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fMRI Lets Israeli Student Control Robot In France With His Mind

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the want-to-do-this-right-now dept.

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MrSeb writes "An Israeli student has become the first person to meld his mind and movements with a robot surrogate, or avatar. Situated inside an fMRI scanner in Israel, Tirosh Shapira has controlled a humanoid robot some 2000 kilometers (1250 miles) away, at the Béziers Technology Institute in France, using just his mind. The system must be trained so that a particular "thought" (fMRI blood flow pattern) equates to a certain command. In this case, when Shapira thinks about moving forward or backward, the robot moves forward or backward; when Shapira thinks about moving one of his hands, the robot surrogate turns in that direction. To complete the loop, the robot has a camera on its head, with the image being displayed in front of Shapira. Speaking to New Scientist, it sounds like Shapira really became one with the robot: 'It was mind-blowing. I really felt like I was there, moving around,' he says. 'At one point the connection failed. One of the researchers picked the robot up to see what the problem was and I was like, "Oi, put me down!"'"

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I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578633)

Thought that was always just the Aussies. Huh.

The story is interesting, although somehow not that exciting as this kind of advancement is...necessary and expected.

When we can actually upload data to our brains and have thoughts translated to a phonetic language...then we will have something that will move mankind forward generations.

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578679)

It is short for 'Oi Vey'

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578683)

When Israelis say it it's spelled "Oy" and is usually followed by "vey!"

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580857)

... and then "my life already!".

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578733)

I believe the name of the person who lifted the robot was "Oi"

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579001)

Thought that was always just the Aussies. Huh.

chavs, not australians.
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/guidos-bros-douchebags-fratboys-bros-different-culture-same-bro.jpg [wordpress.com]

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579215)

More Aussies than chavs. Aussie aussie aussie, oi oi oi. etc.

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579071)

What he really said was "Oy vey, put me down!"

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579547)

Kiwis too, just so you know.

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580431)

Perhaps he visited to Australia, or is a fan of Aussie TV, or has friends from other countries, and picked it up.

I've picked up colloquialisms from visiting a place (eg Stockholm), watching TV (eg UK), or just being around people in the US from different backgrounds (eg Russia).

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40583191)

So do the Japanese, usually as "oi! oi!" more than just alone. Used in Spanish too, though "oya" & "oye" are more common. It's not an uncommon exclamation for getting attention, though it's in Yiddish it's more of an expression of dismay.

Re:I didn't know Israelis said 'Oi' (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#40589951)

Thought that was always just the Aussies. Huh.

The story is interesting, although somehow not that exciting as this kind of advancement is...necessary and expected.

When we can actually upload data to our brains and have thoughts translated to a phonetic language...then we will have something that will move mankind forward generations.

Science and technology do not generally proceed by paradigm-shifting-breakthroughs, but by incremental improvements.

Old news (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578639)

Israel has been mind-controlling America for a long time.

Re:Old news (4, Funny)

NettiWelho (1147351) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578651)

Israel has been mind-controlling America for a long time.

But now with computers!

what's next (4, Interesting)

ozduo (2043408) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578705)

mind melding with your partners sex toy

Re:what's next (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580279)

mind melding with your partners sex toy

Don't worry about the moderation. 10 years from now it will be meta-modded +5 Psychic.

Re:what's next (3, Funny)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580563)

I can't help but thinking the first person to do this will be thinking, "It's dark in here!"

Re:what's next (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581371)

we could put a little light on the end, but depending on where the toy is, you may not like what you see.

Re:what's next (2)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#40589969)

I can't help but thinking the first person to do this will be thinking, "It's dark in here!"

You'll just have to employ the Doom 3 duck tape mod and wrap a torch to it.

2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578729)

I'd like to know where Slashdot was when we did this in 2010.

Re:2010 (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578829)

Selling out the last vestiges of their journalistic integrity in exchange for page views.

Re:2010 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578839)

-Slashdot
-Forefront of technology news

pick one

Occupation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578735)

That's nice. Now why don't we use that technology to think the occupation out of existence?

Next Step (4, Interesting)

Phrogman (80473) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578749)

is to combine this technology with remotely piloted drones, spy-copters, and eventually combat robots. Then I can imagine a military formation formed up to receive orders, being told they were going to war, and then told to go to it - and no one needs to move :P

Re:Next Step (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579107)

If such technology existed, why would that be better than a keyboard and mouse or a gamecontroller as an interface? And using my extensive experience in an environment where they have been used for "combative" purposes I ask: why is a huge latency desirable? And how is a human better than an aimbot?

Human lives are cheaper than advanced combat robots (with or without AI). The notion that no sacrifice in blood has to be made in war might be alluring to democratic politicians and their constituencies, but the sooner democracies in the world stop initiating wars the better the world will be off. Thus I am happy to say that due to economics drone armies will not conquer the world*, either under the pretext of humane intervention or blatant imperialism.**

* Conquest is long lived occupation (with repression) not mere military victory. The technological saturation point of destruction has already been reached, no further advancement is required.
** If you read between the lines of this comment a "Fuck the USA" can be spotted.

Re:Next Step (1)

schroedingers_hat (2449186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40582687)

Posting to remove misclicked mod.

Re:Next Step (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579233)

I imagine some AI needs to be developed anyway, latency and all that.

Re:Next Step (4, Insightful)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579267)

The only reason you think of a military formation is that modern society is so far removed from necessary physical interactions with nature. Why military? This could be farmers controlling robots which gather crops.... computer connections are cheaper than transporting people in actual physical space.

Re:Next Step (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40583219)

The only reason you think of a military formation is that modern society is so far removed from necessary physical interactions with nature.

And your solution is to have even farmers interact with the earth only remotely?
No, the reason to think of the military is because the military benefits most from removing its people from where the action is.

Re:Next Step (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40587461)

And your solution is to have even farmers interact with the earth only remotely?

Obviously. If people would like to interact with nature, they would. It's not like we are choosing to do what we hate. The only reason we romanticize nature is because we are so removed from it. In reality, survival is struggle against nature. The only reason we are able to forget that is because we have gotten so good at it.

Re:Next Step (2)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580465)

The first money maker will be a Dutch sex-bot, remotely operated by a hooker from Amsterdam.

Re:Next Step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581047)

A quake like interface (keyboard + mouse) is going to beat the sh*t out of this solution: more precise, less lag.

Re:Next Step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40584767)

You are not the only one to think of this. Saw it at ICRA 2010 in Anchorage: http://www.akce.name/blog/?page_id=13 (EEG-controlled drones)

Not the first (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578821)

LOL @ "first person to meld his mind and movements with a robot surrogate".

But i guess since the media is the israelis bitch, they can cntrl-alt-dlt it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface

One step closer to being the Ghost in the Shell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40578841)

Now we just need to work on the robot bodies.

Interesting (5, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578909)

Most of the comments so far seem to confuse EEG-based interfaces with fMRI-based ones, or local with telerobotics, but no great surprise there. The politics is sad, but again only to be expected.

We still can't do true mind-control of robots (there's no way to read minds yet, we can only say "pattern X equals action Y", which is not the same thing) but this is an interesting development to say the least. Think in terms of medicine. Robotic interfaces in surgery are typically data gloves or joystick, plus goggles, but muscles have poor granularity of control, data gloves and joysticks reduce this further, and goggles are incredibly low-res. If they get to the point where surgeons are limited only by the precision of their mind, you're looking at a major revolution.

Re:Interesting (4, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579009)

The bigger issue, it seems to be, is feedback. Sure, you can train the machine to "read" certain patterns with attempts to move the arm, and potentially create very advanced interfaces, but the interface is purely one-way: there is no way to tell the human he has "touched" something. Cameras work to some extent to provide visual feedback, but more advanced and more delicate control requires something beyond just that. We need to find a way to provide neural feedback to replicate the sense of touch, at the very least. Sight can be provided easily (without requiring a neural interface), as can hearing, and smell is largely unneeded, but for an arm, touch feedback is essential.

Re:Interesting (4, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579203)

Agreed. Force-feedback is a start, albeit a crude one, but it's not enough. It might be possible to electrically stimulate individual pressure nerves to give a sense of touch, since nerves are electrical by nature, but you're talking an amazing number of electrodes to get any detail and some major technological problems to get it to stimulate the right nerves.

For something that is compressible/expandable to some degree along only certain directions, you can simulate that with pneumatics. It's essentially the same as force-feedback (you apply pressure in one direction, something applies force in the opposite direction) but instead of having one or two motors, you can have a crude surface where each point applies different feedback. Mechanical devices of this kind aren't complex, require no new technology to be invented, and would be in the price range of a decent facility - I assume you don't hear of them because there's simply no scientific or industrial application outside of perhaps telerobotic pottery-making and there's not really a huge market for that, and the increase in the number of variables that could be fed back to the user is still going to be extremely small - an increase from 2 to 12 sounds reasonable - but the cost would be substantially more than 6x that of a joystick. The cost/benefit isn't there.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40609561)

There's always a market in teledildonics

Re:Interesting (4, Informative)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579277)

This interface doesn't read the neural impulses. It does the detection by determining which parts of the brain receive more blood.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580741)

And it's just not going to work. To stimulate small nerves or very small sets of nerves precisely, you need very small electrodes. Small electrodes have very high impedances and very high current densities, because they're electrically triggering what are actually very small chemical sensory areas by flooding the area with electricity. And current density that high causes electrolysis, which is...... really, really bad to do inside brain tissue.

Re:Interesting (2)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580527)

(there's no way to read minds yet, we can only say "pattern X equals action Y",

But isn't this what you are doing when you learn how to do something physical like play a guitar or pianno, or tennis, etc? Your mind equates how you move your fingers or body to a result or external action on your environment and you say to yourself, that's good or that's bad and you store the information. So now you know that if your fingers do X, you get Y note from the instrument, or you hit the ball. As far as I can tell, and I'm not a neurobiologist or whatever discipline studies this, but as far as I can tell, that is what creating muscle memory is (in terms of being able to easily repeat something you practice that is). The more you do X to get Y the easier it is for you to retrieve and use that data and required action.

Temporal resolution (4, Interesting)

Harvey Manfrenjenson (1610637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40582927)

I don't think an fMRI interface is going to be very useful for controlling robots, because of the issue of temporal resolution. I think you can only acquire an fMRI image once every couple of seconds (at most). The above poster referred to the "granularity" issue with data gloves and joysticks, but it's a thousandfold worse with fMRI and probably always will be.

A better choice might be magnetoencephalography (MEG). Nearly instantaneous "image" acquisition, and as a side benefit, there are no health risks to the user (fMRI bombards you with intense magnetic fields and no one really knows if that's safe).

Don't need thought control to feel you are there (5, Interesting)

caseih (160668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40578995)

Ask any good backhoe operator about how he operates the machine and you'll find he doesn't think about the mechanics of his arms and feet interacting with the control levers. His brain abstracts all that and treats the hoe as an extension of his body. Once you've been trained how to move the controls, you stop thinking about it. You just dig.

A similar feeling could be generated simply by video goggles and a joystick. In fact when I fly my airplane using a video downlink, it feels like "I'm there." Seeing yourself on the ground is a bit weird! I can look down at something, turn the plane to look at something all without really thinking about what my hands need to do, since they've been trained and my brain just does that automatically in response to what I want to do. This is true of normal RC airplane flying as well. People often ask me how I can remember to move my fingers in the opposite direction as the plane is flying towards me but the truth is I don't think about it at all very much. I just move the airplane where I want it to be.

The exciting goal of thought control, though, is obviously to enable people who don't have the use of limbs or fingers to control and interact with robotics, such as an artificial limb, as if it is part of the body. And as the test subject can attest, that's pretty much what happens with training. Now if they can just get the sensor equipment to weight less than a few tons and not draw metal objects towards it...

Sweet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579033)

Nearly there till hot blue alien sex.....come on you where all thinking it....

Passport (4, Interesting)

jamesh (87723) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579035)

If you are in Israel with a physical (but virtual) presence device in France, do you need a passport?

Re:Passport (0)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579089)

More importantly, should all French robots now be searched in the streets, in case they are mind-controlled by middle-eastern terrorists?

Re:Passport (1, Flamebait)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579285)

Yes, yes. We get it. You both are not antisemitic. You are anti-israeli. Or better, you "disagree with some policies of the Israeli government." Really, we do believe you. No need to get defensive and start a flame war about it.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580281)

Very funny. Like no one made a fuss about apartheid South Africa. And they weren't even a major ally of the US.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580341)

Very funny. Like no one made a fuss about apartheid South Africa. And they weren't even a major ally of the US.

Hey, come on.... we're trying to shame people into supporting Israel by calling them anti-semitic..... get with the program.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40587445)

Shame? No I don't think racists can be shamed. And anti-antisemitism is racism. And those two posters were anti-Semitic. I was informing them that the BS line that every anti-semite uses as an excuses to continue with the their antisemitic BS is just that. It's completely transparent. The only people agreeing with them are the one in their own circle jerk. And the only reason they think there are so many of them is because they on the internet which connects people who are far away. Otherwise, in any normal company of people all of these "I am anti-Israel... and please, please, please, I am not anti-semitic" garbage would get you the title you deserve: demented. Please, spare me all the arguments. I get them. I just don't buy them. I call bull shit.

Re:Passport (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#40590087)

I don't buy the "if you criticise anything at all about Israel then you're anti-semitic" argument, myself.

I admire Israel in most ways, but I still think they need to keep a lid on the extreme religious right wingers... And a lot of Israelis would agree with me..

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40591177)

I don't buy the "if you criticise anything at all about Israel then you're anti-semitic" argument, myself.

That's nice. I didn't make that argument, however. I made the argument that the 2 posters in question were anti-semitic and their criticism of Israel was just an outlet for their antisemitism. Actually, that was my judgement of their posts. I didn't really make any arguments to back up my claim... nor do I have to when I am being snide. And I was obviously being snide.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40597567)

"normal company" = people afraid of losing their friends/jobs

I am not afraid because I am AC. Here are some similarities between Apartheid SA and Israel. Feel free to argue or not.

Apartheid
Institutionalized use of torture
A minority (Whites/Jews) having complete political and military control over the majority* group (Blacks/Arabs) living in the nation.
That minority claiming it is necessary in order to preserve its "way of life".
Labeling all people who fight against this situation as "terrorists".
Division of majority areas into geographically disparate regions with strict controls of movement.

Now explain again why criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic?

*I'm not completely sure Arabs are a majority in Israel/Palestine combined, its close to 50/50.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598251)

Now explain again why criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic?

Didn't say it was. I made statement about 2 individuals -- not about a general concept. Those two were criticizing Israel as an outlet for their antisemitism. In fact, I made no statement about criticism of Israel in general. Israel, for example, has a high road traffic fatality rate. If you criticize their traffic laws, I don't think that would be antisemitic. In fact, claiming that criticism of Israel's traffic safety is antisemitic would be kooky. I just don't buy the assertion that the two posters to whom I responded were genuinely concerned with anything other than a way to act out on their racist tendencies. I don't buy it. Live with it.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598315)

What information, apart from the posts themselves (which criticize Israel), did you use to deduce that the posters were anti-Semitic?

The only information other readers have is (A) two posters made posts criticizing Israel, and (B) you call the anti-Semitic and refuse to explain why you think this. The only rational conclusion for a reader is that either you believe that criticizing Israel is anti-Semetic, or you post public claims about other people based on private information that you are not willing to share with the rest of us, in which case, could you please keep these claims to yourself?

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598411)

What information, apart from the posts themselves (which criticize Israel), did you use to deduce that the posters were anti-Semitic?

As I mentioned in another post, my judgement. Fully rational argument is only possible in the presence of perfect information. In the absence of full information (as is always the case with any individual posting on the Internet ), one must make estimates of truth value of statements, motivations, emotions, etc. based on one's best guess. And from the manner of those posts I judge the posters to be more concerned with finding an outlet for their racism/antisemitism than with any actual facts about Israel. In fact, you can often reserve judgement. But in their case the antisemitism screams so loudly that I feel very comfortable with my best-guess estimate.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599329)

You are misunderstanding the nature of discussion and debate.

I agree that a person must make their own decisions based on imperfect information, but if you cannot explain the reasons for the claims that you make, then it adds nothing to the debate. In fact it detracts from the debate because people react emotionally to terms like "anti-semite" even when they know that in this context they carry little information content (i.e. they only convey the judgement of one slashdotter out of thousands).

If you were actually in a position to act as an arbiter of other people's motivations (e.g. within a private social situation) then you it would serve some purpose to state your opinion of another person's motivations. However, on Slashdot you are just one of many posters, and so unless you have some specific argument to make, "this guy sounds suspicious" is just noise. And therefore I must ask you again, very politely, to "shut up".

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601271)

You are misunderstanding the nature of discussion and debate.

Given how simple the concepts are, you should think twice before throwing this accusation out. Really.

if you cannot explain the reasons for the claims that you make,

I have explained it. You just haven't accepted the explanation. Which is fine. Reasonable people can disagree.

people react emotionally to terms like "anti-semite"

Well, I think people also react emotionally to antisemitic behavior itself. And to racist behavior. Those are not rational behaviors. They can't be reasoned away. Let me draw an analogy. Let's say your friend has a scar. And a bully at a play yard keeps talking about how ugly he is because of that scar. Even if your friend does well on a test, makes a brilliant observation, sings a beautiful song... the bully still manages to use that scar as a way to insult your friend and to tie it somehow to your friend's accomplishments in order to make it seem like that scar is all that your friend is. Can you argue with such a bully? He isn't wrong. The friend may have the scar. But do you want to spend your energy debating its size? Or its importance to everything your friend does? If you don't lack judgement, you simply realize that the bully is a bully. And that his response is emotional and, as such, it can be labeled bullying and the fact that the scar is actually there doesn't make it any less bullying. You don't need to prove that his bullying is bullying despite the scar being present. The proof is in the pudding.

And therefore I must ask you again, very politely, to "shut up".

As I mentioned, there is no such thing as politely asking someone to "shut up". If I see idiots mocking scientific accomplishments because they come from Israel and the said idiots don't like some unrelated Israel's behavior, I'll keep mocking it. Because it's funny. Ymmv, of course.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599517)

You are misunderstanding the nature of discussion and debate.

I agree that a person must make their own decisions based on imperfect information, but if you cannot explain the reasons for the claims that you make, then it adds nothing to the debate. In fact it detracts from the debate because people react emotionally to terms like "anti-semite" even when they know that in this context they carry little information content (i.e. they only convey the judgement of one slashdotter out of thousands).

If you were actually in a position to act as an arbiter of other people's motivations (e.g. within a private social situation) then you it would serve some purpose to state your opinion of another person's motivations. However, on Slashdot you are just one of many posters, and so unless you have some specific argument to make, "this guy sounds suspicious" is just noise. And therefore I must ask you again, very politely, to "shut up".

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598419)

could you please keep these claims to yourself?

You know that being polite about saying "shut up" doesn't actually make you more polite, right? It just makes you a prick.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598471)

And since I am in a good mood, I'll give you a third reply... You do enjoy thinking rationally, so you'll appreciate someone poking holes in your reason... since that informs you, right? So... this:

...The only rational conclusion for a reader is that either you believe...

isn't even remotely accurate. The logically consistent statement would have been "...One possible conclusion for a reader is that either you believe..."

Re:Passport (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580903)

Given the succession of increasingly corrupt loons running the country since the transition to "democracy" they were probably right not to.

Re:Passport (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580343)

nice passive aggressive trolling, asshole.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40587447)

Ok, let me remove the passive then. Since THAT offends you. Eat shit and die, racist.

Re:Passport (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40596911)

I am Jewish (by origin, not by their shitheaded religion), and I think, government of Israel is a bunch of racist, ethnocentric theocrats that deserve nothing better than a kick in the nuts.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598201)

There is nothing uncommon about being jewish and being antisemitic. In fact, it's one of the oldest stories in the Western history. So "I am jewish" does not in any way whatsoever prove that you are not antisemitic. I am not saying that you are antisemitic. But I am saying that what offer as the proof that you are not does not rise up.

Re:Passport (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598505)

Actually no, it's not possible to be Jewish and antisemitic. There are certain Jews who treat any attacks against themselves as antisemitism, and they should just shut up because it's stupid.

Re:Passport (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 2 years ago | (#40614155)

Actually no, it's not possible to be Jewish and antisemitic.

That's a laugh. Of course, it is. It's very, very common, in fact.

Re:Passport (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 2 years ago | (#40590001)

If you are in Israel with a physical (but virtual) presence device in France, do you need a passport?

Yes, in the same way that when I access slashdot from the UK I need a fucking American visa and have to anally probe myself for explosives.

Brain vs. mind (2)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579053)

Shouldn't that be brain instead of mind?

Re:Brain vs. mind (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40579193)

No. Using the word 'mind' simply indicates that the brain activity which controls the robot is conscious. So it specifies rather than confuses.

Re:Brain vs. mind (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580087)

I might be conscious, but is the brain activity conscious? Or did you mean that the brain activity was the result of a conscious decision?

A triumph of sci-hype and wishful thinking (1)

RemiT (182856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579219)

Oy! Mind meld, my recto-tectal tract! Functional assertions not withstanding, MRI derived blood flow and oxygen usage patterns are not algorithmically equatable with thought...

Existing MRI scanners are overwhelming auditory assault systems, and I can (in my sf-enthusiast imagination) conceive of no better way of limiting military drone pilot endurance than to link one to a state of the art MRI scanner. As if current Raptor trailer sessions probably don't produce enough "Hellfire" stress, in theory...

Of course, since the pop-sci overlay came first from a reputable sci pub, it must be gospel... Um torah...

Put me DOWN? Heh. Heh. How slow on the uptake do you have to be over 2K Km? The Israeli grad student and his institution clearly won this week's sci-hype contest.

Star Trek: Next Generation. (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579243)

"An Israeli student has become the first person to meld his mind and movements with a robot surrogate, or avatar.

LaForge will be happy to hear this.

US lets Israel gov control drones with it's lobby (0)

Latinhypercube (935707) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579381)

Or even easier, the US gov lets Israel gov control US drones and vast army in Mid-East with it's lobby $$$

Re:US lets Israel gov control drones with it's lob (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40597721)

That's antisemetic! There's no such thing as the Israel Lobby.

Unless you think that the Israel Lobby is a good thing. In which case they're doing a great job!

and everyone but me hated Caprica! (2)

dicobalt (1536225) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579431)

Now you have real school kids controlling real robots in real life with their real minds.

fMRI (2)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579495)

For a moment I thought this was going to be an article about how doctors can now get a clear picture of your brain by analyzing your Facebook profile, reducing the need for a traditional MRI, but somehow costing more.

2000km? (2)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579825)

I'm much less impressed by the 2k distance than the ability to control a device from the mind. The robot could be close to the student or - even better - on him [iron-man like], the achievement would be just as great.

Re:2000km? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580593)

You realise how big an MRI machine is? Assuming you build an exoskeleton big enough to lift one, it would mightily screw with the machine when you start moving it around. Not to mention collecting all the local cutlery.

Re:2000km? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580749)

And do you realize how *LOUD* they are when they are firing? The powerful, high frequency magnetic fields cause noticeable mechanical forces on the superconducting material itself, and the thing goes

  BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG

when it's firing. It's like having your head inside a pot while God hits it with a baseball bat. This is not conducive to fine motor skills in person, much less over a remote link.

Yes, but .... (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40579957)

... you must think in French.

Re:Yes, but .... (1)

arcsimm (1084173) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580337)

Rawhide: Dr. Banzai is using a laser to vaporize a pineal tumor without damaging the parthogenital plate. A subcutaneous microphone will allow the patient to transmit verbal instructions to his own brain.
Observer: Like, "raise my left arm"?
Rawhide: Or "throw the harpoon." People are gonna come from all over. This boy's an Eskimo.

When the robot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40580209)

started building a couple of 20 foot high fences in parallel, laying landmines inbetween, setting up checkpoints and chasing anybody French out... Béziers Technology Institute is now in Israeli Territory.

Re:When the robot (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581291)

Wow you are an idiot. Have you ever been to Israel? Do you even know who the Palestinians are or where that name even comes from? I could rant on I am sure for many paragraphs uselessly, so I'll try to keep it relatively short...until you know our history, come to our country, see the reality on the ground, and educate yourself regarding the problems, please refrain from making misinformed ridiculous comments.

I think you are confused who the occupiers are. You try living somewhere where you are surrounded by people who worship death more than life, fire missiles at you daily in violation of every agreement, and who are caught daily with bombs and weapons at checkpoints. But if you would like to sit in some restaurants in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem every day after you remove the walls and checkpoints, be my guest and see what happens to you or one of your friends or family. You try living in a place where the world is against despite what they've done to your people, what promises were broken, what land was stolen (do you even realize not just historically, but according to international treaties how large Israel "should" be?).

It's sad people rely on propaganda and are compelled to constantly moan about a place they have never been. Perhaps it is some addiction to supporting the underdog, but sad when you can't even realize who is the real underdog. My country produces more technology and brain power than almost anywhere in the world, and we try to live peacefully. We had to work hard to resurrect our country that was destroyed and ravaged by war many times, only to have foreigners and squatters tell us what is what. Even my Arab neighbors who actually live in Israel realize this...

Please find something else to troll the internet about.

The other direction would be more interesting ... (3, Interesting)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40580745)

. . . how about a robot controlling a human with its mind . . . ? Now that would be definitely more interesting, and would foster more vivacious cocktail party talk.

Re:The other direction would be more interesting . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581335)

No need. We already have TV news for that.

Belligerence (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581023)

How can France let anyone with an Israeli background, acting from Israel, play around with weapons? Sounds mad.

Was he allowed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40581317)

Was he allowed to shoot someone or blow something up?

Because that would be AWESOME.

surrogates (1)

JigJag (2046772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40590951)

Surrogates [imdb.com] covered the side-effects of such a development.

Re:surrogates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40594647)

Great movie in terms of subject matter although represented with childish analogies of the paradox of surrogate robots.

A much prefer to explore the legal and philosophical aspects of surrogacy

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