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Nobel Laureate Wiped From Pakistan's Textbooks As Heretic

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the getting-erased dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes writes "Alexander Abad-Santos writes that in any other country, the late Dr. Abdus Salam would be a national hero: he's the Nobel laureate in physics who laid the groundwork for the biggest physics discovery in the past 30 years--the Higgs boson. But that isn't the case in Pakistan, where Salam has been wiped from textbooks and history for not being fundamentalist enough. 'He belonged to the Ahmadi sect, which has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants who view its members as heretics,' says Sebastian Abbot. 'His grand unification theory of strong, weak and electromagnetic fields opened the gateway for the discovery of bosons and laid down the basis for this quantum electrodynamics project,' writes Anam Khalid Alvi for Pakistan's Express Tribune. But Pakistan can't celebrate his achievements, since Ahmadis like Salam are and were prevented from 'posing as Muslims,' and can be punished with prison and even death. By contrast, fellow Pakistani physicist A.Q. Khan, who played a key role in developing the country's nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero. Khan is a Muslim."

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445 comments

Ah don't worry... (5, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#40595763)

Remember, it's all fine, carry on. They keep saying it's a religion of peace and all that. Don't forget that they scrubbed "muslim" off his grave. And other muslims in the region are expected to go out of their way to persecute them.

Re:Ah don't worry... (1, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40595813)

More people get killed by lightning in a couple of months than from terrorism in the last few years.

Where is the war on lightning?

Oh... you can't funnel money to corporate buddies if you have a war on lightning.

Re:Ah don't worry... (-1, Troll)

WhiteHover (2679613) | about 2 years ago | (#40595853)

Google doesn't recognize him either. There's no doodle of him. But if you search for him on Bing, you find all the relevant info.

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595929)

What's Bing?

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Funny)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40596071)

What's Bing?

Its a heretical search engine. Don't follow the path of brimstone and eternal damnation, stick to god's one true search engine. We of /. are the Mighty GOOGs chosen ones anyway.

(Just wanted to answer in character w/ the article)

Re:Ah don't worry... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596301)

Actually, as a geek I'm finding that the GOOG is letting me down more and more. It's getting really bad. I would say at this point 50% of the time Google returns a whole bunch of stuff not related to what I typed in the search box. I have to repeat the same word 2 or 3 times, plus put it in quotes to even have a chance that it will return a page that actually has all the terms I'm searching on. Even then it often returns bizarre stuff that doesn't match anything I typed.

Not sure what the alternative is but Google is getting worse every day.

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#40596099)

https://www.google.com/webhp?q=Bing [google.com]

(Hit the I'm feeling lucky button if you like... if not, all your answers can be found via Google!)

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40596035)

Google doesn't recognize him either. There's no doodle of him. But if you search for him on Bing, you find all the relevant info.

I think this google search [google.co.uk] shows that there are lies, damn lies, and Microsoft fanboiism.

Re:Ah don't worry... (0)

WhiteHover (2679613) | about 2 years ago | (#40596149)

What is a lie? I said there is no Google Doodle of him on the logo. Can you show me where you find one?

Re:Ah don't worry... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#40596193)

Does bing have a doodle of him?

I bet they both just have search results for him.

Re:Ah don't worry... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596345)

>There's no doodle of him.

Reading comprehension, you fail it.

Fortunately, this qualifies you for a job as a /. editor.

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Informative)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#40595883)

280 people killed in the last killed by muslim terrorists between June 23 and June 29th. 1173 people killed by muslim terrorists in June alone. 19,187 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11. [thereligionofpeace.com]

Depending on what stats you're using, between 18,000 and 24,000 people die every year from lightening strikes. Depending on how busy the "religion of peace" is they can exceed that in a year, they did that two years ago.

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596277)

Yeah, nice choice of source material. I'm sure that's entirely fair and well-considered.

The important part is that, being in a shit-hole place with shit education where everyone has been miserably poor for centuries has much more to do with you being a violent scumbag than the particular batshit superstitions you subscribe to.

Meanwhile, any muslim you meet in the states is almost certainly a non-violent person. At least on percentage with christians or atheists.

But yeah, it's all insanity and we need to eradicate religion in all forms for the good of our species.

Re:Ah don't worry... (3, Interesting)

kilfarsnar (561956) | about 2 years ago | (#40596313)

280 people killed in the last killed by muslim terrorists between June 23 and June 29th. 1173 people killed by muslim terrorists in June alone. 19,187 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11. [thereligionofpeace.com]

19,187 separate attacks? Can we get a citation for this? Or some methodology? While thereligionofpeace.com seems totally unbiased, I'd like to know where that number comes from. If 11 years (or so) have passed since 9/11/01, that's 1744 and a quarter attacks per year, or 4 and three quarters attacks per day, not taking time off for Ramadan, for 11 years. Just seems like a lot is all.

Re:Ah don't worry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595911)

Um, so you think that over 19178 people have been killed by lighting in the last couple of years? Citation needed.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#40596067)

Actually lightning fatalities are about 24,000 a year.

http://www.vaisala.com/Vaisala%20Documents/Scientific%20papers/Annual_rates_of_lightning_fatalities_by_country.pdf [vaisala.com]

The fact that you could have just used google to find that instead of trying to spread vitriol says a lot about you.

Re:Ah don't worry... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595941)

Actually, NOAA [noaa.gov] has been having a "war on lightning" for some time now. And they can filter money into their buddies' pockets - do you think that S.A.M.E radios are free? Does it cost nothing to build a storm shelter?

Deaths due to lightning, annually: 24,000 [lightningsafety.com] .

(As NOAA will tell you - if you can hear thunder, you could get zapped - get your ass inside and stay in until 30 minutes past the last thunderclap. Thank you.)

Deaths due to terrorism: varies wildly [economist.com] . Pick an arbitrary year, like 2010, and your "more" is a factor of 3, approximately. Some years, it's only a factor of 2. Given all the deaths this year in Iraq, I suspect that the figures will be large.

Ridiculous comparison (3, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 2 years ago | (#40595985)

People can handle accidental, isolated deaths. Yes, someone dies, but there is no malicious force that caused it.

People can handle mass-death less easily, even when it's accidental (or not intentional). But things like the sinking of the Titantic, air disasters, bus accidents, and similar still disproportionately capture attention.

People cannot accept someone else who is out to kill them intentionally because of hatred or a belief system. Yes, foreign policy, resources, economics, geopolitics, and myriad other nuances are involved here, but it really is that simple at its core.

The reason there ever was a "war on terror" isn't to "funnel money to corporate buddies" — it's because, to be blunt, we don't put up with that shit, even if our response is imperfect — not to mention that Europe and the West has enjoyed US defense-by-proxy for over a half-century. The fact that war is an economic driver is incidental (even if it can be argued to be important in its own way). But make no mistake: when US policy makers of any political stripe make the decision to go to war, the thinking isn't, "Hey, this can line the pockets of my corporate buddies!! Lulz!"

But I know that you and many other readers here are cynical (and ignorant) enough to actually twist a story about Pakistan and Islam into, yet again in true topsy-turvy bizarro-world style, how the US is evil. (Same thing happened with the recent Syria Wikileaks story [slashdot.org] .) It might be amusing if it weren't so predictable, pathetic, and shameful.

Re:Ridiculous comparison (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 2 years ago | (#40596077)

People cannot accept someone else who is out to kill them intentionally because of hatred or a belief system.

Well... Some (many?, most?) cannot accept that. For others, it seems to be their way of life - that's very sad.

Re:Ridiculous comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596315)

People cannot accept someone else who is out to kill them intentionally because of hatred or a belief system. Yes, foreign policy, resources, economics, geopolitics, and myriad other nuances are involved here, but it really is that simple at its core.

and thats exactly why everybody hates stupid americans.

Re:Ah don't worry... (5, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40596015)

More people get killed by lightning in a couple of months than from terrorism in the last few years.

Where is the war on lightning?

Oh... you can't funnel money to corporate buddies if you have a war on lightning.

This isn't about "terrorism". The routine killing, rape and subjugation of non-Muslims in muslim countries is "business as usual". Its only when they do something to Westerners that they say it is an "act of Terrorism" by a "tiny minority"

Both sides are wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596043)

The fundies on both sides are wrong.

Both are in fact so wrong that I have a hard time telling Christian Fundies, from Islamic Fundies.

Taliban, KKK, name doesn't matter, walks like a duck quacks like a duck.

Re:Both sides are wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596369)

Both are in fact so wrong that I have a hard time telling Christian Fundies, from Islamic Fundies.

Taliban, KKK, name doesn't matter, walks like a duck quacks like a duck.

The beliefs that make KKK whacko don't come from Christianity, and they're not backed by any kind of government. They invented their own crazy. Fortunately they're dwindling in numbers.

Re:Ah don't worry... (1)

brit74 (831798) | about 2 years ago | (#40596167)

Where is the war on lightning?

This I learned: lightning rods are part of a corporate conspiracy fueled by irrational fear of "electricity from the sky!" and designed to make Americans pay money for little pieces of metal.

Ben Franklin and the War on Lightning (1)

Freddybear (1805256) | about 2 years ago | (#40596343)

http://www.fi.edu/learn/sci-tech/lightning-rod/lightning-rod.php?cts=benfranklin-weather-electricity [fi.edu] ...in addition to wanting to prove that lightning was electricity, Franklin began to think about protecting people, buildings, and other structures from lightning. This grew into his idea for the lightning rod. Franklin described an iron rod about 8 or 10 feet long that was sharpened to a point at the end. He wrote, "the electrical fire would, I think, be drawn out of a cloud silently, before it could come near enough to strike..."

Re:Ah don't worry... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595907)

Lordy, if I had a nickel for every time I'd heard one group or another referred to with derision as, "not real Christians". And another nickel for every time someone tried to get some basic scientific theory removed from school, or shoehorn some religious nonsense into classrooms.

It's certainly not the same, but I'd wager that's just a minor wealth and cultural difference. Give us time.

Re:Ah don't worry... (4, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#40596191)

How do you think *I* feel?

I'm of Scottish Ancestry.

Ah don't worry...ALL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595953)

Are you saying ALL Muslims follow the Taliban? Would any of you have a problem with saying ALL Atheists are baby killers?

Re:Ah don't worry...ALL! (5, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40596063)

Are you saying ALL Muslims follow the Taliban? Would any of you have a problem with saying ALL Atheists are baby killers?

You are setting up a nice straw man there. Not all Muslims follow the Taliban, but all Muslims follow a cdoctrine that says that non-Muslims must be killed or accept inferior status. Read the Qur'an.

Re:Ah don't worry...ALL! (3, Informative)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#40596249)

The Bible has it's fair share of questionable text [skepticsan...dbible.com] . So...to be fair, it all depends on who reads and teaches the document. If you read any book as the truth and fact, you are in for a very dark world. One thing I've learned about religion in general is that you have to take the words with a grain of skepticism to even start to be a rational person. (I've chosen to flow on the side of non-belief myself, but whatever.)

Re:Ah don't worry...ALL! (0)

digitig (1056110) | about 2 years ago | (#40596269)

You are setting up a nice straw man there. Not all Muslims follow the Taliban, but all Muslims follow a cdoctrine that says that non-Muslims must be killed or accept inferior status. Read the Qur'an.

Most atheists I know subscribe to the doctrine that non-atheists are inferior (and I have heard some call for all religious people to be killed). There's a lot of it about, isn't there?

Re:Ah don't worry...ALL! (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40596115)

Would any of you have a problem with saying ALL Atheists are baby killers?

I can only speak for myself, but ... Veal... delicious Veal Parmesagn... Oh you probably meant human babies. No, no they don't make good Parmesagn at all.

Re:Ah don't worry... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595961)

If you don't agree with what Pakistan did, you're a racist. Welcome to the card game.

What is that shit? (2)

khasim (1285) | about 2 years ago | (#40596053)

Look up Alan Turing and what he was prosecuted for by the SECULAR government.

Look up how the Catholic church has treated scientists throughout its history.

Look up the Protestants in the USofA right now to see how they are trying to hide parts of history that they don't like.

This is more about a party in power trying to re-write history LIKE MOST PARTIES IN POWER DO than it is about evil Muslims being all evil and Muslim.

Re:What is that shit? (0, Troll)

digitig (1056110) | about 2 years ago | (#40596287)

Look up how the Catholic church has treated scientists throughout its history.

For most of its history it funded them. Is that what you meant?

Re:Ah don't worry... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596153)

Remember, it's all fine, carry on. They keep saying it's a religion of peace and all that. Don't forget that they scrubbed "muslim" off his grave. And other muslims in the region are expected to go out of their way to persecute them.

Perhaps a little cherry picking yet it is always interesting to me how cultures that are from the outside almost the same except not in some seemingly insignificant way always seem to hate each other.

Look at Japan and China...their people look alike in many ways, live right next to each other, have a shared history and use fancy impossible to write glyphs which some people I know can't tell apart.

North vs south koreans.

Muslims.. Apparently more than they hate heretics they hate each other. Constantly infighting over nonsense only a Muslim could possibly give two shits about.

All of mankind is fucking retarded.

Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596341)

Khan, who played a key role in developing the country's nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero.
 
KAHNNNNNNNNNNNN!

Soon to be -1... (2, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40595775)

It's coming soon to the U.S. Don't think they want this sort of thing to happen to Texas schoolbooks.

Re:Soon to be -1... (2)

aBaldrich (1692238) | about 2 years ago | (#40595807)

It already is in the U.S. It's called democracy. If 51% of the population wants this, they get it. They can be wrong, but it's their choice.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | about 2 years ago | (#40595913)

The US isn't a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. There are limits to what the majority can get. Slavery isn't coming back without a constitutional amendment, and that's hard enough to get for things most people think are probably reasonable policies but don't want in the Constitution itself.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596081)

Republic is the way the government is structured (with division of power between the executive, legislative and judiciary branches), while democracy is a way to decide who gets to rule. You do not need a republic to have democracy, nor democracy to have a republic. You're right in that democracy doesn't equals majority rule.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596091)

There are limits to what the majority can get. Slavery isn't coming back without a constitutional amendment

so what you are saying is slavery could come back...and basically anything else the majority wants it could get, all it needs to do is change the constitution. if a large enough majority wants it, that is just a small speed bump. so in other words the majority pretty much can get anything it wants.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

starless (60879) | about 2 years ago | (#40596183)

The US isn't a democracy. It's a constitutional republic.

No, it's a liberal democracy!

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

Quila (201335) | about 2 years ago | (#40596129)

This is where adhering to the Constitution would be cool. It would stop something like this as a simple majority in its tracks. You'd need 75% to push it through.

But years of a liberal interpretation of the Constitution as a "living" document means that all we need is 51% in Congress and a majority of nine judges to make it happen.

So, for a gay liberal who cheered the recent opinion on Obamacare, remember that when you're up for execution for being homosexual.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#40596261)

So, for a gay liberal who cheered the recent opinion on Obamacare, remember that when you're up for execution for being homosexual.

What about us straight people who cheer the opinion?

Re:Soon to be -1... (2, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#40595821)

It's coming soon to the U.S. Don't think they want this sort of thing to happen to Texas schoolbooks.

Texas, Kansas and perhaps another few states. Radical fundamentalism isn't just for Muslims and it's no stranger to setting progress back throughout history.

OK, the moons I saw around Jupiter were going around the Earth, too.

Re:Soon to be -1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596247)

And hatred of people who are different isn't just for the Klan any more.

Re:Soon to be -1... (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#40596275)

Indeed - extremes are generally bad when it comes to people. Religious beliefs are not exempt from this.

Re:Soon to be -1... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595915)

I wondered how long it would take for someone to try to take the attention off the matter at hand and turn it around on the US. Wow. Just wow.

Oh, Please! Don't Be So Globally Provincial! (1, Flamebait)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 2 years ago | (#40596001)

It is nothing but ignorance to conflate Radical Islam with Evangelical Christianity.

Yeah, we get that it fits your "All Religion Is Evil / All Religion is Anti-Science" prejudiced screed, but it's just not a valid comparison. All you're doing is trying to rile people up and/or get them to march to the drumbeats of your own bigotry, like so many Evangelical Atheists enjoy doing.

Comparing the Extremism the Fundamentalist Islamists get away with around the world to whatever drama the Fundamentalist Christians try to perpetrate is -- really -- just ridiculous. To do so means you either have an agenda, or lack education. Which is it with you?

Re:Oh, Please! Don't Be So Globally Provincial! (2)

Boronx (228853) | about 2 years ago | (#40596127)

Christians used to be this bad and they're getting worse again. They are becoming increasingly insulated from other ways of thinking and increasingly bigoted. This is in the US, of course, but I have no hope that it won't spread elsewhere

So yeah, Christianity is a lot better now, and Islam is still the worst, but the trend isn't good.

Re:Oh, Please! Don't Be So Globally Provincial! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#40596181)

So bombing is different if the victims are abortion doctors?

The only difference is degree.
Both of these are groups that oppress women and support the use of violence to spread their own flavor of crazy.

Re:Soon to be -1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596013)

I wonder if you can find any books by 'Dawkins, C. Richard" in Texas school libraries. Perhaps in the "Restricted Session" together with works by "Darwin, Charles R."

Re:Soon to be -1... (2)

brit74 (831798) | about 2 years ago | (#40596097)

Not in the US! I mean religious in the US would never downplay the contributions of deists ( http://www.dailypaul.com/128828/texas-yanks-thomas-jefferson-from-teaching-standard [dailypaul.com] ) or exaggerate the religiosity of other founding fathers ( http://home.comcast.net/~pobrien48/Lies%20for%20Jesus%20and%20Christiaity.htm [comcast.net] http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/09/you-know-david-barton-has-a-re/ [scienceblogs.com] ), and then used that fictional history to complain about how we're moving away from what the founding fathers wanted for the United States.

Re:Soon to be -1... (2)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 2 years ago | (#40596189)

Whaddaya mean, coming soon?
Thomas Jefferson removed from Texas history standards [nytimes.com]

The reason they decided to de-emphasize Jefferson was that he coined the phrase "separation of church and state". They replaced him with St Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin, and William Blackstone.

Re:Soon to be -1... (2)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40596279)

The reason they decided to de-emphasize Jefferson was that he coined the phrase "separation of church and state".

Well, that's the reported excuse. Journalists...

I suspect the real reason for the hatred towards Jefferson is the famous Jefferson Bible. Jefferson and his bible has gotta be a kick in the nuts for the mythological belief in the founding fathers being hard core fundamentalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible [wikipedia.org]

nice agitprop garbage (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595783)

honestly, who gives a shit?

Faith is a poison, when you use it as one (3)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#40595791)

Rather a shame the way people can't respect one faith from another.

The dose makes the poison (4, Insightful)

swb (14022) | about 2 years ago | (#40596037)

Personally I am an atheist, but it seems that low-levels of religious belief seem to do most people little harm and some good and at least in smaller communities seem to provide a certain amount of greater good & charity which might otherwise go missing.

It would be nice if the people involved could just enjoy getting together for the sake of getting together and do charitable works because helping people is usually the right thing to do without shame-based moralizing and all the hocus pocus, but human experience seems to suggest a more Hobbesian outcome without some kind of organizational direction.

Re:The dose makes the poison (0)

Kohath (38547) | about 2 years ago | (#40596347)

Because how could shame and morality ever help anyone? All behavior is of exactly equal value, right?

Meow (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595801)

I've always thought the Ahmadis (there's actually two Ahmadi sects) are appealing to Western converts. They talk a lot about pluralism, etc, and seem to mean it. Alas, they aren't quite as progressive as I'd like on LGBT rights. A lot of their commitment to pluralism probably comes from being persecuted in traditionally Muslim countries.

Re:Meow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595899)

There it is again, someone posting on international political events and you have to bring up an issue about who gets to have sex with who. It doesn't make any sense! No one cares who you sleep with, but you'll for sure tell everyone!

Re:Meow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596207)

NO. Do you have to be gay to care about equality? Even if you do not it is still better to fight for their rights than wait until the religious right comes knocking on your door... Thousands of Christian people care enough about "who gets to have sex with who" and when to try and ban, contraception, extra marital sex for straight people, and sex of any sort for homosexuals the latter sometimes even on pain of death, and this in America. Or did you not know of the agenda of groups like the "American family association"? They do not just want to ban gay marriage but re-criminalise being gay, and there are other more extreme fringe groups out there as well.
http://joemygod.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/american-family-association-calls-for.html
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-fornication-and-adultery-ought-be-against-law

Worse not satisfied with just working in America they have been caught making donations to political parties(the conservatives) in the UK and elsewhere to further their aims....

Khaaan! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595851)

By contrast, fellow Pakistani physicist A.Q. Khan, who played a key role in developing the country's nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero

Khaaan!!! [ytmnd.com]

Country living in the past (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595857)

Spotted.

Backwards country (5, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 2 years ago | (#40595863)

What kind of backwards country would modify their curriculum to fit religious ideals?

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/12/texas-removes-thomas-jefferson-from-teaching-standard/ [aolnews.com]

Re:Backwards country (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#40596161)

In other news, Texas is apparently a country now.

Re:Backwards country (1)

digitig (1056110) | about 2 years ago | (#40596323)

Shhh.... don't tell them that they're not. Most of them haven't noticed yet.

A national hero here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595877)

Yes, Dr. Abdus Salam would be a national hero here in the U.S alongside others such as Katy Perry and Tom Cruise. Quick! Name five current physicists without opening another browser tab!

Re:A national hero here (2)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | about 2 years ago | (#40595955)

Dr. Sheldon Cooper jumped to the top of my head.

Re:A national hero here (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#40596265)

Why current? He's been dead for almost 20 years after all.

Anyway: Feynman, Dyson, Penrose, Hawking, Preskill.

Or do they all need to be American, in which case remove those English pretenders and add Thorne and Guth

If dead doesn't count, then I don't care Feynman stays because he can't not be on any such list.

If dead does count then make some room for Fermi, Oppenheimer, and Einstein.

 

I am laughing (3, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#40595925)

A group of idiots deprives themselves of an opportunity to feel some extra national pride in what can only be described as "shitting into one's own shoes", if I were to literally translate a proverb from my native tongue. Serves them right. I wouldn't want to be in their textbooks either, I'd feel dirty.

Re:I am laughing (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 2 years ago | (#40596175)

Instead, the poor guy realized that he won't ever gain the notoriety of that other, more religious, scientist, and full of anger shouted:

KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!

More proof as if we needed any (5, Insightful)

cvtan (752695) | about 2 years ago | (#40595933)

"Religious" governments are ALWAYS a bad idea.

Re:More proof as if we needed any (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596039)

"Religious" governments are ALWAYS a bad idea.

Especially those that finance terrorism and have a nuclear arsenal.
So why the hell are we still allies with these fuckers ?

Re:More proof as if we needed any (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596337)

you answered the question yourself: it's the nukes,
better they're "in our tent pissing out" is the idea.

Re:More proof as if we needed any (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596085)

It's not as simple as a religious government, it's a religious /state/. Pakistan was specifically created to be a Muslim nation. Fought to become one in living memory.

Not grand unification (4, Informative)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#40595937)

It was electroweak unification. Important enough.

(So far, all attempts at grand unification have failed, including Einstein's.)

Re:Not grand unification (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 years ago | (#40596075)

Wasn't Einstein the one who proposed the concept of a grand unified theory? The first person to try should hardly be expected to succeed at a monumental task. Shoulders of giants, and all that.

ebooks and digital media without physical medium (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40595989)

this is what scares me about ebooks and digital media without physical medium in general. it becomes too easy for the 'powers that be' (PTB) to edit and revise important documents and information...and too easy for them to accuse original, true e-copies as being false works of fanatics and heretics.

Re:ebooks and digital media without physical mediu (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40596201)

too easy for them to accuse original, true e-copies as being false works

There's always digital notary services to timestamp something, crypto signed documents to prove who signed it, etc.

VERY unpopular (intentionally?) but hardly technologically impossible or an inherent issue with the media. If everyone used pencils with erasers, and refused to use indelible ink, that doesn't mean paper technology is at fault.

and we're giving them how much money??? (1)

srk2040 (973509) | about 2 years ago | (#40595997)

Pakistan is lost cause, stop this debacle.

Re:and we're giving them how much money??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596069)

Well, Romney would make things worse. He was against going after Bin Laden in Pakistan.

Re:and we're giving them how much money??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596291)

but that's only because they make really comfortable magic underwear.

This is EXCELLENT news!!! (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#40596065)

Anything they can do to unwind the clock several hundreds of years is great for the rest of us. Hopefully they'll outlaw literacy soon and get to breeding out of all sense of control or reason.

The Muzzies are coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596103)

The Muzzies are coming, The Muzzies are coming
Every one keep calm
They're violent and they're evil
and they mean to do us harm.

Flamebait summary much? (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#40596105)

Khan is a Muslim.

Yes, and so was Dr. Abdus Salam.

co34 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596125)

There is only one reasonable solution. (2)

xerxesVII (707232) | about 2 years ago | (#40596147)

The U.S. should invade Pakistan and never leave until they get their textbooks right.

Re:There is only one reasonable solution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596221)

You mean with creationism, or intelligent design?

Just curious.

Re:There is only one reasonable solution. (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40596303)

The U.S. should invade Pakistan and never leave until they get their textbooks right.

Maybe we should start with Texas first.

Re:There is only one reasonable solution. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596305)

The U.S. should invade Pakistan and never leave until they get their textbooks right.

So when can we invade Texas ?
Or should Texas declare its independence and say bye-bye to the US ?

Catch-22 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596187)

Science and religion have never been very good friends. Even the Vatican which has its own scientists has trouble with science on occasion. The thing that strikes me as truly evil about the situation is that the fundamentalists especially are causing their own problem. The more they do this kind of thing the more young people interested in science simply become atheist or switch religion from the one they are brought up with. From the outside the rest of the world starts quoting this as yet another reason that this religion or that religion is evil in some way. The Muslim religion is just fine its the extreme fundamentalists that can be problematic. Most people just want to get up in the morning and take care of their family. That's it, all there is to it.

The other problem is that unlike current Christianity, Judaism and Islam incorporate governing of people into the religion and its practices. This makes it very difficult for a Muslim country to extricate the religion from the government. Its ingrained in everything they do in quite a few middle eastern countries. Not only that, but truthfully, I'd just as soon they keep it that way. Its part of what makes the middle east interesting to me. I just wish there was a way to get a handle on the extremists without seeming like the big bully on the block like we (the US) often do. I'm all about preserving culture while making the world a safer place for people to travel and experience that culture.

By the by, I realize that Pakistan is not the middle east, but a large population of fundamentalist Muslims live there and they make the news quite a bit, but the middle east is the ancestral home of the religion.

All Fundies Are The Same (1)

ThePeices (635180) | about 2 years ago | (#40596321)

**NEWSFLASH**

A country that is subjugated by religious fundamentalism commits all manner of evil acts and promotes despicable bigotry and hatred.

More news at 11 !!

No Surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596331)

There are endless apologists who make endless garbage legion reasons on accepting Islam.

Its like every other religion, blah blah blah.
Its not like every other religion. The banning of Kite flying, the banning of music, the mass mutilation of women ('Its an African thing, not Islamic!, until you examine Egypt, and then examine cases into the middle east, and then discover the harsh realities), the war on education, the hatred of everyone but their own religion, and even then sometimes only their own sect.

Islamophobia is a bullshit term created at the UN. And it and the twisted fucked up human rights garbage at the UN is defined by 50+ Islamic states that work as a block to denounce everyone and anyone else. Their attempts to create global laws on blashemy and to create a shield against action against their 7th century backward, rape legalising fucked up, child molesting, retarded religion is only a pin drop ina fucking huge ocean of the shit they are trying every single day.

I have an Islamic Human Rights Organisation Shop in my Highstreet. The only fucking thing islamists can show me or anyone is how they abuse human rights on a scale no one else on the planet has done in a long time, and they do so in fucking spades. And they are fronting PR and propaganda that smoke screens and covers up an ever more despicable and intolerant religion and its activities around a globe in a modern age where that PR and propaganda by itself would make Goebbels happy.

to stop racism thats why. (1)

Faisal Rehman (2424374) | about 2 years ago | (#40596363)

Wiped to finish difference and racism because everyone is noble.

The Middle Ages called they want their idiots back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40596371)

Let em stay in the dark ages if that's where they want to be. The rest of the world has moved on, and so has the good doctor.

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