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Ex-Nokia Staff To Build MeeGo-based Smartphones

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the hope-springs-eternal dept.

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Snirt writes "A group of ex-Nokia staff and MeeGo enthusiasts has formed Jolla (Finnish for 'dinghy'), a mobile startup with the aim of bringing new MeeGo devices to the market. According to its LinkedIn page, Jolla consists of directors and core professionals from Nokia's MeeGo N9 organization, together with some of the best minds working on MeeGo in the communities."

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First Post Nokia! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40577875)

WTF us Meego and why should I care?

Change the god damned name first... (0, Flamebait)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 2 years ago | (#40577915)

Nobody wants a product that is called MeeGo. It's the dumbest fucking name for an OS. Whoever thought of this name should be shot. MeeGo poopy now mommy!

Re:Change the god damned name first... (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40577963)

No worries, I doubt there will be a product named MeeGo. In fact, it isn't even using MeeGo, but Mer [merproject.org] , which spun off from MeeGo when it became obvious that Nokia was going to walk away and Intel was off to pursue other things.

Jolla will probably name it something else exclusive to them. All that matters is by going with Mer (or as they've been saying, MeeGo) you know one thing: Qt.

Re:Change the god damned name first... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578211)

They are actually already based on Mer:
https://twitter.com/JollaMobile/status/221688205672595456 [twitter.com]
I guess they are just using the MeeGo name for publicity. :)

Re:Change the god damned name first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578239)

List of names/versions of the MeeGo project:

Moblin
Maemo
MeeGo
Harmattan
Tizen
Mer

Any I've missed?

Re:Change the god damned name first... (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578267)

There's only a few actual connections.

Intel: Moblin -> MeeGo -> (huge disconnect, much package shedding) -> Mer
Nokia: Maemo -> Harmattan
Samsung: Tizen

Re:Change the god damned name first... (3, Insightful)

wmac1 (2478314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579937)

I am starting to worry whether we can rely on less popular open source software? In recent few years many of the open source libraries and software I use were discontinued.

- a few of the developers decided to produce commercial versions and sell for money
- a few others thought they need money for living and started developing new commercial projects with functionalists similar to the open source one but better (this category includes myself)
- a few others just gave up on the project and left the source code somewhere hoping that someone else will continue developing it

The reason might be the hard fact that you cannot work for free and pay for your life.

This question comes to my mind: Which open source projects we may trust (to rely on them)? ... perhaps those which have a better business and sustaining plan ?

Re:Change the god damned name first... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40577967)

Yugo, MeeGo, WeAllGo

Re:Change the god damned name first... (2, Interesting)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578329)

There's a fine line between "Flamebait" and "saying what a lot of people think, and delivering it very bluntly". "Me go plop plop" is in fact a very common phrase on the alt.tasteless newsgroup, for example. I'd have modded it insightful rather than flamebait!

Probably more of the blame for that should go on Intel than Nokia. I always felt (I was a Nokia dev.) that Intel was the dominant part of the "partnership". (And that the "partnership" was about as fake as Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes'.)

Re:Change the god damned name first... (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579611)

There's a fine line between "Flamebait" and "saying what a lot of people think, and delivering it very bluntly". "Me go plop plop" is in fact a very common phrase on the alt.tasteless newsgroup, for example.

Who cares about traditions on alt.tasteless? Usenet isn't even followed by most nerds anymore, let alone the general public.

Re:Change the god damned name first... (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578585)

Same thing that killed the Wii and the Kindle book reader, will then never learn?

Re:Change the god damned name first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579569)

What did Microsoft have to do with Wii or Kindle?

Good luck (4, Insightful)

Tancred (3904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40577917)

I think it's too late due to the developer network effect (same goes for Firefox OS and even Windows Phone). But I'd like to be wrong about that.

Re:Good luck (3, Interesting)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578275)

Your worries are valid. My hope is that they decide that absolute openness of the platform (so basically like the true-Maemo n900 was, rather than the fake-MeeGo-broken-Maemo n9) will lower the entry bar to a level where people feel it might be a fun thing to play with, as the time investment on trying to work around restrictions is minimal. I.e. something every linux hacker would want. Once (and if, of course) there's a critical mass, hopefully it will take off in a bigger way.

Re:Good luck (2)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578503)

If it is open, count on me to buy a device. Even if the only things running on this device are a text editor and a mail client. Hell, even if I need to write the mail client myself.

Re:Good luck (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578553)

+1 will buy any new open phone with a keyboard to succeed my N900. There's always so much suspense between buying new phones for me, and it gets more severe every time.

Re:Good luck (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578921)

And with the rest of the Slashdot posters who chime in they could sell several dozen. Probably even enough to give Windows Phone a run for it's money.

Re:Good luck (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578941)

When I pulled out my N950 proto in a pub in Helsinki a year or so back, 5 out of the other 6 people at the table (none of whom were Nokians) were N900 owners and every single one said that they don't care one jot about the N9, they want the keyboard - and would pay money for it.

I have no idea which particular manager was behind the 'developer device only' decision for the N950, but I hope his crack is cut with something nasty.

Re:Good luck (3, Insightful)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579165)

The late Steve declared keyboards were bad, so every second-rate Jobs wannabe declared keyboards had to go.

Nokia's last horizontal slider phone, I believe, was the E7 released in Feb 2011.

RIM, for the time being, offers vertical sliders.

Re:Good luck (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579751)

Agree completely.

Re:Good luck (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578989)

I know people who ported mutt and alpine to the N900.

Then again, most people I knew who wanted to have old-school mail just ran SSH in a terminal to a remote 'screen' session on their home machines, where they were running mutt locally.

We (in the kernel development team) often used to[*] joke about booting to a shell. There could be a binary called 'call', and if that was too much to type, set up a bleedin' alias for it! Want to hang up? Simple - that's Control-C! And what could be simpler than:
$ sms anna 'coming home soon, do I need to go to the shops?'

[* one made it again just a couple of weeks ago, the last time I saw him]

Re:Good luck (3, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579803)

While N900 is the best smartphone currently existing, it is a terrible phone exactly due to the telephony interface. If it rings while in a bag, there's a ~50% chance some random button on the touchscreen will press itself (and an incoming call unlocks the screen!). It can drop calls entirely due to a "turn the phone face down" gesture which must have taken some serious drugs to invent. The interface for calling someone is not any better.

So really, if there's a way to initiate (and perhaps even receive!) calls from the command line, it would actually be better than current shit. After beating some sense into the keyboard code, the terminal is more convenient to use than most laptops, I'd sure take having to type "accept" or an alias over randomly rejecting calls.

Re:Good luck (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578545)

But are there enough "Linux hackers" that would bother to buy the thing? After all we've seen that Linux hackers would rather have the Windows Tax break than buy from places like System76 as the Newegg article from a few weeks back showed, and Open Moko didn't sell enough to make it worth doing, so I'm seriously doubtful there are enough hackers that give a shit about their phone OS to actually make this worthwhile.

After all if Linux hackers only bought from Linux vendors and bought open hardware we'd already have a market with such devices, but the fact that we don't leads me to believe there just isn't enough that care what runs on their phones. Hell without economy of scale on their side these things will probably be higher than a decent Android phone, not to mention I seriously doubt ANY carrier is gonna offer a hacker friendly phone on contract so it'll be full price city which averages $400-$600, at least around here. How many people are gonna pay that just to have a fully hackable phone? Raise of hands, how many here will be pre-ordering if they offer it?

Sorry to be a downer but without a major OEM like Samsung or Nokia behind it I just don't see any of these niche phones going anywhere, and that goes for WebOS, MozOS, and WinPhone as well.

Re:Good luck (1)

ntropia (939502) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578885)

Well, you need to have a device that's accessible to these 'Linux hackers'. Once they can put their hands on them, and tickle the hardware with the entire software-land of Linux, you could have the equivalent of a CyanogenMod installer that even a dumb user could install without having to go to bricking-prone steps (root, install ROM recovery, yadda yadda...)

Re:Good luck (3, Informative)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578903)

Estonians (not know for being the richest country in the world) paid ~$800 for an N900. That's way more than a month's average wage here.

Finns pre-ordered at that same price by the thousand. I know _dozens_ of people with the N900, more than of any other phone I know. And I'm not just thinking of my colleagues who used the prototypes as our daily device while working on the project (that would be hundreds, not dozens), I'm thinking of non-Nokians who paid cold hard cash for the thing.

However, you're right, this would be a niche thing. The market is going through a catastrophic collapse towards a duoculture or even monoculture, the chance of anything new (or old but recycled) making it big now are absolutely minimal. They've got to fight over the scraps now. Achieving critical mass is not for domination - it's for staying alive.

Downer? Hah! You're barely making a dent compared with what Elop did to me! (By joining the company 2 years back...)

Re:Good luck (3, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578671)

They don't need to make a device targeted at Linux hackers. They can add those capabilities on whatever device they make. What they need to do is take the territory that Nokia lost when they abandoned Symbian, and deliver on support in ways that Android vendors fail utterly at. If they can do that, catering to us nerds is something they'll do anyway because they'll want that capability themselves.

Re:Good luck (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579077)

and I guess there's options here for the OS to be picked up by a big electronics corporate (say, LG or Sony perhaps) who wants to have a "presence" in the smartphone market without having to be another me-too Android manufacturer.

There's marketplaces that can be tapped - especially the featurephone marketplace, if the OS can be trimmed down to fit on a supercheap phone, it has a place. Even if it can't, it can be positioned as a computer-in-your-pocket with a desktop/TV dock that is the holy grail of smartphones IMHO.

And, of course, if its Linux-based, there's the possibility it'll be able to run Android apps as well as the usual Linux ones.

In any case, they don't need to become massively huge with more phones than Apple and Google combined... they just need to make a profit to keep them in their jobs (I never quite subscribed to the MBA approach of 'maximising profits even if it means dumping a profitable division') and sell more than Windows to take not only take the number 3 smartphone position but to also do a mighty number 2 on Nokia and Microsoft combined.

Re:Good luck (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579045)

Indeed, the closer it is to a standard Linux, preferably a deb system, the better the chance software is easy to port.

Why would a manufacturer that presently is depending on Google to update Android not be tempted by something much more common?
The price is in large parts of the world not an issue, most people I know do like me and buy their phone outright and then get a service with it.

The US market is important but not exactly the standard of things mobile.

Re:Good luck (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579743)

>(so basically like the true-Maemo n900 was, rather than the fake-MeeGo-broken-Maemo n9)

I haven't heard this (n900 user, haven't seen or used the n9), please elaborate.

Re:Good luck (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579867)

The N9's Harmattan is basically Maemo 6, only without GTK and the "Aegis" security system in place. It was "MeeGo-compatible" due to sharing a number of platform APIs and including Qt, but not MeeGo due to lacking some APIs MeeGo had as well as being DEB based and not RPM based.

Just build Android support (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579499)

Just build support for Android app on it !!!

Maemo/MeeGo has already had a small but dedicated following in europe. A small segment of the population appreciated a full equipped internet device running a full GNU/Linux stack.

Now, the Android-specific kernel stuff have been backported into the main kernel tree, so it's possible to run android runtimes over a default kernel, so therefore including maemo if its copy of the kernel is a recent enough.

So it should be possible to make a "GNU+Android"/Linux phone. That would add the strong android ecosystem, over the nice&powerful maemo OS, and thus make it much more attractive. Such a combination would definitely sell like hotcakes, at least in Europe, and be rather popular among the technically inclined.

Now they just have to see if their old contacts at the mothership (Nokia) can help them build the hardware. That would be a nice situation for Nokia, collaborate with Jolla to release the phone. The phone is produced under a different brand so it doesn't as strongly compete with the current Nokia line-up, and also it doesn't conflict with nokia's promise to use WinRT on their own-branded phone. And if Maemo proves to be still successful, Nokia could always try to buy back into them.

Re:Good luck (1)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579527)

There are precedents for a newcomer overwhelming the dominant player, or at least gaining significant marketshare, in a given software category. Android has surpassed iOS as the dominant smartphone OS in terms of total deployment. First released in 2004, Nginx gained significant marketshare against Apache, first released in 1995, and even IIS.

N900, Maemo, yadda yadda? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40577923)

Will they provide/assist people with N900 to upgrade their Maemos to Meegos?

KTHXBYE

Something tells me... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40577945)

... they would rather see you translate Jolla as "Lifeboat," rather than "Dinghy."

Re:Something tells me... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578143)

I stuck my 9" dinghy in CmdrTaco's wife's tight pussy. Apparently CmdrTaco's dick is so small that she's still as tight as a virgin.

Re:Something tells me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578343)

9"? How do you live with yourself having one so small? You should just top yourself now and save women from all future disappointment

Re:Something tells me... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578165)

... they would rather see you translate Jolla as "Lifeboat," rather than "Dinghy."

"Lifeboat" tells me that your project is the Titanic and the ship is sinking.

Re:Something tells me... (3, Insightful)

furbearntrout (1036146) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578231)

"Lifeboat" tells me that your project is the Titanic and the ship is sinking.

Actually it's the the Lusitania [wikipedia.org] , and it got torpedoed by Microsoft.

Re:Something tells me... (1)

Znork (31774) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578327)

What, I thought it was a burning platform? At least once Elop got done with his thermite plans.

Re:Something tells me... (1)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579231)

More like the Costa Concordia, skippered by the intrepid Captain Ballmer.

Re:Something tells me... (1)

2Y9D57 (988210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578523)

If they meant lifeboat, they would have called it 'pelastusvene'.

ahahahahah (-1, Redundant)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 2 years ago | (#40577947)

Nokia, MS, and MOSAID are gonna have shit fits. This is *exactly* the sort of thing they (especially MS) were trying to prevent with all the lawsuits and patent deals after all. Let's keep at it until Balmer's colon feels like sandpaper to him!

"Jolla" means "dinghy" in Finnish? (1, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40577965)

What does "Nokia" mean - "lie back and think of Finland"?

Re:"Jolla" means "dinghy" in Finnish? (3, Informative)

Tancred (3904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578071)

The company started as a pulp mill in 1865 in the city of Nokia, whose name might be from the word for sable, marten or beaver.

Re:"Jolla" means "dinghy" in Finnish? (2)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578253)

The implication in the name of the creature seems to be that it had a soot-coloured (i.e. black) fur. The word "noki" means smut or soot.
The town's emblem is this black creature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nokia.vaakuna.svg

If you're a Finn, or in Finland, then you might be interested in an exhibition in Vapriikki museum in Tampere which documents the history of Nokia very thoroughly. It's either just started, or will start soon. (Disclosure - I am not connected to it apart from the fact that they are regular indirect clients of my company.)

Joking aside... (1)

F69631 (2421974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578095)

Nokia is the name of the city where the company was incorporated in 1871.

As for the story... I've been waiting for this to happen. I'd love to see them succeed but I have very hard time imagining that it'll actually happen. I guess their best bet is staying afloat a while and hoping that Nokia decides to buy them back.

Re:"Jolla" means "dinghy" in Finnish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578195)

Nokia is also partitive plural of word noki (= soot) - and only soot is left after Elop burned down the platform.

Nice joke... but it isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578273)

There is no plural form for noki in the Finnish language. The closest one would be equivalent to "[lots of/some/a bit of/etc.] soot", in which the word is "nokea".

Re:Nice joke... but it isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578333)

Pfft, it is like vesi/vesiä noki/nokia (http://suomisanakirja.fi/noki).

Re:Nice joke... but it isn't. (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578467)

There is no plural form for noki in the Finnish language.

Why not? I believe the plural base form is "noet".

Re:Nice joke... but it isn't. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579155)

>> There is no plural form for noki in the Finnish language.

> Why not? I believe the plural base form is "noet".

First, a killer beaver (almost can see the laser rays coming from the eyes, nice vector btw).

Now, the discussion about plural. Of a Finnish word.

It's looking like Monty Python a lot... what next? Discussing whether Nokia is doomed or just resting?

Re:"Jolla" means "dinghy" in Finnish? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579639)

It also means "Jewel" in Spanish.

Does me ego even work? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40577989)

I was testing mobile software last summer. no one in our test group wanted to test the me ego phones. they crashed all the time

Chairs (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578007)

Over in Redmond, Washington, millions of chairs cried out in terror as a sweaty monkey realised that all that money he's spend was in vain.

It is actually a good idea (3, Insightful)

miknix (1047580) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578055)

If they start selling some phones, who else better than Nokia to buy the company?

Re:It is actually a good idea (2)

Jahf (21968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578153)

At this point? Nearly anyone.

Re:It is actually a good idea (3, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578369)

I dunno, maybe they should buy Nokia?

Just another project to die on the vine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578063)

When you can't get MS to make headway in a market with their near endless resources and you got a leader from a few years ago on the verge of faltering today you know the market isn't ready for another player.

How long until their market share exceeds Nokia's? (5, Funny)

micheas (231635) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578083)

12 months?

Re:How long until their market share exceeds Nokia (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578129)

By the time they get their MeeGo phones to market? Probably as soon as the first phone sells.

Re:How long until their market share exceeds Nokia (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578175)

That was funny! Thanks for the laugh!

long live the n900! (3, Interesting)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578161)

Please please please please buy the IP on the n900 hardware...don't let such a good design vanish....

Re:long live the n900! (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578199)

The N900's only real stellar point is the slide mechanism for the keyboard. Mine's probably been opened and closed more than a thousand times in the last 2.5 years and it's still rock solid.

The rest could be readily re-done, possibly thinner and better (see the N950.)

Re:long live the n900! (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578447)

The rest could be readily re-done, possibly thinner and better (see the N950.)

The N950 isn't better. One of the reasons Nokia choose not to market it directly to the public is that it is flimsy enough that carriers would be turned off by something guaranteed to raise a lot of support problems with customers.

Re:long live the n900! (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578473)

I think they chose not to market it directly to the public for other reasons. It was rejected by the carriers as being too flimsy, but I haven't heard anything about that despite knowing a lot of people with N950s who use them on a daily basis in lieu of their N900s.

Moot point though. The problem there was the hinge. It was still thinner and larger.

Re:long live the n900! (2)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578951)

I'd love an updated version of the n900: thinner, lighter, maybe bigger screen, but just tweaks to the original. A compass would be nice :) The n900 to me is a great piece of hardware. I've yet to see another phone that has all the features of the n900 so far. The n950 is close on features and functionality, I still prefer my n900.
With Nokia abandoning both the hardware (see n950 as the new direction) and software, I was resigned to something less when my n900 gave out. But I still have hope!

Re:long live the n900! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578215)

I do prefer Maemo 5 over IOS and Android and Windows Phone 7. I tried em all but its just not as fast. And I hate how 'multitasking' is implemented on all of those phones. They should just copy the task switching from Maemo since that is where they all get beaten hands down.

Re:long live the n900! (1)

alantus (882150) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578917)

You have to be kidding, the n900 has a terrible design, the whole thing appears to be upside down.
The microusb port is surface mounted, its so delicate that it comes right off unless you are not extremely careful.
Additionally, the port is on the top, that means that its hard to use while charging because a cable pops from the top and puts additional stress on it. The battery lasts less than a day, so you have to charge it even more frequently.
The unlock and headphone connector is at the bottom, it should be on the top, the whole thing is upside down.
Besides all that, the thing is too thick, and the camera protrudes, when you put it on a desk its not flat.

If you want a good design look at the E71.

I love my n900! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579121)

It is fortunate you are only one persons opinion.

N900 the best phone on the planet.

bar none!

Re:long live the n900! (1)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579143)

I've never used it in that orientation except when talking on the phone, and then only when I can't gt my headset out quick enough. I don't like holding any smart phone to my face, so I'll likely use a headset for any phone. For landscape use, you comments make no sense. And the usb charging port has given me no troubles and never come out while plugged in...as far as being thick, feels solid to me, which I like. could be thinner, but OK as is. Camera lens with good cover is great. It's not flat but it doesn't rock on a flat surface either, so who cares...
So, design is great to me, maybe you should try it in landscape more, all the buttons are accessible with one hand for me that way, and make sense.

Re:long live the n900! (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579657)

And the usb charging port has given me no troubles and never come out while plugged in.

Then you are lucky. Many thousands of people have had issues with the USB port breaking, just take a look across the blogging world or talk.maemo.org. Your USB port might still come undone no matter how gentle you use the device, though even if the product is no longer under warranty it may still be fairly cheap to send it into Nokia for servicing (I paid 30 euro here in Romania last year).

Re:long live the n900! (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579177)

It seems you didn't understand the N900 was designed as a tablet and to be used in landscape mode.

That way all connections are on the side and work perfectly well.

Re:long live the n900! (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579583)

As an N900 user, I say they should NOT release another N900, they should release something that's like an N900 but BETTER.

Re-design the USB port so it cant come loose and render the phone as good as dead. Improve the battery life. Give it an up-to-date browser and rendering engine. Have less closed-source software on the device (especially in the lower level libraries).

Add a maps app with better (and more up-to-date) maps and better features (e.g. easy way to search for specific streets/landmarks/etc and get walking directions to that location)

Support missing features like Cell Broadcast SMS and the various WiFi encryption standards.

Re:long live the n900! (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579673)

Add a maps app with better (and more up-to-date) maps and better features (e.g. easy way to search for specific streets/landmarks/etc and get walking directions to that location)

Not an official app, but the popular Mappero application for N900 does address searching and car/bicycle/foot routing.

Angels and Lawyers (0)

grumling (94709) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578167)

The investors better have a very strong stomach. With the group's prior access to Nokia's and Microsoft's patent portfolio it won't take much to see Jolla sued right out of existence before they even announce a product.

Re:Angels and Lawyers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578235)

The investors better have a very strong stomach. With the group's prior access to Nokia's and Microsoft's patent portfolio it won't take much to see Jolla sued right out of existence before they even announce a product.

No, not really.
They'll have to get a licence and pay royalties for any patented technology they use, some of which will be under FRAND and some of which won't be.
If they don't ask for licences and pay royalties, then you could expect someone to ask them if they wouldn't mind paying, via some legal means.

Re:Angels and Lawyers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578457)

With the group's prior access to Nokia's and Microsoft's patent portfolio it won't take much to see Jolla sued right out of existence before they even announce a product.

I know this is a silly question, but you do realise that patents are published and available to everyone, right?

You've got until... (5, Insightful)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578283)

...my unreplaceable one-of-a-kind Nokia N900 becomes irreparable, to come up with a phone worthy as its successor. It seems pretty solid, so I'll give you a few years. (fingers crossed)

The mobile market definitely needs a full gnu/linux phone. In fact, the N900 follows on from a privileged few mobile devices with desktop-like capability - the psion 3a, psion 5mx, Nokia 9500 communicator, Nokia E90 (only just). And it was only really the Psions that didn't shy from giving you the full OS experience just because it was a mobile device. Why can't my mobile device have a full fledged file-manager with drag-and-drop capability or a desktop where I can place regularly used files as well as applications?

But maybe I'm mad - apparently you don't need these things on the desktop either.

Re:You've got until... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578877)

"my unreplaceable one-of-a-kind Nokia N900 becomes irreparable"

It's a tool. Buy spare(s)?

Directors and core professionals believe in MeeGo (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578305)

Those great people believe in bright future for MeeGo based phones. Microsoft also believed in bright future of MeeGo, so they spent billions of dollars to kill it. Windows phones are disaster: non-existant or buggy software (I can not download more than a dosen books on my new Windows phone - if I do that I have to reinstall Kindle App to get access to my books).

As an n900 owner I say.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578381)

SIGN ME UP! I love my n900 - using an android phone feels like being in jail compared. The iphone feels like a north korean jail. PLEASE let this startup release something good! I'm wondering how they will when Nokia holds such a massive patent bat. I guess we'll see

This is GREAT (1)

attah (1217454) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578511)

This really made me happy to the very core of my being! Sign me up to buy the first phone you make, no matter if none of my two N9s are dead by then. Wonder if they take smaller, albeit non-trivial, investments... I actually wouldn't even get mad if they failed and lost "my" money. At least they would have tried to do the right thing. When they get some traction i would love to come and work for Jolla, but for now I guess they'll keep the team pretty small still.

gtk+ and qt don't mix well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578607)

I liked the all C, Gnome, and Debian style of maemo. I was hoping for a properly done C, Gnome style API for phone and 3G. Mixing it with Moblin, qt and C++ ruined the purity in my opinion, and the appeal to program.

Re:gtk+ and qt don't mix well (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578945)

Writing apps in C and GTK? No thank you, that is way to complex for many simplish apps. I've written a Qt Quick / QML app recently for the N9. I honestly couldn't remember when it was the last time I had so much fun writing a GUI as with Qt Quick. Very easy, excellent data binding and spot-on for the task. It truly is perfect for those quick, heavily animated, finger friendly and asynchronous GUIs we've com to expect on mobiles. For the harder bits or more low-level system access the bridge with Qt / C++ is easy.

Re:gtk+ and qt don't mix well (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579113)

and in other words, maybe this is what the 'year of linux on the desktop' is going to be : linux on the (mobile) desktop. That would be awesome :)

In 2 years: Jolla buys Nokia (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578701)

In 2 years:
Jolla buys Nokia

Could be the next Intel (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578809)

Hey, if a few former Fairchild Semiconductor employees can form Intel and go on to take over the world, I don't see any reason to doubt a bunch of former Nokia employees could have a big impact on the cell phone market. Of course the odds of any startup just avoiding liquidation are very slim, so I don't recomend sinking money into them, but this is a very fast moving, immature market, so there's huge potental there.

Re:Could be the next Intel (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578893)

Hey, if a few former Fairchild Semiconductor employees can form Intel and go on to take over the world, I don't see any reason to doubt a bunch of former Nokia employees could have a big impact on the cell phone market. Of course the odds of any startup just avoiding liquidation are very slim, so I don't recomend sinking money into them, but this is a very fast moving, immature market, so there's huge potental there.

it's like the third offshoot from Nokia, that's aiming to make phones.

Benefon actually made a lot of phones too(they were the first with tetris on a phone, first with t9, had dual sim phone ages ago and so forth), but their heyday went a decade ago.

the question for this new venture is if they can scoop up enough money to actually produce the hw properly. there has been literally dozens of OS only producing companies which amounted to pretty much nothing.

Re:Could be the next Intel (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579623)

The biggest problem they will face is getting the hardware to run their new OS on, especially things like cellular chipsets.

Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579065)

> Jolla (Finnish for 'dinghy')

Thank you very much, as I don't understand Finnish it would be very difficult for me to associate Jolla with dinghy.

Also, mind you, I speak Portuguese not English natively. You may find it curious that "Jolla" sounds like a rubber brand, while dinghy looks like willy.

So, I'll just assume Jolla is for the dinghy, which makes much more sense than being BRAINDAMAGED AND (*breath*) using unknown words.

Have a nice night. And don't forget the Jolla!

Wither the Nokia Microsoft deal? (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579259)

From the financial chart [yahoo.com] , it doesn't look as if the Nokia-Microsoft deal [networkworld.com] has produced much results. That a company would abandon its own OS in favor of a rival companies just beggers belief. Yet another case of death-by-microsoft?

Re:Wither the Nokia Microsoft deal? (1)

Naffer (720686) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579307)

Their market share was in free-fall well before the Microsoft deal. Their own OS wasn't selling smartphones.

Re:Wither the Nokia Microsoft deal? (2)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579579)

Then it went into a power dive. Remember that they were still the number one supplier of handsets in the world the month Elop was brought in.

I will buy two (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579691)

I'm tired of all the little bugs I can't fix with my iPhone.

Yeah sure poser (-1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579721)

I'm tired of all the little bugs I can't fix with my iPhone.

If you had any technical ability you could simply jailbreak and fix any app you wanted.

You cannot do that with Android.

A *real* hacker would prefer iOS because you can ACTUALLY hack any app in the system, instead of having to replace them wholesale.

Wrong OS... (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579737)

I admire the determination, but there's just no way to get MeeGo up to speed compared to Android, iOS and WP7 at this point API wise...

They should have started with an OS that was not too far behind and also had a strong core following - WebOS. Someone really caring about and producing good new WebOS hardware could I think survive as a niche player, possibly even growing to more.

Re:Wrong OS... (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579793)

there's just no way to get MeeGo up to speed compared to Android, iOS and WP7 at this point API wise

Since you're so familiar with the details, care explaining how? Some detail, if you would. I'm curious as to how Qt 5 and the rest of Mer (the MeeGo-type core Linux platform they're using) is deficient, API wise.

Or is this yet another empty implication?

They should have started with an OS that was not too far behind and also had a strong core following - WebOS.

So they should have gone with an OS they were totally unfamiliar with, rather than one they were familiar with... why?

Re:Wrong OS... (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579987)

Since you're so familiar with the details, care explaining how?

Ok, to start with, simply compare at a high level the modules/frameworks each SDK offers:

QT 4.7 modules [nokia.com]

Compared with WebOS [palm.com]

Where are the higher level frameworks in QT? Perhaps they are in Mer, but I could find no reference for that, which indicates there's not much Mer there.

If you want to talk about competing with the other existing mobile OS'es, just look for anything remotely like AVFoundation in IOS for control over data from cameras or other media...

Mobile programming these days is a LOT more than just being able to draw or do simple animations or being able to hit SQLLite.

Or is this yet another empty implication?

That would imply I ever had any "empty implications", whatever the hell that means.

Is that something like when you are not a mobile developer and you cast aspirations of those who are when they try to tell you how things really work?

So they should have gone with an OS they were totally unfamiliar with

Yes, if they actually wanted to have meaning in the market instead of chasing their tails. Instead the prediction of their demise is sadly all too certain to make.

They could have folded some aspects of MeeGo into the underlying WebOS infrastructure, but Qt 5 is ANCIENT compared to modern mobile OS's. They will get nowhere with this little vanity project, which makes me sad indeed given the effort they will undoubtedly sink into it. I despise wasted potential.

Jolla does not mean a rescue boat - too small (3, Informative)

hkultala (69204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579885)

I'm a finn,so I know what "Jolla" means.

Jolla means a very small sailing boat - not meant for rescue, but meant for people who want to go sailing alone on a very small boat.
(who either cannot afford bigger boat or just likes very small boats)

Jollas cant be used as rescue boats, they are too small for that.

Just deliver something like the N900 (1)

Svartormr (692822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580005)

Wide screen and physical keyboard with max freqencies so it can go on all mobile networks.

And Debian underneath the interface.

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