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Credible Reports of a 7.85 Inch iPad Mini Emerge

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the betting-against-december-26th-launch-date dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from Network World: "For months now, rumors of an iPad with a 7.85-inch screen have been circulating through the blogosphere. And though Steve Jobs once said that 7-inch tablets are 'dead on arrival,' the relative success of the Amazon Kindle Fire and other smaller tablets suggests that consumers are more than willing to accept a smaller screen size in exchange for a cheaper buy-in point. Indeed, you might remember that Apple CEO Tim Cook recently said that Apple saw a tremendous uptick in overall iPad sales once it lowered the price of the iPad 2 down to $399. That said, a chorus of credible reports over the past few days have all claimed that Apple is currently working on a slimmed down iPad and that it may be set for release as early as this Fall."

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Steve Jobs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552733)

only has a little one.

Aspect Ratio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552741)

I wonder if it will have the same aspect ratio as the iPhone, or the iPad.

I can't imagine them setting up yet a new aspect ratio for developers to have to deal with.

The only real answer: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552747)

Poor people need to die. No welfare, no medicaid, no food stamps. Just forced labor followed by swift justice of death. We could solve so many of the problems of crime and resource overutilization we have in this country if we just used Darwin's law of strongest survive.

Re:The only real answer: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552809)

make it legal to kill fucks like you and i might just get on board with this Darwin thingy.

Re:The only real answer: (1, Offtopic)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554079)

Ironically enough it's only through humanity's disconnect from nature's usual evolutionary pressures brought about by "advanced" civilizations that these social darwinists are able to survive. If Darwin really had his way, selfish individuals would be pushed out of / leave the tribe and be promptly eaten by predators. But now that we respect their individual rights and don't rely on safety in numbers, they live long, happy lives masturbating to Ayn Rand and ranting at the rest of us.

Re:The only real answer: (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553287)

Not to feed the trolls, but where does this idea that monetary wealth = strength come from? I'd put Billy Gates' fortune against mine that in a one-on-one deathmatch, I'd eat that scrawny fuck for lunch.

Re:The only real answer: (4, Informative)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553733)

> Not to feed the trolls, but where does this idea that monetary wealth = strength come from?

Probably because monetary wealth == power == strength.

> I'd put Billy Gates' fortune against mine that in a one-on-one deathmatch, I'd eat that scrawny fuck for lunch.

That is silly. Billy's wealth counts as much as your gym time or you weapons collection when comparing survival fitness. So pit your pitiful physical strength and possible sidearm against his legion of doom in a deathmatch and see how well you fare. You probably wouldn't even get past the zero level minions at the front gate.

Now a little less silly and more snarky. His monetary wealth represents the labor and assets of a billion or so people willingly traded for his. That is real, and it has value. The better question is who is more of an asset to the species and our civilization. You or Gates in a reality show faceoff to justify your existence to the studio audence and the loser gets deleted from the genepool. Who would the audience keep? Hell, who would be considered the more attractive mate? Should I continue to attack your very existence or have I made the point yet? Being able to physically beat somebody up hasn't mattered all that much since Sam Colt... or more bluntly, since junior high.

Re:The only real answer: (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554123)

His monetary wealth represents the labor and assets of a billion or so people willingly traded for his.

For certain values of "willingly"...

Re:The only real answer: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554415)

His monetary wealth represents the labor and assets of a billion or so people willingly traded for his.

For certain values of "willingly"...

Ok fine, where "willingly" >= "no gun to head"...

Are they copying Samsung's IP (3, Insightful)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552759)

Or do they have different shaped corners than the Samsung models?
Cause really, what they need is more lawyers involved. its legal stimulus in a crappy economy.

Re:Are they copying Samsung's IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552819)

I think they may have it shaped more like "The Pyramid" from The Office.

Apple better not get rid of the Home button (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553053)

Because Android was there first. Samsung ICS devices have no home button.

Re:Apple better not get rid of the Home button (1)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553845)

Uhh, no. Galaxy Nexus doesn't have one. Rest of the Galaxy line has, like the recent S3.

Re:Are they copying Samsung's IP (1)

camperslo (704715) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554369)

Or do they have different shaped corners than the Samsung models?

Regardless, there many be some people who choose to suspend buying Samsung or other South Korean products now that the country has announced that they'll be doing "research" whaling. (Of course they should be told why business is going elsewhere) Calling it research whaling exploits a loophole to engage in a banned practice.

I don't suppose political researchers use harpoons? They can end up traveling to places like the Cayman Islands though.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts [vanityfair.com]

Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (2)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552771)

Nano's not as good as an Ipod touch, but Apple sometimes sees the utility in going for the lower end market.

If Apple brings a 7-inch pad to market that outperforms Fire and Nexus 7 I'd be interested.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553075)

I'd guess an 8" tablet would have to be $300. Argument for it over the Nexus and Fire is "larger screen" and "access to the best apps through itunes, blah blah blah".

iPod Touch starts at $200.
iPad Mini starting at $300.
iPad 2 starting at $400.

Plugs the hole, fields a device to stop any potential competitor's beachhead in tablets, and they still get the premium over the alternatives.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (2)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553125)

What measure of performance are you interested in? Whetstone? Dhrystone? Linpack?

Does anything other than the software library really matter? Assuming it hits the same $200 price point that Google and Amazon have hit, then the iPad wins hands-down.

I ordered a Nexus 7 because, at $200, I'm not risking much. If the iPad Mini comes in at $200, it will easily own the 7" market.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553195)

", then the iPad wins hands-down."

Why would the less diverse library win?

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (3, Interesting)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553921)

I'm speaking about normal people who account for most tablet computer sales. Slashdot readers may find the RIM Playbook / Windows Surface / Kindle Fire / other Android tablet to be have a more compelling software library and that will make those tablets a better buy.

I have both iOS and Android devices in my house and the holes in the Android library (for normal users) are slowly being filled, but app quality still lags. For now, I still can't recommend anything other than an iPad to people who ask me what they should get.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554367)

Slashdot readers may find the RIM Playbook / Windows Surface / Kindle Fire / other Android tablet to have a more compelling software library and that will make those tablets a better buy.

Then Slashdot readers are living on another planet. Given that the iOS app library 1) is a couple of orders of magnitude larger than all of those others combined; 2) has no major holes relative to the other offerings; 3) has numerous apps--nay, entire app categories in some cases--that the others don't; 4) is price competitive (including vastly more high quality free apps); and 5) is curated to keep the buggiest, most useless, security threatening malware and crap out... ...by what possible standard could anyone find any of the others to have a more compelling software library?

Here's an opportunity--please name the killer apps that exist on those platforms but don't on iOS that by themselves justify buying something other than an iPad. Because let's face it--the number of rational reasons to pick a Playbook/Surface/Fire over an iPad (aside from watching porn) are small and would largely vanish in the face of a 7-inch, price competitive iPad.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553255)

An Ipad mini needs to be ~ $200-225. If they get too close to $250-275 there are 10 inch screens that begin to compete.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553905)

Not really, they could go $250 for 8gb easy. iPod Touch is $199. 32gb jumps to $299? 64gb is $399 WTF? No pocket device is worth that now.

The market for 7" Apple tablets are people that already have Macs or IPhones and want additional, cheaper devices. Apple can easily grab a premium because you would be buying one to leverage your existing iPhone/touch/iPad apps... I'm pushing $300-$500 in Apps over the last 2 years easily. Apple got 30% of that. They don't want me repurchasing my apps for Android!

Apple won't EVER SUBSIDIZE devices. But they don't have to make "as much" profit if it keeps other streams flowing nicely.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554063)

That implies that 10" is better. I have a 10" tablet. I am likely going to get the Nexus 7". When we got a Fire for my wife, we found that while the 10" is dandy for around the house, the 7" is way better if you actually want to take it with you.

I agree on the price point, but for a different reason. Apple would need to hit the $200-$225 price point because the iPad isn't better than a decent Android tablet. If they get too high above the price of the Kindle or the Nexus, most people won't buy it. They would have think long and hard before going lower than $200 because that could erode their "premium" branding.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553189)

Yeah, I've actually been holding out hoping for a smaller iPad. It's not about money - I just prefer the smaller size. And, having used various iOS and Android devices (mostly phones, but stiill) - I decided I wasn't interested in the Android options out there.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (3, Insightful)

guises (2423402) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553251)

If Apple brings a 7-inch pad to market that outperforms Fire and Nexus 7 I'd be interested.

It's possible that Apple could bring a better performing 7-inch tablet, but it will not beat the price/performance ratio. You're forgetting Apple's market - they never compete on price. My guess: they charge $250-$300 for something very similar to whatever's going for $200 in Android land at the time, but they add some trivial feature and play that up in the marketing as being worth the price difference. Siri 2, for example.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (2)

Antipater (2053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553537)

Nano's not as good as an Ipod touch,

My iPod Nano is controlled by buttons, not a touchscreen (yes, it's not the latest generation). To me, this makes it infinitely superior to the iPod Touch.

I like buttons too (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553711)

...but yes, I was referring to the most recent Nano.

Touchscreens are more flexible but I appreciate being able to skip a song without turning on the screen and looking.

I sure Apple will eventually kill the wheel on ipods and I think that will be a mistake.

Re:Makes sense. Somebody is buying Nanos still. (1)

RatBastard (949) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554133)

Not as good? That really depends on what you need it for. If all you want is to able to play music or listen to audio books why do you need a pocket computer?

I was way off! (5, Funny)

jdastrup (1075795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552775)

And I always thought the rumor was for a 7.625-inch screen.

Re:I was way off! (3, Interesting)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553025)

Apple probably went metric. 20 centimeters = 7.87401575 in (copy pasted from Google), which is near enough 7.85

7.85 inch? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552777)

We all know that the market will accept nothing less than 7.95 inches.

Re:7.85 inch? Really? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553315)

Funny - that's what she said.

steve would know (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552785)

And though Steve Jobs once said that 7-inch tablets are 'dead on arrival,'

steve jobs knows all about 'dead on arrival', eh?

Re:steve would know (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553349)

That's cold. Kind of like Steve...

If it had a cellular modem... (4, Interesting)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552789)

I wish I could have multiple devices with the same SIM card address and just tell the network which one I am using at the time. Then I'd use this 7" device at home and leave the iPhone on the charger, and vice versa when I'm traveling.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552881)

Bluetooth tethering. It works great. Perhaps you need to have a chat with your service provider and express your displeasure that you can't do this for free.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554443)

Bluetooth tethering. It works great. Perhaps you need to have a chat with your service provider and express your displeasure that you can't do this for free.

Uh, not between Android (Galaxy Nexus GSM) and iOS device (iPad).

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (2)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552963)

Which is why SIM cards are usually removable.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553001)

The iPhone 4S uses a micro Sim card while the iPad (at least iPad 2) uses a standard one. The new mini iPad ... well lets see :D

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553623)

The iPad 3 uses a micro SIM.

I've dropped my unlimited AT&T iPhone 4 SIM in my iPad before when the iPad data plan runs out.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553157)

Then I'd use this 7" device at home and leave the iPhone on the charger...

Or save the cost of the cellular modem altogether and just buy the wi-fi version to use at home.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553187)

In Europe it's quite common to get a second SIM with the same number. Costs usually a tenner or so a month, which makes it a bit pointless because you can get a data-only SIM (for 500 MB a month) with a fresh number for less than that.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553317)

This is what I never got. Now "computers" or end user computing devices are getting cheaper. My last laptop was over $2k, my next one will be about $1.5k. Tablets are in the $300-600 range. But phones???? Phones cost upwards of $800 or more.

Re:If it had a cellular modem... (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554185)

It's so sad that VoIP hasn't replaced POTS and cellular yet...this would be so easy to do with SIP or IAX.

10" tablets are too big... (4, Interesting)

Bradmont (513167) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552801)

I have a 10" tablet, and I find it too big for any kind of natural handheld use. And a laptop is a much more natural form factor for non-handheld (tabletop, lying down & watching a movie, etc) uses. I haven't used a 7" tablet, but I have used e-readers a lot, which are about the same size, and they are very comfortable to hold. I don't get why Jobs would have thought it was 10" or bust.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (4, Interesting)

Phyrexia (55710) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552831)

I find the iPad too small for several uses. I would love a tablet with an 8.5x11" useable screen.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554207)

I find the iPad too small for several uses. I would love a tablet with an 8.5x11" useable screen.

Yep. For a home or office tablet, I would also like something bigger than an iPad.

For full page applications like PDFs/Comic books/Magazines, I would rather have a bigger screen than 10". But using carbon fiber or something to keep weight in check.

For the more portable one-handed/ereader application, I would prefers something even smaller than 7". 5"-6" with minimal side bezels would be fine.

I realize this is in the same range as big smartphones. But big smartphones/plans are extremely expensive.

I really don't see a place for a 7" tablet for me. It is too big to be really portable, really as comfortable as a simple e-reader (I have one).

Though regardless of my preferences, Apple really should have something between 4" and 10".

Re:10" tablets are too big... (2)

peragrin (659227) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553161)

Do you have more than one size of paper?

Tablets have uses for lots of sizes. I love my nook sometimes the screen is too small though.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553709)

I use my 7" Slate (700T) for full time work (docked at the office) and at home -- use with a stylus; I think it is wonderful. I returned my iPad 3 on the last day I could, for a complete refund. Found it utterly pointless. I understand that the Slate is a full-blown PC as compared to a tablet but the battery life is excellent and I can do anything I want on it that I can do on any other Windows machine. I currently have Windows 8 preview release on it and it's fantastic.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553795)

I don't get why Jobs would have thought it was 10" or bust.

I have a Nook Color 7" with ICS(pre-CM9) on it and the screen elements are too small for adult fingers with 'tablet' layout apps.

I should really take some video of me trying to use the thing and post some of the more dramatic comedy-of-errors to YouTube.

That said, the large Android tablets don't seem all that great and I'm not buying Apple gear, so instead I wait for better tech (with a working keyboard at that).

Re:10" tablets are too big... (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554453)

I don't get why Jobs would have thought it was 10" or bust.

I have a Nook Color 7" with ICS(pre-CM9) on it and the screen elements are too small for adult fingers with 'tablet' layout apps.

I should really take some video of me trying to use the thing and post some of the more dramatic comedy-of-errors to YouTube.

That said, the large Android tablets don't seem all that great and I'm not buying Apple gear, so instead I wait for better tech (with a working keyboard at that).

In landscape mode, the keyboard isn't that bad. But I prefer "real" keys, so I'd just as soon have an external Bluetooth keyboard - say the one I own that folds up into a tidy 4x4-inch package for travel.

I do my real typing on a real PC, though, with a 22-inch 1600x1200 monitor that I hope lasts forever, since these stupid "TV set monitors" are a horrible geometry for me. The tablet is my RSS and webpage reader, although not all websites are well-adapted to a 1024x800 screen these days (irony). Oh yes. And I read books on it, too.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (3, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554247)

Because Apple didn't make a 7" tablet. Apple's marketing has always declared that any features Apple doesn't have is either irrelevant or actively bad, and any feature that Apple does have but their competitors don't are absolutely indispensable.

Re:10" tablets are too big... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554539)

I don't get why Jobs would have thought it was 10" or bust.

That really wasn't the size. What Jobs did was whip out his (pre-chemo) dick and said, "Make the screen that size!"

Really it's true!

Naturally (5, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552827)

Well of course credible reports have emerged. The market needs some uncertainty injected into it since the Nexus 7 is soon to be released, and Apple certainly doesn't want anyone to buy that when they could have an iPad in a few short months.

Just a marketing ploy. It's a shame how complicit the media is when Apple wants to do it versus, well, any other technology company ever.

Re:Naturally (0)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552945)

The market needs some uncertainty injected into it since the Nexus 7 is soon to be released, and Apple certainly doesn't want anyone to buy that when they could have an iPad in a few short months.

If this is indeed a mere "marketing ploy" by Apple, then it's more likely a shot against the Surface rather than the anemic-looking Nexus 7. Surface might turn out to be vaporware, which saves Apple the expense of manufacturing a lower-cost device to compete with whatever Microsoft is offering.

Re:Naturally (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553027)

Anemic? Are you fucking retarded? The Nexus 7 looks fantastic. It is a revelation at the $199 price point. You seriously need to take the fanboi/hater glasses off and look at it more objectively. Geez.

Re:Naturally (1, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553897)

> The Nexus 7 looks fantastic. It is a revelation at the $199 price point.

No, at $199 it is another tethered media consumption device. No external ports. Add an SD slot (not Micro) and I'd probably have a pre-order in already. Add a USB host port and/or HDMI out and it would be a game changer.

Instead we got a Fire with better hardware specs tethered to an inferior content selection so it is a wash. Subsidized hardware is almost always a loser for the customer shortsighted enough to buy into it.

And back to the main topic, anything new from Apple suffers from the exact same problem. Tethered to the iTunes store. Just waiting for the door to close on the Mac.

Re:Naturally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554435)

Just waiting for the door to close on the Mac.

Not going to happen. 1) Apple makes a lot of money on Macs, especially MacBooks; and 2) iOS apps are developed on Macs using Xcode. So unless Apple is willing to kill a very profitable hardware line and the platform that fuels the creation of iOS apps, Macs are going to be around at least as long as iOS.

Re:Naturally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554549)

> Add an SD slot (not Micro) and I'd probably have a pre-order in already. Add a USB host port and/or HDMI out and it would be a game changer.

Nobody else gives a fuck about your nerd hole fetish. It's not like you ever stick anything in them anyway.

Re:Naturally (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553083)

I think Surface is meant to compete directly with the iPad (Nexus7 and Kindle less so). I agree with grandparent, this seems like a shot across the Google's nose.

Re:Naturally (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553499)

You mean anemic as in your limp dick?

Re:Naturally (1)

WankersRevenge (452399) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553105)

Well ... considering that io6 will be including a layout manager makes this "marketing ploy" more than just a rumor. There's little reason to use a layout manager on the current hardware since everything scales by 2. Of course, that all changes when a different screen size enters the mix.

Re:Naturally (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553265)

Well ... considering that io6 will be including a layout manager makes this "marketing ploy" more than just a rumor. There's little reason to use a layout manager on the current hardware since everything scales by 2. Of course, that all changes when a different screen size enters the mix.

Not saying it isn't true, just saying that if there wasn't fear of the competition, they'd keep it quiet.

Re:Naturally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553911)

Just a marketing ploy. <conspiracytheory> It's a shame how complicit the media is when Apple wants to do it versus, well, any other technology company ever.</conspiracytheory>

There... fixed that for ya.

The media favors those who pay the most for that privilege and at the moment one of the deepest pockets is Apple's. If you think for a moment that Samsung or HTC are beacons of morality who'd never sink that low you are delusional.

I have the prototype (3, Funny)

dmomo (256005) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552839)

It was called the iPad Nano. Mine can make phone calls.

Re:I have the prototype (2)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553291)

So you've been hanging out in bars around Cupertino too, eh?

"Relative success" of smaller tablets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552891)

Yes, if you sell the device below cost then scalp the customer when selling them content for the device, I guess that's being relatively successful. lol

Looking forward to the fanboys... (0)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552905)

scrambling to justify the purchase of a iPad Mini to compliment their Macbooks, iPods, iPads and "iPad nanos" (iPhones).

#1 - Look less idiotic when using tablet to take photos at a sports event.
#2 - Less arm fatigue while trying to force friends to view your favorite examples of the latest Internet meme.
#3 - profit???

Whats with 7.85 inch? why isn't it 7"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40552959)

What does this signify?

Re:Whats with 7.85 inch? why isn't it 7"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553047)

Probably the higher pixel density when scaled down to a 1024 display. Lower display res, cheaper entry point, same aspect, etc.

Re:Whats with 7.85 inch? why isn't it 7"? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553107)

It signifies that people would like another choice. Many of us like the 8" form factor better than 7.( i have both, and prefer 8" for reading )

1 inch doesn't sound like a lot, but it makes a huge difference without bloating the entire device when you jump to nearly 10".

Expiration of Apple's Sheen (1, Informative)

loafing_oaf (1054200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552973)

This seems like a good move, but I keep waiting for Apple to misstep and return to the dark ages it was in in the 1990s before Steve Jobs returned.

Re:Expiration of Apple's Sheen (1, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553231)

It suspect it will take a year from his death for is momentum to start to slow significant amount to notice.

"Eyes Free" (1)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40552987)

What if the smaller iPad wasn't intended for end users but for another OEM?

With the announcement of "Eyes Free" and a Siri button for automobiles how great a leap is it to put an iPad in your car too? Instead of those pricey in dash nav screens that all of the auto manufacturers make, what if a few of them designed an in dash dock instead? It could come with a detachable iPad capable of replacing the nav, the entertainment system, and provide a platform for new apps. And you'd be able to take it with you when you parked. Or not--Apple could always make a non-detachable model too, but I don't see that as being quite as useful.

Either way, we'll know if there's a 7 inch model coming or not soon enough.

Re:"Eyes Free" (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553117)

Interesting idea but it seems too unlike Apple to get into that kind of business. Methinks they would rather let aftermarket firms license the dock interface and make people buy regular old iPads.

in 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553031)

in 2010 we were saying that an ipad was just a big iphone. Now they're gonna sell a small ipad?

7.85? (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553039)

Why not a full 8?

After buying a nook tablet, I have found that 7" isn't big enough to read a tech manual comfortably, but a 8" isn't bad and is still a bit more portable than a 9.7"/10"

6" e-ink is still good for novels.. but id rather ditch them both and get a 9.7"/10" color e-ink at a reasonable price.

There will not be a 7 inch iPad (1)

Tufriast (824996) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553153)

What I hate about these rumors is that they are just that - rumors. Has anyone checked the track record of the suppliers "sources" of late? There will not be a 7 inch iPad and there never will be. The form factor will not accommodate a finger properly, and the app library will not work on a 7.85 inch screen. Apple is and never will be interested in the low end market. This is a fact. If anything, this is a smokescreen to keep competitors making seven inch screen tablets. Apple's brand loyalty department is notorious for issuing these kinds of statements and crap to media outlets to throw people off the trail.

I agree - meet the 7" New iPod Touch (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553301)

There will not be a 7" iPad Mini b/c: 1. the screen resolution will match up to the iPhone not the "retina display" iPad 2. it would cut into iPad sales 3. Nobody would buy a $200 iPod Touch w/ 3.5" screen for only $50 less than a $250 iPad Mini or an iPhone if they wanted a small screen I am very much looking forward to upgrading my 3.5" iPod Touch to the New iPod Touch w/ 7" screen.

Re:There will not be a 7 inch iPad (3, Informative)

TummyX (84871) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553865)

There will not be a 7 inch iPad and there never will be. The form factor will not accommodate a finger properly, and the app library will not work on a 7.85 inch screen.

Erm. The 3.5" iPhone accommodates a finger properly. And if it has a 1024x768 screen (same was as iPad 1 & iPad 2), it will accomodate the apps fine.

Re:There will not be a 7 inch iPad (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554497)

Yeah, I'm largely a fan of Apple products - but I've never grokked the blind acceptance by some people of whatever Steve said. ESPECIALLY when there was already contradictory evidence available... in this case, the existence of the iPhone and iPod Touch.

It's easy measure the size of the icons on an iPad, then do the math - on a 7.8" screen, they'll still be bigger than the versions displayed on an iPhone! So why people continue to spout this obviously false statement is hard to grasp.

Steve Jobs was, first and foremost, charged with maintaining Apple's business. Since Apple didn't offer a smaller tablet at the time, of COURSE he was going to pooh-pooh the idea. Just like he said, at one time, Apple wasn't interested in getting into the phone business - or that a 13" computer screen was at the very low end of usability.

Awkward finding myself taking the opposite view (1)

zuki (845560) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553165)

I must surely be one of the lone dissenting voices with this idea, but - as a long-time iPad owner - I often found myself wishing Apple (or anyone else) also offered a hand-held touch-screen model that was twice as large, where reading books and magazines didn't feel so constricted and one could actually enjoy this wonderful portable medium for the experience it should be able to deliver around the household or elsewhere.

Probably won't happen until we have paper-thin computing devices.... but I can't fail to observe that this whole digital revolution keeps manufacturers bringing a lot of their smaller/cheaper/lighter 'innovations' at the expense of a certain comfort and quality standards we all sort of were taking for granted, and which had to do with basic ergonomics and functionality rather than cramming features into something that sacrificed the very essence of the user's experience with the device in question.

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Re:Awkward finding myself taking the opposite view (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553397)

I must surely be one of the lone dissenting voices with this idea, but - as a long-time iPad owner - I often found myself wishing Apple (or anyone else) also offered a hand-held touch-screen model that was twice as large

Twice the 10" iPad size or twice the 7-8" size of Nook Color/Nook Tablet/Kindle Fire/Nexus 7/rumored iPad Mini/etc.?

The latter -- a 15" 3:4 tablet would be 9"x12", pretty much perfect for letter/A4-formatted content, and right about the limit for what I would consider a tablet useful as a tablet -- I would really like to see.

I've got a 7" device now (a Nook Color I've had for quite a while) as well as a smartphone, and other than replacing those with better devices in similar form factors, I'd much rather pick up a 15" device than a 10" device.

Re:Awkward finding myself taking the opposite view (1)

Harvey Manfrenjenson (1610637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553953)

Exactly. For instance, I'd like to use a tablet as an e-reader for musical scores. (You can buy specialized devices that do this, but they're insanely overpriced and don't offer the same resolution as the Ipad). I'd also like to be able to read technical journals in the format they were designed to be read.

A bigger screen (11" or 12") and/or a foldable double screen would be awesomely useful. It's weird to me that *NONE* of the tablet manufacturers have tried bringing one to market.

Re:Awkward finding myself taking the opposite view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553879)

Toshiba AT330 should be available soon. Not quite twice the size and probably too heavy, but it's a first step.

now add voice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553233)

If Apple adds voice/phone to this device, I may consider buying it when I've run my 4 year old iphone into the ground; I want ONE device that serves both as a phone and as a mobile micro-workstation... I'd also prefer it was made (not necessarily by an American but) by someone making a good prosperous living (i.e., unlike now.)

And in other news... (1)

gsx-rob (2621791) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553273)

Apple sues Samsung for stealing their idea before they came up with it....

News industry is having an orgaasm (1)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553313)

Seriously, the entire news industry is having a shit fit over this rumor.

Is news so slow that this needs to be announced multiple times at each news source I read??

Are we discussing tablets or penis length? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553339)

10 inches is too big and bulky...but 7 inches is too small...questions about why we don't just round up to the next whole number...and of course everyone has their own definition of "perfect size" based on usage.

Yes, I'd say there's a few similarities here...

Are cellular chipsets that expensive? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553353)

Why is it that Google can release a 7" tablet for $199, but an unlocked Android phone with a 4" screen costs $400 - $800?

Is the cellular chipset (and related testing and integration) really that expensive? is it the miniaturization to make a phone formfactor that makes it expensive?

Price is a huge factor (1)

Control-Z (321144) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553381)

Consumers will take a chance and/or forgive a lot of shortcomings in exchange for a lower price.

Take Steam, discounting Left4Dead by 50% led to a 3000% increase in sales: http://www.edge-online.com/features/valve-are-games-too-expensive

That's probably where the Steam Summer Sale came from. BTW, where is it this year?

This is just to hurt the Nexus 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40553459)

Of course now there are "Credible" sources for this. It's the best way to steal some steam from the Nexus 7.

sceptical (2)

Tom (822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553781)

I'm very sceptical, that wouldn't be like Apple at all. I'm half expecting a much cheaper iPad in addition to the existing ones, but not with a different form factor.

Reasons are plenty, one of them is that apps are all designed for this size, from button size to the occasional ruler app. There have been similar rumors for the iPhone several times, and they've all turned out to be wrong.

Straight from the horse's mouth: (0)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553807)

“One naturally thinks that a 7-inch screen would offer 70 percent of the benefits of a 10-inch screen,” Jobs said during a 2010 earnings call. “Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn’t because we don’t want to hit [a lower] price point, it’s because we think the screen is too small to express the software.”

if it's a smidgen smaller, at 6" diagonal... (1)

DdJ (10790) | more than 2 years ago | (#40553931)

...I'll be amused as hell, because that's about the screen size of the Newton MP2000 that was often rejected as way too large (the PalmPilot's tiny size being something of a reaction to this).

Price unrealistic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40554009)

With the current 8GB Ipod Touch selling at $199.00 - is a 200.00 price tag even in the ballpark?

A play on the joke about Nietzsche... (3, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554213)

"7-inch tablets are dead on arrival" - Steve Jobs

"Steve Jobs is dead on arrival" - 7-inch tablets

A step in the wrong direction. (1)

multicoregeneral (2618207) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554491)

I think that if tablets are going to reach maturity, artists and content creators need a 20 inch tablet. It doesn't matter what it costs, just that the tools are there. Sure, it's cool that there's a smaller ipad, but we need bigger ones that you can do actual work on.

And smart investors around the world (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40554519)

Smart investors around the world are investing heavily in cargo pants in anticipation of the gadget's arrival on the tech scene. Basement geeks are re-considering their previous decision to abandon trousers altogether, thinking perhaps that decision was a bit 'premature.'

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