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EA Outs Battlefield 4, Plans To Charge $70 For New Games

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the first-person-inflaters dept.

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Justus writes "Posts at NeoGAF and IGN show that a quickly-removed Origin advertisement for Medal of Honor: Warfighter reveals plans for Battlefield 4 and a new-game cost of $70. With Battlefield 3 DLC promised through 2013 and PC games cheaper than ever with things like the Steam Summer Sale, are gamers ready to buy Battlefield 4 at next-gen pricing?"

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uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Edotopm (2684549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653927)

Both ubi and activision also charge $70 when they know that the game will sell. EU has been the only one that hasn't done this. But now that they will with Battlefield 4, I doubt anyone is going to not buy the game because of that. They want it, they will buy it.

Both uBI and aCTIVIOSION are much worse than EU now, anyway.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (4, Interesting)

promythyus (1519707) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654195)

>ubi
>activision
>worse than EA

Yeah nah. EA are scum, always have been. Activision just rehash their crap and charge $15 for map packs without shame but they know that they provide a service and at least respect their paying customers. EA are the worst kind of hypocrites, flooding the market with crappy sports titles and generic cod-clones and then claim to be "a driving force of innovation". They say they will never do sales like steam sales, because it devalues games. Have you seen Origin lately? Sale Sale Sale Sale. Not only that, you try getting support on your title. I'm sure if you've kept up with gaming news you know all about EA's retarded banning policy, and how they handled people criticising Bioware. EA spit in the face of their customers.

Ubi just have crappy drm and price gouging. They aren't actively malicious like EA.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (5, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654211)

I don't really want to pay more for a product, no one does, but I'd be one of those people who'd pay more for BF4. Why?

Because I've had more hours out of it than just about any game I paid $60 for by quite a margin. The cost relative to the amount of entertainment I'd get out of it would still be better than most $60 titles - to me, $70 for 120hrs of entertainment is still far better than than the average $60 for maybe 10 - 20hrs of entertainment I get out of most games.

In contrast I don't pay $70 for CoD anymore, because it just got ever shitter since World at War culminating in the abysmal fuckup of a game that was Black Ops. If it started to get better again I might, but the franchise has just dropped to the level of a A shooter rather than an AAA shooter, and I can pick up any number of A rated shooters released over the years for fuck all - they're 10 a penny.

I don't have a problem paying a bit more for something that's actually worth it, what I wont pay more for is shit.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (-1, Troll)

Edotopm (2684549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654249)

You don't even use dollars, you live in the UK and use pounds. On top of that everyone knows that you just pirate games. You lying UK cunt.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654665)

Perhaps you should go and sit in a darkened room and calm down a bit. There is no need for this sort of abuse.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654451)

personally i think i'll wait a couple of months for the price to lower, if everyone did this they wouldn't be able to rip ppl off the way they do, especially now we only get half a game & have to purchase the rest through micro payments.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654497)

I dunno, it's true that the amount of game time I get out of BF is a lot more than other equally expensive games, EA does have a way of sort of forcing you do buy these DLCs/Premium upgrades if you want to keep playing on servers that aren't dead (or deal with lower priority in queues for the ones that aren't), it al leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I think I'll have to actually think about buying it. Then agai,n I actually have an Indian origin account, and basically buy everything 50% off, so meh :D

Games are already too expensive (5, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654545)

I don't really want to pay more for a product, no one does, but I'd be one of those people who'd pay more for BF4. Why?

I wont be. Why?

Because Battlefield 3 was shit. Because they made the unlocables too lopsided, because after they charge you the US$70 which translates into no less then A$150 they still want $20 odd a month for premium which like unlockables, will be so lopsided as to make the game unplayable if you don't pony up the monthly danegeld, sorry, subscription fee.

BF 1942 and BF2 were works of art, BF Bad Company 2 was good, BF3 was just a huge steaming pile of unbalanced crap that I stopped playing after 3 days.

In contrast I don't pay $70 for CoD anymore

I haven't paid for COD since COD United Offensive back when CoD was a decent game.

I don't have a problem paying a bit more for something that's actually worth it, what I wont pay more for is shit.

I do have a problem with paying more, games are overpriced as they are but there's always some numpty that doesn't think when handing over money for the latest call of halo or whatever. To be frank, it's what is killing the games industry by rewarding publishers who release mediocre sequels with a large percentage of the budget dedicated to marketing.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654645)

I, for one, probably won't be. Battlefield is getting worse.

-BF3 has, in general, meh maps. Flags are clustered in the center rather than spread out. Map design compromises for multiple game types make them mediocre for Conquest AND Rush. So, there might be lots of space, but no reason to be there.

-Login/usage issues with Origin and Battlelog.

-Taclights I could light my whole house with.The blinding factor would be tolerable, if it only did that in dark environments. But even in bright daylight, its just as blinding.

-Being able to fire through cover as long as your hairline is above it. Meaning the shooter is visually all but unexposed, usually including the muzzle flash.

-No squad voice comm. You must do this either by Battlelog party or third party software. I do so love stopping to type to my random pub squadmates.

-Oh, and the love from EA/DICE: if you were one of the pre-order crew, thanks for supporting us! We'll show you consideration by making you pay for Back to Karkand like everybody else when you buy Premium. If you -bought- Back to Karkand.. bahahahahhahaha, we love you even more.

On less egregious notes:
-"decline revive" does not solve the issue of derpfibrilation. Fixing that would require something more like a short (~2 second?) timer during which you can accept a revive. If you accept, then you revive. Cannot extend revivability past your normal respawn timer. If you do not accept, you respawn as normal and no points are awarded to the medic.

-Jumping should not be a part of faster infantry movement.

-Vaulting still not great. Windows that you can vault.. on to. And then you have to crouch walk to get through. Really, DICE? Other objects that look like you should be able to vault, but it just jumps and won't let you over. Awesome.

-Randomly get "caught" on nothing, making you let go of the movement key and hit it again to move.

-Wonky hit detection declaring headshots that don't look like they hit the head. Other shots not being declared headshots, despite the blood spray from.. the head.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Edotopm (2684549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654757)

Thank you, captain anonymous. This is one of the best posts written in the history of slashdot. And now lets commence function "long post + someone agrees" upvoting and soon it's +5 insightful.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654741)

problem with that is, I assume your time is spent online multiplayer, right? How many cannon fodder kids parents do you think that price point is going to turn off, or how many casual fps?

You cry about how CoD is not worth that price and you're right it isn't. But BF3 wasn't worth 50 dollars or having to have a new steam service to me (i know big loss right, did you notice me not playing?), and I'd argue your AAA shooter status of bf3 since the beta sucked pretty hard gameplay wise. It was almost like CoD, if you slowed it down for mental deficients and added lame ass vehicles for multiplayer.

Point is there is a critical mass somewhere for online multiplayer, where once a game dips below it the community starts hemorrhaging people and it's happened to cheaper better games then your beloved battlefield. Setting a higher price point just speeds that up by shrinking the community.

Re:uBI and aCTIVision do it too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654731)

EU has been the only one that hasn't done this.

Because in EU you usually pay €60 anyway.

Outs? (5, Funny)

Antarius (542615) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653937)

"Outs" Battlefield 4? What, are they going to be in rainbow camouflage or something?

Re:Outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653959)

Rainbow Dash pony mod?

Re:Outs? (1)

chebucto (992517) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654375)

"Outs" Battlefield 4? What, are they going to be in rainbow camouflage or something?

Nah, it's just set in 1000 BC, and you play the Athenians against the Persians.

Like Plato said,

And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world.

Re:Outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654601)

"Outs" Battlefield 4? What, are they going to be in rainbow camouflage or something?

Nah, it's just set in 1000 BC, and you play the Athenians against the Persians.

Like Plato said,

And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world.

I thought that was the way the Spartans' army worked. At least that's what my 9th-grade Latin teacher taught...

Re:Outs? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654763)

I hate to break this to you, but your 9th grade Latin teacher was trying to groom you.

No, no no (3, Informative)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653939)

Loved the series before it so I preordered. I finally get the game and find it has created the most elitist and troll infested cesspool of a game I've ever encountered. Between the stat padders on Operation Metro and the server admins kicking me for outscoring them, I got fed up. I think the final straw was when forum 'discussions' degenerated into the person with the highest KD ratio automatically being right about everything. The community killed that game.

Re:No, no no (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653949)

I'm referring to BF3, of course. BF4 will probably be worse. I have dealt with a lot of trolls being an active EVE player, but BF3 was too much.

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653983)

Do you play it on the XBox? I play on my PC and I haven't encountered any of that.

The only time I was kicked from a game was in Metro. we were at a standoff so I drove an EOD bot behind the enemy line and started welding people to death... I was kicked because motors were not allowed...

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654301)

For those who play EVE and read the forums, masternerdguy is one of the more well known EVE trolls. He has a well known habit of doing drive-by trolling with obvious troll threads.

oh, and posting in a masternerdguy thread.

Re:No, no no (1)

Edotopm (2684549) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653969)

Loved the series before it so I preordered. I finally get the game and find it has created the most elitist and troll infested cesspool of a game I've ever encountered. Between the stat padders on Operation Metro and the server admins kicking me for outscoring them, I got fed up. I think the final straw was when forum 'discussions' degenerated into the person with the highest KD ratio automatically being right about everything. The community killed that game.

You're talking about Battlefield 3 - this is news about the upcoming BF4.

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654015)

The people (this includes you) Who play these games are worthless pale skinned (even if you are black) douchebags anyway. If you are retarded enough to pay more than $10 for any game in this world then you have proven your idiocy and deserve nothing less than death or at least being ass raped.

Re:No, no no (2, Insightful)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654005)

I play on PC and on PS3, ~300 hrs between them... and I haven't seen any of what you experienced. Sounds to me like you are just a whiner.

Re:No, no no (1)

Mick R (932337) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654127)

I've seen plenty of that kind of behaviour (PS3, easy 300hrs) Some of the glitches I've seen could be called "hacks" except I don't know how anyone could hack a PS3 games (at least not easily) and the behaviour of a large number of players and admins leaves the term "childish" for dead! EA's own antics with the various revisions and changes isn't much better, either. What ever happened to playing games to have some fun?

Re:No, no no (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654391)

I suspect it's console problem then. I'm also a PC player and no such problem.

Re:No, no no (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654515)

You're full of shit or extremely luckly. The 360 has the biggest asshole gamers but the PS3 certainly isn't free of douche bags.

Re:No, no no (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654081)

Forget the community: the biggest problem I have with companies like EA is that they support draconian nonsense like DRM. I can't support them in good conscience.

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654109)

Who eats Kraft Dinner anyways

Re:No, no no (2)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654201)

If you've started frequenting the forums, you've already lost.

Honestly, if you expect any kind of sensible or worthwhile debate on forums for a game like Battlefield or CoD then you need to get a better understanding of the world of gaming. It's best to just keep away, there's nothing of value there.

I'm not sure what platform you're playing on, but there are a number of servers that genuinely do just have no rules, and there are official DICE servers on the XBox 360. Stick to these rather than some child-run server and you'll have no problem.

Personally I still find it to have the best multiplayer out there, but again, maybe that's because I don't waste my time with the "community", nor do I give a fuck about arbitrary stats - I just pick it up and play it when I feel like it, then put it down again afterwards.

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654785)

I agree. BF2 i loved. Its not arcade and its not elitist. I hardly ever game, but I played this almost as much as RA1, RA2, and Portal combined.

I was excited about BF3 but the demo was not enjoyable for me, ruined by trolls, elitists, a mandatory infantery game mode, and hardware requirements. BF3 required an investment of 500eur for a GPU to just make the game playable.. that's insane.

I expected BF4 to fix those problems.

Re:No, no no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654787)

$70 is fine, depending on the length of a game. It's certainly fine for a game like Battlefield. This is the way it should be, instead of nickel-and-diming people to death with bullshit DLC, subscriptions, unlock bundles, etc. If you want access to the full BF3 game right now, it'll cost you $100 (if you bought the first game before plus the Premium later, it'll be $110). Instead of pulling this bullshit, just charge us how much you want for the game up-front. Otherwise, it's the same shady bullshit cell providers pull, where they quote one price and when you start getting your bills, they're 20% more from all the little bullshit to "get the full experience".

Unfortunately, that is NOT what will happen, here. They will charge $70. Then they will *still* also charge you $50 for the "season pass" or "premium" and maps, etc. Worse, they're moving every game at EA (as many as possible, including Battlefield) into an annual or bi-annual franchise. No more will you buy Battlefield 2 and enjoy it for four or five years. Nope, you'll buy it and in 12-24 months, you'll buy it all over again for the next small iteration that is launched as an entirely new game.

As if they didn't already fragment the shrinking player-base enough with all this "close quarters" and "armored combat" and "back to karkand" bullshit (just try finding a good server that just rotates everything -- not possible!) . . .

Yawn (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653979)

Quit your [ebgames.com.au] bitchin' [xe.com]

Re:Yawn (5, Insightful)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654095)

It's even worse when they charge those insane prices for downloadable copies. With online downloads they no longer have the bullshit excuse of more expensive distribution in Australia yet still geo-discriminate (it's totally a word) to not undercut the physical copies. Skyrim was $89 on Steam at launch.

Then they wonder why piracy is so high.

Re:Yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654275)

Awwww.... maybe if your country had currency that was worth a damn, Skyrim would be less expensive.

Re:Yawn (1, Insightful)

Fjandr (66656) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654313)

Well, you're trolling, so that explains why you aren't aware that the Australian dollar is worth more than the US dollar.

Re:Yawn (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654189)

That's not an argument. The last time game prices got hiked the hike was propagated to the other territories as well. So Australia will pay even more after this goes through.

Re:Yawn (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654471)

Really? What kind of argument is that? Do you seriously think the prices wont be increased proportionately abroad too?

Not Buying It.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40653987)

I have owned every Battlefield, including the Bad company series, 2142, etc. So, as you can imagine, I am a big fan of these type of games. Sadly, I will be abandoning the series because the one player storyline is just too damn short. I mean, you can complete the entire game within 1-2 evenings. That's a rip off, it was the same thing when Valve started to produces "Episodes" for Half-life.

The greed behind these companies will destroy them.

Re:Not Buying It.... (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | more than 2 years ago | (#40653993)

Episodic content can be done well if you can push episodes out on a schedule. Game devs should take a page from TV and code ("film") all their episodes in advance then release them every 2 months or something. Basically, buffer the entire "season" and release it incrementally.

launching an exe from a web browser is stupid (5, Interesting)

locopuyo (1433631) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654001)

I stopped buying EA games when every single one started having a web interfaced that required me to download a browser plug-in to launch a windows EXE on my local hard drive.
I don't want to download your shitty browser plug-in and be forced to use a shitty browser just to launch the game. I want to click one button to launch the executable and be in the game.
I won't spend $70 on any EA game. I won't even play a Free to Play EA game because of this.

Re:launching an exe from a web browser is stupid (2)

asylumx (881307) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654717)

Thank you for bringing this up. I still play BF3 but constantly rail against the stupid web interface. Heaven forbid something on their website is down -- you can't even play the game!

Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SNES? (5, Insightful)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654009)

It was $70 at Target. That was almost 20 years ago. Now games have better graphics, better replayability, on-line multiplayer, etc. and they sell new from $40-$60. That's not bad given the progression since then. I'd ask you to get off my lawn now, but it's been paved over with concrete.

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (3, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654105)

Your argument is flawed. Back then, games were a niche market. Less people were buying them, the industry was just getting started, and games came with manuals.
Today, games are prevalent, the market is understood, and the industry has been around a while. They also have no manuals.
However, cost is going up because industries are getting greedy and are creating a false environment of "games are in trouble thus we must raise prices".

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654177)

Have you ever heard of this thing called "inflation"?

If your statement is true, how come stuff like food and cars are not getting cheaper, although I'm pretty sure their market is also quite understood?

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654139)

Your argument is flawed--$35 of that $70 price was for the media itself because cartridges were expensive little buggers. Today DVD's cost pennies.

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654153)

SNES cartridges carried a much higher cost than a plain stamped optical disc or downloaded content.

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654191)

Yes - it was a superb game with hundreds of hours of playability. It also had a far superior multiplayer mode to Battlefield - if my friend started screaming racial slurs at me, I could always smack him upside the head ...

Re:Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SN (4, Informative)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654209)

Remember when Street Fighter II came out for SNES? It was $70 at Target. That was almost 20 years ago.

A large part of that $70 price tag was actual manufacturing costs. Street Fighter II was the first 16MBit SNES game, and producing ROM cartridges that large was not cheap at the time.

Simple answer (1)

aepervius (535155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654227)

* use standard media instead of hardware media (DVD/blue ray vs cartridge)
* Better distribution channel.
* Bigger market
* Development cost (code) lower due to library / engine / plug in software solutions
* re-usage of some artisitic/texture
* better software practice, standard, and sof forth

That made game much cheaper to produce than it was a long time ago. In fact, you have to wonder why the price stay fixed at 50$ rather than go lower, seeing the poor quality of certain products and obvious , VERY obvious reusage of assets (dragon age 2 for example).

next-gen pricing? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654013)

Fuck no. I'm gonna continue to pirate everything.

You games makers have been shitting on us and calling us pirates for decades. So i'm a pirate. Fuck you. go broke.

Or at least learn how to treat your CUSTOMERS.

Either way. my $70? NOT YOURS!

Re: next-gen pricing? (0, Troll)

Liambp (1565081) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654083)

Sorry but since you don't pay them any money you are not entitled to call yourself a customer and your opinion is irrelevant.

Re: next-gen pricing? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654235)

GP didn't call him/herself a customer. (S)he said they don't know how to treat their customers, so it makes sense (s)he's not interested in spending $70 to become one.

(I'm not taking any position on whether (s)he should or not download the game illegally)

more money for less content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654023)

BF3 was such a huge let down it was like they forgot what BF was about and turned out a COD ver of their games i wouldnt pay 10 dollars for BF4, the shameless money grabs and lack of respect for their own IP have turned me off to modern shooters all together. i might come back for the new BF 2042 if they make a stable titan mode for 64 players that doesnt lag the server whenever people get to the core. but i definitely would not feel comfortable paying 70 dollars for these new games with half the content of the old ones

My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (5, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654033)

that was 20 something years ago, and hell if you dont want to pay 70 2012 bucks for a game that has higher production quality than most movies from 20 something years ago and gives you months of entertainment, wait

yea OMFG wait, by Christmas it will be in the sub 30$ bin at walmart and still have thousands of players.

of all the things people can bitch and whine about new games, cost is not really one of them

a 2600 game would cost you 77 bucks today
a SNES game would cost you 79 bucks today
Metal Gear solid would cost you 84 bucks today

(and we haven't even left the 90's yet)
so please STFU that game prices have not inflated equally with everything else, they have actually gotten cheaper!

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (1)

Sowelu (713889) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654051)

Oh how I wish I had mod points. You are so exactly right. I paid fifty bucks for NES games, even though they didn't have much gameplay in them.

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654183)

A lot of that was the "Nintendo tax" and cost of cartridge manufacturing. There is no "Microsoft tax" for PC games.

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (2, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654215)

I paid fifty bucks for NES games, even though they didn't have much gameplay in them.

NES games, at least the good ones, had a lot more real gameplay in them than the cookie-cutter FPS shit that passes for "A-list games" today.

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654053)

You're confusing the reader with facts, and scientific data.

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (1)

locopuyo (1433631) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654061)

And the money they put into developing them has gotten ridiculously higher. A typical game takes around 3 years to make with hundreds of people working on it to finish. A typical NES game could be made by a handful of people in less than a month.

Re:My 16 bit games cost 50 bucks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654131)

a game that has higher production quality than most movies

There's not enough laughing in the world for how laughable this bit is. If you honestly think that any game, modern or otherwise, has more production value than a movie, you are extremely misinformed as to how much goes into each. I love games and even I couldn't say this with a straight face.

This 70 dollar game thing is yet another thing some of you idiots will swallow and justify endlessly, based on what? Liking Battlefield? EA is doing this crap because they can, because they've fostered an entire generation of 'ours is better than yours' and now, here you are, defending them for free. Were I the CEO I'd be reading posts like this all over the internet and laughing as I lit another 100 dollar cigar.

Seriously, justify it all you want. Not much I can do to break this seeming hypnotic suggestion their advertising and information barrage has created. I just hope you enjoy spending hundreds of dollars per game via rising initial prices, on-disk DLC, subscription-based gaming, the eventual destruction of the used game market, the rise of intellectual property, 'licensing' games instead of owning media and other various ways to leech more and more hard-earned money from your wallet.

And you'll defend it to the virtual death. I'll just never understand that mindset.

Well the thing is (4, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654205)

Sales of games have gone up as well. More people buy them, and marginal cost has gone way, WAY down. Console cartridges had a fairly high marginal cost. Those chips weren't that cheap. DVDs cost next to nothing, a full boxed game costs $1-2 at most to make. Digital distribution is even cheaper, costing only a few cents for a download at most and the cost is borne entirely by the company running the DD service.

Also DD allows for more profit per title. Steam, Impulse, etc take less of a cut than retail. Standard retail markup is usually 100%. So if you want a retailer to sell your product for $60, you have to charge them $30. Just the kind of margins required to make money with all the costs of retail. DD charges less, Steam doesn't reveal their specifics but it is more around a 30/70 split (70% to you) than the 50/50 of retail.

Of course if the DD happens to be owned by the company then all they pay is the cost to host and transfer it to customers (usually they outsource that to someone like Akamai) which as I said is only a few cents.

So really it seems to make sense that maybe games should be costing less. Yes the product cost is higher, but distribution costs are very low and of course we all know from ECON 200 that lower prices equal more sales.

The question is all one of value for the money. If they want $70 for their game and other companies will sell them on sale on Steam for $20, then maybe they don't get many people paying $70.

i charge 70 bucks for these nuts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654047)

in ya mouth!

Good luck with that (4, Interesting)

tsotha (720379) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654059)

I play PC games through steam, and I'm patient. Haven't paid more than $30 for a game in years, and I'm not about to start.

Re:Good luck with that (2)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654323)

I paid $90 for Oblivion, $90 for Skyrim, and that's about it for full-priced titles over the past 7-8 years. Over the past three years I've gone Steam and GOG crazy, hoovering up cheap games and spending way more than I used to when it was 'pick one title and make it last'. At my age I reckon I have more games than I can possibly finish in my lifetime, but I still keep buying the suckers.

Typically Behind-The-Times US of A (3, Informative)

Crypto Gnome (651401) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654089)

Current PC Game prices here in Australia have been in the $70-$100 range for years, yes even this year where our dollar is worth more than yours.

I'd say it's nice to see you finally playing catch-up if it weren't for the fact that it's only going to translate to $150 games here.

Re:Typically Behind-The-Times US of A (0)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654523)

You realise if their prices go up by $10 then AUS prices will go up by at least that.

Re:Typically Behind-The-Times US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654559)

You realise his second sentence actually said that?

Re:Typically Behind-The-Times US of A (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654583)

So why doesn't Australia make their own games? Stop whining like a little bitch. Nobody owes you anything.

Captcha: inherits

LOL

Uniform Pricing is the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654097)

They should price the games according to the country being sold, like it's happening for years now with drugs. The can't complain for piracy when they sell a 70$ game to someone gaining 7$ a day. All these lost profits have the potential to lower the price for everyone.

Happy to pay what a game is worth (1)

Yonan (883124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654113)

Price points to me are irrelevant and should be for any semi-intelligent buyer. Look at the product, look at the price and see if it's worth it. I'd be happy to pay $200 for a game that was worth $200. BF4 however I doubt I'll pick up even at $10 as that series (and CoD) have been downhill since BF1942 and CoD4. However I'm not naive enough to think that most people will take that stance. Many people happily go to get fleeced at a local, highly over priced store rather than shopping for physical copies online, or getting a digital copy - ie. steam specials. The more EA gets hammered pulling silly stunts like this the better it'll be for gaming as it's bound to sink in sooner or later that they're being idiots. "Here's the same thing we sold you last year, but you get to pay an extra $10 on top of what you paid last time, whooooo!!!"

how bout I lift the skirt and bend over? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654121)

I feel them in me already!

Re:how bout I lift the skirt and bend over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654217)

uh, ok.

Isn't $70 normal for a game? (1)

dohzer (867770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654125)

It is in Australia. Even when our dollar buys more than the US.

Re:Isn't $70 normal for a game? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654489)

You do realize that the price over there is going to increase proportionately, right? So you can expect another $10-15 added to your cost as well. Sure, it was kinda funny the first couple times a poster pointed out this has been "normal" in other areas of the world for a while now, but it's only going to get even worse for you if it gets worse for us.

Re:Isn't $70 normal for a game? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654635)

I imagine that they're hoping to take a total of $100 total revenue per person from the game. That's a rough average of the people who pay $70 vs the people who pay $70 + the cost of all the DLC (another $50) over the course of the year.

Is this a rhetorical question? (3, Insightful)

Lose (1901896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654133)

Of course I'm not ready for "next gen" prices. I'm not even willing to pay the current gen prices. If I can't wait it out for the price to come down by at least 50%, I won't buy it.

It doesn't help that almost all commercial PC games come in the form of sloppy console ports these days. I wouldn't even consider pirating them. If there wasn't such a strong indie game market I probably wouldn't buy any new games at all.

They are $70 already in Aus (2)

bug1 (96678) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654137)

eg. a "new release" shooter from ebgames (gamestop) $68AU, which is about $70 US.
https://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-150873-Spec-Ops-The-Line-PC [ebgames.com.au]

In other news, US companies overcharge foreigners.

Re:They are $70 already in Aus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654443)

Here in France 70 € has been the standard for a long time, that's $85 US...

Re:They are $70 already in Aus (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654727)

Here in France 70 € has been the standard for a long time, that's $85 US...

That may be the case, but we talking two countries with different economies and published US prices do not include sales tax in them.

Re:They are $70 already in Aus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654459)

Only if Australia had their own developers...

Ahhh... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654161)

This is the same EA who recently said that they were going to a full-on digital company too, and cutting out the middleman(aka retail boxed stores) eventually. Well, isn't that interesting. You'd think, maybe, just possibly, they'd take the reasonable approach and sell something for less and in turn make more money by selling more copies. Instead of charging more money, and selling one copy.

Some shops are offering steep discounts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654169)

TPB Online Store [thepiratebay.se]

I guess it will be released before "the future" (2)

dingen (958134) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654299)

I guess they'll release Battlefield 4 before "the future" then, as it is the same EA that predicts that in the future all games will be free [kotaku.com] .

Thank you EA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654311)

Thank you for making the 2nd hand market even bigger.

I hope you realize you are screwing nobody but yourself in doing this.
Enjoy your lower sales numbers.

$120 in AU, even if AU dollar is more (2)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654365)

I bet those crooks will sell or allow the evil aussie ozziesoft or who ever, have country wide exclusive distribution rights, and have their own 40% markup for zero work.

EA, please dump/ignore ALL au middle men, setup your own EAAU HQ, and use it to bring in all games at true true true wholesale prices ($40USD) and sell them to AU shops at 65AU, so they can retail for $70AU in shops, below every single retailer selling competitors products in AU for $110+.

Screw the middle men, the exact work they do is nothing special that EA cannot do themselves in AU.

Re:$120 in AU, even if AU dollar is more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654759)

Battlefield 3 Aussie Retail Prices -
Origin: $50
EB Games: $36
JB Hifi: $39

Sorry, who's the crook exactly here? News flash, EA are money hungry dirt bags, games are twice the price of the US because they want them to be. Just like how the invented a "HD tax" when the Xbox 360 and PS3 came out to "cover increased development costs".

Too Cool for EA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654399)

Sorry, I play EVE Online and I don't see why I'd want to play shit like CoD, MoH and BF.
I'm an elite player, not a casual-amateur who calls himself "gamer".

And anyone who really likes to play video games should be willing to get into complex games like EVE and others, and just ditch the casual crap that companies like Activision, Ubisoft and EA sell you at prices that make you think it's oil.
Yes, it takes some time and effort to get into more advanced games, but if games are really your hobby it's worth it.

Did I mention you can play an MMO like EVE for 4 months for $70 (including the price of the initial purchase of the game)? 6 months if you sign up for 6 months straight.

Anyway, congratulations to the few who will decide to get into hardcore games after reading this, you guys are on the right track to playing video games seriously!
The rest of you, well you noobs can keep competing for achievements on your casual games like a bunch of retarded children trying to see who can catch the most soap bubbles. In the meantime, I built and own a couple dozen space stations and an army of 200+ ships in X3: Terran Conflict, and my alliance of over 1000 players has officially conquered solar systems and forms an actual empire in EVE - we build stations and outposts, we own capital ships, we mine the rarest ores and we even rent some of our systems to smaller groups of players. I'm also a very good sniper in ARMA 2, and that counts for something since in that game you need to adjust your aim for distance and wind and you need to use actual military strategy and tactics to win (not like your AAA shooters where you just need to press the trigger while your crosshair is over the enemy).
Compared to me you are jokes and should stop calling yourself gamers. Play real games if you want to brag about something.

Anyway, enjoy collecting the soap bubbles!

Depends what you're paying for. (2)

Leo Sasquatch (977162) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654415)

If they've upgraded the game engine significantly, opened up the world (or at least removed the artillery insta-death wall around all the levels), and made the enemy take wounding damage and react accordingly, then yes, that's a distinct improvement over previous iterations of the franchise. If it's just what amounts to a map pack for the same engine with a short-ass totally linear single-player campaign bolted on, then it's Doom with extra shiniez and they can go phuq themselves.

I'm going to use my awesome psychic powers here to predict that it's a map pack with a 10-hour campaign bolted on, and a handful of obscure weapons added to the multiplayer. Because that's much, much cheaper than actually doing any work.

Most games companies (excluding Valve) are no longer in the business of providing top-quality entertainment. Their job now is to figure out precisely how little they can give you, and how much they can charge you, before you finally vote with your wallet and go somewhere else. You know that if the game makers came up with a 16-hour campaign, the publishers would release an 8-hour campaign, and 2 x 4-hour DLC.

I haven't bought anything in the last 6 months that wasn't on Steam. Still working through Arkham City, Psychonauts, Serious Sam 3, Braid, Rock of Ages, and Assassins Creed. I don't need or want to buy any new games at $70 or UKP equivalent - I'll just wait until they show up on Steam in a year for half that.

Inflation (1, Troll)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654435)

Stop complaining about game prices, you only make yourself look stupid.

$50 in 2002 = $63.86 today
$50 in 1992 = $81.82 today
$50 in 1982 = $120.04 today

Games have actually gotten cheaper, not more expensive over the decades, because their prices have not kept up with inflation.

Re:Inflation (2)

Vaphell (1489021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654627)

first flatscreen TVs were in tens of thousands range. You see what i am getting at?
Games used to be a niche, a luxury, now they are a mainstream entertainment for the masses and a mature industry - economies of scale should apply, considering digital distribution, tech advances and what not... not to mention depressed economy.

Re:Inflation (0)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654689)

first flatscreen TVs were in tens of thousands range. You see what i am getting at? Games used to be a niche, a luxury, now they are a mainstream entertainment for the masses and a mature industry - economies of scale should apply, considering digital distribution, tech advances and what not... not to mention depressed economy.

Or, you could simply stop questioning the skill and expertise of the multimillion dollar marketing department who is using good old fashioned supply and demand 101 to determine the price.

Simple rules here. VERY simple. When customers are lining up around the block at midnight for your product and generating massive pre-order numbers, I think it's safe to say you can afford to charge 10 bucks more this time around and "see what happens" in the first week of sales.

Already do in NZ and Australia (1)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654475)

We typically get charged $130-150 for new console games. The PC equivalents are around $100 so a bit cheaper. The NZ$ is currently worth 80 US cents so you do the maths.

The part that really disgusts me is that NZ salaries are significantly lower than the US and yet entertainment costs are way higher. Heck, I can buy Blu ray discs from the UK for half the cost delivered than I can just by going to JB Hifi down the road. Shame that Amazon UK won't sell us games too because the UK prices on those are typically half the cost of the same game here too.

Re:Already do in NZ and Australia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654611)

Shame that Amazon UK won't sell us games too because the UK prices on those are typically half the cost of the same game here too.

The next best thing is NZ Game Shop [nzgameshop.com] - they drop ship games from the UK to NZ significantly cheaper than other NZ retailers.

Pay? (1)

Cyfun (667564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654511)

You people still pay for computer and vidya games? What a bunch of saps! The last game I bought was Half-Life 1!

$70 for EA games? Time to pirate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654639)

Actually, it's EA so I won't even play their games. The Evil Association doesn't even deserve my time to pirate.

Never again (3, Funny)

naranek (1727936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654657)

I bought Mass Effect 3 and you wouldn't believe all the hoops I had to jump through just to play the game. One of them was as silly as downloading the game files from the EA server even if I had them on the DVDs I had bought. The Origin client was a beta version, and when I contacted EA support to ask for a stable, they said they don't have one. I also asked if I could play the game if Origin network is shut down. The answer was that it's a new network and it's constantly expanding, so I shouldn't worry about it shutting down.

Never again.

You meant $7, yes? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40654723)

You meant $7, yes?

Good luck with that (1)

g051051 (71145) | more than 2 years ago | (#40654745)

I've never paid more that $30 for a game, normally won't buy a new game for more thatn $20, and usually wait for sales or other discounts. I've got the money, but I find games rarely deliver the entertainment value for the cost. I've never purchased a game at the current $60 price point, so I'd expect more gamers to start passing on the triple-A releases, or DLC driven games.

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