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Solar X-Flare Blasts Directly Toward Earth

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the taunting-bruce-willis dept.

Space 223

Freshly Exhumed writes with this excerpt from Space Weather: "Big sunspot AR1520 unleashed an X1.4-class solar flare on July 12th at 1653 UT. Because this sunspot is directly facing Earth, everything about the blast was geoeffective. For one thing, it hurled a coronal mass ejection (CME) directly toward our planet. According to a forecast track prepared by analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab, the CME will hit Earth on July 14th around 10:20 UT (+/- 7 hours) and could spark strong geomagnetic storms. Sky watchers should be alert for auroras this weekend."

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Oh, man (1, Offtopic)

elrous0 (869638) | about 2 years ago | (#40645827)

Now I'm NEVER going to get to see The Dark Knight Rises.

Re:Oh, man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646223)

CAN'T we steer this flare towards Africa so it hits where there's no significant technology and infrastructure to get damaged?

That's racist! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646385)

Africa has lots of technology like and such as.

Re:That's racist! (1)

philip.paradis (2580427) | about 2 years ago | (#40646631)

Africa has lots of technology like and such as.

That sentence makes no sense, unless you were attempting to humorously bolster the claim that the entire continent of Africa is devoid of any modern technology. If the latter is true, that would be an erroneous claim.

nice. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645863)

I got my foil oven ready to cook hotdogs.

Re:nice. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645877)

Who cares about a fucking hotdog. Children are starving in Africa and you give a shit about a fucking hotdog? Fuck you. Instead of shooting electron beams at a hotdog to see what happens these scientists should be in the wheat fields growing food for starving children in 3rd world countries. First world fuckers like yourself are decadent faggots who care more about a hotdog than humans. Those same starving children probably mined the hotdog for you so you could play with it in your lab. Fuckers.

Taking the bait from a probably sarcastic troll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645975)

And if throughout history all of our scientists had stayed in wheat fields so that hungry people would eat, we wouldn't have invented a way of sending wheat over to 3rd world countries anyways so having them grow extra wheat wouldn't help feed anyone anyways.

Re:Taking the bait from a probably sarcastic troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646367)

People who can't recognize sarcasm should be sent to the hotdog mines.

Re:nice. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645977)

Hot dog mining, eh? Where can I find a video online of a demonstration?

Re:nice. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646063)

I got my foil oven ready to cook hotdogs.

Who cares about a fucking hotdog. Children are starving in Africa and you give a shit about a fucking hotdog? Fuck you.

Whoa there, big sticky!
The only reason I was going to cook hotdogs is to feed the starving children of Africa!
I've been waiting for a big CME to cook the 143,239,293.67 hotdogs I've collected over the past 20 years for this project.
Finally, world hunger will be ended, and there will be a dog in every little african pot-belly.

Re:nice. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646187)

Not good enough, frankly it surprises me you haven't heard the old adage "If you feed a man a hotdog, you've fed him for a day, if you teach a man to mine hotdogs you've fed him for life."

Re:nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646229)

I see what you did there.

Re:nice. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646243)

Who cares about a fucking hotdog. Children are starving in Africa and you give a shit about a fucking hotdog? Fuck you. Instead of shooting electron beams at a hotdog to see what happens these scientists should be in the wheat fields growing food for starving children in 3rd world countries. First world fuckers like yourself are decadent faggots who care more about a hotdog than humans. Those same starving children probably mined the hotdog for you so you could play with it in your lab. Fuckers.

if you want to give africans something that will help their poverty and famine situation... some kind of aerosolized birth control that's effective for a long time after a single dose makes the most sense. just "dust" their population centers. or did you think people who're starving are in a good position to make babies?

Re:nice. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#40646399)

The sad part is that you probably don't even realize you're despicable.

Re:nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646475)

Care to justify your position? You might find it harder than you think.

Re:nice. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#40646505)

Why? If they can't support themselves, why isn't population control part of a solution? He isn't saying go shoot people, just create a dramatic drop in birth rate for a limited time.

Re:nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646589)

Because the best way to control population is to take away the reasons that people have so many children, not the ability to do so. That improves live expectancy, quality of life, and has the knock on effect of reducing the birth rate.

Re:nice. (1)

busyqth (2566075) | about 2 years ago | (#40646661)

The sad part is that you probably don't even realize you're despicable.

No, no! you said that wrong!
You're supposed to say it like this: "You'rrrrrreeee DITH-PICABLE!"

Re:nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646689)

Those same starving children probably mined the hotdog for you so you could play with it in your lab. Fuckers.

I don't think hotdog mean what you think it means.

Summer Light (4, Insightful)

orangebox (1997192) | about 2 years ago | (#40645871)

The Aurora Forecast [alaska.edu] predicts a good show. Too bad I doubt it will get dark enough in AK for my friends to see. Hopefully I can see it down here in Washington!

Re:Summer Light (1)

mapkinase (958129) | about 2 years ago | (#40645995)

Is there any chance for Marylandia?

Re:Summer Light (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#40646785)

Not much chance for aurorae in Finland during "summer". There's not much darkness at night, unless it's really very cloudy - bright skies don't help with seeing aurorae. Anyway we've been mostly under clouds recently with a procession of low pressure systems and associated rainy fronts - clouds and rain don't help with seeing aurorae.

Should I back up my porn to optical disc? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645873)

Just curious. Okay, and my financial stuff, too.

Re:Should I back up my porn to optical disc? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645893)

Every day. As Peter North used to say, backup early, backup often. Or was that Peter Norton?

Re:Should I back up my porn to optical disc? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646089)

No, the saying was "up the back early and often"

Revised Forcast (5, Informative)

rminsk (831757) | about 2 years ago | (#40645875)

The CME launched toward Earth by yesterday's X-flare is moving faster than originally thought. Analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab have revised their forecast accordingly, advancing the cloud's expected arrival time to 09:17 UT (5:17 am EDT) on Saturday, July 14th. Weekend auroras are likely.

Full power to forward battle screens (1)

Beeftopia (1846720) | about 2 years ago | (#40645883)

"We can't outrun it. Turn to radial one-eight-zero, stop; one-five, stop. Full power to forward battle screens. Brace for impact."

Power off and unplug computers tonight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645885)

Anyone think it's a good idea to shut things down for the next 24 hours or so? Or would it even make any difference?

I care about my data more than the computers. Have terabytes of data, no way to back up to optical or similar.

Considering how little alarm there is, it makes me believe this could be bad (ie. the mass opinion is usually wrong).

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645931)

Run to the store, buy some chocolate, eat it quickly, SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING and then wrap it in the chocolate foil. Than wait 72 hours for the flare to fully pass. Use the time free from the internets to visit the library and read a book about the Earth magnetic field.

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646037)

Well my Internet isn't working so explain that motherfucker.

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646103)

While the compounds in the chocolate might help calm raw nerves, might I suggest getting reynolds nonstick pan liner instead?

It is essentially a huge roll of paper backed aluminum foil.

http://bakingbites.com/2012/02/reynolds-wrap-nonstick-pan-lining-paper-reviewed/ [bakingbites.com]

Shit's awesome!

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646145)

The paper tarnishes the purity of the tinfoil, so, close but no cigar.

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#40646155)

Wrap it all in tinfoil, go buy more ammo and fill your bathtub with water.... I'm looting the vending machines at work as soon as my shift ends....

THE END IS NEAR!!!!!! SHTF TIME!!!!! WOOOOOO!

That 1976 Suburban that get's 2.3mpg is gonna pay off!

Re:Power off and unplug computers tonight? (5, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | about 2 years ago | (#40646349)

I'm looting the vending machines at work as soon as my shift ends

Sigh... we just finished cleaning up from yesterday. The European central bank says something. Loot the vending machines. The Fed says something. Loot the vending machines. Your team loses. Loot the vending machines. Your team wins. Loot the vending machines. Some whack job on the radio says the world is ending. You guessed it. Loot the vending machines. I'm beginning to think that you guys will use any excue just to... what? They're looting the vending machines again? What is it this time? Somebody installed Linux on the desktop? Holy crap. Fuck posting on Slashdot. I'm going to LOOT THE VENDING MACHINE.

And now I get how the submission system works... (1)

seibai (1805884) | about 2 years ago | (#40645909)

I submitted this same story about a half hour ago, but in a form not nearly as well written. The author of this post seems to have taken that and run with it.

This is cool, and also explains why people occasionally complain about their stories having been "stolen".

Is it so wrong? (5, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40645915)

Is it wrong of me to be disheartened that this CME isn't stronger?

I won't lie, a fairly large part of me (the part where the evil genius lives) wants a very very powerful geomagnetic storm to devistate our powergrids, knock out communications, fry satelites, and cause general chaos and havok.

I understand that engineers often have antisocial tendencies, and I fully comprehend the ramifications of this unusual desire, but I still retain it.

Is it so wrong?

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645947)

As cool as it would be for that to happen, I'd be pretty pretty pissed at the internet going down and my laptop and phone frying internally. I mean, I would be amazed for about 5mins until I try to check my email.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646023)

, he says, via the Internet.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646111)

Yes, because a lot of people would die.

Our global society would be set back to 300 years ago, except no one has any experience living as a fucking pioneer; we're all air-conditioned and supermarket-fed. So everyone that doesn't have TEOTWAWKI preparations would die. And then most of the survivors would die of looters and starvation, and the looters would die of cholera and previously preventable illnesses.

So I find your opinion ignorant at best, sociopathic and homicidal at worst.

Re:Is it so wrong? (5, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 years ago | (#40646183)

I actually agree with him to a certain extent, but instead of a CME, I'd rather see an asteroid hit the earth. I don't actually want anyone to die; I'd like it to hit an uninhabited area such as Antarctica or Siberia (like the Tunguska Event). The reason is simple: I think we humans need a good kick in the pants to work on our space program, so we can deal with problems like this (and also so we can achieve other things, like extracting resources offworld), but it doesn't look like it's going to happen until people get a good wake-up call. We've had a bunch of near-misses, including one a few weeks ago IIRC, but we haven't had a good asteroid strike since Tunguska in the early 1900s. Maybe if another Tunguska-sized event happened, people would finally get a clue, realize that there's much bigger ones out there (such as Apophis, which really is on a collision course with us) and get serious about dedicating resources to space programs. The old saying is "necessity is the mother of invention", but the corollary to that is that humans don't usually bother preparing for anything unless they've learned the hard way that they need to.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646295)

Quite right!

Most of the reason for my desire for such an event is to spur investment in better infrastructure than the horribly inefficient and unreliable networks we have in place right now.

The power grids we have are well documented as being vulnerable, and are horribly inefficient compared to more modern technologies, but have the benefit of already being in place, and therefor "cheap".

A good sized CME impacting the magnetosphere would disrupt the powergrids in a cascade failure, causing global power outages, and the necessity to rebuild the power distribution networks.

Contrary to the opinions on the matter of many ACs here, the intent behind the desire is not simply to cause chaos for the sake of chaos, but to cause that chaos to spur positive innovation and better decison making on the part of mankind.

It is important to note that I cannot and would not *cause* a large CME for this purpose. I am merely disheartened that this NATURAL one is not sufficiently strong enough to case such a disturbance.

Thanks for being honest.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 years ago | (#40646351)

Contrary to the opinions on the matter of many ACs here, the intent behind the desire is not simply to cause chaos for the sake of chaos, but to cause that chaos to spur positive innovation and better decison making on the part of mankind.

Yep, unfortunately, most of the time people don't bother to improve things until they're forced to, otherwise they become lazy and complacent. We made a ridiculous amount of progress in a small time in the fields of aviation and space travel back in the 40s-60s, going from very slow piston-driven airplanes to planes that could fly at Mach 3 at 100,000 feet, launching rockets out of the atmosphere and sending men to the Moon, all because they felt compelled to by international tensions, but after that eased up, all progress came to a screeching halt and since then it's just been slow incremental improvements (like slightly more fuel-efficient jet engines, and lately winglets, whoopee).

The only field that seems like it's really improving at a good rate these days is mobile computing devices; everything else is pretty stagnant.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#40646529)

" all progress came to a screeching halt "
that's not even close to correct.

Pretty much every field is improving, and pretty quick. In some fields innovation is only being stifled by manufacturing,

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 years ago | (#40646591)

Examples? I sure don't see any progress. I'll name a few fields:

1) Automotive. Cars don't look any different now than they did 10 years ago, and technologically they're pretty much the same. The fuel economy is slightly improved with some brands, mostly thanks to gasoline direct injection, though there's some concerns about how these engines do over long terms.
2) Aviation. The only advances I see are a couple of space startups (SpaceX etc.) launching rockets and creating some prototype spacecraft. That's nice, but it's not really an advance since we've been doing that for decades, they're just figuring out now how to privatize it and do it a little cheaper. We have yet to see if any of the more radical ideas actually pan out or not; so far all they've succeeded in doing is launching satellites using newer, private designs rather than reused ICBMs.
3) Computers (meaning desktops, servers, etc.). Nothing new here at all, in fact a lot of giant steps backwards (GNOME3, Windows 8 Metro coming soon). For most computer users, they finally got an overdue upgrade to XP in the form of Win7, but there's no real advances there, just some updates. The CPUs have gotten better now that Intel's abandoned Netburst (P4), but clock speeds are stuck, they're just adding cores to try to make new ones look better, and the power efficiency has gotten slightly better.
4) Mobile computing. This is where all the real advancement is these days, as mentioned before.

So please, tell me where all these alleged advances in other fields are. I sure don't see any. Also, things which haven't made it out of the lab, and quite possibly are nothing more than a scam to get investor money before disappearing, don't count. I can't tell you how many articles about some new "revolutionary" automotive engine I've seen over the past 20 years, and nothing ever comes of it, probably because it's all BS.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#40646523)

Maybe you should study up on the grid a bit before saying stupid things?
Quick, whats the power loss of 4000 miles?

Re:Is it so wrong? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646185)

I had similar desires for some kind of disaster, back when I was young and stupid.

I had no money and was looking at a lifetime of working for a living in a society with materialistic values I did not share. As far as I could tell, "the system" wasn't working for me, so I wanted to see it ended.

Fortunately for me, it did not end. If it did, I would have died right along with all the other millions of city-dwellers who would suddenly be without their influx of food. No farms+efficient food shipping = no food = starve to death or be eaten by starving cannibals (who will subsequently starve to death anyway). Sure, there are plenty of supermarkets in the city...all of which would be picked dry within a day. There is no viable source of food within a city that can supply the hordes of humans that dwell therein...it would be a grizzly end for all of us.

  The system was working for me then just as it is working for me now...people across the globe are growing food for me, making clothes for me, generating electricity for me, building computers for me, and so on. Everything I DO like about life is built for me by the hands of other humans...working a job is what I do in return. Sure, a few rich assholes with a disgusting sense of entitlement get to indulge in extreme luxury at our expense, and it is frustrating, but even so, the deal we get is still awesome (when reflected-upon by a clear mind).

Grow up, weird_w, your disaster would be your end and the end of everything you love.

Re:Is it so wrong? (5, Insightful)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about 2 years ago | (#40646241)

Yes, because a lot of people would die.

Our global society would be set back to 300 years ago, except no one has any experience living as a fucking pioneer; we're all air-conditioned and supermarket-fed. So everyone that doesn't have TEOTWAWKI preparations would die. And then most of the survivors would die of looters and starvation, and the looters would die of cholera and previously preventable illnesses.

So I find your opinion ignorant at best, sociopathic and homicidal at worst.

Heh. I have ammo, know how to hunt and skin, know how to preserve food, actually love the taste of squirrel, do my own garden and keep seeds up, understand how to make and maintain a well. Can rebuild old cars - ones without fancy electronical thingies.

And I'm a geek that earns a living as a programmer.

Granted, only a first generation American - but my parents and grandparents taught me how to not rely on supermarkets and stuff.

If the world fell apart, I'm mean enough to stick around for a long time.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646303)

The hardest step for you will be finding your way out of the basement first.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about 2 years ago | (#40646393)

The hardest step for you will be finding your way out of the basement first.

The house I own does not have a basement.

So yes, If I was in a basement, it would be an issue.

Re:Is it so wrong? (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#40646539)

Ah, yes that will be really handy when 100,000 people show up at your door.

People who think they will hide in the woods and fend for themselves are deluded.

"And I'm a geek that earns a living as a programmer."
yes, all the skills that are completely useless in that event.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646757)

they will arrive at my door, to find i am not home.

the first thing i would do, is abandon my wood frame home. it poses to great a prospect for bands of looters and gangs of thugs. they are welcome to what is inside. i wont be home, and would not return.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 2 years ago | (#40646645)

I own guns too. And about everyone I know does as well. We all know how to garden, hunt, skin, and preserve food. You would be surprised at how many people know this stuff.

But here is probably what you are not thinking of, this late in the season, you are probably going to have a 3 month wait for anything seeded unless you already have a garden. If you already have one, you will have to worry about it being raided by your neighbors and desperate people who have families too. You might say, well, I'll guard it, but you can't realistically do that without some punk just shooting you from 100 yards away when you are pissing in the bushes. So you are in reality probably going to have to abandon that garden and create a secrete one somewhere and hope no one finds it.

As for hunting, in most states, the deer population was almost extinguished from all the hunting done during the great depression int he 1930's. This is important to consider because there was a lot more habitat and a lot less people then. Granted, most people now will not have a gun, but it is not hard to make primitive weapons and hunt in groups.

The bottom line is you will not be as well off as you think for long. If you are not living on the side of a mountain where the wilderness runs for miles, you might be lucky to last 6 months without needing the help of someone else. So reach out to find others in like abilities or complimentary abilities and after a few months, look at pooling resources and efforts.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646127)

The reset button is tantalizing. But that same button is also the everyone dies button...

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646341)

You say that, as if it was a bad thing...

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#40646137)

Is it wrong of me to be disheartened that this CME isn't stronger?

If it is, NASCAR is also a great evil. Which, you know, it is, but not for that reason.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1, Funny)

ldobehardcore (1738858) | about 2 years ago | (#40646157)

I dunno man. The evil genius part of me wants to build an electronium hat powered by sunspots in order to emit cognitive radiation.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646175)

Considering your loser ass wouldn't be able to waste time on Slashdot if that happened, I'm guessing you'd like that a lot less than you think. In fact once it became clear that society would have to rebuild I'm pretty sure people would throw you on the barbecue. People who have "antisocial tendencies" tend not to do very well when they have to deal with...you know...other people? The kind you don't talk through a computer over?

"Ooh, I'm an engineer, is it so wrong that I want the world to end?" Not necessarily...being as huge of an arrogant shithead on the other hand, that's entirely wrong. You want something to work on, work on that.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646267)

Hmm..

You know, I actually *am* a trained survivalist.

I don't, explicitly, 'require' modern technology. I *do* know how to live without it. It would be significantly harder, and I wouldn't have access to exotic resources and educational sources like I do now, but I can live without those.

Just saying.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646407)

You know, I actually *am* a trained survivalist.

So just curious, did any of your classmates fail^H^H^H^Hdie?

For me, back woods living (which is what I imagine granola eaters mean when they say "survivalist") means only 3 things: the ability to make shelter/fire by hand, the ability to hunt/trap animals, the ability to produce/collect potable water.

I wasn't trained in surviving off the land, I was taught it by my elders. Specifically my father, uncle, and grandfathers. I honestly don't think it is something you can train anyone to do (particularly because if you fail your "training" you are at serious risk of doing permanent damage to your body, or failing hard enough you just die).

Since death is synonymous with failing to survive, every extant human being is necessarily a "survivalist". /pedant

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646425)

Trained, in that I received instruction from elders, yes.

I am not a granolabar packer. Far too much sugar, too dehydrating. :D

Rather, I know what wild plants are edible, how to tie, use, and check snares. How to track game, and their habitats and behaviors.

More notably, I know how to sustainably harvest wild foodstuffs, and proactively encourage later regrowth.

The order of necessity is shelter, water, then food.

I used to actively enjoy "disappearing" for weeks and months on end as a child. Increased property rights restrictions and officiousness from the BLM has severely dampened my ability to do that in my later life.

This does not discount my being able to do so outside of artificial constraints, however.

But thanks for asking.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#40646571)

Military trained, I have study survival events. Wrote a couple iof manuals, and trained pilot how to survive in enemy territory
Clue: You wouldn't last, you are completely under prepared.
A) Thousands of people will show up. DO you know how to navigate that and not get burned out of your home? Do you think waving a gun around will stopped a scared panicking crowd?
B) Fires will emerge. Are you prepared to deal with the suddenly increase in hazardous particulate matter they will be in the air?
C) Sickness? What will happen when the flu moves through a much lower vaccinated population?
D) How is your water supply? is anything up stream?

I could go on, and on if you chose a location and time of the year.
"I used to actively enjoy "disappearing" for weeks and months on end as a child."
irrelevant. Also, you're parents are idiots.

You will not be alone in the woods.

Pretty much every 'survivalist' over looks the key to long term survival.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646659)

A) Dugouts dont burn, They are not directly visible from the surface either. My area does not flood. I know my area very well, and I live far from a population center. There is nothing here that people in a population center that are displaced would want. There is no reason for them to come here.

B) Particulate fallout in the air from fires can be combated reasonably effectively with a wetted cloth tied around the nose and mouth. I know how to create cloth. There are wild plants from which cloth was routinely made by native peoples. I know how to make this cloth, from these plants.

C) Influenza is only treated with NSAIDS, since no other form of medicine is really effective. (Specifically, over the counter flu remedies contain a cough suppressant and acetamenophen, an NSAID.) A very common NSAID that I am able to use, since I dont have ulcers or Reye's disease, is salicylic acid. It is commonly found in the bark of the common willow tree. Pandemic influenza migrating through wild vectors, such as birds, passing through devistated population centers and spreading the pathogen my way can be combated by oral administration of this compound. Its deleterious effects on stomach lining can be mitigated by combination of the compound with anhydrous acetic acid (vinegar, itself a biproduct of alcohol production which is also required as a carrier for refinement of the salicylic acid), and calcium carbonate, which is in ready abundance. A pensylvania limestone deposit runs approximately 6 feet below the topsoil.

D) water that is free of giardia parasites and amoebas can be freely obtained by simple cutting of a thick sucker on a common vulpis species grape vine. Several liters can be collected this way per vine, per day. They grow wild. I know where they grow.

Which leads me to:

E) dont presume you know anything about me, or my abilities. You dont.

 

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#40646697)

also note:

Not a wooded area. The area I am referring to is at best wild grassland with interspersed marginal areas with small surface depressions that seasonally collect water that is not potable.

It is far from hospitable, and most people would die in days from exposure as there is no shade.

I can live here for months at a time, including the winter.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#40646201)

Just think of it as the big CTL-ALT-DELETE from the sky. It's not quite so anti social that way.

Re:Is it so wrong? (2)

petsounds (593538) | about 2 years ago | (#40646441)

More aptly, the Big Red Button on the TRS-80 Model III computer. When I was in 4th grade, they had those in the school computer lab. The teachers had taped paper with "do not press!" on top of the button. Of course, a 4th grader wants nothing more than to press it. Our tendency towards chaos, or at least the curiosity to see what arises from a change in the system, starts young.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

meglon (1001833) | about 2 years ago | (#40646579)

That happens when you're still young, but.... when you're 2 clicks underground in an ancient alien stronghold, screwing around with what you believe to be a computer system while some large lumbering thing is pounding it's way through a 5 inch thick durasteel composite door to get to you, and there's a single red button out of all of them, encased under some form of very strong glass like substance, with big bold alien letters on it.... do NOT push it.

It's just a bad thing.

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646217)

No.. we should have gotten rid of you, when you failed the first sampling.. :-) don't know where you got it from, you were retaining human tendencies after our first dry run.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

Beeftopia (1846720) | about 2 years ago | (#40646283)

Is it wrong of me to be disheartened that this CME isn't stronger?

I won't lie, a fairly large part of me (the part where the evil genius lives) wants a very very powerful geomagnetic storm to devistate our powergrids, knock out communications, fry satelites, and cause general chaos and havok.

Is it so wrong?

"Some men just want to watch the world burn." - Alfred Pennyworth

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

lymond01 (314120) | about 2 years ago | (#40646297)

1) XKCD: Disaster Voyeurism [xkcd.com]

2) For the greater portion of humanity to survive we are dependent upon the machines and electronics that control our energy systems. Can you imagine 7 billion people forced to hunt for their food after the refrigerator warm up? Like the comic above, it wouldn't take long before we'd be hunting ourselves.

Re:Is it so wrong? (1)

Sabriel (134364) | about 2 years ago | (#40646457)

Something that bakes many a noodle is that a desire can be both wrong to indulge and normal* to have.

It's also far better than having those antisocial/destructive tendencies without the cognitive ability to properly identify and contain them.

*normal: as in, welcome to homo sapiens.

You know how various professions have trouble watching shows about said profession because of how badly the writers get it wrong? I wonder if engineers (and those of an engineering bent) have those "antisocial tendencies" precisely because they find the (human) world so badly written. ;)

Re:Is it so wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646763)

yeah I`m kind of curious about exactly how it would go down, you know? It`s too bad we can`t do a savestate of the earth, and then say... create an EMP, and after having witnessed the carnage first hand just press F7 and undo it all.

did they say it ALL was going to hit us? (1)

v1 (525388) | about 2 years ago | (#40645929)

The effects of a solar flair like that happen across a wide degree of speeds. We get hit by light and I assume other things like xrays etc first, but other things will travel slower. The mass ejection is the slowest part isn't it? So seeing as the earth moves, I don't see how we can possibly get hit by all of the components of the flair.

They make it sound like we got "bullseyed" for this incoming storm, when really the sun had to have "lead the target" by quite a distance right? Or are these events so wide that they will cover earth's position for several days or weeks?

Re:did they say it ALL was going to hit us? (1)

ldobehardcore (1738858) | about 2 years ago | (#40646173)

The X-Rays hit us the same time the light did. BECAUSE X-RAYS ARE LIGHT MORON!

Re:did they say it ALL was going to hit us? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646261)

No, they are not, moron, they are THE ELECTRO-MAGNETIC RADIATION and they can KILL YOU. LIKE THE A-BOMB!

HOPE YOU FUCKERS WATCHED NIGHT OF THE COMET (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40645945)

If not, you may want to...before it's too late.

Tin Foil Hat ON (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646047)

Now down in the bunker, 30 m down, in central Alaska. Checking server racks and power conditioners. Lines appear good; usual spikes from GVEA, not to worry, the mindless bastards are better off without a mind.

In the early hours of 07/14 GMT could see big spikes/drops, nasty bastards, fries parts of the electronics, I have spare parts to keep the 'rigs' going, for DoD. Work, work and more work. It never stops, until I do ... I think. Never mind that. I'm happy that I will never have to worry about Obamacare taxation, nasty business that. :)

Strong geomagnetic storms? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646057)

While the news before the fact is great for those of us living some place with a chance of catching the aurora, I don't think there is any indication there will be strong geomagnetic storms. NOAA Space Weather Center [noaa.gov] is predicting only storm level of G1 with a chance of G2, which happens quite frequently. Usually if something big is coming, their alert timeline [noaa.gov] lights up with a lot more than a G1 or warning of A > 20. I've made a habit of taking the 10 seconds to check their alert page every time a relative links or talks about a story of some massive geomagnetic storm coming, and pretty much every time it shows (both before and after) that it was something minor that happens with a frequency of more than once a month.

Re:Strong geomagnetic storms? (1)

guttentag (313541) | about 2 years ago | (#40646513)

I assume it's just a cosmic coincidence that NOAA's Space Weather Alerts and Warnings Timeline chart [noaa.gov] looks like a cross between Space Invaders [wikipedia.org] and Missile Command [wikipedia.org]? Big yellow bars of light barely missing pixelated aliens as they descend from the sky?

Mexico signs ACTA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646181)

...and a huge flare will smitten the Earth! It's a sign from the Gods! Repent sinners, and denounce ACTA/CETA/TPP/IPRED/IP Attache Act before it's too late!

This is just practice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40646253)

for a Carrington event (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859), which would shatter most first-world societies. Burnout of really large electrical components like major transformers on power grids could leave developed continents without electrical power for up to a year. Good luck pumping water, natural gas, etc to us consumers of same.

Sat 14, Jul, 14:42: (1)

bejiitas_wrath (825021) | about 2 years ago | (#40646329)

And we are still here. Looks like the Earth`s magnetic field has protected us again. Thank god for a spinning Iron core. it would suck to be living on Mars right now.

Re:Sat 14, Jul, 14:42: (1)

Jeremi (14640) | about 2 years ago | (#40646397)

And we are still here. Looks like the Earth`s magnetic field has protected us again. Thank god for a spinning Iron core. it would suck to be living on Mars right now.

Anthropic Principle saves humanity yet again! Someone really should write a comic book about that guy, he's the best superhero ever.

Re:Sat 14, Jul, 14:42: (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#40646427)

And we are still here. Looks like the Earth`s magnetic field has protected us again. Thank god for a spinning Iron core. it would suck to be living on Mars right now.

On the bright side, you'd probably already be long dead due to the cold or the atmosphere.

Not considered a threat to the US power grid (4, Informative)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#40646573)

Just checked the PJM [pjm.com] dashboard, which shows what's going on for the power grid in the northeastern US. They haven't put up a Solar Magnetic Disturbance Warning for this event.

NOAA predicts a maximum A index of 25 and a maximum K index of 3 at low latitudes, 6 at high latitudes (Canada, roughly). [noaa.gov] PJM says they issue an alert when there's an A index of 40 or above or a K index of 5 or above. K=6 and 7 level events aren't serious problems; trouble occurs around 8 and 9.

The last event that caused a blackout was in 1989. Since then, more monitoring gear has been added and plans made for when this problem occurs. The basic effect is that the solar wind induces DC currents in the earth, causing a huge ground loop between distant grounding points. This causes DC current to flow through AC high tension lines, which heats up transformers and causes some confusion in measurements. Those DC currents are constantly monitored. When DC flows are observed, the AC currents on the line have to be reduced to prevent transformer overheating. It's an operational problem, but not a disaster.

(If you're really interested in this topic, here's the PJM training presentation that covers solar and magnetic disturbances. [pjm.com] This is the perspective from the people who operate the power grid. "When solar magnetic disturbance is confirmed, Salem 1 and 2 units will reduce to 80% power and Hope Creek to 85% power...")

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