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Dreaming of Digital Glory At Hacker Hostels

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the tell-me-about-your-new-social-network dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The NY Times has a story about a small chain of managed residences that has sprung up in the Bay Area to provide a cheap place where programmers, designers, and scientists can live and work. These 'hacker hostels' are a place for aspiring entrepreneurs to gather, share, and refine ideas. 'Hackers ... have long crammed into odd or tiny spaces and worked together to solve problems. In the 1960s, researchers at the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory slept in the attic and, while waiting for their turn on the shared mainframe computer, sweated in the basement sauna. When told about the hacker hostels, Ethan Mollick, an assistant professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania who studies entrepreneurship, said they reminded him of his days in the last decade studying at M.I.T., where graduate students would have bunk beds inside their small offices.'"

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Hackers get free housing (3, Funny)

Serious Sandwich (2678177) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563527)

.. at state prison!

Re:Hackers get free housing (3, Interesting)

genjix (959457) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563973)

We have done this for years here in Europe. Typically they are called hacklabs. Often they may be squatted houses converted into social centres, or a funded space (like a hackerspace) with people living on site.

Here's a photo of one from 2004:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/genjix/2169785087/in/photostream [flickr.com]

A large factory with ~20 hackers living and working on projects. People would come and go as they please, and we held several hackathons there like the 2007 Crystal Space hackfest:

http://crystalspace3d.org/main/La_Fibra_hackfest_report [crystalspace3d.org]

This has been going on for decades throughout major cities in Europe such as London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Spain, Italy, Austria and Prague.

Re:Hackers get free housing (1)

ls671 (1122017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564247)

The picture in your first link has a text saying "computers to make me want to leave my wife." Well, not for me. The PCs look like 1995. There might be only one flat screen visible under the table but I am not even sure this is it.

It reminds me a lab we had in 2003 where the company would only supply us with old PC desktops from 1995.

Throw in a few cray computers, a few Sun servers and actual PC servers with double power supply etc., more flat screens and I might want to leave my wife.

Still, I remember similar times and it was cool ;-)

Re:Hackers get free housing (1)

PTBarnum (233319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564805)

If your servers need double power supplies, you're not building proper failover into your software.

Re:Hackers get free housing (1)

ls671 (1122017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564903)

Who talked about needing dual power supplies ? Not me...

Sometimes you may leave your your wife for things that you don't really need !

Re:Hackers get free housing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40568397)

Consider the situation where software A runs on server B. Now consider that server B has a power supply failure, causing it to power off. This terminates the execution of software A.

I'm trying to come up with an algorithm to prevent the execution of software A from halting due to the power failure on server B. After a few moments of thought, I've been unable to come up with anything.

What failover solution do you build into your software for the scenario of power supply failure?

And, no, we're not talking about clusters, etc. Those are not software solutions. You specifically made the dumb statement that software should be designed to failover from a single power supply failure. Just bizarre from someone with a 6-digit UID.

Re:Hackers get free housing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40567263)

Looking at the first link go to the third picture on the right...is that big guy wearing any pants?

Re:Hackers get free housing (1)

paskie (539112) | more than 2 years ago | (#40574963)

What place where hackers live together do you have in mind regarding Prague? I'm living here and I'm not aware of any.

at the Y M C A!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564003)

bunk beds?

dreaming of digital glory holes is more like it.

Man, the boomers are doing a bang-up job of tricking the following generations into dropping their standard of living. I am going to have no compunction about shoving grandma to the sidewalk and stealing her SS check.

Re:at the Y M C A!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565239)

The lowered standard of living is not a "boomer conspiracy."

It is the net effect of globalization, American public education, open borders, digitalization, piracy and taxation.

You can't have economic growth when you're willing to work for much less, pay no one else, and repeatedly endorse the government taking a larger share of the pie.

To the extent that there is a generational factor, it is the Gen X/Y folks who discriminate against their elders, at their own peril.

"provide a cheap place where..." (5, Interesting)

nsanders (208050) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563587)

FTA:

"But many tenants are here not so much for the cheap rent — $40 a night — as for the camaraderie and idea-swapping."

$40/night * 30 days (month~) == $1200/month

Well, I guess it is San Francisco.. so maybe that's cheap for them.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (-1, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563677)

I rented a room from a tweaker (didn't know at the beginning of course) at 385 Nevada St. in Bernal Heights, SF... for $800/mo. His name is Paul Prince, and he managed a Toys R' Us. I give all this information because he didn't return my rental deposit though the room was cleaner when I left than when I moved in. He kicked me out right after my car got stolen for not squeegeeing the shower door well enough after every shower. Goddamn tweakers. Now that I think of it, I wonder if he was complicit in the theft of my car. It was parked right under my open window with the alarm on. But if you just walked in and "borrowed" my keys you could drive it right off. I know he's a tweaker because he tried to get me to smoke with him through his little bic pen.

Anyway, $1200 is a steal if you don't have to worry about whether you'll end up renting from a shitbag like Paul Prince. And I'm not talking about the photographer in NYC.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

Serious Sandwich (2678177) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563785)

$1200 a month wth? Living in Thailand costs like $100 a month.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

PoweredByTesla (2665655) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564125)

Living in a box on the streets of San Francisco is free... come to think of it, they will probably find a way to charge you for parking your cart.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565637)

Nonsense. San Francisco will pay you to live in a box on their streets.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564223)

Noted. The GDP of Thailand is $617 billion. The GMP of the San Francisco Bay Area is $326 billion. The population of Thailand is 67 million. The population of the San Francisco Bay Area is 7 million.

$1200/month is cheap for San Francisco. $2000/month is cheap for New York.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565005)

No it doesn't. I live in Thailand. The official minimum wage is about $250/month. A very crappy apartment will cost $80/month, if that's how you want to live.

For a non-Thai, just dealing with visa requirements will cost you an average of $70/month. Good luck living on $1/day.

That said, it's still cheap and a great country to live in.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40570191)

Sure, but what's the commute to San Francisco like?

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40563913)

for those who don't know a "tweaker" is someone who uses methamphetamines.

i'm not from the that part of the world so had to look it up.

I looked up "douche" too. i'm not sure i understand it fully but i'd say it's the right term for someone who will pointlessly or prooflessly starts naming and shaming someone they have a grudge against.

as i say, apologies if "doche" is the wrong term, perhaps some one more local to the area could provide a better term.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564885)

The dude stole his money, it's important that he is publicly shamed so nobody incurs a debt with him ever again.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40569391)

The dude stole his money, it's important that he is publicly shamed so nobody incurs a debt with him ever again.

THANK you, I'm glad somebody gets it. Hey, maybe nobody will ever see this comment, especially now that it's been downmodded. But on the other hand, maybe someday it'll save somebody some money, and it didn't cost me anything. Maybe someday it'll cost the guy a job, and then at least a very small slice of justice will be served.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Warmlight (1315819) | more than 2 years ago | (#40566503)

Your use of the word douche would not be considered incorrect. To be more specific 'douches' are people who have a sense of un-based superiority. Your definition fits under that umbrella. You may also come across 'douchebag' which is the full term. It references a feminine hygiene product that is anything but hygienic.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564481)

what kind of looser smokes meth with bic pen, you smoke cannabis oil with a foils and a pen not meth nor heroine, you smoke meth with a light-bulb or something more fancy made out of pyrex.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40568677)

Losers smoke out of that shit. Real smokers of anything smoke out of a nice artistic glass piece. If you can't afford one, you should reevaluate your life decisions. Perhaps smoking drugs is not right for you. I have 6 glass pipes for cannabis, and a wife that keeps them all loaded. I seldom hit a bowl more than three times before she loads fresh green and the half-smoked goes in the trash.

You too can have these luxuries if you stop doing drugs long enough to get in a position where you can use them the right, safe, and responsible way.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564585)

Yeah dude I bet he stole it, most tweekers will steal anything that isn't nailed down

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (2)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563843)

Yeah, moving to the west coast is certainly an eye opener in this regard. My last apartment in the South was $525/month for 1200 square feet, a garden plot/yard, and a parking spot. I get a 350 square foot shit hole on the edge of Koreatown for about $800/month here in los angeles, and rent in SFO scares the hell out of me...

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564583)

Come to London. I live in one of the more deprived parts of London, 1 bed apartment, 50 square metres (550 sq ft), no bills included. This costs me $1650 a month.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563929)

$1200 for just some house is a lot. But add the infrastructure, possibly some furniture, and especially all the extra brains (neighbors, other nerds) and the price might be totally worth it.

But "cheap" is not the word I would use to describe it.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564255)

"But many tenants are here not so much for the cheap rent â" $40 a night â" as for the camaraderie and idea-swapping."

Lots of hackers homes in close proximity? Cue federal wiretaps and police thuggery to attack the terrorists and downloaders in 5...4...3... :(

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564527)

For pay-by-the-day it's not a bad price at all. You can do better than $1200/mo for a room, but usually that requires you to sign a lease.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40566055)

Yeah, but don't forget there's 10 people living there. That's $12,000 per month, an insane amount to pay for a small apartment anywhere. Someone is making a lot of money off of this, which is fine, but that doesn't make the rent cheap in any respect.

My rent would be about $2.50 per night if I had 10 roommates.

Re:"provide a cheap place where..." (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 2 years ago | (#40567059)

When this stuff was done in the past as described, it was done primarily because graduate students were poor. Going home to a dump is not an improvement over sleeping at the lab. Crowded conditions are not desirable but they occur when there is not an alternative. When scientists and engineers get jobs with decent pay then they stop living like lab rats.

From the article (5, Funny)

Georules (655379) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563597)

Hackers — the Mark Zuckerberg variety, not the identity thieves — have long crammed into odd or tiny spaces and worked together to solve problems.

Wait, Mark Zuck is not an identity thief?

Re:From the article (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40563625)

He didn't steal it, you licensed it to him in the ten pages of legalese.

Re:From the article (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40563751)

Page 4: """You grant Facebook an unlimited, nonexclusive license to use, distribute, modify, and distribute modified versions, of your personality."""

Re:From the article (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564951)

Hackers â" the Mark Zuckerberg variety, not the identity thieves â" have long crammed into odd or tiny spaces and worked together to solve problems.

Wait, Mark Zuck is not an identity thief?

Is it stealing if someone just gives it to you?

After all, the information on Facebook is provided voluntarily by its users. It wasn't obtained through hacking their computers or purchasing their information from the various databaes. It was provided to Facebook free of charge by the user.

It's really hard to steal what people are giving you. Of course, sometimes people need a bit more convincing, but that's what "privacy" controls are for. Give them a false sense of control and they'll open right up. Keeping something "private" on Facebook is like telling someone a secret you don't want to spread.

Re:From the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40569109)

If someone posts a picture of me on their account without my consent, can I hold facebook liable for receiving stolen property?

good idea (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40563753)

Maybe the hackers crammed into this hostel can work on some sort of global information sharing system that would allow them to collaborate without being in the same physical location.

Re:good idea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564435)

so i was at the supermarket the other day, right?, in the produce section, and i walks up to this guy, and i says, i says to the guy, i says to him, i says, "excuse me, but is that your nose or is it a banana?" and the guy is all like, what?, and so i says, i says again, i says, "excuse me, but is that your nose or is it a banana?" and then the universe dissolved around me and i was left floating in the vacuum of space, and so i walks up to the vacuum of space, and i says, i says to the vacuum of space, i says, "excuse me, but are you the vacuum of space, or are you a banana?"

Re:good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564587)

maybe a series of tubes to relay information?

Re:good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40568727)

Tubes and relays for computations went out of style half a century ago.

not the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40563757)

Wait, you're missing something... Schools have mainframes,clusters, etc. What does this have that will keep them sleeping in the attic and basement? I see nothing beyond idea exchange. BTW there is this thing called the internet, where we exchange ideas... So what will draw them to this pricey hostal?

Re:not the same (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564243)

even if you have direct Tier 1 access to the net you still need a POP and a place to be when you have to go offline that is secure enough for your Terminal and other Bits. Plus you need to have someplace that you can Nike.Net at.

Hole-In-The-Wall Hostel + Digital Glory (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563923)

= Digital Glory Hole

Re:Hole-In-The-Wall Hostel + Digital Glory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565663)

Hey, that's a printer port, not a finger hole!

This is yet another example... (1, Flamebait)

pigiron (104729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563931)

of the degeneration of the United States into a teeming, fetid copy of China or India. Question globalism. Question diversity.

Re:This is yet another example... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565607)

Hell Yeah! For once a comment makes visibility on Slashdot that isn't saturated with brain-dead sugary political correctness.

25 years ago, my engineering school was about 1/3 American, 1/3 Asian import, and 1/3 Middle-Eastern import. The foreign guys were by no means smarter than Americans on average. We all spent our childhoods with soldering irons, breadboards and schematics and maybe an early 8-bit computer or PC-clone. Not exactly common overseas then so we had an intuitive leg up.

Look at the old footage of mission control for the 60's space program. Seems there was no shortage of American talent then, maybe because being smart like an engineer was considered important. Now everyone wants their job to be reorganizing and distributing or basically getting in the way of others' creativity being rewarded.

And the smell is wonderful! (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40563969)

Ummm, these rooms smell like rainbows and Mila Kunis hugs!

Re:And the smell is wonderful! (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565803)

Ummm, these rooms smell like rainbows and Mila Kunis hugs!

I'll be right there!

*phew* (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564143)

Betcha that plays smells like an overheated CRT at a Linux convention.

Re:*phew* (1)

azalin (67640) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564231)

probably worse

Gotta say I admire their pure focus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40564289)

For the past couple of decades at least, it's been quite easy to make what is an outstanding living for a single person with a computer-related engineering degree in the US, even if you just get a regular job.

With youth and disposable income I would think these guys would focus on obtaining near-constant female 'companionship' and climbing the ladder of grown-up toys that eventually reaches the Porsche or Ferrari level. Add in some alcohol and music if you have to.

This is not to slam a generation or anything. They've existed throughout history.

What could possibly go wrong? (4, Informative)

sirwired (27582) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564333)

"But inside, in a third-floor apartment, there are enough Ikea bunk beds to sleep 10 people, crammed into two bedrooms." And they mention that the house "captain" gets his/her own room, meaning you have 11 people in a single apartment.

This violates so many different housing codes, it's not even funny. Cramming that many people into such a small space is downright dangerous. Fire, sanitation, etc., ... all problems. These are not niggling little "lets find something to fine you for" issues... this is a serious safety problem.

"Katy Levinson, who runs another hacker house, declined to give its exact location because she had heard about several houses being shut down after running into trouble with landlords."

She doesn't even OWN the house? That tells me two things:
1) She's badly violating the terms of any lease agreement, which certainly would not allow subletting of this magnitude.
2) She's utterly ignoring any landlord-tenant laws herself.

Re:What could possibly go wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565141)

"But inside, in a third-floor apartment, there are enough Ikea bunk beds to sleep 10 people, crammed into two bedrooms." And they mention that the house "captain" gets his/her own room, meaning you have 11 people in a single apartment.

This violates so many different housing codes, it's not even funny. Cramming that many people into such a small space is downright dangerous. Fire, sanitation, etc., ... all problems. These are not niggling little "lets find something to fine you for" issues... this is a serious safety problem.

"Katy Levinson, who runs another hacker house, declined to give its exact location because she had heard about several houses being shut down after running into trouble with landlords."

She doesn't even OWN the house? That tells me two things:
1) She's badly violating the terms of any lease agreement, which certainly would not allow subletting of this magnitude.
2) She's utterly ignoring any landlord-tenant laws herself.

Actually, it doesn't violate housing code. Not in California. Especially not in San Francisco.
The state occupancy formula is 70 square feet for two, plus 50 square feet per additional adult.

Re:What could possibly go wrong? (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565863)

That's intresting. In my country (Hungary) the minimum per person is 44 square feet (4 m2), so your 70 sq ft for 2 would violate that. And this is an Eastern-European country.

Not quite (1)

sirwired (27582) | more than 2 years ago | (#40566135)

What you cites is true only for housing designed to house people in this way. Youth hostels are certainly not illegal.

Putting great numbers of people in a regular apartment? Not so much.

"Crammed into odd or tiny spaces . . . " (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564341)

. . . sounds like a perfect description of cubicles to me. Smart parents might want to prepare their children early for cubicle life, to give them a head start before the neighbors' children:

How about cubicle cribs for babies, and cubicle summer camps? They'll be better prepared for life in their cubicle future!

Entrepreneur (-1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564523)

As an actual entrepreneur, I'm really sick and tired of seeing people like this called entrepreneurs. They're not building businesses. They're trying to game a system to get piles of money for as little work as humanly possible.

Re:Entrepreneur (1)

PTBarnum (233319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40564909)

Do you mean the people setting up the hostels, or the guests? As far as I can tell, the article only gives one example of an actual business plan two of the residents were trying to implement. It sounded like a real thing to me, but since I'm not an entrepreneur, perhaps I'm missing the vital thing that would qualify them as "real" entrepreneurs.

Re:Entrepreneur (1)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#40566419)

These people are all trying to sell their businesses before they even start them. They're cashing out before they get started. That's not creating a sustainable business. On top of that, entrepreneurs risk their own capital. These people are all begging for money from wealthy gamblers. It's pathetic, really.

Re:Entrepreneur (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 2 years ago | (#40566845)

Yeah, it's kind of sickening hearing about them. They start some sort of idea, often one that's been done before and better, and then put a hell of a lot of effort into trying to find VC investors dumb enough to fund them while they polish it enough to sell it and perform a 'successful exit'.

This is why women don't like IT (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40565137)

Dear god, as a female I would see this as a nightmare. I already have to set and constantly re-establish boundaries with the male-dominated work force that I'm in (physics, specifically). I would not want to sleep anywhere near them. I would not want to be stuck cleaning up after them all because my preferred standards of cleanliness are much higher than theirs.

This is part of why women don't join these fields in parity with men. We can't afford to completely dissolve boundaries like this, because some creep will make it a huge problem for us (even if there's only one creep in dozens). Honestly, since men are more likely to be victims of crime, I don't really see why y'all want to completely give up any privacy either. You do know you ain't getting any with a living situation like that, right?

It reminds me of a science conference I went to. My lab was paying for me to attend, and there were no huge budget issues to worry about. However, the conference organizer decided it would be a jolly good bonding experience to assign everyone random room mates at the conference hotel! This was a group of people who had, by and large, never met each other before, with an international set of attendees. I am happy, happy to socialize with Indian scientists and French scientists and Chinese scientists and American scientists and all the rest. I am not happy to give these same scientists access to my wallet while I sleep, or to my bed, or to my luggage (meager though it may be). They have no serious motivation to be a good room mate because they will likely never see me again. I refused to share my room with some total stranger and the guys in charge thought I was a complete nutter for it.

Re:This is why women don't like IT (1)

mellon (7048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565365)

Huh, I don't see why anyone would think you were crazy for not wanting to share a room, particularly with someone of the opposite sex. I certainly see the attraction of a setup like this, but I'd rather pay more for a private room. I think the social setting would be very cool, but on a practical level, I don't think it would work for me. I _have_ stayed in hostels like this for mountaineering courses up in the Sierras, and it worked okay except for the snoring, but I think I slept with my wallet in my pocket.

Re:This is why women don't like IT (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565855)

I am happy, happy to socialize with Indian scientists and French scientists and Chinese scientists and American scientists and all the rest. I am not happy to give these same scientists access to my wallet while I sleep, or to my bed, or to my luggage (meager though it may be). They have no serious motivation to be a good room mate because they will likely never see me again. I refused to share my room with some total stranger and the guys in charge thought I was a complete nutter for it.

So you automatically assume that your fellow scientists want to steal your money and rummage through your luggage? Wow, paranoid and racist much?

Re:This is why women don't like IT (1)

Xaedalus (1192463) | more than 2 years ago | (#40569615)

Being a scientist does not automatically imply or infer a sense of morality. Or ethics.

Re:This is why women don't like IT (1)

story645 (1278106) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565971)

Dear god, as a female I would see this as a nightmare.

And as a female, I think it could be kinda cool provided I could be in an all girl house (or at least an all girl room), but that has more to do with my religious standards then any disgust at living with boys. I've lived with enough girls that I've had to clean up after that I don't think it's fair to play the boys are slobs card. But then again, I'm in CS and like tech and all that, and only find the start-up culture a little off putting 'cause so many of the people in it aren't all that technical.

I do think you're right though about boundaries and masculine culture playing a part in keeping women from the field, but the frat house atmosphere of these places is just as much a symptom of the culture as a cause of it, though I found the whole den mother thing deeply disturbing-why are the only women being mentioned basically glorified babysitters?

Re:This is why women don't like IT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40570823)

I'll chime in from the other side of the gender divide then and say I absolutely agree with you. I sort of assumed that - at least - there's no justifiable reason that someone couldn't set up female hostels, whether or not it's been done; I guess it would depend on whether or not enough people were interested in the idea. Although I seem to recall that I saw some female commenter saying that she'd stayed in such a house, so maybe there are female versions.

As a guy, I may be nerdy but I need privacy and time to get away from other people. I can see how being in such a place for a few weeks or even months could be an intense experience but eventually I'd feel the need to get away from it and just slow down.

And yes, the idea of each house of guys having a den mother just strikes me as creepy in the utmost. Especially when she's the one deciding who moves in and who moves out. It's an all-male miniature cooperative with a matriarchal benevolent dictator. What the hell... even just trying to picture a woman who would take that position - room and board in exchange for shaping a little family of nerdy guys - gives me the creeps.

Re:This is why women don't like IT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40568899)

Also what about us old-time hackers?

I live in a house and don't need a hostel.

The TFA talks about Stanford, Wharton grads. Again--this is all about the young folks in school. So, are we all saying the only way to innovate is be under 25, inexperienced, study tech or get an MBA? Considering 90% of valley start ups fail, and 90% MBAs fail.

Really, have we come to this as the recipe for innovation?

In China... (1)

IflyRC (956454) | more than 2 years ago | (#40565631)

These are called WoW Gold Farms.

Pathetic (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40567409)

These are not so different from crowded apartments that cater to immigrants.

Exactly.

The US is in the process of reducing living standards to the level of Shenzen. Already the 40 hour week is a memory. Then there's the "internship" work-for-free racket. Now, overcrowded dorms. Public housing projects provided more living space per person than that. Even SRO hotels rent you an individual room.

This is pathetic.

$40 a NIGHT!! (1)

utkonos (2104836) | more than 2 years ago | (#40568685)

Holy shit, man! You can get a nice apartment by yourself in Northern Virginia and have just as much local resources for starting a tech company as California. The internet is here, not there...
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