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Cloned Horses Ok To Compete In Olympics

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the horse-is-a-horse-of-course-of-course-of-course dept.

Biotech 87

wisebabo writes with the news of a forward-thinking decision handed down by the Federation Equestre Internationale (reversing an earlier ban, so it's been on their minds) to not prohibit cloned horses from competing in the events it sanctions, including the Olympics. "Of course they'll still be restricted to the equestrian events (ha ha). One wonders if they'll be allowed to do the same in say, horse or dog racing. It'll then just come down to the ability of the jockeys I guess (or training). I wonder why they don't make all Olympic athletes use the same exact 'equipment' as their competitors. That would get rid of situations like with those super efficient swimsuits that were banned. Of course they really should return to the spirit of the original Games and compete naked. That would really improve ratings! (But it would make the winter games rather hazardous.) When do you think cloning athletes will become legal?" (Note to those who wish to enter more than one event: ultra-slippery swimsuits are back).

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Dupe! (1, Offtopic)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601851)

First post says: This is a dupe!

Re:Dupe! (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602155)

Of course they really should return to the spirit of the original Games and compete naked.

But that would just lead to other regulations and attempts to circumvent them. Women's swimming would be merely a contest between flat-chested completely hairless females, while men's swimming would involve recently-castrated completely hairless males. Contests between shaved persons whose gender can be determined only by genetic testing is not guaranteed to provide a spectacle people actually want to watch.

Then again, most of the current Olympics is just as bad - many of my colleagues refer to it as "turn-off-TV" month. I postponed a trip to Vancouver to avoid the Winter games, and plan on avoiding London just as assiduously. Without the absurd hype, it would be ignored more widely.

Re:Dupe! (1)

E1910 (2681139) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602195)

Uh, sports competitors almost always have great bodies. They get it from the exercise. Yes, that includes face too. And shaving yourself is not that much to do. Hell, they probably can get someone to do it for them.

But now back to cloned horses competing in normal races. Sure, but in the long run it will probably make every horse cloned to perfection. I mean, horse's penis can only grow so big it's better to clone the largest one and shove it in the back of the competitors owner. But will it make it more athlete like? No.

Re:Dupe! (2)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602573)

Uh, sports competitors almost always have great bodies.

I'm guessing this is in response to this line?

Women's swimming would be merely a contest between flat-chested completely hairless females, while men's swimming would involve recently-castrated completely hairless males.

If so, I think AliasMarlowe's point was that since you don't have clothing to streamline an athlete's body, only athletes that are naturally streamlined would be presented by their respective countries. That means athletes with big breasts, testicles, and/or penises* would be out, since those parts would increase drag.

*While AliasMarlowe only mentioned castration, they also mention requiring a genetic test to determine an athlete's gender, so I suspect they were including the removal of the penis.

Re:Dupe! (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40609475)

so I suspect they were including the removal of the penis

And IT guys thought they had to make sacrifices for their careers!

Re:Dupe! (2)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602439)

(insert theoretical creepiness in some sports here)

The gymnastics chicks are already fully pedo bear compatible, so at least with some events its not like they could possibly get any creepier. I dated a gymnast chick in high school and she was informed that she was looking "too old" to compete, because the judges only like the preteen look and she looked like a normal girl her age. So she was thinking about going into coaching because she didn't look pre-teen enough anymore yet she was pretty skilled. Some events are already maxed out freaky icky and completely unappealing so at least with some events its not like it could get any worse.

Re:Dupe! (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40610819)

In girls Olympic gymnastics -- not WOMENS' gymnastics because the competitors are all girls, not women, the trouble that women face is that they grow out of size for what they are expected to do. Once their bodies approach the size of normal women, it becomes physically impossible to do as many rotations in the air, jump their full height in the air off the spring floor or land a back flip ten thousand times in practice on the balance beam without breaking an ankle or worse. Taller women and those whose center of balance has shifted due to normal female development just can't do what little girls can do. They shouldn't have to. A new slate of skills needs to be devised that can be done by full-size (and I don't mean fat, but average-height or taller) women if we are ever to see women do gymnastics at the top level.

This would be possible: look at what male gymnasts do. Men's gymnastics are all coordination and strength. Size is not nearly as much of an issue and you never see anybody with a boy's body (though often with a boy's face) in top competitions.

Unlike most other sports, "women" gymnasts who compete well often look ungraceful or unpolished. That's also a consequence of their being so young. They haven't had time to learn how to move gracefully when they're still kids and have barely had time to learn their tricks at all.

First mayonnaise post (0)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601859)

I think there should either be unrestricted garnishing, or a single, Olympic standard mayonnaise.

If you're going to ban clones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40601867)

...you might as well ban TWINS from competing too.

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601897)

That's the way I understand it - as long as there's no genetic engineering going on, just a direct copy, then it's still no different than any other horse.

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601923)

Artificial selection anyone ?

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40614231)

Artificial selection has been going on for centuries. Should be hard to ban that.

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601925)

Actually, unless at least a little occurs, there tends to be telomerase shortening and some epigenetic issues - if anything the cloned horse should be less healthy/sturdy than the original. I'm guessing they've made strides to fix this issue. Still, having a cloned horse, to me, says that your groups ability to breed horses is not being tested - so really, everyone should have a cloned horse, all from the same source. Otherwise, if breeding ability is being tested, nobody should have a cloned horse.

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602057)

everyone should have a cloned horse, all from the same source.

And no one should copy the source, of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is released as open source!

(It was either Mr. Ed or Queen Chrysalis [youtube.com] , and since we all know there was only one Matrix movie, I went with Mr. Ed. What can I say, I wanted this day to be perfect.)

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602611)

And no one should copy the source of the horse, of course
That is, of course, unless the source of the horse is released as open source!

FTFY :)

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40601987)

...grabs a shovel [findagrave.com] and a loan...

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

beckett (27524) | more than 2 years ago | (#40603947)

it's still no different than any other horse.

not necessarily true: championship winning horses present with advantageous traits, such as huge hearts [nma.gov.au] ; increased scope for ventricular hypertrophy could very well be preserved by cloning, as the enlarged heart [horsesonly.com] is a sex-linked trait [pedigreepost.net] .

Re:If you're going to ban clones... (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40610919)

It's probably less than any other horse. Clones tend to have more physiological problems than animals produced the old-fashioned way. And what are breeders for if not to improve the stock beyond what is available in past generations?

And it's not all genetics either. There are a thousand variations of development in an animal as complex and intelligent as a horse that will affect how and even whether it can race.

Cloned animals won't all have the same temperament as their progenitor, and that is a very important thing in a racehorse. A horse might be a perfect physical specimen and yet because of some slight variation in temperament (brain development?), he doesn't have the will to win a race. Or an animal that seems physically ordinary (for a racehorse) may turn out to have more energy reserves left in the last quarter mile and pass the field. You just can't tell how a horse is going to race until you've raced him or her a few times. Cloning won't change that.

And how much of winning is the match between a great horse and a jockey who knows her and how she needs to be ridden?

Really bad ethics.... (2)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601871)

nothing to prevent (short of lack of funds) trainers from cloning ten animals and taking greater risks with training because they have spares.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601909)

The same could be said of naturally bred horses. If you have enough money, you can just keep breeding the best together, weed out the unsuccessful ones and still have a whole lot of very good stock to train with plenty of "spares".

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601969)

No it can't.

If I make now 10 clones, I have in 2 - 3 years 10 exact copies of my "parent" horse.

If I breed 10 offsprings, first of all the female horse is 10 times pregnant in a row. Or I have to take 10 different female horses ... which obvioulsy introduces differences.

Further more, even if the same father and the same mother get 10 childs, they all will be different. So weeding the unsuccessfuls out might even weed all ten out ...

It is not unlikely that the trait that made the father and the mother successful wont be inherited at all.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

tilante (2547392) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602157)

We don't have artificial wombs yet, so if you clone 10 horses at once, you still need 10 different female horses... and there's a potential for differences there as well, since the prenatal environment of each clone won't be the same. Once the ten clones are born, they each have to be raised up and trained. There'll be differences introduced there as well. Cloning isn't like a copy machine. It's more like artificial twinning, with the additional complication that the twin may be implanted in a different mother, and may be much younger than the original.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

yodleboy (982200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40604271)

Exactly. Given enough money and enough mares, you could make hundreds of attempts, but the amount you could make back in winnings and stud fees has to be tiny compared to how much it would cost to run a breeding program like this. Now you could collect eggs and sperm from 2 horses, and then use in vitro fertilization and surrogate mares. You'd at least just have 2 sets of genetic material, but genetics is such a crap shoot, you'd go broke trying to get even 10 "perfect" horses.

Cloning would be much more efficient and cheaper, with much more certainty of results.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40610967)

No it can't.

If I make now 10 clones, I have in 2 - 3 years 10 exact copies of my "parent" horse.

Cloning doesn't work like that. You have 10 genetic copies of the original horse, every one almost as different from the original horse as if you had bred the same stud to 10 different well-bred mares. There's a lot of random variation in gene expression in clones. But you get to use ordinary mares to gestate them, which is a saving and maybe worth it if one of those 10 clones turns out to be a good racer.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#40612055)

That already happens.

All race horses can be traced back to three thoroughbreds.

Re:Really bad ethics.... (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601943)

You need to train teh spare ones, too! So I guess a lack of time preents this. And: the horse likes to bond with the rider. So, the rider has to ride all horses ...

Re:Really bad ethics....(edit correction) (2)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602355)

cloning one animal ten times, and taking chances with the training of the clones.,
because if you take a risk that breaks a leg, you shoot it and have 9 more.

I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (5, Interesting)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601887)

How long before the paralympics become some kind of cyborg olympics? It's like the ban of drugs and performance boosters on athletes. We all want to see what records can be broken, just how far can we push the human body (within limits, I don't want to see lives destroyed for a record).

The olympics has become (or was it always in it's modern form?) a corporate circus. So let's go next step and merge formula 1 with it. /A Londoner not looking forward to public transport soon

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (2)

rednip (186217) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602011)

Londoner not looking forward to public transport soon

I lived in Atlanta during the 1996 Olympics and everyone predicted a traffic nightmare, but the reality couldn't be farther from the truth. Traffic was a breeze. Many workers took vacations, some to volunteer, others to watch, but many left town altogether. The out-of-towners hit the public transit a little hard, but the only stations really overcrowded were the ones closest to the venues. While it's likely that your fears are misguided, in the end it might be the perfect time to rent a car and get to know the surface streets of London a little better.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602321)

This was pretty much my experience with NATO in Chicago as well...

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

trevc (1471197) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602881)

You obviously know nothing about London.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 2 years ago | (#40604961)

Most of what typical Americans know about London comes from fiction set in the Victorian era, of which Doyle's writings, and the many horribly-derivative works based on them, are probably the most important. You may now commence cringing, if you are so inclined.

Oh, we also know about Trafalgar square, for whatever that's worth.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40605503)

Oh, we also know about Trafalgar square, for whatever that's worth.

Don't forget those traffic-circle thingies. I think I saw a PBS special that had one!

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

rednip (186217) | more than 2 years ago | (#40605917)

Obviously, you know nothing about how to present a rebuttal.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40605923)

Wow. Awesome addition to the discussion. You must be very proud.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40607199)

Rebutting it would be like rebutting that the sky is red.

Suggesting that you should start driving around London invalidates anything you might say on the subject of transport in London.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#40610907)

Considering Atlanta traffic, a nightmare would be a distinct improvement (spoken by someone who lives in the DC metro area).

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#40612037)

1. Unless you've already booked, hiring a car during the olympics is almost impossible.

2. Cars travel at about 10mph through London. Cloned horses are faster.

I don't drive in London. No one with any sense does. The last time I drove through London (city) was on a Friday night during the rush hour. It took 2.5 hours to get out of London; about 10 miles. 1 hour to drive the other 75 miles home.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (5, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602283)

Frankly, I'd love to see a competition where athletes use whatever enhancements they can. Pump yourself up with drugs, get blood transfusions from fifty people before you start the race, bring on the cyborgs an eunuchs! No holds barred.

Sure, some hearts may just simply explode, but the Olympics stopped being about sportsmanship a long time ago, so why keep up pretenses.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (3, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602609)

bring on the cyborgs

We already have those sports, instead of running we have cycling and formula one, depending on whether you allow engines or not. They're just not fancy enough to be called cyborgs. What's the point of seeing how far a spring-loaded jumper can be catapulted in the high jump? We already have human cannonball shows. Sure the Olympics have turned into a perversion of itself, but sports is a lot more than that and I'd hate to see kids and youth thinking it's all about the drugs and turning themselves into freaks of nature.

You can hate it all you want, but it is reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40606697)

You can hate it all you want, but it is reality. Sports and health parted ways many years ago.

Trainers and coaches usually have either no, or dangerous medical and health knowledge. (Read about the schoolkids forced to practice all afternoon without water - even today!)

"sports" jumped the shark a long, long time ago. Equipment, "training", diet, regimes all turn ordinary people into freaks - pitchers, gymnasts, footballers, etc. - they and many others are freaks and usually damaged goods. Pity especially the 99.999 % that took all the pain and realized little or no gain.

Why are little children playing tackle football, which causes known, permanent brain damage? Why anyone?

Most serious athletes will eventually realize they have damaged their bodies.

Competition is a malevolent force unless carefully controlled.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (1)

hazydave (96747) | more than 2 years ago | (#40603089)

Actually, I agree with that. Not a huge sports fan, but if there really were some kind of "Trans-human Olympics", which allowed the best combination of athletics and weird science, I'd be more likely to stick around past the opening ceremonies. Better a separate event than just letting it leak in to the regular Olympics. I'd also expect that cloned horse to eventually have bits of tiger or dinosaur DNA... now THAT would be a horse!

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40603219)

there is the moral and public health problem about what happens to people getting such a treatment when young after a few years.

In Italy many soccer players from the 70s are having various motory dysfunctions which could be connected to drugs used in professional soccer at the time. They were not informed about this either.

Sport federation should protect young athletes from such treatments and exploitation.

Re:I'd rather see changes to paralympics... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40606815)

That's a bit unfair... some nations have nukes.

What? (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601889)

Based on the excerpt I am not even remotely tempted to follow the link. Something about preferring coherently written prose.

I'd like to blame the editors... (1)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602447)

... but all they did was change the formatting a little and delete one or two sentences. As my only defense all I can say is I wrote it very quickly because I didn't want to be scooped. Here's my original submission:

Cloned Horses Ok To Compete In The Olympics

"Of course they'll still be restricted to the equestrian events (ha ha).

One wonders if they'll be allowed to do the same in say horse or dog racing. It'll then just come down to the ability of the jockeys I guess (or training).

I wonder why they don't make all Olympic athletes use the same exact "equipment" as their competitors. That would get rid of situations like with those super efficient swimsuits that were banned. Of course they really should return to the spirit of the original Games and compete NAKED. That would really improve ratings! (But it would make the winter games rather hazardous.)

When do you think cloning ATHELETES will become legal? That's something I wouldn't put past the old USSR/East European Block. Remember the "women" atheletes they sent?"

Link to Original Source

Re:I'd like to blame the editors... (1)

yukk (638002) | more than 2 years ago | (#40608335)

When do you think cloning ATHELETES will become legal? That's something I wouldn't put past the old USSR/East European Block. Remember the "women" atheletes they sent?"

Link to Original Source

What do you mean when will it become legal ? It may not be legal but you can bet that certain countries *cough*China*cough* are already doing that.

For some regimes the only real definition of illegal involves being caught.

Maybe all should be cloned? (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601895)

It seems to me, that by making all the horses a clone of the same original horse (i.e. no clones-of-clones), then the variables will be reduced to the ability of the individual to play, as well as raise/train the horses - more in line with the Olympics, I think, than breeding abilities.

Then again, if they want it to be a test of horse breeding too, then cloning shouldn't be allowed. I guess, what I'm getting at, all competing horses should be cloned from the same original horse (no clones of clones), OR no clones should be allowed.

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602063)

The thing is that genetics aren't the only things being tested in an Olympic event, and horses are more than just "equipment". As with a human athlete, training is a large part of a horse's performance in an athletic event, both in terms of physical ability (if you have human twins and one trains as a runner and the other as a diver, guess who's going to beat the other at a 100-meter track event?) and in terms of response to the rider's cues (maintaining a pace, turning at exactly the right moment, planting at the right distance that the arc of their jump clears the fence, jumping technique, and sheer willingness to jump an intimidating fence that can be both taller than the horse and deeper than the horse is long).

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (2)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602087)

They should clone the jockeys also. So we can find out who among them trained the hardest. While at it, while not clone all athletes, so we can have the Clone Games.

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602773)

But we would have to change the name to The Cloned War-Games and give Lucas the rights to it from now on.

Captcha: mimicked

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 2 years ago | (#40604433)

Except the jockeys are the human factor - what the race is about. The horses are just a tool for the competitors.

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (1)

zlives (2009072) | more than 2 years ago | (#40606345)

i think the betting industry is the "human factor"
also while we are at it... centaurs

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (1)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40608581)

Right. The athletes are the tools for the gamblers to bet on, the commercial sponsors to sell their stuff, and sometimes governments to score political points (e.g. US vs. USSR).

Re:Maybe all should be cloned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40616129)

Funny thing though in some of the equestrian events (not jumping), they do switch the riders around the horses. Not a full round-robin, but a given rider will ride at least one other rider's horse.

Cloned jokeys (1)

kikito (971480) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601921)

That's what I'm interested in.

Not only horses and swimsuit ... (1)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601955)

New athletics track suit ...

And presumably new bicycles designs for the velodrome/road, new pistol/bow for the target events, new javelins designs, new discuss, new pole for the pole vault ... etc ... etc ... etc

Oh .. and new designer drugs !!!!

Re:Not only horses and swimsuit ... (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602061)

...but horses *in* swimsuits!

And presumably new bicycles designs...

The equestrian cycling events are my favorite, but there's always room for improvement, such as preventing their tails from getting caught up in the rear wheel or the gears.

$RANDOM_PONY_REFERENCE

Re:Not only horses and swimsuit ... (1)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602183)

tails, eh?

good point ... that probably explains why circuses never got more advanced than bears on bicycles

Is there any ban on cloned athletes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40601977)

I'd speculate the Games in Beijing may have been the debut of genetically modified athletes and the reason behind the Chinese athletes with questionable birth certificates and young ages.

Awesome! (2)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#40601993)

> I wonder why they don't make all Olympic athletes
> use the same exact 'equipment' as their competitors.

That'd be frickin' sweet! Like IROC [wikipedia.org] but with horses!

Violates the Spirit of the Race (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602007)

I mean, hell, why not just fill the field of every race with Ron Turcotte clones riding Secretariat clones?

Without the competition of breeding, all horse racing really consist of is a midget and some dirt.

No point in cloned athletes (at the moment) (2)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602059)

Why clone people (even if it was possible) when it would take 20-25 years for them become (potentially) champion athletes

It's much easier to illegally train (ie drug) unknown athletes for a few years, untested by drug authorities, before making a enormous debut into competition.

History says this works quite well ... Off the top of my head:
- germans in the 70s
- US track in the 80s
- cyclists in the 90s
- chinese swimmers in the 00s

and dare i suggest the current dominance of Jamaican sprinters who have 5 of the fatest 7 male sprinters

Before you dare, check their biological passport (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602429)

Currently athletes planning on participating in the Olympics are required to participate in biological passport program and be available 24/7 year round for testing.

Wikipedia Biological Passport [wikipedia.org]

Bradley Wiggins on those who believe dopers win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40604767)

“Honestly they’re just fucking wankers. I can’t be doing with people like that,” Wiggins said. “It justifies their own bone idleness because they can’t ever imagine applying themselves to anything in their lives.

“And it’s easy for them to sit under a pseudonym on Twitter and write that kind of shit rather than get off their arses and apply themselves and work hard at something and achieve something.”

He paused, tossed the microphone on the table and left.

Kind of amazing (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602075)

For an industry which used to (and for all I know still does) prohibit artificial insemination, that cloning should even be considered seems crazy.

Jockey Club rule (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40604245)

For an industry which used to (and for all I know still does) prohibit artificial insemination, that cloning should even be considered seems crazy.

That's just a Jockey Club rule [jockeyclub.com] for thoroughbred racehorses. For other breeds, artificial insemination is common. Horse breeding involves only a small number of stallions; most stallions are gelded and never bred.

A horse is a horse (1)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602171)

of course. This hits home in a lot of the cloning arguments. As long as "they" are not selecting genes from multiple horses to create a super horse I don't personally feel as though this would be wrong. Realistically speaking, even if they do clone the horse, there is no guarantee it'll be the same.

Re:A horse is a horse (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#40610925)

I was with you for a bit, but notice you forgot the fine print: "but what if the horse is the famous Mr. Ed?"

Clone the Olympics (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602229)

Could we clone the Olympics and have an event with the same questionable "sports" but no corporate sponsorship, no control-freaks, no rules-lawyers, no TV commercials by the winners, no idiotic sports announcers (at least in the USA; compare "ninja warrior" as imported from Japan to the tired formulaic coverage on the locally produced shows). Basically clone the olympics, flush the trash down the drain, and try the new improved cleaned up version?

Just a international group getting together and flinging javelins for the heck of it? I'd much rather see a "renn-faire re-enactment of real olympics" than see the trashy modern TV version.

Also could we get rid of non-Olympic events? The ancient Greek biathlon in the winter games complete with high powered target rifles? The ancient greek triathlon in the summer games with bicycling? Come on, get real, just because it involves people sweating doesn't mean its a sport, or I'm going to demand the "oil change competition" or the "lawn mowing competition" be inaugurated next time. OK we can stop slavering olive oil on the athletes, and some "sports" really are safer with clothing, but other than those minor concessions to modernity I think the shot put is more "olympic" than synchronized swimming.

Re:Clone the Olympics (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602735)

So you'd be against a frist psot competition?

That's a rather narrow way of looking at it...

Olympics or Pharmalympics? (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602239)

The equestrian sports are not only about the rider but also about the horse.
Like with doping in other sports this should not lead to a competition about who has the best medical support so I think this is a stupid step onto a very slippery slope.

Drop all restrictions (4, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602545)

Personally, I wish they'd drop ALL restrictions.
Let's see what the best labs, piles of money, human ingenuity, and OCD athletes can accomplish.

I want to see sprinters winning the 10k in under 10m times with spliced cheetah tendons, and hyperoxygenated shrew blood.
I want to see swimmers with shark skin, webbed everything, and re-plumbed breathing holes out the top of their head doing the 1500m without taking 2nd breath.

Screw it, it's all about $$ anyway, and these athletes are already essentially sacrificing a normal existence for their sport. Let's see what we can accomplish when we REALLY try.

Re:Drop all restrictions (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602777)

Make it like old NASCAR, then? Essentially waiting for a sprinter to collapse and die fo a massive infarct a foot from the finish line?

Sounds like progress to me. Not. Not everyone goes to NASCAR races to see someone turn right in traffic. Ignornin the three road courses naturally.

Obligatory (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 2 years ago | (#40605335)

It would be like the All Drug Olypmics [hulu.com]

Re:Drop all restrictions (2)

TheLink (130905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40606623)

All restrictions? So you'd be fine with "runners" driving/flying high speed vehicles? Or killing each other?

No restrictions and no rules = no sport, no game. Seems to me what you really want are different restrictions.

So you need to think harder about why your restrictions would be better than the current restrictions.

Re:Drop all restrictions (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40626759)

If you can't tell the fundamental difference between one rule (in a footrace, people actually have to be running and can't, for example, fly a rocket) and another (runners cannot take a certain type of drug before a race), you've got bigger problems, chum.

Re:Drop all restrictions (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 2 years ago | (#40628313)

I'll just point out that you were the one who was saying "drop ALL restrictions". Note your own emphasis. I currently can't think of a game without restrictions. Different restrictions, different game. No restrictions, no game.

So if you want a particular sort of running game/sport, you're going to need to think harder and deeper about the rules than "drop ALL restrictions". Otherwise you might as well play Calvinball.

Actually ... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40602783)

Of course they'll still be restricted to the equestrian events (ha ha).

... I was thinking of the Top Chef [bravotv.com] event (ha, ha).

I call for a rematch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40602813)

Seabiscuit vs. War Admiral at the olympics!
Victor goes on to race Secretariat...

The Games! (1)

BorelHendrake (1496471) | more than 2 years ago | (#40603019)

Reminds me of the bit from "The Games" where John and Brian are arguing about whether or not genetically modified horses should be allowed to compete in the Olympics... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0pRe4GApTg [youtube.com]

Bring Cloning & Dinosaurs into Olympics +No ru (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40603685)

Horses......pshhht!!!

I heard scientists are going to clone a Mastodon, so why stop there?

Lets clone a whole herd of Tricerotops, then get them outfitted with bulletproof armor, pump them up with enough angel dust to kill a 20 horses.

We'll also bring in death-row criminals and do the same to them and throw them into the arena as well, but also give them military grade weaponry as well.

And then just let them all loose in an arena! Survival of the fittest!

Re:Bring Cloning & Dinosaurs into Olympics +No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40608761)

Unlike the Olympics, I'd watch that.

public attention to olympics (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 2 years ago | (#40606005)

I suggest public attention to Olympics should be diverted to a better place by declaring Olympic games as a form of entertainment.

Why would anyone care about the rules of Big Brother or Jersey Shore?

Yoda? (1)

cfalcon (779563) | more than 2 years ago | (#40618455)

Begun, the Clone Races have!

Cloning athletes? No sir. (1)

tzot (834456) | more than 2 years ago | (#40674799)

Where's the money in cloning athletes? Now, if you get some hair from celebrities (say, Marilyn Monroe or any other sex symbol), you clone the celebrity and raise the child in a very protected environment to be sold to a tycoon when s/he matures (although most of the capital would be given in advance, so the clone would be mostly pre-sold), now there's a *lot* of money. Of course, it's most unethical and illegal, but that never stopped supply and demand.

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