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Google Releases Android 4.1 Source Code

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the getting-better-each-time dept.

Android 211

Unlike previous releases, where months passed between Google announcing a new version and the code being released, Google has made good on their promise to release the source code to Jelly Bean in record time. Unfortunately, the gitweb instance on kernel.org is still down so you'll have to download the entire thing to take a peek. Hopefully the Cyanogenmod team will find time to start on a community enhanced version soon.

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First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598753)

First

Number one thing i want. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599189)

Number one thing i want in CM. Is for them to stop overlooking legacy devices like the nexus one.
That and please add indications for status for SIP accounts!!!

Re:Number one thing i want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599723)

Some simple Googling shows that they are working on it. For some time, they did not have the drivers and libs required. They have since been released.

Calm the fuck down.

Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (5, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598789)

Is an option to add back the settings/menu button. I like having the settings always in a known and easy to reach place rather than depending on the app author to place it someplace convenient. And i wouldn't mind having the search button back either. Really the bottom button bar ought to be much more configurable than it is.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (4, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598803)

CM9 has that option so I would imagine CM10 will have it as well. You can also add a persistent Search button on the bottom if that's your thing. Not that you'll need it with the up gesture on Jelly Bean for Google Now.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598821)

Thanks! That's good to know. I haven't actually experimented much with Cyanogen yet because i've never felt to need to install it on my Nexus One. (I'm trying to hold out until the rumored five new Nexus phones this fall.) But i'm definitely going to be looking into it once i get my Nexus 7.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598885)

I just shot a fart out of my fuckhole. What do you think, you piece of garbage?

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599519)

Thanks, I came hard cunt.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (5, Interesting)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599039)

Thanks! That's good to know. I haven't actually experimented much with Cyanogen yet because i've never felt to need to install it on my Nexus One. (I'm trying to hold out until the rumored five new Nexus phones this fall.) But i'm definitely going to be looking into it once i get my Nexus 7.

You're missing out. Using vanilla android is THAT much better than most skinned versions, and using Cyanogen is THAT much better than vanilla. It's essentially ALL the options and customization you didn't realize you needed, but once you've got it, you'll never go back to vanilla.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599173)

I thought the "Nexus" line was vanilla... slightly locked, but not so much.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (5, Insightful)

TheInternetGuy (2006682) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599461)

It's essentially ALL the options and customization you didn't realize you needed, but once you've got it, you'll never go back to vanilla.

But will my camera work?

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (3, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599509)

That depends on your device. Get an officially supported by AOSP device like the Nexus or WiFi Xoom and you're golden. Otherwise you takes your chances.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

karolbe (1661263) | more than 2 years ago | (#40600009)

Jean-Baptiste Queru: "Nexus S works much better with AOSP: the camera works, GPS works, NFC works, and those are broken on AOSP builds for Galaxy Nexus." More here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/112218872649456413744/posts/QkKumgFm6pm [google.com]

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

RoboJ1M (992925) | more than 2 years ago | (#40600057)

Yes! Bluetooth? Maybe not so much.
Actually I'm just bitter because A2DP is lousy on CM7 with HTC Desire. :'(

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599863)

In previous versions I would agree. I had to install Cyanogenmod 7 on my Optimus V to make it half useable. However with ICS on my ASUS TF300 I haven't felt the desire, ASUS has done a very good job of customizing ICS for their tablet and everything I could think I want is there. Including being able to root it without any voodoo. I think it depends entirely on the OEM.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

friesandgravy (1086677) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599969)

how are you finding chrome on stock asus ICS? i'm finding it laggy a bit, and crashes at least once a session...

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599915)

Where is this option?

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598933)

Just use one of the many available widgets.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598963)

I use cm7 on a defy and the menu button and search button work as expected.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599025)

From what i understand CM7 was based on 2.3 Gingerbread. The disappearing menu/settings button was only introduced in 3.0 Honeycomb and carried over to 4.0 ICS and 4.1 Jelly Bean.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (4, Insightful)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598985)

MOD THIS GUY TO THE 'N TOP.
TO.THE.TOP!

I've been ranting about this for months, it's difficult to put into words my thoughts on this without sounding like a raving lunatic or a badly broken record.
I am _sick_ of companies making stupid decisions with their user interfaces.

Why on EARTH would we want a nice, consistent location for a button to now become a random location on the screen? and what makes them think three odd little dots represents 'settings' or 'menu' clearly? WHAT?

I do not exaggerate when I say one of the PRIMARY reasons I switched from Apple to Android was the complete and utter logic of having nice, consistent buttons for routine functions. Back, menu, home seem logical to me. I also NEVER, EVER use the multi-task button, why would I? The OS handles it all perfectly for me, when I hit home it minimises the application (so to speak) and when I re-open the application, it's where I wanted it. Furthermore, holding down the home key (Samsung) seems logical to multi-tasking to me, not a dedicated button.

I am extremely, extremely baffled and pissed off at this completely and utterly idiotic move and it's also one of the primary reasons I got the Galaxy S3, possibly one of the last Android phones with a logical button scheme.
Sadly, I'm only one person whining about this but by god does the Google engineering group who decided on this change need a mighty fucking slap with the logic bat.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (3, Interesting)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599033)

It's not just companies. Even FOSS projects are doing it.
I ran GIMP 2.8 for a whole 20 minutes before I uninstalled and put 2.6 back.

It's like there's some sort of computer programmer virus that makes you make idiotic un-usability decisions going around (pretty sure Ubuntu was patient zero)

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

humanrev (2606607) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599805)

Could you be more specific? Is it because of the (optional) single-window mode in 2.8? The only reason I can stand to use GIMP now is BECAUSE of the single-window mode, but there's no reason to flame given it's still optional, and not even the default.

Apart from that 2.8 seems to only have improvements and greater functionality from what I've seen, but I'd be interested to read what it has which got under your skin so I can either sympathize or deride you. :)

P.S. Agreed with Ubuntu - Mint is the current distro of choice if I have to use Linux.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599845)

The main thing I can see irritating people is Gimp deciding to go the photoshop way of saving--"Save/Save as" only work on XCF. For any other format you need to use "Export..." or "Overwrite". Which, eh, it was kind of annoying to me, but the improved brush dynamics mean I'm never looking back.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599897)

The save garbage was one of the two things that got on my nerves very quickly.

The new brushes were the second. Since I had opened it up to do something with the smear tool, I ran into it headlong from the get-go.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#40600155)

It's not just companies. Even FOSS projects are doing it.

Doing what, experimenting with changes in new major versions that may give them a boost in popularity as they introduce changes to usability which make the product easier to use?

You've stated your opinion, now here's mine. GIMP 2.8 is usable, previous versions were a window management nightmare. Especially on dual monitors with tool palates disappearing and generally not acting like any other single application on my system. I like it. I like it a lot. Others seem to like it too. This is also the first version of GIMP I consider recommending to other less ... patient computer users.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599043)

MOD THIS GUY TO THE 'N TOP. TO.THE.TOP!

I've been ranting about this for months, it's difficult to put into words my thoughts on this without sounding like a raving lunatic or a badly broken record. I am _sick_ of companies making stupid decisions with their user interfaces.

Why on EARTH would we want a nice, consistent location for a button to now become a random location on the screen? and what makes them think three odd little dots represents 'settings' or 'menu' clearly? WHAT?

I do not exaggerate when I say one of the PRIMARY reasons I switched from Apple to Android was the complete and utter logic of having nice, consistent buttons for routine functions. Back, menu, home seem logical to me. I also NEVER, EVER use the multi-task button, why would I? The OS handles it all perfectly for me, when I hit home it minimises the application (so to speak) and when I re-open the application, it's where I wanted it. Furthermore, holding down the home key (Samsung) seems logical to multi-tasking to me, not a dedicated button.

I am extremely, extremely baffled and pissed off at this completely and utterly idiotic move and it's also one of the primary reasons I got the Galaxy S3, possibly one of the last Android phones with a logical button scheme. Sadly, I'm only one person whining about this but by god does the Google engineering group who decided on this change need a mighty fucking slap with the logic bat.

... or install CyanogenMod and customize your settings yourself, and stop whining.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599169)

Well to be fair, CM9 has apparently only been out for a couple weeks, and not everyone is aware of it (well, i wasn't at least till just now.)

And even so, if you honestly feel that Google is going in the wrong direction with some aspect of the UI there's nothing wrong with speaking up about it instead of just saying "Well i've got what i want thanks to CyanogenMod and all the less technical users who are stuck with whatever Google decides can go suck it."

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1, Offtopic)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599207)

Why the (more expletives) should I damn well have to move to a non stock ROM just because of a foolish decision by Google?

This move is going to frustrate 'normal' users who don't know how to mod and regardless if there's a way round it with Cyanogen, it's still a completely illogical decision.

Ridiculous.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599603)

Why the (more expletives) should I damn well have to move to a non stock ROM just because of a foolish decision by Google?

Because it makes a lot more sense than switching to Apple. If you want to say it's on principal and all, that's fine, except Apple has done many things way more retarded than this.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599617)

... or install CyanogenMod and customize your settings yourself, and stop whining.

Sure, if your phone is on the CM supported list.

Any other smart ideas?

Sure is platinum mad in here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599361)

Isn't the menu button always in the upper-right now? The problem with the old fixed button is not every app/view has a menu. You don't know if pushing the button will actually do anything until you try it.

FYI, the official rationale: (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599375)

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/01/say-goodbye-to-menu-button.html

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599421)

Your points are valid from your perspective...

My perspective, on the other hand:

The multitasking button has become probably my most used, and I'm happy they made a dedicated button for it. Next most used is Home, and that's increased with Jelly Bean making long-press home bring up Google Now with a swipe up (which actually makes more sense to me than that being multitasking). Back is used enough as well, of course. I almost never use the menu button on the bottom any more, though. The only apps that I find any use for that is... well... Facebook, but I've given up on even dealing with the Facebook app... and... honestly, I'm perfectly happy without the menu or the search buttons dedicated on the bottom. It took a little getting used to, but I don't miss those buttons at all any more...

Essentially, the new button configuration works better for me than the old button configurations ever did. I can understand it being more of a hassle for some people. That's essentially Google's thing though: the phone manufacturers can put whatever buttons they want on there and leave whatever buttons they don't off (hence CM9 allows you to fill the damn thing up with all 5 if you really want). The manufacturers are probably going to go to the ones that seem the most logical based on potential sales to put on there. Samsung thought it made sense to keep the menu button that people like yourself are so used to, so they did. And there you have it, you proved them right and bought the S3 for that reason. Maybe they'll do that with the S4 and beyond, and you can still keep your menu button and "logical button scheme". I'll stick to the new scheme that makes more sense to me. We'll both be happy (and I understand that's a big "if they go that way...").

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599495)

Doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. Just to somehow show they are different and innovative. That's the way of the non Apple world. Say what you want about Apple. They understand intuitive UI. There is more to GUI than eye candy. LIttle tip for the green screen engineers.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Intropy (2009018) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599907)

Ah, Poe's law.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599525)

Agree about the menu button, disagree about the multi tasking button. It's absolutely necessary if you want to move from one app to another _without_ going to your home screen, opening the app drawer and then scrolling to the other app. If you need to switch back and forth a few times, you'll be pulling your hair out by the time you're done...

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599591)

I'm fine with both but very confused that multi-tasking got a dedicated button but menu didn't - it seems so completely and utterly backwards to me.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (5, Informative)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599627)

If I remember correctly, the issue was that app developers were hiding vital functions behind the menu button, and there was no way to know whether the menu button actually worked on certain screens. Take the Android WiFi settings as a prime example - to enter the advanced WiFi settings, you had to press Menu and then Advanced, even though there was no indication to the user, and there is no menu as such (i.e. the menu button does nothing) in any of the other Android settings dialogs - how is the user supposed to know that he can access a whole other dialog by pressing Menu and hitting "Advanced"? The only way to find out (unless someone tells you) is to go through every single screen of a new app and press the menu button on each one, to see if a different menu pops up somewhere - and this really was the case on MANY Android apps... you'd get access to an entirely different menu from screen A than from screen B, and certain settings would only be available by pressing menu when already in the settings dialog - very confusing for end users.

I do agree that they should have kept the menu button in the same place though. Maybe just make the backlight (on devices where applicable) only light up when there's actually a menu available... and a better icon would have been nice... but tbh - I don't think I could have thought up a better one...

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 2 years ago | (#40600159)

Yes, it's exactly for that reason. The fact that the dots appear to wander randomly around the screen is irritating for sure, but is more a transitional period. They appear in the bottom bar if the app is not set to "target" the latest OS version. They appear in the top bar if the app has been ported to use the ICS/Honeycomb UI classes, and irritatingly, they can appear in BOTH places if the app is using a backport of the ActionBar class and has not set their API target version correctly. I've been told that there are some odd issues that can occur when you target the latest SDK, but I don't know if that's really true. Anyway, it's a bit of a mess, but as the backport libraries get improved and people work through the complexities of supporting both ICS+ and Gingerbread the dots will get more consistent with time, either appearing in the bottom bar for older apps that expect a menu button, or typically in the top right for newer apps that use an action bar.

Having said all that, settings/menu buttons and even the back button are pretty inconsistent on iOS too, so it's not like this is an achilles heel or anything.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599633)

It's absolutely necessary if you want to move from one app to another _without_ going to your home screen, opening the app drawer and then scrolling to the other app.

Eh? Just long-press the Home button and the Task Switcher appears. Click the icon for the active app to which you wish to switch.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599649)

Task switcher != Recently opened apps

They are fundamentally different, and recently opened apps was broken in that some apps (like GMail) didn't show up unless they were opened directly from the home screen - if you opened GMail by clicking on a new mail notification, it wouldn't show up in recently opened apps. This was fixed when they switched to the task switcher...

No matter which method you prefer though - don't you think the function is important enough to deserve a dedicated button? I know I do...

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599765)

They are not fundamentally different at all. They both serve the exact same function. The fact that some apps didn't show up correctly under recently opened apps is not a fundamental difference, it's a bug. There are apps under ICS that don't show up under the task switcher too, so it's not even a bug that's entirely gone..

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599785)

Actually, there's a big difference. One shows running tasks and allows you to open or close ("dismiss") them. The other just shows you which apps you've most recently launched... makes a big difference for the way I use Android.

Which apps don't show up in the ICS task switcher? I haven't noticed any so far :)

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599819)

In addition to your point and against the poster to which you responded:

The multitasking button is not a "task switcher" necessarily, by thoughts used here. It is STILL just the "recently opened apps". It just grabs a screenshot of each recently opened app and shows potentially more than the old one did. Which looks flashier, and looks like it would be more of a "task switcher". In a sense it is. But that's misunderstanding the way Android works. In Android, you shouldn't necessarily close any apps. Even swiping them off the list on the multitasking button screen doesn't close the app, actually. That app may still be running in the background just the same. You are switching the apps, but you're switching the apps in the exact same way that you did with the "recently opened apps" from older Android. If you really want to be true, technically it's a "task switcher" and "recently opened apps" hybrid, in that it's the list of the recently opened apps, which most likely will also act as a task switcher. And this has always been the case with Android since long pressing home brought up the recently opened apps list.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

SurfaceMount (749329) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599847)

I am _sick_ of companies making stupid decisions with their user interfaces. Why on EARTH would we want a nice, consistent location for a button to now become a random location on the screen?

Apple probably has a patent for "buttons in a consistent location on a device with round corners" so Android had to remove that feature to avoid spending years in court.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599141)

Number one thing i want in CM. Is for them to stop overlooking legacy devices like the nexus one.
That and please add indications for status for SIP accounts!

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599165)

Number one thing i want in CM. Is for them to stop overlooking legacy devices like the nexus one.
That and please add indications for status for SIP accounts!!

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (1)

richy freeway (623503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599985)

You do realise that CM isn't the only game in town developing ROMs? I don't know why everyone goes on about CM as if they're the greatest thing in the ROM creation world. I personally can't stand their ROMs. I'm currently running Nikez ICS on my original Desire, very nice it is too.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (2)

Tapewolf (1639955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599995)

Number one thing i want in CM. Is for them to stop overlooking legacy devices like the nexus one.

If that's the G1, the base code is too bloaty and slow to run nicely on the hardware now. The G1 has limited RAM and flash space, sadly and there's a limit to how much you can optimise someone else's code like that.

Re:Number one thing i want from Cyanogen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599465)

It's on the top-right of the notificaton pull-down (at least in 4.0).

Just this January (-1, Offtopic)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598827)

In production and one of the girls filled up her ass with 1589 lubricated jelly beans. She squeezed them out in an epic finale of jizz and cum.. its was quite awesome. After the shoot she counted them all, thats the only reason I know why there were 1589.

Yet (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598845)

On Sprint, the Epic 4G Touch is still running Gingerbread. Sprint promised Ice Cream Sandwich months ago, yet we haven't seen anything yet.

What good are the new versions if we can't have them?

I want the ability to update my phone to the newest Android versions without rooting it.

Re:Yet (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598851)

I want the ability to update my phone to the newest Android versions without rooting it.

Then buy a nexus device. That's really your only option.

Re:Yet (5, Interesting)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599213)

Tell that to the Nexus S owners who had to wait over 6 months for 4.0 to land on their phones. Owning a Nexus phone is not a guarantee of timely updates.

Re:Yet (3, Interesting)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599565)

Wasn't that the CDMA Nexus S though? For anybody that doesn't know, not only do you need to have a Nexus device to be assured of updates, that Nexus device needs to not be CDMA. Even the Galaxy Nexus from Verizon is unsupported by AOSP.

Re:Yet (1)

lightversusdark (922292) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599757)

The Verizon Galaxy Nexus (toro) is now back in AOSP. The Sprint GN (toroplus) is still out and there are no plans to add support for it.
The Invensense binary blobs (proprietary gyro/accelerometer) are now OK to distribute, but it's not clear how complete the new release really is.

Re:Yet (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599789)

Yep, I missed it on the binary download page. Also looks like you have to manually type it into the build configuration menu from the lunch command as full_toro-userdebug as it hasn't been added back into that yet. Get to updating that documentation, Google!

Re:Yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40600123)

The T-Mobile (GSM) Nexus S took forever to get ICS as well.

Re:Yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599567)

Pity Verizon Galaxy Nexus users. No guarantees at all, so not a Nexus device as I understood them to be.

Some BS there because the CDMA Nexus S got its update albeit eventually.

Re:Yet (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599625)

Well, according to the AOSP page [android.com] for device builds, the Nexus S 4G has been brought back into the officially supported fold so there is hope for the CDMA Galaxy Nexus owners.

Re:Yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598861)

Talk to your OEM and your carrier. Or stop bitching and get a real Android phone, aka, something with the word Nexus in the name.

Samsung Galaxy S III (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598875)

This is already a really fast phone with ICS, and the Samsung touches are actually pretty nice, but I want to remove the ChatOn service (I'm getting spam messages) and I want Jelly Bean. I'm assuming Cynaogen will give me that option before Samsung/Sprint goes.

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40598965)

Just go into apps and disable chatOn.

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (-1, Offtopic)

chinasandstone (2680637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599103)

i love red sandstone [chinasandstones.net] very much

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (2, Insightful)

Mr0bvious (968303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599147)

Before Samsung? I'd say certainly. I'm still waiting for ICS on my Galaxy Tab 10.1 and JB is already out. I wouldn't be overly surprised if Cyanogenmod supported JB for the Galaxy Tab before Samsung roll out ICS.

I know there are rumours of ICS being released for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 over July/August but I'm not holding my breath until I have it.

But really Samsung why are you playing games with releasing ICS for us? I like your products, but your lack of willingness to provide timely updates makes me question if I will buy from you again. /rant

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599643)

simple.

they are hoping you will buy a new device so you can have the latest o/s..

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (3, Insightful)

Mr0bvious (968303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599683)

Yes that's why I referred to them 'playing games'.

But it may not work in their favour, instead of me buying a new device from them I'm actually less likely to every buy their devices.

What's more (and supports your assertion) is their current replacement offering (Galaxy Tab 2 10.1) has little to offer over the previous version other than the OS version - so there's no way I'm forking out for a new device just for an OS upgrade. Yes there are other differences, but not enough to warrant another purchase.

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (3, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599709)

I realize your money's already spent but the WiFi Motorola Xoom [android.com] is the only 10 inch tablet with AOSP support. Samsung should be ashamed of themselves for not updating your device in a timely manner but in the future, I'd at least have a peek at that page I linked before putting money down.

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (1)

Mr0bvious (968303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599717)

Thanks for the heads-up.

Re:Samsung Galaxy S III (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 2 years ago | (#40600187)

I like your products, but your lack of willingness to provide timely updates makes me question if I will buy from you again. /rant

I've always been of the belief that it was Samsung's incompetence more than anything that prevents timely updates to a phone. For the most part there's not a single bit of Samsung software that I've looked forward to. About the best thing you can do is hope for Cyanogenmod support. The Galaxy S runs CM9 faster than any Samsung firmware ever did, and their official reason for not supporting ICS on the Galaxy S is that the device is too slow to run it ... riiiiiiiight.

Samsung do make fantastic hardware though. I would recommend any future Android purchases are based on the quality of hardware and their ability to run Cyanogenmod more than any other advertised gimmicky feature.

No kidding (5, Interesting)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40598915)

CM9 just took sooo long. In fact the final release isn't out yet.

I just couldn't resist and put Jellybean on my Galaxy Nexus. But CyanogenMod still has a few features that are not incorporated into plain Android, nor are there apps for them. Not that I could find anyway. For example I want the battery in the status bar to show a percent number (there are apps that add that, but IN ADDITION to the regular battery), and I /love/ the Volume-Button-Long-Press-Skips-Tracks. Very very very useful while jogging. Oh and the power widgets in the pull-down, way better than the Power Control Widget.

CM9 took so long because they had to start from scratch. They are saying that CM10 should not be NEARLY as big a deal, so here's hoping!

Re:No kidding (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599011)

You can download Elixir 2 [google.com] for the pull down widget functionality and it has the battery percentage in the statusbar as well, though as you say it is in addition to the regular battery indicator.

Re:No kidding (1)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599129)

I have Elixir2, never looked into most of what it can do though - I will check that out, thanks.

Re:No kidding (-1, Troll)

chinasandstone (2680637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599115)

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Re:No kidding (0)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599135)

Uhhh... good for you?...

Re:No kidding (-1, Offtopic)

chinasandstone (2680637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599131)

i love red sandstone [chinasandstones.net] very much i love marble columns [marblecolumns.net] very much

Re:No kidding (0)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599159)

I prefer to make columns out of the skulls of my enemies.

Kill The Beast (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599271)

Slashdot, why is there no way to mark other users as spammers? It's really frustrating to have people like this pollute the message stream.

Re:No kidding (1)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599333)

I've not seen any indication that the original Galaxy S will get a version above 2.2 Froyo which will have working 911. I will never buy a phone I cannot get complete source code for all drivers. I might as well have bought an iphone.

Re:No kidding (4, Insightful)

Jethro (14165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599351)

That's why I always buy Nexus phones. Unlocked. Costs more but I keep 'em going for a few years.

Re:No kidding (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599537)

I hate to say this but there isn't a single modern smartphone on the market with full open source drivers. The main culprits are the GPU and cameras. Even the fully AOSP supported devices like Nexus and WiFi Xoom require proprietary addons that you have to download in addition to the regular Android source in order to get everything working. I pulled the source for jelly bean earlier for the Galaxy Nexus and had to get blobs for the GPU, WiFi/Bluetooth, camera and accelerometer. As long as Google supports your phone you are good but when that support runs out you might be on your own. That said, you are still miles better than with any other device.

Re:No kidding (1)

Zeroedout (2036220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599787)

I hate to say this, but not *any* other device. The Openmoko Neo Freerunner has all drivers open source (including GPU) and http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ [goldelico.com] as well. The only things not free are the GSM firmware and the wifi firmware. The Freerunner original already has working (but not user friendly) FOSS GSM firmware with OsmocomBB http://bb.osmocom.org/ [osmocom.org]
Oh but these aren't Android phones &_&

Re:No kidding (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599807)

I actually thought about the freerunner when I wrote that but I figured it might be getting a little long in the tooth. But much respect to what they accomplished.

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Can't wait for AOSP roms for Galaxy S III (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599119)

On the american version of the Galaxy S III and there is only the crappy sense roms out, nothing standard android like CM9/10, AOKP, whatever. Development seems slower than usual despite the fully unlocked bootloader etc. Maybe this will help!

looking forward to it, and to the tablet (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599151)

So if Google took over the "pole position" hardware release with the Nexus 7, and they also release the Jelly Bean source code, does that mean that they're going to be the cleanest, easiest platform to hack?

I'm a bit worried now that I see that some of the media features won't be available on non-US devices; not because I'm overseas, but because that usually means the MAFIAA has some control over the hardware. I really want the little tablet, to replace my aging Nook Color. If it turns out there are bootloader lockin games being played, I'll be pretty much done with Android.

Re:looking forward to it, and to the tablet (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599639)

AOSP has the proprietary binaries [google.com] necessary for a from source build of Android for the Nexus 7 which would be kind of pointless if the boot loader wasn't unlockable so you're probably safe.

Tor Discussion Forums + DNSCrypt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599155)

# In this post:
#
# 1. Tor Discussion Forums (two hidden services)
# 2. DNSCrypt - for Linux, Mac, and Windows (from opendns)

# 1. Tor Discussion Forums (two hidden services)

We need an official Tor discussion forum.

I did not see this issue mentioned in Roger's *latest* notes post, so for now, mature adults should visit and post at one or both of these unofficial tor discussion forums, these tinyurls will take you to:

** HackBB:
        http://www.tinyurl.com/hackbbonion [tinyurl.com]

** Onion Forum 2.0
        http://www.tinyurl.com/onionforum2 [tinyurl.com]

Each tinyurl link will take you to a hidden service discussion forum. Tor is required to visit these links, even though they appear to be on the open web, they will lead you to .onion sites.

I know the Tor developers can do better, but how many years are we to wait?

Caution: some topics may be disturbing. You should be eighteen years or older. I recommend you disable images in your browser when viewing these two forums[1] and only enabling them if you are posting a message, but still be careful! Disable javascript and cookies, too.

If you prefer to visit the hidden services directly, bypassing the tinyurl service:

HackBB: (directly)
http://clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion/ [clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion]

Onion Forum 2.0: (directly)
http://65bgvta7yos3sce5.onion/ [65bgvta7yos3sce5.onion]

The tinyurl links are provided as a simple means of memorizing the hidden services via a link shortening service (tinyurl.com).

[1]: Because any content can be posted! Think 4chan, for example. onionforum2 does not appear to be heavily moderated so be aware and take precautions.

###

# 2. DNSCrypt for Linux, Windows, Mac (from opendns.com)

"In the same way the SSL turns HTTP web traffic into HTTPS encrypted Web traffic, DNSCrypt turns regular DNS traffic into encrypted DNS traffic that is secure from eavesdropping and man-in-the-middle attacks. It does not require any changes to domain names or how they work, it simply provides a method for securely encrypting communication between our customers and our DNS servers in our data centers. We know that claims alone do not work in the security world, however, so we have opened up the source to our DNSCrypt code base and it is available on GitHub"

https://www.opendns.com/technology/dnscrypt/ [opendns.com]

- Download the right package for your Linux distribution:
https://blog.opendns.com/2012/02/16/tales-from-the-dnscrypt-linux-rising/ [opendns.com]

https://github.com/opendns/dnscrypt-proxy/blob/master/README.markdown [github.com]
https://github.com/opendns [github.com]
https://blog.opendns.com/2012/05/08/dnscrypt-for-windows-has-arrived/ [opendns.com]
http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/05/dnscrypt-encrypts-your-dns-traffic-because-theres-always-someone-out-to-get-you/ [techcrunch.com]
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/DNSCrypt-a-tool-to-encrypt-all-DNS-traffic-1392283.html [h-online.com]
http://blog.opendns.com/2012/02/06/dnscrypt-hackers-wanted/ [opendns.com]
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dnscrypt-930439/ [linuxquestions.org]

###

eof

stupid repo script is broken (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599287)

It seems to make assumptions that are not valid, such as the host name being a valid RHS of email.

Google support of third party mods (4, Insightful)

toejam13 (958243) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599343)

I am actually surprised that Google does not have a dedicated development team working in co-operation with an independent mod group such as Cyanogenmod.

It is fairly clear that one of the greatest problems with Android is with version fragmentation. Mobile carriers have been very sluggish or outright hostile regarding major firmware upgrades on their handsets. It would be preferable for Google to ensure that carriers are contractually obligated to support OS upgrades for at least four or five years. But until that happens, throwing resources at the issue through a back door would be a nice thing.

Re:Google support of third party mods (3, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599589)

It is fairly clear that one of the greatest problems with Android is with version fragmentation

Is it really? As a mobile developer, I find that it's a simple problem to deal with by just coding to an older API. I haven't found any problem with it not being backwards compatible, and the older APIs are good enough for most things.

A much bigger problem I've had is with different hardware platforms being different, with sometimes bizarre issues like the Kyocera Milano having a clock that goes backwards from time to time. This is a problem on iPhone too, but since there are fewer iphone platforms, it's easier...

Re:Google support of third party mods (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599843)

"As a mobile developer, I find that it's a simple problem to deal with by just coding to an older API."

That's exactly the problem. People having to code with older APIs due to platform fragmentation means that new features of the OS have far lower adoption rates even for the devices that can handle them.

Re:Google support of third party mods (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599873)

It's still not really that big of an issue though as most of the new APIs have compatibility libraries going back to version 2.2 of Android which covers over 95 percent of that market. And Android as of about 2.2 actually is pretty feature complete and still quite competitive with the competition so there isn't a whole lot devs have been clamoring for anyway. Users just want it to be smooth and trouble free and ICS/jellybean are delivering on that.

Re:Google support of third party mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599793)

I am actually surprised that Google does not have a dedicated development team working in co-operation with an independent mod group such as Cyanogenmod.

I don't know. As the developer of a particular value-add feature of CM 7, I must say that my interest in porting the code to CM9 is really limited. It seems they rebased their fork, and I would have to redevelop the code from scratch.

I would be more amenable to the task if they had Test Driven Development. As it stands, coders submit a patch and if testers think it works well on their device then it is blessed.

I like to think my code doesn't have bugs, but the lack of regression tests makes me reticent to contribute significant effort.

If you can't even agree on a continuous regression test suite, then how can you expect people to rely on your system?

Upon reading source code, researchers discover... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599547)

...that Android is garbage designed "By Faggots, For Faggots" and it will never be as good as iOS.

Re:Upon reading source code, researchers discover. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599615)

Except nobody cares about fuckerlords who start their comments in the subject line.

Not for Nexus S and Xoom (4, Informative)

gparent (1242548) | more than 2 years ago | (#40599599)

The binaries for the Nexus S and Xoom are not available yet and won't be until the OTA update.

I tried compiling AOSP with android 4.1.1r1 checked out, adding the 4.0.4 vendor proprietary files, putting it on my phone, then flashing the ICS kernel, but it did not work.

Oh well. I'll be waiting.

YOU fAIL IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40599905)

prospects are over to yet another ooficers. Others alike to reap
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