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Icelandic MP Claims US Vendetta Against WikiLeaks

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the not-paranoia-if-they-actually-are-out-to-get-you dept.

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Stirling Newberry writes "Icelandic MP Birgitta Jónsdóttir details more of the evidence for what she calls a 'judicial vendetta' against WikiLeaks and its volunteers, including attempts to gain access to her Twitter account. Her efforts to block the National Defense Authorization Act were discussed here previously. The story was taken up last year by Glenn Greenwald and Wired. As a result, the International Parliamentarian Union adopted a resolution on her case. What's new? She asserts that there is a grand jury investigation into WikiLeaks and related organizations, and is calling on Sweden to provide assurances that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange not be re-extradited to the U.S. She says, 'There is no doubt that the U.S. wants to get even with WikiLeaks.'"

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seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545321)

they only feed the fire by going after him

the "damage" assange did is done, and there's no way you can hide what has been revealed

just forget about him. move on

because all the efforts the USA goes through just feeds the myth and makes the man a hero, deservedly or not

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545393)

And what exactly has he revealed? Only 6% of the leaked documents were classified as secret and usually for good reasons. Meanwhile Manning will be in jail probably for the rest of his life, and Assange will be made an example of sooner or later. Martyr?! That's a joke.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545579)

How about:
-Evidence of US soldiers murdering civilians
-How the US was lying about keeping track of "collateral damage"
-Proof of how the US gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait
I'm too lazy to find links for those examples, but google should get them quickly enough.

There are many more examples, but the point is that while previously people only had suspicions about the US's wrongdoing, now there's evidence. That's the first step in doing anything about it. The cables I'm sure have also had repercussions diplomatically, what with all the cases of US ambassadors lying through their teeth. The leaks have also taken away a lot of the US's credibility, which will probably impact them strongly in the future, especially with regards to situations like Iran, and whatnot.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547673)

How about:
-Proof of how the US gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait

How about you put down the crack pipe and go back to posting 911 conspiracies on rense.com instead of posting your bullshit here at slashdot?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

brit74 (831798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547775)

> Proof of how the US gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait

First, I didn't realize that the US-Iraq conversations, pre-1991 invasion of Kuwait was part of what Assange or Manning had in their documents. Second, it's highly misleading to say that the US gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait. The worst you can say is that the US didn't tell Iraq that they would counterattack if Saddam invaded Kuwait. More specifically, the US said it didn't have an opinion on the Iraq-Kuwait oil disputes (both countries were drawing from some of the same oil reservoirs, and were having a dispute over it). When you say the US "gave Saddam a green-light to invade Kuwait" you make it sound like the US was all "yeah, buddy, go ahead and invade Kuwait" when that's not at all what happened.

Perhaps (1)

WinstonWolfIT (1550079) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548047)

But if so, how much of this 'proof' was surprising, really, to anyone including Americans. In a cynical age, even if 4th tier diplomats seem to corroborate a conspiracy theory, is it really that credible in a world of infinite possibilities?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548179)

That's the first step in doing anything about it.

Doing what? There have been no substantive proposals for changes in policy, nor have there been any significant policy changes in the aftermath of Wikileaks AFAIK. And there haven't been any changes for the simple reason that what Wikileaks "revealed" was nothing new or surprising.

The cables I'm sure have also had repercussions diplomatically, what with all the cases of US ambassadors lying through their teeth.

Yes, because it would be so much better if US diplomats were, you know, undiplomatic. Maybe they should just walk up to heads of state and say things like "you are a moron and your wife looks like a cow". How about it?

The leaks have also taken away a lot of the US's credibility, which will probably impact them strongly in the future, especially with regards to situations like Iran, and whatnot.

Doesn't seem to have had much of an effect:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146771/worldwide-approval-leadership-tops-major-powers.aspx [gallup.com]

They had to publish all (4, Insightful)

F69631 (2421974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545635)

Sure, most of the documents weren't important and some that were should probably have stayed secret... but that means they would've had to cherry pick which documents to publish. If they'd have cherry picked, people would have said "You obviously have some agenda, as you cherry pick documents that present [entity we like] in a bad light".

Also, by publishing everything they allow people to analyze not only what there was but also what wasn't there.

Also, there is no way that they would've been able to know what documents were important and what not. In some countries the press cross-checked the leaked stuff with their politicians' negotiations and foreign trips, saw if their politicians' public statements matched the data found in documents, etc... but there is no way that Assange or even some major newspaper would've been able to do that all alone.

So... yeah. I am not in the "everything government/officials do should be public" camp as I think officials should be able to do their work and have honest exchanges between each other without the press being able to take quotes out of context to produce artificial scandals... but I don't think that saying "Only x% of the published documents were important" is that good argument.

Re:They had to publish all (2, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546225)

Before Assange went rogue, the policy of Wikileaks was to only publish material where secrecy had been misused to cover up for bad things. That's a clear policy, and any organisation accusing them of cherrypicking is free to publish the context.
Yes, that would have meant going over all the stuff which would have taken years, and Assange didn't have the patience for that. But if he did, the papers would have had to concentrate on the truly important parts, and maybe Wikileaks wouldn't be bankrupt today.
This releasing everything philosophy have hurted the privacy of many, and is morally questionable.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545721)

I thing the biggest thing he revealed was how mundane most information truly was.. and how out of control the US 'classified by default' culture has become.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

catmistake (814204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546005)

I thing the biggest thing he revealed was how mundane most information truly was.. and how out of control the US 'classified by default' culture has become.

Well... something about some of the information sparked revolution in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya... you'd think the US would want to give Assange a medal for helping to accomplish what the secrets agencies of the West could not. And it would be great if all the US wanted was to extradite him... because the US has no legal standing to do so... is everyone forgetting about extraordinary rendition? That's what would be keeping me up nights... a bag over the head and a Polish vacation.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40548269)

Well... something about some of the information sparked revolution in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya...

That's simplistic and untrue. Revolution in those countries had complex causes but it had a lot more to do with changing demographics, the rising cost of food, and longterm repression than diplomatic cables which broadly just stated the unpalatable truth about those countries and their leaders. They may have had some small impact but there is no way these revolutions were triggered by the diplomatic cables alone. The US provided support over a long period for Egypt and their military, so I doubt they were pleased when Mubarak was overthrown.

Bullshit. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40548277)

Libya was a CIA-led coup. Case closed.
Egypt, the jury is still out on that.
Syria? You bet your ass we've been arming the rebels, just like in Libya.
Iran, Panama, Guatemala, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. We have a long history of doing this and many times are successful.

And guess what, now we've taken the Iranian MFK off the terrorist watch list, because they want our support to take out the new Iranian government (which the MFK did with a great amount of lobbying and pressure of US lawmakers).

It's far easier to secretly arm an opposing faction and let a country's citizens kill each other than bring in our own troops. We simply don't give a shit, and anything that the side we oppose does, we make sure to get those atrocities televised ASAP.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Informative)

InspectorGadget1964 (2439148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546813)

A video that shows how crew of an US helicopter assassinated people is far from "mundane"

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1, Troll)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547429)

You sure have an odd idea of the meaning of the word 'assassinate'.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Insightful)

InspectorGadget1964 (2439148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547925)

If you are killing unarmed civilians and claiming a camera is a weapon, you are committing an assassination. Any questions about that?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545869)

How about:

The assessment that the Egyptian military would side with the people if there were a revolution.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546701)

Wikileaks was doing just fine keeping the *real* secrets hidden until a rogue media outlet spilled everything.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546705)

Because of the leaks, I know who's bidding we'll be doing when we go to war with Iran.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545397)

Nonsense.

I'd bet most people don't even know who he is.
Of those who know who he is, I'd bet most think he is a rapist.
Of those who don't think he is a rapist, many will be okay with using fake charges to get him into U.S. custody via Sweden.

The only people for whom he will be a martyr are those for whom the message "we will get you" is being sent.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545429)

The only people for whom he will be a martyr are those for whom the message "we will get you" is being sent.

Even if that were true, wouldn't that be exactly the opposite of the point of trying to send that message?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

oldredlion (1663421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545431)

Of those who know who he is, I'd bet most think he is a rapist.

I think that's the reason they pushed the women to bring charges - to discredit him.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545755)

Just like that doctor who pushed fake vaccinations to find Bin Laden.. this is a classic example of where real behaviors can come back to haunt an organization. People might claim that is just a conspiracy theory that our own government would fake rape charges to discredit someone, but is exactly the type of thing the state department used to do in order to fix elections in 3rd world countries that we had economic ties to. Thus it is impossible to tell if he is actually guilty, or it is just the US government using an old (but disavowed) technique to influence public opinion on a persion... and it will probably take 100 years for the documents to be published...

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546387)

So is your argument that because the US government has done crappy stuff in the past, that anyone the US government doesn't like should get a get-out-of-jail-card "just in case" and not have to stand trial even for serious charges?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Insightful)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546607)

Nonsense. What he's pointing out is that various members of the US government are willing to sacrifice the farm for a cow, and should be taken out back and summarily executed.

The price of finding OBL, or rather, in conducting this vaccination ruse, is already being paid; the global attempt to annihilate Polio is now in jeopardy because of it. If the history of botched American relations is anything to go by, this will come back to... inconvenience us at an ill-fated moment. And on behalf of those Americans who will be paying the price for this act of stupidity, I wish to salute all those involved for their dedication to promoting idiocy.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2, Insightful)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547509)

Complete Nonsense. Islamics in both Nigeria and Pakistan were making up all sorts of BS before the fake vaccination program to dissuade their followers from participating in the vaccine program. With success leading to continuing polio outbreaks well before OBL's death.

They are the only ones responsible.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40548145)

"They are the only ones responsible."
biased much ? because of USA's bravado, the doctor's identity was released and how they supposedly trapped osama. now, everyone thinks suspiciously of these NGOs who help the tribals, since there are many more hiding in that belt. the whole humanitarian situation is now grim. everyone cites how these "US infidels" infiltrated them. definitely has acquired a xenophobic color thanks to osama campaign. if USa was slightly more careful to keep the operation in wraps instead of gloat.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Insightful)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548223)

Because of the US Govt's abuse of the polio vaccination service, every NGO representative worldwide is going to be viewed as a spy for the US by anyone with half a brain. This is going to severely limit their ability to try to help people in the third world.

It doesn't make any difference that the Islamist groups out there were already suspicious of NGO reps - the US went and confirmed their suspicions completely. This will only serve to make some people think the Islamists are right in other things they say. We should not be doing things to make them look more credible :(

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2, Interesting)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545531)

The only people for whom he will be a martyr are those for whom the message "we will get you" is being sent.
 
Such as the Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir who used to be an activist working for Wikileaks, something you think an honest summary would mention.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545653)

The only people for whom he will be a martyr are those for whom the message "we will get you" is being sent.

Such as the Icelandic MP Birgitta Jonsdottir who used to be an activist working for Wikileaks, something you think an honest summary would mention.

are you suggesting she likes it without rubber?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547095)

are you suggesting she likes it without rubber?

She's Icelandic.......she likes it with blubber.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545801)

You posted the other day against Assange. Obviously you have an agenda, I may have one, too. But I'm not being paid. Are you?

Now, the US are in fact inverting History by demanding and getting a non-national to be extradited (that TV site guy from England). This is even more significant on the 4th of July. Do you thing the founding fathers (the ones who gave their blood) wanted it that way?

And the reasons? The reasons for all that? Oil and the mythical beast called "intellectual property" -- as if one could be entitled to own any idea. Did you see the voting against ACTA on Europe? 478 to 39. Let me translate for you: that's the way you say, on political terms, "no fscking way, now go home".

You are your country now. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and all the ol' good guys did their part and risked their lives. Were things different and they would be hung up. It was not just risky, it was noble -- even today I cannot explain to sheepish idiots why having Freedom is important. Just imagine what it was back then.

And then, now, you get fine Politicians who do what we have seen in these last 15 or so years and people post here "many will be okay with using fake charges to get him into U.S. custody via Sweden". And guess what? I bet they're nodding and saying "Yeah", just like you (probably).

The USA has been a great country and deserved better people than the ones it got nowadays.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545575)

I'd bet most people don't even know who he is. Of those who know who he is, I'd bet most think he is a rapist.

I'll agree with your first point (though most people know of "that Wikileaks guy", and some vague notion that the government has tried to frame him for something-or-other); On your second point, I have yet to meet a non-feminist who doesn't consider this a blatant attempt to destroy a random guy's life for embarrassing the US government.

Assange may count as the worst sort of scum. I have 100% confidence he has no shot whatsoever at ever getting anything even remotely resembling a fair trial, either in Sweden or in the US.

I only hope "we" let him go down in a Swedish court rather than one of our sham anti-terrorism tribunals - They have a hell of a lot nicer prisons than we do.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545651)

Nonsense.

I'd bet most people don't even know who he is.

Most people I know (in the US) have never listened to anything he himself has said, they just parrot the MSM.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545519)

It's pretty obvious what crimes he committed, he's not even denying it. However, he'll get a trial anyway because that's how the law works here. You prosecute people who have broken the law and put them in jail (or execute them if that's the appropriate punishment) if they are found guilty. What you don't do is say, oh.. you avoided arrest for a long time, it's ok now - we'll turn the other cheek. In part to punish the perpetrator, and in part to dissuade others from committing similar crimes.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2)

mean pun (717227) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545815)

It's pretty obvious what crimes he committed, he's not even denying it.

Exactly what crimes are you talking about? The rape charges he denies, and leaking secret US documents is not a crime for an Australian citizen.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547407)

It's pretty obvious Assange collaborated with Manning to steal secret documents.

That's a crime for sure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/prosecutors-say-manning-and-assange-collaborated-in-stealing-secret-documents/2011/12/22/gIQARwAXCP_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (5, Interesting)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548049)

It's pretty obvious Assange collaborated with Manning to steal secret documents.

That's a crime for sure.

For Manning, who was under US jurisdiction, sure.
For Assange, who wasn't, which law, exactly did he break in this instance, under which jurisdiction?

I know it's a right-wing American dream that US law applies to non-Americans outside the US, while US citizens are not subject to any other country's laws. It's time to wake up, because that is just a dream. In the real world, if the US wants its laws to be recognized, the US has to also recognize the law of other countries. Even when it lets people walk free.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545541)

The whole concept of the martyr is overrated. People like to bring up Jesus Christ forgetting that it was the official adoption of the religion by the empire that actually brought it to power.

Simply going after someone and being fairly relentless about it has a long history of success.

As to whether this is moral or just... that's a different argument. But this is having a chilling effect and many people that might otherwise want to play this game choosing otherwise.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (-1, Troll)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545565)

Yeah. He sure showed those informants he outted. They're dead and buried in the ground, he sure is a martyr! Quite the hero and all that, he not only put innocent lives at risk, but he managed to put the lives of people who weren't at risk, in risk.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

jythie (914043) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545847)

Yeah.. pity no such thing has happened. It was an effective piece of misinformation, but did not pan out in reality. It did give them a good excuse to discount things that actually mattered though, like the evidence the State Department made the Washington Post cover up the child prostitution stuff. But hey, what are little boys being bought with US money to pay off locals when we can claim lives were in danger. Mythological threats are so much more powerful of weapons then real ones...

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546209)

Yeah...

Pity it did...
http://bit.ly/PfUDtQ [bit.ly]

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

Falconhell (1289630) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546371)

Pity none of those links shows anyone actually being killed. Did you fail reading comprehension?

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546551)

What you want corpses? Gee, I guess the standards of the modern left are different from everyone else. I'll have to remember that for next time.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547413)

How about, instead of linking to a fucking Google search, you actually use logic, reason, and evidence to back up your claims directly, instead of making the other side look for evidence to prove your case. If you don't do this, then, on the debate stage, you are effectively admitting that you don't have any evidence to back up your argument but that you believe it nonetheless. Ignoring the obvious religious implications of that, that is a fairly horrible thing to do, because if you truly believe things without evidence, then you can be easily manipulated into believing in plenty of crazy things for which no evidence exists because those things are false on their face.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545581)

...they only feed the fire by going after him...

No, they're doing a very good job of distracting people from digging for any real info in all the chaff.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545645)

Overall, his persecution in the US would probably be overwhelmingly seen as a good thing.

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (2)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545663)

Martyr only happens when people care and rally behind the cause. But if everyone sees what happens and doesn't want to end up executed for sharing documents, they'll keep quiet. If it's a better deterrent than rally cry, then the US comes out ahead.

no, completely wrong (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548241)

the essence of martyrdom is that the martyr suffer. there is no such thing as a martyr who hasn't suffered for a cause. everyone sees them suffer, and this inspires them to suffer for the cause as well. previously ambivalent sympathisers now become active participants

that's the psychology in play here

so if you don't want to inspire martyrdom, you don't create martyrs, you don't torture them or make them suffer

you let them get off unharmed, and they fade away, uninspirational and unimportant

the process you are describing doesn't seem to understand how martyrdom works. you are describing how simple fear of brutality works. but martyrdom transcends fear of repercussions. you are sacrificing in the name of a cause

i'm not saying what is going to happen with assange, but if he inspires martyrdom, it means people will be more willing to pass info to wikileaks, participate in it, and otherwise support it, because they seem him as a continuing victim and feel his cause is worthy of their own sacrifice as well. so the USA should just ignore him and forget him, if they had any understanding of the psychology in play here. it's not like prosecuting him will return anything, all the damage has been done

martyrdom is the inversion of the self-protection mechanism. it is about sacrificing yourself in order to protect something else: a cause. your words seem fixated on self-protection as the dominant instinct in play, when in fact martyrdom is about the exact opposite instinct in play: the subversion of the self to something seen as a greater cause, something more worthy than protecting the self

Re:seriously, the USA is just making a martyr (1)

boarder8925 (714555) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546497)

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

what exactly do you want the US to stop doing? (0)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548063)

What exactly are you saying the US should stop doing? There is no indictment, no legal charges, no extradition request. So far, it's just Assange fantasizing about all the bad things the US will do to him, and then his followers getting upset about his fantasies.

Having said that, I see nothing wrong with Assange facing a court of law in the US; a court is the proper place to resolve the question of whether he violated US law or not.

Re:what exactly do you want the US to stop doing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40548217)

Having said that, I see nothing wrong with Assange facing a court of law in the US; a court is the proper place to resolve the question of whether he violated US law or not.

Yeah unless you count:

1) He wasn't in the US when those crimes against US law were commited
2) He is not an US citizen
=> which leads to
3) There is no US court that can legally claim jurisdiction for such a case

But hey what does US law care about legality.

America lives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545345)

in the 1950's and everyone knows everything, except of course the US government...
you're 20 years behind europe and 10 years behind china on everything from technology to freedom...

Critical Analysis (1)

trdtaylor (2664195) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545353)

duh.

Iceland (5, Funny)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545369)

Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

Re:Iceland (1)

Svippy (876087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545483)

We already tried to give you Iceland. But you did not want it. And I don't blame you for that.

Re:Iceland (3, Interesting)

Rei (128717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546357)

Don't know who "we" and "you" are in this post, but Iceland is awesome. Freaking beautiful landscape, freaking beautiful skyscapes, super-creative population, great food, no summer heat, surprisingly mild winters (warmer than NYC, for example), virtually no pollution, great infrastructure compared to the population density, virtually no crowds, awesome music and party scene, a well educated and generally non-bigoted populace, clean energy, abundant volcanic hot water delivered straight to the home, etc. I love my adoptive country. :)

Re:Iceland (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547117)

Don't know who "we" and "you" are in this post, but Iceland is awesome. Freaking beautiful landscape, freaking beautiful skyscapes, super-creative population, ...

and bjork came and fucked it all up.

Re:Iceland (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547139)

And kill whales. Let's not forget they eat whale there.

Re:Iceland (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547357)

I've been to both Iceland and Hawaii.

If I was going to live in either I'd choose Hawaii. Much warmer, 4 times the population and much more to see and do.

Ultimately though it's still small and boring after a few weeks.

Re:Iceland (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546157)

Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

Conan Obrien was willing to take on Finland, Iceland could be next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PAURdVu0zo [youtube.com]

Julian Assange interview: Why the world needs WikiLeaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGqE726OAo&feature=relmfu [youtube.com]

Following the arrest and imprisonment of WikiLeaks editor-in-chief, Julian Assange, his lawyer, Mark Stephens, discusses the case against him and the impact of the whistle-blowing website on world politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duh7eSBnVZE&feature=relmfu [youtube.com]

The WikiLeaks founder talks about secrets, leaks and why he will not go back to Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mcSXge4Qo&feature=related [youtube.com]

He's done a tv show for a season. Here an episode on: Cyber threats, hacker attacks and laws officially aiming to tackle internet piracy, but in fact infringing people's rights to online privacy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eil_1j72LOA&feature=relmfu [youtube.com]

Re:Iceland (5, Insightful)

Rei (128717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546301)

Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

Judging from the US embassy here, you'd think the US already did ;) It's the most paranoid place in the country. Concrete barriers in the front, armed security guards (even *pepper spray* is illegal here, the police don't even carry it**), etc. You could take all the pictures you want with a telephoto lens of any Icelandic government building, coast guard ships, etc, but if you snap a cell phone camera picture on the same street of the embassy and don't hightail it out of there, you'll be approached by the guards and they won't be happy. The embassy got in trouble about six months back for spying on all the homes and businesses in a several block radius.

As for the concept of a Wikileaks person being in parliament, don't be shocked. Members of the Al(th)ing are mostly pretty walk-of-life people. Everyone here is connected anyway and it's all pretty casual. On 1st may, for example, I walked right into a Samfylkingin meeting from off the street and sat down a couple tables over from the prime minister (could have sat closer if I wanted to). And there were little kids running around in the room playing. People take "celebrity" and "status" in stride. The joke here is, what does an Icelander do if he sees someone famous on the street? He walks up to them and asks them if they wants *his* autograph. ;)

Oh, and Slashdot? It's not 1992; implement proper unicode support already so that I can type a proper thorn.

** - Not only is pepper spray illegal, but tear gas has been used just twice in the history of the country. And people here talk about it like using it was the greatest war crime imaginable ;)

Re:Iceland (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547619)

Forget Wikileaks. Let's invade Iceland.

There is no oil is Iceland.

Rome (5, Insightful)

damicatz (711271) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545373)

The US is like the modern day Roman Empire. Eventually, the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied by the US and stand up.

Re:Rome (2, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545411)

That's an interesting alternative history of the fall of the Roman Empire. What science fiction book is it from?

Re:Rome (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545451)

Roman history in science fiction? And yeah, pigs fly.

Re:Rome (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545475)

That's an interesting alternative history of the fall of the Roman Empire. What science fiction book is it from?

'The Rise and Subsequent Punch to the Face of the Roman Empire'

'Screw that Psycho-History Bullpies, Lets Shoot People'

and uh

'The Back-Of-The-Hand of Darkness'

Re:Rome (1)

Svippy (876087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545505)

Yeah, all those tribes sure loved the Romans! I guess that's why they migrated into the Roman lands. And killed a lot of Romans.

But yeah; the comparison with the US is inaccurate.

Re:Rome (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547255)

Actually, that's why they migrated into Roman lands. They wanted to become Romans. Rome was seen as wealthy and prosperous, even late in it's existence. Many of the invasions were of large groups that were tired of being kept on the margins. They decided to force their way into Rome.

A great analogy I heard once compared the barbarian hordes invading Rome to Okies invading California.

Re:Rome (-1, Troll)

Falconhell (1289630) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546341)

With an idiotic sig like that anything you write is not worth reading.

Re:Rome (3, Informative)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545491)

Weird, I didn't know "the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied [...] and stand up" was synonymous with "fragment under it's own mass and economically stagnate when a system hinged on continual expansion and conquest is halted, eventually being broken by displaced tribes to the north who were themselves being pushed out by a stronger expansionistic empire, although one major fragment survived for hundreds more years before finally being conquered by yet another expansionistic empire".

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545605)

> "fragment under it's own mass and economically stagnate when a system hinged on continual expansion and conquest is halted, eventually being broken by displaced tribes to the north who were themselves being pushed out by a stronger expansionistic empire, although one major fragment survived for hundreds more years before finally being conquered by yet another expansionistic empire".

That sounds like a viable end to the US. Your economy is already faltering under the weight of you perpetual wars against imaginary enemies that are really meant to imprison your own populace. I doubt that Canada will be able to successfully invade after it is taken over by China though, so only one minor change is required to your analogy.

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545853)

I agree... And if one would draw a parallel it would probably have to that US dependence on economical growth, is similar to the Roman empires dependence on continued expansion...

  Anyways, the rest of the modern world is just as dependent on economical growth as the US :)

If anything, the results of this will be that US lead coalitions will have a hard time finding support in many European countries. I for sure wouldn't vote for someone who would involve my country in the next lie that was Iraq...

Re:Rome (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545611)

Or we find out everyone in the US has been drinking lead-tainted water.

And that's when the barbarians show up...

Re:Rome (4, Funny)

Falconhell (1289630) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546315)

Only difference is the Romans had a period of civilisation between their rise and fall, the US didnt.

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546363)

The US is like the modern day Roman Empire. Eventually, the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied by the US and stand up.

It was funnier when eddie izard said it in his standup years ago. And was more entertaining in the other dozen or sources from books to tv shows where the exact same remark has been made.

Thats just lazy quoting of comments that arent true or accurate at all. The US is nothing like the roman empire at all. Saying so is just a passing comment that people latch onto and spew out every time they get a chance because in their head it sounds really good. So if youre going to just copy something atleast make sure its insightful and not just another mindless remark.

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546423)

I sure wish people like you would learn about history before saying stupid things. The world would be a better place.

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546477)

Rome fell from a combination of exterior and internal pressure, both are growing against the US. For Jesus Christ they are killing people regularly by Airstrikes in Pakistan, what do the think it's the west bank?

Re:Rome (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546507)

The US is like the modern day Roman Empire. Eventually, the rest of the world will get tired of being bullied by the US and stand up.

The Western Empire had a 500 year run.

The Eastern Empire survived and prospered for the better part of 1,000 years after that.

Iceland has a population of 320,000. The Iceland parliament 63 members. That implies that each member of parliament represents about 5,000 people --- about the size of an upstate suburban township in New York.

There is no guarantee that the European Union will survive the year in its present form.

Re:Rome (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546667)

Eventually the USA will run out of money and be purchased by China. Macarthur was RIGHT! The commies will take over the USA! (but they will do it using capitalism)

Re:Rome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547009)

This is what happens when you let dumb asses online.

Whoever your mother is, tell her to put you back in the basement.

Re:Rome (1)

dan828 (753380) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548117)

The US is more like Rome in the late of the late Republic at this stage.

long past time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545409)

It's long past time for other countries to sever all cooperation with the USA. Legal, on copyright matters, military, or in ANY other way, until the USA can exist within the world community of civilized countries and stop trying to get in everybody elses face.

ONE WORD : ICELAND !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545417)

Says it all !!

Which is to say, nothing at all !!

Byork you, man, byork you !!

Re:ONE WORD : ICELAND !! (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40546373)

Strange choice of spelling of Björk. It's not even a transliteration designed to get the pronunciation right; that'd be something like "Byerk". And if you wanted to have English cursing written in Icelandic, the correct way to write it would be "fökk". A word that's used not so rarely by Icelanders ;)

Re:ONE WORD : ICELAND !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546791)

Amazing anyone even plays tennis up there, what with nothing but ice and all. Not as weird as Eyvonne Ghoulighan but up there. What is his first name again?

Preposterous! (3, Insightful)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545463)

There is no secret grand jury investigation! I dare you to find the documentation! Besides, there's no place on the Internet where anyone could publish such a damning LEAK! No news site, message board, not even any sort of WIKI.

Re:Preposterous! (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548293)

People are afraid to publish it, so going after Wikileaks seems to be working.

Dear British Trolls: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40545525)

Your whining on youtube and slashdot doesn't accomplish anything. That is all...

Wikileaks... Hmm let's see (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545543)

What have they given us... Oh yes.. Anna Nicole Smith was working for the CIA [guardian.co.uk] !

International Parliamentarian Union?? (1, Troll)

Nutria (679911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545657)

I'm pretty aware for an American, but this is the first time I've heard of the IPU. How much less relevant, then, than the UN?

Of course it's a vendetta (5, Insightful)

quixote9 (999874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40545891)

News organizations do the exact same thing -- find sources and publish their stories -- and you don't see the US gov going after the Guardian or the NYTimes. (They're some of the news outlets that did the actual publishing. Wikileaks worked through them precisely because they were trying NOT to endanger people on the ground.) The US can't go after news outlets. There's this little thing called the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech.

But by de facto torture of Manning and by making an example of Assange (they hope, if they can get their hands on him) they figure they can "discourage" repeat embarrassments.

Because that's all they are: embarrassed. I didn't see anything come out we didn't already know. All Wikileaks did was provide hard evidence of the obvious.

Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546021)

Barak Obama masturbates on the hour each by concentrating on a photo of Assange. A staggering feat.

Do these acts implicate Obama as Gay?

Will Obama 'Come Out' in October?

Stay Tuned.

LoL

Re:Indeed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40546403)

Is there any pathetic bullshit right wing racists wont say to try and discredit Mr Obama? Probably not, just being right wing defines you as a moron.

Re:Indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40547643)

where's the racism in the gp? oh right, leftists think any criticism of non white people is 'racism' while preaching white-hate is empowerment.. you lefties aren't any more intelligent. you just commandeer bastions of intellect to make your idiotic ideology seem correct.. kinda what right wingers do with religion...

you're all morons.

Goes both ways (1, Insightful)

brit74 (831798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547813)

To be fair, it's pretty clear that Assange has a vendetta against the US, as well. He takes the view that the US is a big bully and has made statements about being on a mission to stop "two wars" (i.e. the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan). It's pretty clear that he was intending to use the documents to drive the US into retreat using the leaked documents as a weapon. (No word on why he thinks the Taliban would make great rulers over Afghanistan.)

Re:Goes both ways (4, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#40547957)

He takes the view that the US is a big bully

He and the other 5,650,000,000 people.

and has made statements about being on a mission to stop "two wars" (i.e. the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan)

Why would that be illegal? Publishing US secrets was not a crime for Assange because he haven't signed on the dotted line. Manning did, and he is being punished for that.

mod doWn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40548103)

you can. No, and helP us!

get real (0)

khipu (2511498) | more than 2 years ago | (#40548325)

So, Birgitta Jonsdottir thinks its OK to use the US legal system when it suits her political ends, but the mere possibility that the US legal system might charge her with something if she violates US law gets her panties in a knot. I think she's a hypocrite.

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