Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

A Build-It-Yourself Electric Vehicle

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the don't-screw-it-up dept.

Hardware Hacking 84

Taco Cowboy writes "Here's yet another exciting project for DIY geeks. Modi-Corp, a Japanese company, has just unveiled a new electric car that you can actually build yourself. Not to be confused with the Toyota 'Prius,' the DIY electric car from Modi-Corp is called 'PIUS.' It's a single-seat electric car that will be released next spring in Japan. The company hopes that the PIUS kits can be used as educational tools, expecting to sell them to universities and mechanical schools with the opportunity to have customizable parts embedded in the EV for testing."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Pius? (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653069)

Seriously? They didn't think to run that past a single english speaker? Or South Park fan?

Re:Pius? (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653079)

Oh it's a toy! Never mind.

Re:Pius? (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653259)

Ya. {sigh} I was really expecting more from the story. I forgot, Slashdot is running more Slashvertisments than news lately...

I've never driven a go-kart with a skin like that though. Then again, I'm an adult, and I probably wouldn't fit in it. Too bad their whole spec sheet is an image. I'd like to run it through a translator to see how pathetic the rest is.

Any volunteers who read Japanese who can translate it?

Re:Pius? (0, Flamebait)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653341)

I've never driven a go-kart with a skin like that though. Then again, I'm an adult, and I probably wouldn't fit in it. Too bad their whole spec sheet is an image. I'd like to run it through a translator to see how pathetic the rest is.

Any volunteers who read Japanese who can translate it?

Yes, of course.

Basically, it says; "If Solyndra can get $500M for smoke & mirrors, we'll all be able to retire to Tahiti with more money than Bill Gates after Obama's DoE/EPA makes this the only vehicle legally allowed to be sold in the US!"

I'm sorry to say, however, that the 24-hr cable news daytime staple filler of car chases will become very boring. Especially when a 6-yo on his Big Wheel performs the PIT maneuver to stop the fleeing criminals.



Re:Pius? (0)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653611)

I've never driven a go-kart with a skin like that though. Then again, I'm an adult, and I probably wouldn't fit in it. Too bad their whole spec sheet is an image. I'd like to run it through a translator to see how pathetic the rest is.

Any volunteers who read Japanese who can translate it?

Yes, of course.

Basically, it says; "If Solyndra can get $500M for smoke & mirrors, we'll all be able to retire to Tahiti with more money than Bill Gates after Obama's DoE/EPA makes this the only vehicle legally allowed to be sold in the US!"

I'm sorry to say, however, that the 24-hr cable news daytime staple filler of car chases will become very boring. Especially when a 6-yo on his Big Wheel performs the PIT maneuver to stop the fleeing criminals.



Modded "Flamebait"?

I'm shocked!

I didn't know there was that much hatred and animosity towards Big Wheels on Slashdot! Are Big Wheels a "tool of the 1% to disenfranchise the 99%" or something?


Re:Pius? (2)

tragedy (27079) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653829)

I'm pretty shocked that you're shocked you were modded flamebait. You certainly couldn't have expected an Informative mod. Offtopic might have been a fit. Maybe you could have gotten a Funny, but it just wasn't that funny.

Re:Pius? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654203)

I find the Left absolutely hilarious!!

They don't even realize that by modding BlueStrat down, they're playing right into the joke. Like you said, it's not like he doesn't realize the reaction his post will illicit from the humorless Left (at least, humorless when the joke is both based in fact, *and* is on them). Particularly seeing his "toungue-in-cheek" second post.

He's probably laughing his ass off.


Well-played, I'd say.

Re:Pius? (1)

tragedy (27079) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656579)

I would find partisan wing-nuts absolutely hilarious if I didn't find them so tragic. All the energy wasted on pointless sniping at strawman mis-characterizations of each other.

Re:Pius? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 2 years ago | (#40655513)

makes this the only vehicle legally allowed to be sold in the US!

Just because the vehicle will never be sold in the USA doesn't mean it's not interesting. Billions of people live elsewhere in the world and drive vehicles unavailable in the good ol' USA. Many of them also pay a lot more for energy than Americans do, relative to their incomes, so alternate vehicles are of interest.

Re:Pius? (-1, Offtopic)

AssOfDeliciosoness (2682321) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653357)

Don't read this... it is a curse...

In 1978, a little boy named Thomas was walking through his hallway. Being the observant young lad that he was, he immediately spotted a box of graham crackers on the other side of the hallway right between the entrance to his parents' bedroom on the left and the entrance to the kitchen on the right. Suddenly, he had an epiphany; anyone who walks past that box of graham crackers must let a large black man insert his penis into their anus.

Then, as if doing so in the heat of the moment, Thomas dashed past the box of graham crackers. However, he was immediately apprehended and subjugated by the large black man whose existence was unknown to him a few minutes ago. The black man hastily ripped off Thomas' pants and underwear, forced him to get on all fours, and then stared blankly at Thomas' ass. After a few moments, the black man screamed, as if both surprised and angry, "There is no hole!"

Seizing the opportunity, Thomas escaped into the closet in his parents' bedroom. After a cursory glance, he noted the position of a cabbage patch kid sitting right next to him. His hope that he would be safe was obliterated when the black man came clumsily stumbling into the closet, bumping into the cabbage patch kid. The cabbage patch kid, enraged by their foolishness, got sucked into the black man's ass. While the black man's ass was getting tickled, Thomas sprinted out the front door of his house, and ran towards the road. There, he spotted a car waiting on the side of the road, and in the driver's seat was a friend whose name he couldn't remember signaling him to get in. Being that he was desperately trying to escape, he took up the enigmatic person's offer.

While Thomas explained the strange events that took place prior to him getting in the car, the car drove down the road at such high speeds that it looked like a blur to any passerby. Immediately after finishing his explanation, Thomas began to celebrate the fact that he escaped from that dangerous situation. His ebullient attitude was interrupted when the mysterious driver said, "Now, now, now's the time right now!"

Clueless as to what the person meant, Thomas stared at him blankly. The car then slowed down to less than 1 mile per hour, and the strange man said, in a voice that was dripping with malice and anticipation, "What slowness can I offer you? I'm copyright owner Madow!" Following this, he turned into an old man with messy hair that was wearing a butler's outfit. As if amused by Thomas' reaction, the old man stared and smiled at him. That's when Thomas sensed both that the car was no longer safe and that the cabbage patch kid from before was catching up to them. He knew that he could run far more quickly than the car was currently moving, so he got out of the car and began to run.

However, before he could get more than a few meters away from the car, an unseen entity lifted Thomas into the sky and flung him ass-first around the world. Thomas, not knowing what was happening any longer, screamed as he flew uncontrollably around the world at the speed of light. Eventually, he felt his ass crash into something, and even though he had not seen what it was, he somehow knew that it was the same cabbage patch kid as before. Thomas promptly felt something get sucked into his ass as if his ass was nothing more than a gigantic spaghetti noodle (just like grandma).

Soon afterwards, Thomas realized two things: that he could no longer escape and that his ass was becoming something entirely different from what it was before. Thomas could not fathom the change that his ass was going through, but he knew, deep in his heart, that it was transforming into something that he would never approve of. Seconds later, he came to the sudden realization that his ass was becoming something known as a "rumblehouse ass." In addition to this, he knew that it would be used as a bouncehouse by the cabbage patch kid.

The cabbage patch kid began to bounce off the sides of Thomas' ass. It bounced to the left; it bounced to the right; it bounced all around! Each time it hit a section of Thomas' ass, it inflicted tremendous, unimaginable amounts of tickle upon his ass. Unable to stand that which no being in existence could possibly endure, Thomas went mad. Despite this, the cabbage patch kid showed only feelings of amusement, and laughed at Thomas' pain...

Now that you have read even a single word of this, the very same cabbage patch kid will use your precious bootysnap as a bouncehouse in order to inflict extreme amounts of tickle upon your ass. To prevent this from occurring, copy this entire story and post it as a comment three times.

Re:Pius? (2)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656053)

I'm all for bashing Slashvertisment, but it's hard to call this that when it's a) Japan only, b) not yet released or priced, and c) of little commercial interest in the rest of the world.

Irrelevant, yes. Slashvertisment, not this time.

Re:Pius? (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656549)

    They've run plenty in the past, where they are planning to release a product. One of the pages is to contact them for more information. That was the only one in text that I could push through Google Translate. So they can't sell quite yet, but they probably want pre-sales and investors.

    Don't forget, there is a Japanese Slashdot [] site. Apparently the search there sucks just as bad as the English version. Google found a reference to the Pius, but not I can't find it through the site. I don't have any grasp of the Japanese language, so it is less likely that I could do a successful search.

Re:Pius? (3, Informative)

vmlemon (1203598) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656923)

I've established from reading the Katakana text that it has a double-wishbone suspension with rigid axles, and disk brakes. It also has a 1500mm wheelbase; a 0.6 kW electric motor; and a 36 Volts, 38 Ah battery. Its tyre size is 3.00-10; the "FR tread" is 1130mm, and the "RR tread" is 920mm. It also seats 1 person, and weighs 200kg.

I couldn't understand much more of the Kanji-heavy text.

Re:Pius? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660497)

Could someone please mod the parent up. This is much more informative than posts in response to some stupid joke.

Re:Pius? (1)

kheldan (1460303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656525)

..electric range of 15 miles and a top speed of 21 mph

Yeah, it's a toy. As it sits there's no real practical use for something that a really fit cyclist could outrun and outdistance.

Yeah, but it works both ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653485)

There's pius coming out of your pius. Don't worry. Penicilin will fix that. Genius.

Hardly Exciting (2)

DoctorTuba (688153) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653573)

This is no more a DIY EV than Lego Mindstorms is autonomous robotics. It's a one size fits all kit and the fit at 15 miles and 21 mph is pretty lousy. It might be a fun toy if priced at under $500, but where's the educational value? I'd guess it uses rudimentary components (simple DC motor, rheostat, lead-acid batteries). You could get the same education building an electric RC car, plane, or boat.

Holy car! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653627)

The Pius. How's that for a pope mobile? Incidentally there are several popes named Pius [] , including two that served during World War 2.

--Anonymous Catholic

Re:Holy car! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653785)

Does it include the one that didn't condemn mass-murder of the Jewish people ? Yeah, a truly Pius god's servant.

Re:Holy car! (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653881)

Ya, that's the association I made with the name too. It makes just about as much sense as the phallic associations others seem to see in the name.

I also considered it in relation to piteous. Like, "I pity the man who gets in an accident in one of those things." A Smart Car may be a rolling economy size coffin. This thing is barely a stretcher to help move the body after the accident.

Re:Holy car! (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654207)

Yeah, I call it the "Toyota Pious" because the people who drive are all be smug holier-than-thou assholes. They seem to be particularly adept at parking to completely block the sidewalk and ignoring one way streets & pedestrian crossings, singly or in combination.

Maybe think that because it's not a proper car the rules don't apply, or that because they "don't pollute" they're allowed to be antisocial in other ways for balance.

No doubt there's some high-falutin' psychological term for all that.

Re:Holy car! (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656495)

    I actually know two Prius owners, and they are respectful drivers. I was dating one for a while, and drove her car a few times, just to say I did. The other one told me "Don't bother, you won't like it. It's like driving a golf cart." His next purchase wasn't a Prius.

    So there are at least 2 exceptions, but I've definitely seen the rest. I'm particularly annoyed when they sit in the fast lanes going under the speed limit, or tailgating to increase their gas mileage by 0.1%. I *know* they will go over 45mph, so either do it, or get out of the way.

Re:Pius? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654959)

Yeah, fallic references abound. Also, Prius owners tend to be rather pious themselves.

So... its a go-cart? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653085)

Cause I built those back when I was 12 using a starter motor from a truck.

Take my money (2)

spokenoise (2140056) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653547)

Does it come in pieces, each fortnight, on a magazine? First issue only $19.99!

I prefer TopGear's home made electric vehicle.... (2)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653151)

The Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust! []

Re:I prefer TopGear's home made electric vehicle.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40655103)

I like it but the designs are idiots. They put the steering wheel on the wrong side! Probably some moron engineer didn't realize the blueprint was upside down.

Real electric car - Mitsubishi i-MiEV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40656553)

Dunno what the purpose of TFA is, since it's describing a joke vehicle or toy. There are already several proper pure electric cars around, so what do we need jokes for?

The Mitsubishi i-MiEV is just one of several real and very usable EVs now available in the UK, really perfect for the vast majority of UK daily travel -- []

It's only the long-distance traveler that still isn't served well by EVs. For everyone else, they're here. See also Volvo, Honda, Nissan, Citroen, and many others.

Re:Real electric car - Mitsubishi i-MiEV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661405)

It's scientific research. The programme itself explains it better [] .
But I agree with you, humour should be banned.

Not news Already featured on Southpark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653225)

Japanese Pius is so small.

Ariel Atom? (3, Insightful)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653239)

Specs are 15 mile range and 21 MPH top speed. So we're not talking about a kit car, but a low end electric go kart. Seriously, the environment would be much better served if you went with an Ariel Atom since you're going to be killing the efficiency of everyone behind you or the inevitable towing when it only goes 13 miles on a charge after 6 months. I assure you, you will be much cooler and have a lot more fun to boot.

Re:Ariel Atom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653275)

I'm sorry that I read TFA before the comments this time. 21mph is joke, not news.

Re:Ariel Atom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653545)

it's an educational tool not a serious commuter vehicle. You either didn't actually read TFA or TFS since both have that fact in there. it fits the niche it was intended to fill. it's a low cost, easy to mod/build/fix, and small educational device. it allows people to test out ideas small scale before ramping up.

Re:Ariel Atom? (4, Interesting)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654155)

I was amazed it's performance is that poor.

I've been designing a home-build EV myself and in some respects it's similar: a 4-wheeled, single-seat space-framed vehicle with a lightweight non-structural aero body wrapping around it. But there the similarity ends. Mine weights 200kg, has a top speed of 130 km/hr, will do 0-100km/hr in 4 seconds, runs at its top speed for 1 hour which gives it a range of 130km at worst, much more if driven sensibly and legally. I only need 15kW motor power and 15kW/hr of LiFePo batteries. Then again it's primarily intended as a fun track car, not a commuter.

I just don't think they're trying very hard. And it's ugly too - they need a western stylist to fix that.

Re:Ariel Atom? (1)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654421)

The similarity ends right *after* the weight. This kit car also weighs 200kg. The engine is 600W and battery is a 1kWh affair (nominal - 36V, 38Ah).

The problem seems to be that everyone is using car technology to build electric vehicles - when you should in fact think of it as a 4-wheeled e-bike with minimum weight. I see no reason why, given the performance, such a kit car should weigh any more than 40-60kg (minus the batteries and driving).

Re:Ariel Atom? (1)

tp1024 (2409684) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654423)

Driver, not driving ...

Re:Ariel Atom? (2)

dr2chase (653338) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656575)

It's car-think, period. A 600 watt motor is an absurd amount of power. A streamlined tricycle (Sinner Mango, something like that) happily cruises at 25mph under human power. Me-on-a-cargo-bicycle exceeds both top speed and range of this joke

Re:Ariel Atom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40658009)

Why not just simply get an eBike?

Something like this would offer much better bang for buck. [] About twice as fast and double the range, and most people wouldn't think twice about seeing a bicycle ride along them in normal traffic. (As where the go-cart might not comply with ordinances or DOT law depending on your location.) Not to mention that if the battery runs out on the eBike, you just stop being lazy and pedal.

You don't even have to buy one pre-made from some company like in the video. It's all possible to roll your own for less cash with motor hubs, lithium ion batteries, and motor controllers purchased online and bolted onto some stock off-the-shelf mountain bike frame.

The only fun I could see in the go-kart would be in modding it. It's too tame and slow. Sure build it to factory spec first for a baseline, but the rest would be in seeing how far you could push it.

Re:Ariel Atom? (1)

badkarmadayaccount (1346167) | more than 2 years ago | (#40684245)

Cost? I'd buy one from you if I had the cash.

Re:Ariel Atom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40655491)

I'll take this golf cart [] instead. Top speed - 150mph.

A problem with electric cars (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653277)

Ever try to fix electrical problems on a car? Nasty, way tougher to track down than mechanical problems.

I just hope they're equipped with adequate diagnostic systems to mitigate the challenge, but that will push up the cost.

But I suspect electric cars will preclude "home mechanics" more/less entirely.

Re:A problem with electric cars (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653323)

Ever try to fix electrical problems on a car?

Post 1973? Too complicated!

Re:A problem with electric cars (3, Insightful)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653619)

So much THIS.

Mid 60's cars are the best electrical systems to work on. Though, I do tend to prefer to throw on the one wire HEI distributor and single wire internally regulated alternator from later years for even greater ease. Not to mention, inside all three or so wire connectors you have for lights, what do we have, regular, industry standard size spade terminals. Just so easy.

One of the top issues in the used car market isn't that cars aren't lasting mechanically. Many are mechanically good for 15+ years with minimal maintenance. Most issues I am running into are burned out electrical parts and bad wires. This is especially frustrating because the bad wiring issues are due to poor insulation quality, yet stuff 40 years old are still soft, pliable and without cracks. Same issue since the automotive industry jumped on lead-free solder. It's less the complexity and more the construction quality that has made ECU's a huge cash cow in the 5-8 year old car market. And here is another hint: a hall effect or other inductive pickup (Cam / Crank sensors) which is internally solid state by nature, should be UNBREAKABLE. If a solid hunk of plastic with x number of turns of insulated copper magnet wire wound around a soft ferrite core burns out, somebody either designed or built something WRONG.

Re:A problem with electric cars (1)

_merlin (160982) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654221)

They said that about fuel injection, ABS, electronic ignition, etc. It just requires a different set of skills.

Re:A problem with electric cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654773)

Really? Peice of cake! Electrical issues have never slowed my EV down for more than an hour, but the mechanicals often take weeks to take care of.

Re:A problem with electric cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40655369)

Look at home conversions to electric. There are very few wires, and anyone on Slashdot can figure out the electronics/electrical system because it is straight forward and not complex.

Re:A problem with electric cars (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656465)

"Ever try to fix electrical problems on a car? Nasty, way tougher to track down than mechanical problems. "

Sometimes, but OBD for an EV poses no particular challenges. Modern autos don't preclude home mechanics, and I'd rather deal with them than hassle with carbs and points of ancient times.

Modern ICE vehicles are far more complex than a pure EV.

A multimeter, a test light, a code reader, and salvage parts to play "swaptronics" solve most problems.

top speed 21mph? (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653317)

I can ride my bike faster. And I'll be able to smoke it dead when I upgrade to this: []

Re:top speed 21mph? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653835)

Wow, there are so many things wrong with the bike. I hope you did your research, before you paid the guy for his 'book'. The braking would be totally awful with the tires he has. I am surprised he has not crashed yet. The bike would also be totally unstable, if you hit one unexpected bump, expect it to crash.

Re:top speed 21mph? (2)

dr2chase (653338) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656649)

I don't think so. Those are good tires, and the brakes are large. The weight is low-ish and centralized.

How would I know this? I ride a cargo bike, similar tires, similar (smaller) disk brakes, sometimes larger loads, sometimes come down hills at nice speeds (usually limit it to 35mph). Handling is fine; can go no-hands across 3 bumps in succession, or no-hands with a hundred-pound load.

And with tires and shocks like those on an earlier cargo bike, I once hit an unexpected pothole (poor planning on my part) at over 30mph, and the net effect was a loud "bang!" as I bottomed the shocks, and sharp smack in the hands from the impact coming up the handlebars. The bike rode rock-solid straight through it all.

Re:top speed 21mph? (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40668253)

thank you. My experiences are similar.

So this is new? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653321)

An electric go-kart. Whoopee.

I'not an employee of RQ Riley, but they've been selling plans for DIY cars for ages, including options for electric propulsion. Some cool shit, especially the hybrid Diesel DIY car that reputedly gets 225 mpg.

7.5 miles round trip (1)

Nalez (556446) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653337)

"15 mile range and 21 MPH top speed"

Runs for 43 minutes at top speed; AND it can go 300 city blocks; how impressive. I just might need to put that bicycle away.

stupid. Come on hippies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653475)


Makes no sense (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653519)

How can a 4 wheel vehicle with a steering wheel be classed as a motorized bicycle in ANY country? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Re:Makes no sense (1)

DoctorTuba (688153) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653551)

The same way 3 wheeled cars in the UK (like the Morgan) were classified as motorcycles - for tax purposes.

Re:Makes no sense (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653789)

Three wheels makes sense described thus. There are a fair number of outright 3 wheel motorcycles. Four wheels described thus, the wheels positioned exactly like on a car, on a vehicle that looks very much like a car, makes no sense. The only 4 wheel motorcycles I have ever seen have been open air, steered by handlebars, with a ridiculously close spacing of the tires on each end, and could NEVER be mistaken as cars, while this thing is obviously trying very hard to look and operate like a very small car.

P.S. - I know the Reliant Regal 3-wheeler from Mr. Bean. It tipped over ridiculously easily if not handled with proper care. I wouldn't hesitate to classify it as a form of motorcycle. Thanks for mentioning the Morgan 3 wheeler. I did not know about that. Not my cup of tea, but fascinating.

Re:Makes no sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654911)

The only 4 wheel motorcycles I have ever seen have been open air, steered by handlebars, with a ridiculously close spacing of the tires on each end, and could NEVER be mistaken as cars, while this thing is obviously trying very hard to look and operate like a very small car.

You mean quad bikes.

Re:Makes no sense (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653559)

I see we have no experience with laws. "Makes no sense whatsoever" is the typical outcome. All that matters is finding a qualification that allows you to sell your product, somehow. Please excuse yourself from any further discussions on topics like these, and refrain from offering uninformed opinions.

Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653565)

Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care - Government & Stealth Malware

In Response To Slashdot Article: Former Pentagon Analyst: China Has Backdoors To 80% of Telecoms 87

How many rootkits does the US[2] use officially or unofficially?

How much of the free but proprietary software in the US spies on you?

Which software would that be?

Visit any of the top freeware sites in the US, count the number of thousands or millions of downloads of free but proprietary software, much of it works, again on a proprietary Operating System, with files stored or in transit.

How many free but proprietary programs have you downloaded and scanned entire hard drives, flash drives, and other media? Do you realize you are giving these types of proprietary programs complete access to all of your computer's files on the basis of faith alone?

If you are an atheist, the comparison is that you believe in code you cannot see to detect and contain malware on the basis of faith! So you do believe in something invisible to you, don't you?

I'm now going to touch on a subject most anti-malware, commercial or free, developers will DELETE on most of their forums or mailing lists:

APT malware infecting and remaining in BIOS, on PCI and AGP devices, in firmware, your router (many routers are forced to place backdoors in their firmware for their government) your NIC, and many other devices.

Where are the commercial or free anti-malware organizations and individual's products which hash and compare in the cloud and scan for malware for these vectors? If you post on mailing lists or forums of most anti-malware organizations about this threat, one of the following actions will apply: your post will be deleted and/or moved to a hard to find or 'deleted/junk posts' forum section, someone or a team of individuals will mock you in various forms 'tin foil hat', 'conspiracy nut', and my favorite, 'where is the proof of these infections?' One only needs to search Google for these threats and they will open your malware world view to a much larger arena of malware on devices not scanned/supported by the scanners from these freeware sites. This point assumed you're using the proprietary Microsoft Windows OS. Now, let's move on to Linux.

The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux. None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either! Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular websites and the dark/deep web.

Compromised defenders of Linux will look down their nose at you (unless they are into reverse engineering malware/bad binaries, Google for this and Linux and begin a valuable education!) and respond with a similar tone, if they don't call you a noob or point to verifying/downloading packages in a signed repo/original/secure source or checking hashes, they will jump to conspiracy type labels, ignore you, lock and/or shuffle the thread, or otherwise lead you astray from learning how to examine bad binaries. The world of Linux is funny in this way, and I've been a part of it for many years. The majority of Linux users, like the Windows users, will go out of their way to lead you and say anything other than pointing you to information readily available on detailed binary file analysis.

Don't let them get you down, the information is plenty and out there, some from some well known publishers of Linux/Unix books. Search, learn, and share the information on detecting and picking through bad binaries. But this still will not touch the void of the APT malware described above which will survive any wipe of r/w media. I'm convinced, on both *nix and Windows, these pieces of APT malware are government in origin. Maybe not from the US, but most of the 'curious' malware I've come across in poisoned binaries, were written by someone with a good knowledge in English, some, I found, functioned similar to the now well known Flame malware. From my experience, either many forum/mailing list mods and malware developers/defenders are 'on the take', compromised themselves, and/or working for a government entity.

Search enough, and you'll arrive at some lone individuals who cry out their system is compromised and nothing in their attempts can shake it of some 'strange infection'. These posts receive the same behavior as I said above, but often they are lone posts which receive no answer at all, AT ALL! While other posts are quickly and kindly replied to and the 'strange infection' posts are left to age and end up in a lost pile of old threads.

If you're persistent, the usual challenge is to, "prove it or STFU" and if the thread is not attacked or locked/shuffled and you're lucky to reference some actual data, they will usually attack or ridicule you and further drive the discussion away from actual proof of APT infections.

The market is ripe for an ambitious company or individual to begin demanding companies and organizations who release firmware and design hardware to release signed and hashed packages and pour this information into the cloud, so everyone's BIOS is checked, all firmware on routers, NICs, and other devices are checked, and malware identified and knowledge reported and shared openly.

But even this will do nothing to stop backdoored firmware (often on commercial routers and other networked devices of real importance for government use - which again opens the possibility of hackers discovering these backdoors) people continue to use instead of refusing to buy hardware with proprietary firmware/software.

Many people will say, "the only safe computer is the one disconnected from any network, wireless, wired, LAN, internet, intranet" but I have seen and you can search yourself for and read about satellite, RF, temperature, TEMPEST (is it illegal in your part of the world to SHIELD your system against some of these APT attacks, especially TEMPEST? And no, it's not simply a CRT issue), power line and many other attacks which can and do strike computers which have no active network connection, some which have never had any network connection. Some individuals have complained they receive APT attacks throughout their disconnected systems and they are ridiculed and labeled as a nutter. The information exists, some people have gone so far as to scream from the rooftops online about it, but they are nutters who must have some serious problems and this technology with our systems could not be possible.

I believe most modern computer hardware is more powerful than many of us imagine, and a lot of these systems swept from above via satellite and other attacks. Some exploits take advantage of packet radio and some of your proprietary hardware. Some exploits piggyback and unless you really know what you're doing, and even then... you won't notice it.

Back to the Windows users, a lot of them will dismiss any strange activity to, "that's just Windows!" and ignore it or format again and again only to see the same APT infected activity continue. Using older versions of sysinternals, I've observed very bizarre behavior on a few non networked systems, a mysterious chat program running which doesn't exist on the system, all communication methods monitored (bluetooth, your hard/software modems, and more), disk mirroring software running[1], scans running on different but specific file types, command line versions of popular Windows freeware installed on the system rather than the use of the graphical component, and more.

[1] In one anonymous post on pastebin, claiming to be from an intel org, it blasted the group Anonymous, with a bunch of threats and information, including that their systems are all mirrored in some remote location anyway.

[2] Or other government, US used in this case due to the article source and speculation vs. China. This is not to defend China, which is one messed up hell hole on several levels and we all need to push for human rights and freedom for China's people. For other, freer countries, however, the concentration camps exist but you wouldn't notice them, they originate from media, mostly your TV, and you don't even know it. As George Carlin railed about "Our Owners", "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

[3] []

Try this yourself on a wide variety of internet forums and mailing lists, push for malware scanners to scan more than files, but firmware/BIOS. See what happens, I can guarantee it won't be pleasant, especially with APT cases.

So scan away, or blissfully ignore it, but we need more people like RMS[3] in the world. Such individuals tend to be eccentric but their words ring true and clear about electronics and freedom.

I believe we're mostly pwned, whether we would like to admit it or not, blind and pwned, yet fiercely holding to misinformation, often due to lack of self discovery and education, and "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

This is the same thing... (1)

billybob_jcv (967047) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653577)

Re:This is the same thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653597)

"This is the same thing..."

No.... the one in the link has seating for 2!

the TREV (1)

theNAM666 (179776) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653623)

21mph? Not exactly practical.

See [] : []

Trev, the idea

Using tonnes of noisy, complicated machinery to move one or two people comfortably and safely around a city is crazy. The same task can be done using much less energy in a lightweight electric vehicle. Powered by renewable energy, mobility becomes entirely emission free. (more)

Trev, the car

With that idea in mind, some clever folks at the University of South Australia created a lightweight and beautiful car which they called Trev: the Two-seater Renewable Energy Vehicle. (more) ...

It's a joke (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654167)

Given the range and speed I don't see the point. There are companies that will convert your old used cars for 10K to an electric that gets more miles per charge and does freeway speed. With a little research you can build one yourself for less than that including buying the used car. It's a toy not a car.

Re:It's a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40655021)

Well, my train station is about 2 km away... But it's a pain to walk there every time. I wouldn't mind I've of these... And I wouldn't need to pay $3500 for a car license or deal with all that paperwork. ( then again, I'd be happy with a real bike, I suspect).

And trust Me, in Tokyo 21kph is plenty...

Shinra Car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654293)

Did anyone see the picture with the chassis off? Looks like one of those distopian steampunk cars from FFVII.

An electric pickup truck (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654385)

A guy built his own electric pickup truck and documented the process well enough that others could duplicate his work.

The vehicle has a range of better than 40 miles and can travel at highway speeds. If gasoline and other fuels became very expensive, such a vehicle would be attractive. []

I was seriously considering converting a pickup truck. Then I found out about shale gas. If, for some reason, gasoline became very expensive, almost any vehicle could be converted to run on natural gas. We have a lot of that and it probably won't become expensive. In fact, T. Boone Pickens wants America's commercial truck fleet to convert to natural gas. []

Converting a vehicle to run on natural gas is much more practical than converting it to run on electricity. Electric vehicles are, for the time being, pointless.

Re:An electric pickup truck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40655673)

Shale gas has problems, specifically for people who live close by. It might not contaminate the water supply, but there are waste water ponds and other problems with the production of those chemicals.

My electric pickup truck can be powered by my solar panels. And it will get me anywhere in town that I need to go. Not really pointless. :)

I'm disappointed this article wasn't about a company selling just a lightweight frame, interior, and body all ready for you to put in the EV components. That is what we need. I spent 4 months just getting the truck ready to put int the EV components. There is a large geek population who would see this as a bigger computer. When I build a computer, I buy the case, and then go out any put in all the components. Well, I built my last case myself out of polycarb, but you get the point...

I gotta confess ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40656851)

I'm being pretty crass. I'm only worried about having a vehicle I can afford to drive. The environment was the last thing on my mind when I posted. ;-)

I do have a question or two for you. It is my impression that lead-acid batteries are more easily recycled than other battery chemistries. Is that true? It also seems to me that the thing that makes electric vehicles uneconomical is that the batteries need to be replaced every couple of years. What are your thoughts on that?

T. Boone Pickens (1)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40656703)

That man always has his money invested where is mouth is. He puts forward a good pitch but one should expect that given his background... Question is, does he mean what he says (many biz guys are great at BS) or is he simply doing a good sell of his personal kind of green-washing? Given some of his past moves, he might be sincere but he can't help but make money (old habits) on his position and this undermines his creditability. Because he is not a "liberal" or environmentalist he doesn't get attacked like Al Gore for conflicts of interest, despite his being obvious.

A little frosting (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654729)

Build a Pius! Because you are geeeat!

Riley anyone? (1)

khb (266593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40655167) []

Older designs such as his trimagnum go back years

They should strive to do something new or better or just license his

Check your local laws before ordering... (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40655449)

NY resident here. I have to think it is not legal to drive this thing anywhere but on private property. I don't think NY even allows electric bicycles (perhaps there is an exception for New York City). Could someone in the know clarify? Pretty sure any four-wheeled thing is NOT considered a bicycle. Three wheels and you can claim motorcycle status, but not four. Also 21mph is not fast enough. This is a toy. The main function of vehicles like this is to make the mainstream manufacturers look bad. Any two guys in a barn can whip up an electric car, but Ford can't. Those big evil companies are so lame!!

Re:Check your local laws before ordering... (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 2 years ago | (#40655917)

Says something about NY where your first thought is "Am I allowed to do that?"

These guys would know the laws, they're based in NY. []

Re:Check your local laws before ordering... (1)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 2 years ago | (#40657247)

My memory is that there is a federal law defining as a bicycle anything that pedalling will propel, and no more than three wheels, no more than 3/4 hp, electric assist, and motor only tops out at 25 mph.

not even hobby level... (1)

just another AC (2679463) | more than 2 years ago | (#40657063)

I expected more slashdot.
This is as bad as Apple claiming to have invented rounded corners (sorry couldn't resist that cheap shot)

Seriously a hobbyist/ university is much more likely to experiment with the EXISTING superior alternatives.

Many electric options exist for kit cars.
Many dozens more exist for retrofitting existing cars with electric motors (the most popular being the VW Beetle from what I have seen)

And the upside of working with these solutions is that they are FAR more likely to be passed as road registerable (because they use an existing tested base vehicle) than something that has not been run through any of the international safety tests.

Almost any RWD car can easily be made hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40657607)

I have a 2003 Nissan Pathfinder 4x4 that I turned into a hybrid vehicle. I had two custom driveshafs made that connect to a custom 20HP electric motor mounted between the output of the transfer case and the rear differential. The electric motor runs off of a 165V LiFePo battery pack I built and charges from the vehicle charging system when the manifold pressure is above a set manifold pressure. Below that pressure the motor turns on and applies a variable torque to the drive shaft directly.

I can adjust the trigger manifold pressure and motor torque on the fly depending on what I need.

I've gotten 25MPG in town and 22MPG on the highway (the EPA ratings are 15 in town and 18 on the highway). The only thing I sacrifice is a little bit of ground clearance, and storage in the luggage area for the battery, which is about a 1-foot cube and has a capacity of 10.8 AH at 165V. I also had to install a 300-Amp alternator to charge the pack quickly (although I can vary the charging rate as well and save on I2R losses when I don't need to charge quickly)

The whole system adds about 200lbs to the car, and cost less than $3000 to build and install.

So basically it's a go-cart you can build yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40657883)

[rom TFA] Not all of the official specs have been released, but the Pius does have an electric range of 15 miles and a top speed of 21 mph.

So basically it's an electric go-cart you can build yourself. Just like every other electric go-cart. Yawn. The only part that might be worth anything, considering that if you're building something yourself it is cheating to use a kit, is the body, since it looks at least vaguely aerodynamic. But it's not building it yourself, it's assembling something yourself, that comes in a box marked, "some assembly required".

Kind of like if you have two guys in their respective living-rooms, each saying he built his own entertainment center, and one of them was is made of wood that was sawn, surfaced, planed, and sanded, then fit, inlaid, shaped/routed, glued and screwed, then finally finished by the guy himself, the other was bought at Walmart and put together while watching TV for 30 minutes.

Does this "story" qualify as a slashvertisement?

Where's the roof? (1)

Waccoon (1186667) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660179)

Seriously, what's the point of making a car if it doesn't have some kind of canopy to protect from the weather (even a convertable), and its crash-worthiness is that of a go-kart? Might as well make a trike out of it.

It's a PowerWheels... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40664379)

...for adults! Finally!!! Seriously though, WTF /.

We don't need no kits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40665113)

I built an electric recumbent bike with the same range. What's the big deal?

Noddy would love it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40670205)

It fails on both aesthetic and practical grounds. A bicycle with an electric assist would be better. Or better still, just a bicycle.

Shriners. (1)

Polo (30659) | more than 2 years ago | (#40680651)

Shriners. that is all.

Check for New Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?