been outbid. How is this different?

Re:So like eBay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40509691)

If [...] B offers some amount that is higher they will go tell C what the offer was from B and ask them to beat that offer.

And on eBay, each bidder knows when he has been outbid. How is this different?

They do not tell A & B what the bid by C was in the GP's scenario because "they like company C better". Please learn to read before you write.

No, not like eBay (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40511439)

If [...] B offers some amount that is higher they will go tell C what the offer was from B and ask them to beat that offer.

And on eBay, each bidder knows when he has been outbid. How is this different?

A couple important ways

  • eBay auctions follow a time limit. Everyone has a set amount of time to get in their bids and try to outbid the other people who want the same item
  • eBay auctions don't reveal the identity of the other bidders, or the maximum bids that they placed. In the case of a cronyism driven auction both of those bits of information are likely given away (at least to the favored bidder) in order to get more money for the item

In other words, it really isn't like eBay. Few people would want eBay to operate like that - especially bidders.

Being as ICANN is not telling what is going on, they are likely manipulating the system to maximize their own profits. They have shown lately that the most certainly don't give a damn about the consequences that their crappy decisions have on the internet or any users of it.

Re:Sounds like a request for bribes... (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508519)

    That'd be a lovely idea. They'll be cobranded "gTLD by Google" and "gTLD by Microsoft". Well, I'm sure a few banks would get in on the game too. Anywhere they can make money for nothing is their favorite industry.

Cage Deathmatch between Engineers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40507949)

We could just tell them its a recreation of their Jedi vs Klingon war fanfic and they'd go nuts. The TV ratings alone would make ICANN millions.

From the end of the article: (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508021)

Applicants stated that ICANN was not the owner of the money of the application funds it received, and asked when they could get their money back.

"I am sad to tell you we are not giving you the money back, "ICANN's chair of the board Steve Crocker said,

BECAUSE WE ALREADY SPENT IT ON HOOKERS AND BLOW.

--
BMO

Re:From the end of the article: (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508101)

Unfortunately, in their quest to make their own internet, with blackjack and hookers, they have in fact appear to have forgotten about the 'internet' part...

Re:From the end of the article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40509127)

2/3 aint so bad.

Re:From the end of the article: (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508477)

I thought this was a joke, but he actually did say that... Somewhere, some lawyer is laughing. Really really hard.

Re:From the end of the article: (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509533)

yeah.. it's rather ridiculous. notice that he didn't even dispute who is the "owner" of the cash, just said that he wouldn't be paying the deposits back.

fucking ridiculous, "hey, pay us money! you might get a tld!" then later.. "yeah yeah we're exploring the options how to make it happen, honest!"

Ep..!! (-1)

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Google TLD's, "just do it" 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40508207)

So with Google running public DNS servers on 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 if I were Google I'd just be tempted to start serving the domains they applied for (e.g. .lol and so on). ICANN is pretty obviously corrupt/incompetent at this point.

Re:Google TLD's, "just do it" 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40508341)

I am sure that google's application for .lol is a meta joke about the process.

wanna tell us wtf the digital archery program was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40508363)

love this headlines just assumes we all stay riveted to icann minutae

Re:wanna tell us wtf the digital archery program w (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40508383)

love this headlines just assumes we all stay riveted to icann minutae

FTFA: "The chosen method to decide which application would be handled first consisted of an online archery contest where applicants had to shoot their digital arrow as close as they could to the bulls eye of a time stamp called Digital Archery. After applicants complained that they experienced unexpected results and reported network latency issues, ICANN decided to suspend the program last weekend."

Re:wanna tell us wtf the digital archery program w (1)

Trilkin (2042026) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509285)

It was essentially the equivalent of ICANN going 'I'm thinking of a number between x and y...' and people trying to guess the number to get their gTLD applications looked at first.

Digital archery (1)

c4tp (526292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508417)

That's cool, I think "digital archery" sounds like a better idea for Nintendo.

decision making (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508485)

"We will not make the decision in Prague ... no, this decision will require at least 15-20 more all-expenses-paid meetings in luxury resorts around the world."

Re:decision making (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40511615)

"We will not make the decision in Prague ... no, this decision will require at least 15-20 more all-expenses-paid meetings in luxury resorts around the world."

I think it's just a matter of cultural sensitivity. It's against local custom to make any decisions in Prague. If you make an important decision, you may even end up paying a stiff fine to the city magistrate. There is an ordinance against making important decisions here and the city council takes these matters very seriously. If they actually wanted to make a decision at the summit, they'd have to make a phone call to Vienna, Berlin, or Moscow in order not to offend the locals.

Digital Archery (1)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508589)

"Digital Archery" is very apt. It's a stupid name for a stupid idea made by a stupid organization.

Online gaming as a part of TLD creation process? (2)

Gimbal (2474818) | more than 2 years ago | (#40508889)

Seriously? I mean, seriously? ICANN, even briefly, introduced online gaming into the process of creating new top level domains? I knew that the Internet could resemble a circus, but that really stretches the limits of believability.

Pardon me while I file a registration for .barnum.

I don't wanna know what was before that. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509147)

> ICANN Cancels 'Digital Archery' Program

The article continues:

"The 'Digital Archery' program had itself replaced the earlier and even less popular 'Digital Ball Cupping' Program."

Re:I don't wanna know what was before that. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40509543)

..and the original plan was to only allow tld's that one couldn't dispute. for example pepsi getting .pepsi. basically if there's any dispute between two applicants - even just between two potential applicants, then the tld shouldn't be granted.

it's just a fucking money grab now.

Read the truth about ICANN and the DNS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40509703)

ICANN'T (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#40510615)

Has ICANN ever had any clue about what it's doing? It is the keymaster to the modern Fort Knox, and it has always been supremely incompetent in every way.

How is it possible for "typo domains" to scam millions every year by violating legitimate trademarks? Why would you expand the top level domains without ensuring they segregate names into sites that don't conflict with each other, which is the only purpose of a namespace, thereby ensuring that names in the different TLDs do conflict and confuse the consumer?

ICANN is a gang of dangerous morons. They're creating a competence vacuum that tyrannies like China, Russia, Iran and the corporate taliban in the US are using to seize control of the Internet to destroy its freedom.

The real question that should be asked (1)

rs79 (71822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40512381)

Is why are domain names still a hierarchy? They were only designed that way because computing resources were expensive.

Think about it. Do we want to give people names or entire hierarchies and hops they do the right thing?

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