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Android 4.1 Jelly Bean Review

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the tastes-good-except-for-the-white-ones dept.

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New submitter codysleiman points out a review of Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) at The Verge. They say the look and feel of Google's mobile operating system has improved in a few different ways. Aesthetically, it isn't trying quite so hard as it did in Gingerbread and Ice Cream Sandwich, making the UI less of a distraction. While performance benchmarks aren't much different, Jelly Bean forces 60fps throughout and lets the GPU, CPU and display run independently, so it at least feels smoother and more responsive. Another big area of improvement is notifications: "You can tap a share button on photos, calendar appointments give you a snooze or email attendees option, missed calls provide direct call-back buttons. ... Google has introduced APIs for actions on notifications and I hope that app developers take advantage of them, because it would be nice to have more actions on a variety of different apps." The new on-screen keyboard also got some much-needed updates, and Google Now looks promising.

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255 comments

Too bad no one will get it (-1, Troll)

mkraft (200694) | about 2 years ago | (#40544649)

Considering the low amount of people on 4.0, it's seems almost like there's no point in releasing 4.1 at this time.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544705)

Now that JB is here and is very similiar to ICS it should be an easy upgrade from ICS to JB and manufacturers will likely scrap ICS upgrade plans and go straight to JB.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545389)

You have seen the upgrade paths for android, right?

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544717)

Considering the low amount of people on 4.0, it's seems almost like there's no point in releasing 4.1 at this time.

No one? I already have it.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (4, Informative)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#40545561)

It's just more FUD from the Slashdot anti-Android astroturf brigade.

Reality is a little different:

The bigger view comparing ICS with other Android versions shows how ICS is the only one of them that has grown its penetration percentage in the last period, and that Gingerbread may have started its S-curve decline, echoing the one that Froyo in green below has already been through:

The takeaway here? Well, despite declines, those other OSs are still being sold and used. ICS in total, he believes, now represents about 42 million devices in use, compared to 260 million running 2.3, and 70m still on 2.2, aka Froyo.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/03/melting-point-for-ics-its-share-of-android-penetration-is-growing-while-others-falling/

Re:Too bad no one will get it (3, Insightful)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | about 2 years ago | (#40545887)

That's not the point though. I have a samsung galaxy s2, and I am willing to bet a dollar that I will never get upgraded jellybean, unless I flash the rom.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1, Troll)

espiesp (1251084) | about 2 years ago | (#40546251)

And if you never install windows, I'm guessing you'll never get Windows 8.

Going to cry about being stuck on XP? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40544731)

So I go and check my "About Tablet" and I see... 4.04! What blather are you spouting?

Re:Too bad no one will get it (5, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545041)

So I go and check my "About Tablet" and I see... 4.04! What blather are you spouting?

The "blather" that very few Android users as a whole are using the latest version of the OS, with all the new features that are being promoted (like this new API for example) because handset manufacturers don't want to update old phones that are perfectly capable of running ICS, and now JB, but want you to buy a new phone instead.

The last graph I saw showed that only 6 or 7% of Android handset users were on ICS, and now JB rolls around. Google needs to address that problem somehow, but I'm not really sure what it can do given the nature of the way Android works - that freedom has unfortunate side effects in some cases.

Compare that to iOS' distribution, where a *much* larger percentage are running the most recent version, making it a lot easier for developers. the trade off, of course, is that Apple tightly controls the ecosystem.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545115)

I just bought a Nexus. Neither my Nexus S nor my Galaxy Nexus have had any problems getting updates. I expect the same treatment when my Nexus 7 gets here.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (4, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545293)

I just bought a Nexus. Neither my Nexus S nor my Galaxy Nexus have had any problems getting updates. I expect the same treatment when my Nexus 7 gets here.

Good for you - you're obviously in that 5 or 6% who have phones that receive updates (or are able to be trivially updated). The vast majority of Android users are not like you, as shown by the stats. Either they simply do not update for whatever reason, or they are unable to. It's a problem that doesn't go away (and in fact, only gets worse) if those at the top of the Android food chain with the really good devices say "I'm ok, so there's no problem". This issue still affects you, since it causes problems in the Android ecosystem as a whole.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545317)

It gives trolls a convenient talking point too ;-)

Re:Too bad no one will get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545421)

But, but but...

Android is OPEN SAUCE
It must be good!

It must be perfect!

Otherwise Linus lied, which would break too many brains here

Re:Too bad no one will get it (3, Interesting)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545441)

It gives trolls a convenient talking point too ;-)

I'm genuinely curious here, do you think I'm trolling, or do you think there's no problem with only a fractional proportion of the Android user base using the latest version of the OS, only for that OS to be already depreciated?

Clearly the "you can buy a Nexus S if you want to update" model isn't really working.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (4, Insightful)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#40545549)

There is no problem at all. If you don't care about OS updates (and many many people don't) you buy a cheaper product from a company that does not give you one. If you think it is important you buy the top models from Google or Samsung and pay the price for it. Unlike Apple products in this case you have the choice of not to paying the premium price for future upgrades if you think you don't need them.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (3, Interesting)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545803)

But you have that choice from Apple too - you don't have to buy the latest phone. Apple sells the 3GS still (free on contract, otherwise $99) and the iPhone 4 and they *still* gets the latest OS, despite not paying the premium price. There will be certain parts of iOS6 that are not supported on the 3GS, but it's not bad for free.

So, like unlike Apple, you get the choice of not paying the premium price for future upgrades if you don;t think you need them, since with Apple you get the non-premium phones with the future upgrades included.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545919)

The 3GS? Ha ha. That old piece of shit isn't even worthy of discussion with it's pathetic QVGA screen. And don't forget the thousands and thousands of apps in the Apple App Store that will only run on the iPhone 4 and above. Not that that raggedy piece of shit will run all of the new shit like Siri. Speaking of which has been royally stomped by Google Now. Ha ha.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40546171)

The 3GS? Ha ha. That old piece of shit isn't even worthy of discussion with it's pathetic QVGA screen. And don't forget the thousands and thousands of apps in the Apple App Store that will only run on the iPhone 4 and above. Not that that raggedy piece of shit will run all of the new shit like Siri. Speaking of which has been royally stomped by Google Now. Ha ha.

This discussion was about cheaper, non-premium phones. The 3GS "royally stomps" (to use your words) on some of the non-premium Android phones out there that it is currently targeted to compete with, most of which also have a similar screen to the 3GS (since the iPhone lineup is low, medium, premium with the 3GS, 4 and 4S respectively). The 3GS certainly qualifies as a non-premium alternative, especially since it is available for free on various carriers with a contract.

Just because you don't think it's "worthy of discussion" doesn't mean that a) it's not still a viable option in the market (it still has high sales, despite being 2 generations behind), or b) that Apple is not supporting it with the latest version of iOS, which it is - iOS6.

The GPP claimed that there was no alternative to the premium choice with Apple, and there is with Android. The 3GS demonstrates that both Apple and Android have non-premium, affordable options.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#40546215)

Apple 3GS is an old piece of shit that is considerably inferior to any middle ground Android phones in the market, like Galaxy Ace, for example, AND more expensive.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545567)

only a fractional proportion of the Android user base using the latest version of the OS, only for that OS to be already depreciated

Deprecated. The word is deprecated. Depreciation is a bookkeeping exercise to recognise the cost of an asset over a period of time. Deprecation is the word used to describe software features being superseded.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545951)

only a fractional proportion of the Android user base using the latest version of the OS, only for that OS to be already depreciated

Deprecated. The word is deprecated. Depreciation is a bookkeeping exercise to recognise the cost of an asset over a period of time. Deprecation is the word used to describe software features being superseded.

Yeah, I realised as soon as I posted it - I had a typo and used the spelling corrector, only to pick the wrong one in the list and I didn't catch it until I'd hit submit.

Je suis desolé.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40546101)

Sorry for being irritable then, it's a pet peeve.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545591)

How many Windows Phones that people are buying right now will be upgradable to Windows Phone 8? How well is Siri working on your iPhone 4? Fucking troll.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545977)

How many Windows Phones that people are buying right now will be upgradable to Windows Phone 8? How well is Siri working on your iPhone 4? Fucking troll.

Why does this have to be about iOS or Windows Phone?

You touchy fandroids really can't seem to get past defining yourselves by how much you hate everyone else.

If an ecosystem has an issue, then whatever the other guys are doing is irrelevant - you fix your own problem. If "Team A" is better than "Team B" yet there are still areas of improvement that can be made in Team A, do you simply say "no need to improve, we're already better than Team B, so there are no problems!"?

Seriously, not every observation about Android is an "attack". You might understand that some day, kid, after you learn how to log in I assume. Baby steps. The Internet is a big, scary place.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40546023)

fandroids

Yep...I was wondering when the troll^H^H^H^H leopard would show his spots.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#40545865)

I have a Galaxy Nexus that was just updated to ICS 4.04 last month. It took a little while only because Verizon is my carrier. Those who really want the latest OS root their phones. Mine is not rooted but if it was, I could probably get Jelly Bean right now.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40546127)

I have a Galaxy Nexus that was just updated to ICS 4.04 last month. It took a little while only because Verizon is my carrier. Those who really want the latest OS root their phones. Mine is not rooted but if it was, I could probably get Jelly Bean right now.

And you don't see that as a problem? The issue with Verizon? This is what I mean. I have taken serious vehement, frothing flack from mostly AC posters kneejerking to my perceived "trolling of Android" when pointing out something that is a fact - the low adoption of updates due to deliberate feet dragging or outright abandonment to force new phone sales.

My point isn't to create a dick waving contest over iOS or Windows Phone or any of that, it's to suggest that maybe Google could try to do something about it.

For a site where the very idea of a signed bootloader is causing outrage on the desktop (Secure Boot), slashdot sure is happy to let all that nonsense slide when it comes to Android, as long as there are some phones that are able to update without rooting them, as was pointed out to me earlier. Apparently the low percentage of ICS users is "meaningless FUD" because *his* phone is running ICS, and thus fuck everyone else.

If one of the licence requirements of Android was an unlocked bootloader from the start, and an inbuilt (optional, but on by default) periodic check for updates, perhaps the ecosystem could be streamlined. I don't know. I just feel that right now it's almost silly that so few Android users are on the current, bugfixed, high quality ICS despite the fact that they almost certainly could be and would be having a better experience as a result.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (4, Interesting)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#40545493)

That 'problem' is solved by time. It is an unstoppable force. It marches on. When Gingerbread came out, we heard the same complaints. 6 months later, we were still hearing that complaint. At the time, most users were not on Froyo yet. Today, 64% of users are on Gingerbread and 10% are on Ice Cream. JB gets released now, and in 6 months, we will see a small percentage on JB, more users on Ice Cream and fewer on Gingerbread. With Android, you will also see people skipping releases. Eclair never made it to very many phones. It was great for those of us that got it, but most people went straight to Gingerbread. Not getting Eclair did not hinder them in any way.

With Apple, either you are an early adopter, or you are too old to care about. On Android, we have early adopters, as well as mainstream users, and late adopters. My year old phone is on Gingerbread, and iOS still hasn't caught up to it in functionality unless you buy a specific model of iPhone. So, while you can say that everyone on iPhone is running the newest OS version, while Android users are not, you can also say that every Android user can perform voice searches while iPhone users cannot.

Simply put, worries about being on the newest OS version is meaningless FUD.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (3, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545923)

Wait, you're claiming it's FUD because your one year old phone is better than an iPhone 4 (I'll pick the iPhone 4 since that was the current model a year ago), and specifically claim that the entire problem of low adoption of the latest OS release on Android, and the issue of manufacturers and carriers deliberately blocking and/or delaying updates to phones that can support them in an effort to drive sales of new phones, both of which cause big headaches for developers is "meaningless FUD" because Android users can voice search?

I think you need to lay off the Apple hate and stop framing everything as a competition with Apple. Fuck what Apple are doing, look at how Android is doing. Who cares if you can voice search on Android. Good for you! How does that have any bearing on the problems posed by the fact that a very small number of users are on the latest version of the OS and those who might want to join them either don't know about it or are blocked from getting there?

Constructive criticism of the platform and its perceived issues are not attempts to "troll" or "spread meaningless FUD".

An Android user might be blocked from getting ICS (and now JB) despite his handset being able to support it is hardly going to be placated by you spouting "well at least you can voice search! it's so much better than iPhone! lolz!". I imagine he already thinks that, since *he bought an Android phone in the first place*.

On the "you're either an early adopter or too old to care about" front on iOS, the facts simply do not bear that out. iOS6 is launching soon (likely with whatever the new iPhone will be called), but it's in developer beta now. It will support the 3GS (albeit with some features missing, like Siri) - that's hardly a culture of "early adopter or too old to care". The 3GS was released in June 2009, and they'll be actively supporting it with the latest OS. By the time iOS6 hits consumer handsets that's over 3 years, and the active support of the previous 4 model generations (3GS, 4, 4S and the new one). That's certainly doing "better" than some Android handsets that have been abandoned and can't upgrade (and for balance, doing "worse" than some Android handsets that will be supported for longer).

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545991)

Constructive criticism of the platform and its perceived issues are not attempts to "troll" or "spread meaningless FUD".

Then criticize the platform if that's what you want to do. All you've done so far is criticize the behavior of the various OEM's. You've been told over and over that if you want an Android device that gets guaranteed updates you get a Nexus. Since this article is about Jelly Bean, do you have any specific criticisms of it? Otherwise you are just continuing an off-topic rant.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (4, Insightful)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#40545799)

Compare that to iOS' distribution, where a *much* larger percentage are running the most recent version, making it a lot easier for developers. the trade off, of course, is that Apple tightly controls the ecosystem.

"Easier for Developers"? LOL. I have developed apps for Android and I know what's required to develop apps for IOS. First of all, Android apps can be developed on Windows (all versions), linux, and OSX platforms. Apps can even be developed on Android itself. Eclipse + ADT plugin makes it very easy. IOS apps, on the other hand, can only be developed using Xcode running on OSX. Also, its pretty easy to test your Android app while in development using the emulator but most devs prefer to side-load their app onto the device because its faster and just better than using an emulator. Let's try side-loading an IOS app....oh wait, no USB port. Of course then there's the whole tightly controlled ecosystem you mentioned with Apple...Despite that, vulnerabilities still surface but I bet there are others that Apple stays tight-lipped about and maybe fixes quietly. When Android has a vulnerability, the whole world finds out through the open system of development, arguably making Android appear less secure.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#40546025)

Compare that to iOS' distribution, where a *much* larger percentage are running the most recent version, making it a lot easier for developers. the trade off, of course, is that Apple tightly controls the ecosystem.

"Easier for Developers"?
LOL. I have developed apps for Android and I know what's required to develop apps for IOS. First of all, Android apps can be developed on Windows (all versions), linux, and OSX platforms. Apps can even be developed on Android itself. Eclipse + ADT plugin makes it very easy. IOS apps, on the other hand, can only be developed using Xcode running on OSX. Also, its pretty easy to test your Android app while in development using the emulator but most devs prefer to side-load their app onto the device because its faster and just better than using an emulator. Let's try side-loading an IOS app....oh wait, no USB port.

Of course then there's the whole tightly controlled ecosystem you mentioned with Apple...Despite that, vulnerabilities still surface but I bet there are others that Apple stays tight-lipped about and maybe fixes quietly. When Android has a vulnerability, the whole world finds out through the open system of development, arguably making Android appear less secure.

Yeah, you basically described "using a computer" - something I expect that a software developer does not consider to be difficult.

When I say "easier for developers" I'm not talking about having to use Windows, or OS X or some other really trivial thing, I'm talking about being able to simplify your workflow at the actual coal face, especially as it relates to testing and QA.

If you're finding it "difficult" because iOS development is only on OS X, then you might be in the wrong profession.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 2 years ago | (#40546135)

I side-load all my iOS apps. The ones I write, that is. How do you think iOS developers test?

Re:Too bad no one will get it (2)

MachDelta (704883) | about 2 years ago | (#40544881)

The problem are the carriers, not Google. Once a carrier has sold you a device and locked you in to a contract, what incentive is there to keep your device up to date? It's just a money sink to them, and they'd much rather have you drooling over an early upgrade in part because of an OS upgrade too.
Personally, i like sticking to Google's phones.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#40545101)

what incentive is there to keep your device up to date? It's just a money sink to them, and they'd much rather have you drooling over an early upgrade

Huh? Carriers make their money on service, not hardware. That's why they're willing to sell you a phone at a loss to get you to sign a new contract. As long as they can get customers to stay with them, it's beneficial if you keep the equipment you have as long as possible. That changes somewhat with technology changes. Right now, carriers have an incentive to get (data consuming) customers to move to LTE, because it's cheaper to provide bandwidth there.

Verizon recently changed things around, if you want a subsidized phone, you have to give up grandfathered unlimited data. So, they'll be trying to get people to move to new phones to force that. But I suspect many will simply stretch out their phones life with privately developed upgrades, or buy future phones used or at full retail. Hopefully, the eventual move to VoLTE will create a more competitive market for handsets in the US, and make service and hardware more separate, and it has been with GSM, etc. in most of the world. At that point, it's likely that phone manufacturer's will sell directly, and OS upgrades will be a selling advantage.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545287)

What about 'incentive' don't you understand? Testing software for 6 months, quality assurance, and certification costs money. Where they earn their revenue is irrelevant. There is not incentive to incur the COST.

Re:Too bad no one will get it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545359)

Symbian foh lief!

But... (2)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#40544659)

apparently the time is still off by the GPS-UTC difference, you still can't do voice commands via Bluetooth (such as when in a car dock), and the email client sends even plain text as base64 encoded.

Re:But... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544721)

apparently the time is still off by the GPS-UTC difference, you still can't do voice commands via Bluetooth (such as when in a car dock), and the email client sends even plain text as base64 encoded.

yes.

Re:But... (4, Informative)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40544773)

Speaking of Bluetooth, I got a new car, a Mazda 3, and my t-mobile G2 just worked. Setup is via voice control through the 3's stereo. A call comes in, I can pick up the call the steering wheel buttons, it routes throught the stereo, and I can also voice call out. How cool is that? No more hiding my phone below the dash.

The point is, my particular Android phone was probably never tested by Mazda. It just worked because it's all standards-based.

Re:But... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544911)

Welcome to the year 2000. I bet you haven't bought a new car in quite a while.

Re:But... (1, Offtopic)

damnbunni (1215350) | about 2 years ago | (#40545023)

Well, you shouldn't NEED to buy a new car more than every ten years or so. Unless you're getting really crappy cars, or not taking care of them.

I certainly plan to keep my current car at least ten years.

(My car's a 2007 model, and doesn't have Bluetooth anything. I stuck with the base stereo; for some bizarre reason, the nav system upgraded one couldn't play mp3s, but the base one could.)

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545217)

Why not get the upgraded nav system and get a radio that has some form of auxiliary input (in the form of a 3.5mm stereo line-in jack) so you could just connect up an mp3 player or cellphone with music loaded up. That's all I look for on a radio now a days just because its the simplist way to play all my music in my car without needing to carry around dozens of CD's or have my music stored on two different mediums in the same place (one in my pocket on my phone and the other on a USB drive or whatever to play in an MP3 enabled car stereo).

Re:But... (1)

compro01 (777531) | about 2 years ago | (#40545267)

Because the MP3 players and phones typically aren't intended for eyes-free operation. On a properly designed car, all typical functions (Radio, HVAC, etc. exceptions would be setting the clock and other such not-supposed-to-be-done-while-driving tasks) should be easily controlled without needing to look at them.

Re:But... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544789)

I just wish they'd offer an option to send SMS converting special charactera like "ã" "ç" "ó" "é" into "a" "c" "o" "e", so I could at least send a 160 character SMS and not a 60 one...

Re:But... (1)

godIsaDJ (644331) | about 2 years ago | (#40544819)

Dude, these days most of us are on unlimited texts! Ergo no one really cares...

Re:But... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544929)

Yes, but splitting a

Re:But... (1)

flowlee (950212) | about 2 years ago | (#40545433)

Mod point, mod point, my kingdom for a mod point!

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545253)

Not sure about the car dock thing, I was able to use voice to get navigation directions while driving cross-country last year with my previous android phone (A Droid2Global). I was talking to the phone through a BT speakerphone hands-free device. The phone had a custom ROM installed on it and was rooted but I don't think that had any effect. I'm sure newer ICS phones can do that too but I haven't tried it on my own yet. Surely 4.1 would since voice commands were a huge part of this update with Google Now. I'll wait until I get the Jelly Bean update to say for certain.

Android = fail (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544683)

Considering how apple is cleaning Google's clock in the market AND in get courts I don't see how this new version of lamedroid matters.

Thin different.
Think better.
Think Apple!

Re:Android = fail (1)

willie3204 (444890) | about 2 years ago | (#40544737)

ya that was pretty unbiased. thanks Anonymous Coward!!

Re:Android = fail (2, Interesting)

Andrio (2580551) | about 2 years ago | (#40544791)

It took 4 versions of iOS before Apple let the user even switch the desktop wallpaper. Apple isn't about "thinking different." It's more about "We've done the thinking for you."

Re:Android = fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545061)

Google is cleaning Apple's clock in the market, which is why Apple is competing with them in the courtroom. Apparently they think market competition should be illegal if they can't compete. If you can't innovate, you litigate.

Re:Android = fail (1, Flamebait)

freman (843586) | about 2 years ago | (#40545121)

I got on the train this morning and saw half the carriage on their iphones doing what ever apple users do - I couldn't help but think, as I pulled out my android, "who's thinking different now bitches?"

2.3.5 here (-1, Troll)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40544755)

I'm at 2.3.5

Which release numbers are incrementing faster, android or firefox? I think FF is in the lead for version incrementing.

Re:2.3.5 here (1)

Analog Penguin (550933) | about 2 years ago | (#40544841)

2.3 is over 18 months old so I don't Android is incrementing terribly quickly.

Re:2.3.5 here (1)

Analog Penguin (550933) | about 2 years ago | (#40544885)

...so I don't *think* Android...

Re:2.3.5 here (2)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 2 years ago | (#40544883)

That's plain disingenuous. Firefox's a blatant example of version number inflation; there's nearly no distinguishing feature between each version. Android's a fast progressing software project; new versions are frequent, but each comes with significant (sometimes drastic) changes.

You should be complaining that your phone manufacturer/mobile provider is keeping you stuck at 2.3.5 instead of complaining Google is improving the OS.

Re:2.3.5 here (1)

Rhodri Mawr (862554) | about 2 years ago | (#40545247)

Firefox is merely following Google's example with Chrome. For reference, Chrome is currently version 20 on my machine and still looks remarkably similar to version 1.

Re:2.3.5 here (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545391)

The main difference is when Chrome updates, my extensions still work. Firefox, sadly, not so much.

Re:2.3.5 here (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#40545661)

Or be happy with your phone in the exact same way you would be if Google didn't release updates so fast, and just hit every other version. The obsession with needing to be on every version released is a self inflicted problem. In the 4.5 years that Android has been on the market, there have been 10 version releases. Complaining that you are not getting an OS update every 6 months is simply silly. Anyone that wants reliably regular updates to stay on the newest version of Android has that option. Everyone who does not have the newest version of Android has chosen not to. Having every phone that isn't a Nexus phone disappear from the market would make Android OS version numbering have the same percentages as iOS, but it wouldn't be good for us Android users.

lol surface killer? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544839)

too bad like 90% of the tablets out there can't actually upgrade to this shit meanwhile then ios6 drops like 80% of the tablets out there will be running it within a week.

Re:lol surface killer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544961)

Of course you could just buy an Asus tablet and get the update within a few weeks. But if you prefer to reward companies for poor service, keep buying those who abandon you immediately after you purchase their product.

Re:lol surface killer? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545057)

If you want the real Android experience do what I do and buy Android products with the word 'Nexus' in the name. It really isn't that hard.

Re:lol surface killer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545377)

All those Nexus products. All one of them.

Yes, it is hard. Not every carrier offers a Nexus device. Isn't it only Verizon? Google only recently added the Devices section to their store where you could buy a reasonably priced and unlocked Galaxy Nexus. And now they've suspended it from the store because of Apple's absurd injunction.

Also, there still is no Nexus tablet. It hasn't shipped yet. So again, yes it's difficult. Rather, it's impossible.

Everyone is so happy and glad you have a Galaxy Nexus, but you're trying to defend against one of the most valid and popular complaints about the current Android ecosystem. Try again this time next year once Google has more Nexus phones and tablets on the store and some people have had time for their contracts to expire. Maybe then you can blame the more tech-savvy that they should've bought Google devices, because there may actually be some by then.

Re:lol surface killer? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545527)

All those Nexus products. All one of them.

How many iPhones are there? How many Windows Phone devices on the market right now will be upgradable to Windows Phone 8?

Yes, it is hard. Not every carrier offers a Nexus device.

Actually, you can get the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, Sprint and the GSM version works on At&t and T-Mobile with full data speeds. The iPhone works on less carriers than that.

Also, there still is no Nexus tablet. It hasn't shipped yet.

True but it is shipping in 2 weeks. The Xoom before it was the Google Experience tablet device and they have already confirmed Jelly Bean will be released for it.

Everyone is so happy and glad you have a Galaxy Nexus, but you're trying to defend against one of the most valid and popular complaints about the current Android ecosystem. Try again this time next year once Google has more Nexus phones and tablets on the store and some people have had time for their contracts to expire. Maybe then you can blame the more tech-savvy that they should've bought Google devices, because there may actually be some by then.

I'm just pointing out the fact that if people are so up in arms over Android updates, there is a simple solution. Just get a real Android device. They make it real easy for you, just ask for "Nexus" by name.

Re:lol surface killer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545157)

Are you talking about that OS that will have a new version this year and won't run on the current flagship device?
Hint: this device is a couple of months old.

A nice step forward (5, Interesting)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 2 years ago | (#40544859)

It seems Jelly is exactly what it should be; a refinement on ICS. I must say as a mixed mobile OS user (Touchpad ICS+ Nexus, iPhone 4, Sammy Wp7) that it is really nice to hear Google is going after lag issues. If I didn't use iOS or WP7 I likely wouldn't notice, but despite some real solid improvement since Honeycomb Android has to me never felt quite as swift. To me it was really the only thing left that Google was notably behind on and especially frustrating on high end hardware, and makes me even more secure in my Nexus 7 pre-order. I'm really glad to see that unlike fans on all sides of the issue Google is able to identify concerns and kick them fast. Bodes very well for their new tablet focus.

Re:A nice step forward (0, Flamebait)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#40544967)

Yes, I've tried to use Android up to and including honeycomb and found them pretty much unusuable. I mean, I try a Galaxy Tab 10.1 in the store, and I can't even swipe between pages on the home screen without stutter. And it's running on more powerful hardware than the (at the time) original iPad I had.

Now that I've played with ICS a lot when it came out and am definitely very impressed - ICS fixed a LOT of issues with Android, and even though I like iOS, I can finally say ICS is a worthy competitor to iOS. Jelly Bean makes it even more so.

Now the focus is on the apps - to not look like amateurish pieces of crap. Other than maybe a handful of Android apps (e.g., Dolphin Browser), most Android apps look horrible, and outside of that handful, the ones that look good are that way because they came from iOS.

Re:A nice step forward (4, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545459)

Now the focus is on the apps - to not look like amateurish pieces of crap. Other than maybe a handful of Android apps (e.g., Dolphin Browser), most Android apps look horrible, and outside of that handful, the ones that look good are that way because they came from iOS.

I've got lots of great looking apps on my Galaxy Nexus including AIDE, Aldiko, Amazon Kindle, Analytics, APV PDF Reader, Bank of America, Chrome, ConnectBot, Currents, Drive, Droid DJ, Dropbox, Earth, Elixir, Engadget, Evernote, FBReader, Final Fantasy, Firefox Beta, FPSe, Ghost Commander, gReader, Mass Effect, MoboPlayer, Opera Mini, PicSay, Play Books/Movies/Store, Pulse, ShadowGun, SpeedVIew, TED, Vi Improved Touch, VLC, Voice, and Youtube amongst several more and they all look just great. For reference, I also have an iPad with many apps and as a rule, the iPad apps don't look better. What are you running that looks so bad?

Re:A nice step forward (3, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#40545711)

I have a hard time taking your comment seriously. Besides the fact that your claim the Galaxy Tab can't swipe between pages with without 'stutter' being dubious, even if it did stutter, claiming that this makes the tablet unusable is ridiculous. It comes across like the wannabe video aficionado that declares any TV picture that isn't delivered over $250 Monster HDMI cables to be 'unwatchable'.

Re:A nice step forward (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545413)

So, you abbrev. "Jelly bean" to just "Jelly" and "Samsung" so "Sammy"? I hate you.

Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40544901)

I want to try out this operating system.

Re:Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (3, Informative)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#40544963)

Can I run Android on my PC

Sure [android.com] .

Re:Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (3, Informative)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 2 years ago | (#40544983)


On PC (x86) you can run the free Android SDK which includes an emulator, or use Bluestacks which is an easy to run environment and supports most non graphically intensive apps. A word of warning with both is don't expect native high-end speed. Bluestacks is my recommendation, but even on a nice high end PC things like Netflix are just high speed slideshows.
On PPC you can find a few VM's of older versions but they will be running via emulation an x86 option. I know for a fact that I once was able to get a few running on a G5 Quad, but they were very slow and relied on the outdated VirtualPC for Mac edition.

Re:Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544989)

http://www.android-x86.org/ .

Re:Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (2)

Lt.Hawkins (17467) | about 2 years ago | (#40545255)

Yes. If you get the Android SDK, it comes with a VM - you can run pretty much any version. (its kind of slow, as its running a java VM on a virtual ARM processor on your x86. (Though apparently the latest version is an x86 version - haven't confirmed that yet)

Warning you now though - you're running a touch OS with a mouse. Think about the reaction to Metro that people are giving.

My point is, if you don't like running it in the VM, be aware that its a much better experience on actual hardware.

Re:Can I run Android on my PC or PowerPC mac? (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40546111)

Warning you now though - you're running a touch OS with a mouse.

Nothing whatsoever prevents touch and mouse from working well together, just as mouse and keyboard do. Never mind that Google is a little slow at getting the details right principly because Googlers are not as smart as they think they are. It works passably well now and it will work much better in the future after we work Google over with a cluebat.

Grey on white (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40544919)

Why is grey text on a white background becoming so common?

I look at the Google Now screenshots and it's barely readable...

Re:Grey on white (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545137)

The text in the search bar is light grey as a visual cue that you can touch there and just start typing with out having to delete three contents first. In your layout file you make it with android:hint flag. As far as the rest, I have a galaxy nexus running jelly bean (typing this comment on it) and it is perfectly readable.

Re:Grey on white (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545209)

Just for hints? I don't think so.
http://www.google.com/landing/now/images/card-sports.png
http://www.google.com/landing/now/images/card-flights.png

And I not talking just about android
http://techdows.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/activate-windows-from-metro-interface.png

Re:Grey on white (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545261)

I just pulled up the latest score for the Yankees and Tampa bay game on Google now on my jelly bean galaxy nexus and it is much darker and clearer than your screen shot. I'd suggest using the real thing to base your judgments on.

No mention of new Google Voice Search? (5, Interesting)

Terrasque (796014) | about 2 years ago | (#40544959)

That is one of the things I think looks really interesting.

It also seem to have improved vastly over not only the old version, but also over Apple's Siri.

Some videos of the new function:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLyuWEWqYqQ [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw-RzN4xYyE [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHkhp6BwnGo [youtube.com]

I mean, it's still gimmicky, but it looks like an improvement. But for me it's not gonna be practical until it support my language, Norwegian. How useful is it when it can't understand the norwegian names on my contacts? Or street names? Or store names?

Still, it looks like a really fun toy... *wants*

Re:No mention of new Google Voice Search? (-1, Troll)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 2 years ago | (#40545191)

why should google support a dead language ? Should they support aramaic as well ?

Re:No mention of new Google Voice Search? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545757)

I just tested it today on a Galaxy Nexus running Jellybean and it's awesome, I assure you.
In fact, as a non-native speaker, it understood my English much better than when I tried Siri.

There's a reason Apple is getting scared shitless about Android and I'll tell you that it isn't about the form factor of the devices.

but... (2, Funny)

jsh1972 (1095519) | about 2 years ago | (#40544995)

but can it run itunes?

Re:but... (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 2 years ago | (#40545031)

Um... no. Buy an iOS device if you want that. Nothing wrong with choice-either way.

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545407)

Whoosh.

Re:but... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#40545729)

iOS doesn't run iTunes either. If you want to run iTunes, you have to buy a PC.

Does it even matter? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545049)

The vast majority of Android owners are running OS versions that are woefully out of date. Thus, does it even matter what is in the new version if people will never get it?

Meanwhile, my Windows Phone is up to date and doesn't have any uninstallable crapware, no CarrierIQ spyware, no weekly reports of malware and clickjacking... ...But Slashdot says I should hate my phone because apparently WP7 sucks so I don't know what to think anymore...

Re:Does it even matter? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545187)

How about just enjoy what you have without trolling? I have an HD7 windows phone as well as Android phones and I just like the Android phones better. Especially now that my Galaxy Nexus is running jelly bean and consequently super smooth thereby obliterating the last advantage windows phone has for me.

What I'm really glad with my GNex is that I can expect full updates in the future while my HTC windows phone will never see windows phone 8.

Re:Does it even matter? (0)

Spewns (1599743) | about 2 years ago | (#40545471)

How about just enjoy what you have without trolling?

How is stating a fact trolling? Google's own numbers show ~90% Android users still aren't on 4.0+, and it's been almost nine months since ICS was released. Good luck with your defense though.

Re:Does it even matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545775)

This has been discussed ad nauseum and it still boils down to the same thing. If you want guaranteed updates for the life of your device on Android you get a Nexus. This isn't a secret and pretending like it is is just trolling. Secondly, saying that a new OS doesn't matter because people are still using the old OS is basically bullshit. People will either get JB if their OEM updates them or they will get it when they get a new Android phone that has it. Again, this is not a secret or some conspiracy. It's just a talking point for the trolls. *yawn*

Re:Does it even matter? (3, Interesting)

tftp (111690) | about 2 years ago | (#40546175)

Google's own numbers show ~90% Android users still aren't on 4.0+, and it's been almost nine months since ICS was released.

There are still millions of Windows XP boxes even though Windows 7 is out there for years. Does that indicate that the Windows upgrade process is broken?

Android devices are sold as something a notch below Apple products (at least because it's not Apple.) Android phones cost less, and as result they are sold to customers who just want a phone. There are very few geeks in that crowd. Among geeks there are very few people who want to risk all the data that they have on the phone for sake of upgrade to a new version of the OS that they haven't seen and don't know what it does better or worse. Most people don't even know what they have and what else is out there. I have a Galaxy Tab device; I don't even know what version of Android it runs! I don't even know what versions are out there! Why? Because I don't care. It's not a quest of my life to nurture and maintain the most recent version of Android on a device that does what it needs to do already. I see no point in upgrading it. It's a tool and it works well.

Re:Does it even matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40545295)

How old is the current WP flagship phone? When will the next WP version be released? Will it update?

perception & reality (2, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#40545401)

Jelly Bean forces 60fps throughout and lets the GPU, CPU and display run independently, so it at least feels smoother and more responsive.

What is the difference between feeling "smoother and more responsive" and being "smoother and more responsive"?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm asking seriously.

Re:perception & reality (1)

complete loony (663508) | about 2 years ago | (#40545673)

I think "feeling" is the right adjective here. The point is, hardware that on paper is faster than the competition can "feel" slower than other devices if it doesn't update the UI fast enough when the user does something.

Re:perception & reality (2)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40545713)

I couldn't tell you but I do know this: I have a Galaxy Nexus with the pre-release version of Jelly Bean and my friend has one with ICS on it and mine with JB never stutters on scrolling after the initial view loads whereas my friend's does quite a bit. That's the most appreciated difference for me as stuttery scrolling drives me up the wall. Google nailed it with Jelly Bean. They really did.

Re:perception & reality (5, Interesting)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 2 years ago | (#40545827)

Jelly Bean forces 60fps throughout and lets the GPU, CPU and display run independently, so it at least feels smoother and more responsive.

What is the difference between feeling "smoother and more responsive" and being "smoother and more responsive"?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm asking seriously.

Here is a good example.
A swipe animation that takes 1 second to complete, rendered with 4 frames of animation.
vs
A swipe animation that takes 1.15 seconds to complete, rendered with 30 frames of animation.

The first example will ACTUALLY be more responsive, while the seconds one will FEEL more response to most people.

wireless carriers (1)

Dale512 (1073668) | about 2 years ago | (#40545843)

Maybe in 2-3 years the wireless carriers will even update their software to 4.1. Most phones being sold now still are on 2.3.
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