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Tasmanian Cops Decline To "Censor Internet"

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the don't-feed-the-trolls dept.

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aesoteric writes "Tasmania's police force has taken the unusual step of asking the public to stop alerting it to every 'abusive or harassing' comment posted to Facebook or other social media sites. The force said it was 'increasingly receiving complaints' about material posted to the sites, but sought to clarify that 'the use of technology to undertake some conduct does not in itself create an offense.'"

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2 heads... (0, Redundant)

jampola (1994582) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660667)

Are always better than one!

Dodgy headline on TFS (5, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660683)

Saying that "Tasmanian police decline" to do something implies that they are actually empowered to do so as a matter of course. I suspect the Tasmanian police cannot censor the internet, and even if they were given a court order only limited censorship could be attempted (likely with even more limited success).

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660783)

I suspect the Tasmanian police cannot censor the internet, and even if they were given a court order only limited censorship could be attempted

I agree! The Tasmanian police definitely need to be given wider powers to deal with incivility on the internets. Remember when you criminalise Facebook, only criminals will use Facebook. Which would be a pretty convenient way to round up criminals if you think about it.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660791)

Rosie, The View called said that extra reenforced steal chair you ordered has arrived and that you can come back to work now.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660899)

Nope, being empowered can very well be substituted with phisically and somehow else overpowered.(not necessary leagally)
Police forces all around the world, specifically in USA, Russia, a few muslim countries are great example.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660911)

ahh, feck ma spelling

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (3, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661029)

It is their own fault for implying they can do something.

According to this site [tas.gov.au] they host or work with other sites to inform kids that what they are complaining about could be a crime. It's right there under the header "Department of Education (DoE) Tasmania"

"This site presents information for school communities about the criminal offense of cyber bullying. Students should be informed that if they use technology in an inappropriate fashion then they could be committing a crime."

My guess is that some people were sleeping in class when instructed on this, or some people got mad at comments posted and looked to find what could be done to discover that "It might be a criminal offense" connected to "cyber bullying" and considered the comments that offended them as bullying and a criminal offense.

This is probably why it's the Tasmania police taking this unusual step too.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661207)

As the parent of a young child in Australia, I am facing a similar challenge when my son plays soccer for his school.

A few of the Catholic schools play very rough (swinging shoulder/elbow to the head, headlocks, punching and kicking other players - sometimes when they don't even have the ball, etc). I've taken a different course of action to "informing the police".

I notified the respective school principal in writing of "duty of care" and "contributory negligence" - which basically means "if anything happens, you're toast and I will sue your ass personally for every cent possible".

Whilst I don't support frivolous law suits, I detest coaches and parents who happily stand by and let other people's young children be assaulted in the name of their child "winning at all costs" at a school sport.

I agree with the cyber-bullying policy that's been established in Australia. Rather than pursuing the police, pursue those responsible/accountable for educating these children - and the principal of the school of the culprit is one of the best places to start.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1, Offtopic)

lewko (195646) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661255)

Just as well he doesn't play Rugby!

Also, it's his "arse" that you will be suing.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661567)

Unless the principal has a donkey and he intends to hold that donkey personally responsible. You never know...

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661911)

Oh, no - their precious little baby could never play something so rough, that's why they chose soccer because it's a non-contact sport (pffft)

Wimpy parents, wimpy kid. They may as well teach him to play chess, he'll end up with about the same level of street cred with mummy or daddy crying to the principal all the time.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (4, Informative)

Dodgy G33za (1669772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661435)

An incident off the ball can and should be consider assault with battery and should, in my opinion, be reported to the police.

"Consent is implied to those things which are inherent in the sport. Participants are generally deemed to not consent to behaviour outside the laws of the game. Claims of foul play being a "normal" part of the game are in most cases rejected - i.e. illegal tackles

McNamara v Duncan, 1971"

And yes, it was an Australian case (AFL as it happens).

And if you think the school has primary responsibility for educating your child I think you might have parenting a little be wrong.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661771)

Wow. Would it not be better to just have a chat with the parents of the kids? If the parents are also a-holes then feel free to sue them for negligence, but the school is not the children's guardian. Then those parents can turn around and sue the school if they can.

For sports you should only be suing if the referee is not stopping the game or the administrators of the league are not setting safe guidelines. If everyone is doing their job and kids are still out of control (even with penalties and game losing player removals) then you are back to the parents.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661975)

And even then, fucking hell this isn't the USA we're talking about. Who the fuck sues someone over something like this - kids playing soccer? Shit a fucking brick, if Australia starts heading down that path I'm moving to fucking Fiji or something.

I'd understand if their were medical expenses or something like that, but that's what we're all getting reamed on the costs of public indemnity insurance for schools anyway, so just hit up their insurance policy - the premiums are already expensive partly because of assholes like the other poster who can't stand the thought of their precious angel maybe getting hurt a little and learning something about life.

Just teach your kid, if you get elbowed, wait till the ref isn't looking and kick them in the nuts. What kind of pansy assholes are people breeding these days? Fuck me.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661057)

That's one way of looking at it. I was looking more at the ridiculous expectations that people seem to have about law enforcement and "law" and "enforcement" and all that.

People need to give up on the "this offends me and so it is illegal" crap.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661149)

errr.. all censorship laws are of the "this offends me and so it is illegal" variety. That's what they are for.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661351)

All of them? Not really. Some of them exist because the people who made the laws believe that the speech causes damage (employers firing you, screaming fire in a theater, etc). They're not all "it offends me, so it's illegal."

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (3, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661437)

True... sometimes it's "it *might* be offensive" without even checking with others for opinions.

In the end, people need to get over their crap. Excuse me while I draw some more Muhammad cartoons.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662079)

People need to give up on the "this offends me and so it is illegal" crap.

So we need to take up the Talliban's Solution of "You Offend Me so Die" and just shoot them? That'll work well.

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661067)

It's power-grabbin' time!

Re:Dodgy headline on TFS (1)

nemui-chan (550759) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663117)

The american police do things all the time that they're not actually empowered to do.

Its Tasmania FFS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660669)

No body gives a shit

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (5, Funny)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660681)

What a devilish insult, it really bugs me. You must be daffy spreading this FUDD.

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660689)

It's a piss ant little island with more fibre than most densely populated nations and for what? the whole six inbred people that live down there?

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (2)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660731)

It's a piss ant little island with more fibre than most densely populated nations and for what? the whole six inbred people that live down there?

Actually its population [google.co.uk] is about the same as that of Whyoming [google.co.uk] .

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660757)

CO.UK?!? That was before the British came along and cleansed the place.

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

ixuzus (2418046) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661415)

I would post AC if I held views like that too.

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660869)

To be fair he is probably from Wyoming. [wheaterville.com]

It is amazing the number of people from that state that use the term "piss ant" on local political sites.

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662701)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pissant [wikipedia.org]

Piss ant can also be used positively. Ron Ault of the AFL-CIO said, in describing the relationship of his union to the Pentagon, "Our job is to be the irritant, piss ant stinging them on their ankles at every opportunity."

Go Tasmania, go! Proudly keeping people on their toes since Dracula :D

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661005)

jealous much?

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660805)

"What a devilish insult, ..."

Hopefully a Tasmanian devilish one.

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

sgunhouse (1050564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660883)

Whoosh!

With the use of "bugs", "daffy" and "FUDD" (as in Elmer, not "FUD") in the same sentence, how could it be otherwise?

Re:Its Tasmania FFS (1)

styrotech (136124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661015)

Surely the social media subject could've at least justified a Tweety pun in there somewhere...

And now I can discuss my plans! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660691)

To rob the First National Bank of Tasmania of all the Gold Bullion it has!!

Bwah-hah-hah.

ok, first we're going to need Sharks with Lasers on their heads, then we'll need a Crazy Ivan, a pair of Ichigo's, a Rolf the Dog, a Mr. Whipple, five golden rings, and a Partridge in a Pear Tree.

Re:And now I can discuss my plans! (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661805)

Ah The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, yes yes a fine film by all accounts (have not seen it myself but I hear good things).

The real issue... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660693)

What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police. The kind of person that would do such a thing is surely the worst on earth.

Re:The real issue... (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660711)

You really don't get the internet do you? not only does it breed this type of behaviour but news and blog sites love to publish sensational drivel about it.

BTW, /., user's were complaining about how crap you've become lately when you posted about the iOS AppStore hack, I sided with you on posting it thinking they were wrong.... this article however just made me eat my own words. Thanks!

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660717)

I think you need to lay off the sauce bud.

Re:The real issue... (5, Funny)

oztiks (921504) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660737)

THATS IT IM CALLING THE COPS!

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661007)

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661115)

Best. Response. Ever.

Posting anonymously, as I'm bound to get modpoints tomorrow.

Re:The real issue... (1)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660853)

Yours was a parody post, you just forget the <funny/> tag.

Right? Right?

Re:The real issue... (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660739)

What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police. The kind of person that would do such a thing is surely the worst on earth.

Yes, I'd report them ... oh wait.

Re:The real issue... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660809)

What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police.

We can take them off the streets at the stage that they use unkind words, or we can wait till they assault and kill people.

The kind of person that would do such a thing is surely the worst on earth.

Are you seriously saying that the killer of Thomas Kelly is a "better kind of person" than those who would protect society from that kind of mindless violence? How fucked in the head are you!?

Re:The real issue... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660849)

Well lets put it in perspective... cops are dumb ... people who talk to cops are even dumber.

End of discussion, we can all go home now.

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660863)

... people who talk to cops are even dumber.

That's a very poor attitude. We need everybody to let the police the location of any of our neighbours with suspects ideas. How else can we arrest people before they commit a crime. You are clearly a friend to murderers and worse.

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660813)

"What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police. "

I always make a police report if somebody calls me a douche on Facebook.
It's what we douches do.

Re:The real issue... (2)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661019)

What really spins my head here is the concept that someone would report trolling on the internet to the police. The kind of person that would do such a thing is surely the worst on earth.

nope, the worst is the tragically high number of braindead morons that use facebook at all

Re:The real issue... (3, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661085)

As an intermittent reader of some of the unofficial/unsanctioned police blogs that have sprung up in the UK over the last few years, I was entirely unsurprised by this story.

Complaints to the police regarding rude messages on face-book are absolutely nothing new. Most of those in the UK seem to come from the lower rungs of the social ladder and are normally couched as complaints of "harassment" (though as in Tazmania, most of the complaints fall well short of the level needed for the behaviour to be criminal).

The real story here isn't about technology or Facebook or Twitter or whatever at all. It's about the fact that large numbers of people are so bad at managing their own lives and so used to having other people (usually some agency of the state) sort everything out for them that they think it's appropriate to bring the police into mundane arguments and disputes.

Re:The real issue... (1)

just_a_monkey (1004343) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661335)

Wasn't there a story just yesterday or so about how Facebook could automatically detect crimespeech (or, you know, crimetext) and notify the police? I feel safer already...

Re:The real issue... (2)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661837)

I pay me taxes guv'ner, I don't see why I shou'dnt use them up every chance I get. Like me mum always said "you can't take it wit you".

Re:The real issue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661999)

I pay me taxes guv'ner, I don't see why I shou'dnt use them up every chance I get.

The taxi driver added a surcharge on my fare. When I asked what it was for, he said it was "a little something to cover cleaning costs". So, I puked in the back of his cab and said "OK, there's a little something to help you spend it".

Re:The real issue... (1)

Dodgy G33za (1669772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661439)

I dunno. If a guy can be prosecuted for a wisecrack about bombing an airport on Twitter I guess it isn't a stretch of the imagination. Let's not forget that cyber bulling can and does lead to suicide.

Re:The real issue... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661581)

Honestly, it's a shame that those individuals didn't find help in time. What a waste of potential.

However, if they were prepared to kill themselves over something like that, it tells me that they were indeed in desperate need of professional help. I doubt they would survive very long in the real world without it if they would so readily kill themselves over "cyber bullying." What's needed is not censorship but for them to find help.

Unusual? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660721)

Yeah, it's unusual that somebody finally gets it right!

What a cool name! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660723)

I mean, seriously... Luke Manhood? "Throbbing" to his mates, perhaps? Rampaging? E. Normous Manhood, to his missus? And to be working in the eCrimes unit as well . . . if random strangers on the Internet can come up with this, just think what his Police colleagues can do. Anyone who can go through life with a surname like that, doing the job he does, gets my utmost respect!

Re:What a cool name! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660879)

Even funnier a direct excerpt

... inspector [Luke] Manhood urged the public to lodge ...

Re:What a cool name! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661511)

"Inspector Manhood" sounds vaguely like what the patrons of certain lap-dancing establishments in Bangkok might do, if you say it just right.

(capcha is "picture"... Slashdot is Skynet...)

Re:What a cool name! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661707)

And if you find her manhood, RUN!

THE TASMANIAN DEVIL DINGO ATE ME BABY !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660759)

And it was true, wasn't it. Hm, where are those coppers when you need them !! They are all sitting on their fat asses at the donut shoppe !!

Re:THE TASMANIAN DEVIL DINGO ATE ME BABY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662083)

This is Australia we're talking about - it's "doughnut".

Although we're talking about Tasmania so you could just have easily called it "appropriate school lunch food for my child/cousin".

Re:THE TASMANIAN DEVIL DINGO ATE ME BABY !! (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662821)

There are no dingos in Tasmania, and Tassie cops eat apples. But yes, Lindy was telling the truth and she finally has the death certificate to prove it.

I'm Telling Dad! (5, Insightful)

Aereus (1042228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660821)

Does this smack anyone else as really immature? It reminds me of siblings threatening to tell your parents about something. Or telling the teacher if someone is picking on you in school. Do they honestly think this is a worthy use of their police resources by having a thin skin and crying to the police about every random person that says something about them on the internet?

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (2)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660859)

The stance taken by these particular police strikes me as fairly mature.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (5, Insightful)

Craefter (71540) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660905)

It IS immature. I believe that the general public (especially Facebook users) does not develop mentally past the 14 year old stage. Sure, people get "older" (if you cut them in half and count the rings) but that doesn't mean they automatically get "wiser". I think the biggest downside here is that those people like to use their birthdate for a measure of respect they should be receiving.

Now get off my lawn!

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (3, Funny)

isorox (205688) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660931)

I think the biggest downside here is that those people like to use their birthdate for a measure of respect they should be receiving.

Now get off my lawn!

Agreed - slashdot uid is a much better measure

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662407)

Ditto, but YOU get off my lawn! :P

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661035)

I... couldn't put it better myself.
Physical maturity sadly is not even remotely equal to mental maturity.

God only knows how many people I know who have a mentality less than my cousin who is now in a pipe band, is taking over his dads business and doing several high levels in his 2 last senior years of school.
Meanwhile another cousin of mines stole money from my sister, mother, grandparents, her own brothers, her friends AND a fucking LAWYERs firm. (literally stole settlement papers)
Talk about complete thicko of a child.
Sadly, the latter mentality is the majority, admittedly to lesser extents, of the sorts of mentalities in the general public. The kid who thinks they can steal another sweet from the desk without anyone else seeing it, the one who can draw on the wall and think they can get away with it despite being the only damn person in the house besides the accuser.

See, the problem is the education system doesn't teach people to grow up.
It teaches people how to do things.
If there was a few classes a day dedicated to teaching you memory skills, spacial awareness, life skills and stuff like that, we'd be spitting out geniuses left, right and center.
Sadly we also live in a society where that is a bad thing since it creates yet another "entitlement" generation, which is also another problem.

No wonder there are wars. Children DO run countries.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

tibit (1762298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661667)

In the high school where I went to, there was no bragging about "high levels" because every freaking body took them. You came to school on the first day of the semester, and your class schedule (same as mostly everyone else's in your group) was posted on the wall next to the principal's office. If you didn't like it there, you could always go to a lesser school. Same pretty much with the undergraduate curriculum at the university, except that the schedules were on the wall next to the dean's office, there being no position called a principal in the physics department, as it was. And it snowed uphill both ways, too :)

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661093)

I think the biggest down-under here is that those people like to use their birthdate for a measure of respect they should be receiving.

FTFY. Wait... Tassie isn't quite the biggest downunder, but is still here.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (3, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661613)

I believe that the general public (especially Facebook users) does not develop mentally past the 14 year old stage.

And they think you are a computer nerd who is completely out of touch with real life and incapable of understanding human relationships to the point of understanding things like Facebook or social interaction.

This feeling is universal. Everyone else is an idiot, except the ones who agree with you. The world is full of morons, if only you were in charge or could make them see...

Newspapers discovered this was the secret to increased sales decades ago.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661849)

And they think you are a computer nerd who is completely out of touch with real life and incapable of understanding human relationships to the point of understanding things like Facebook or social interaction.

No, it is a fact that they are oversensitive. Take a look at the story...

This feeling is universal. Everyone else is an idiot, except the ones who agree with you.

But I think it's pretty universally agreed upon that Einstein, for instance, was very intelligent. Now, you don't have to be Einstein to realize that the general public isn't very intelligent. Some people really are more intelligent than others. This is also a fact. Identifying the intelligent people is a bit more difficult, and as you said, most like to believe they're intelligent. But it's not difficult to spot stupidity.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660957)

Capitalism breeds this sort of immaturity. THAT'S MY STUFF/IDEA AND HE'S USING IT!!!

If humans really made an effort, we'd all take care of everything around us and we'd all be able to share.

But since we won't, it's important for each person to do what they can to reduce the threat from every other.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1, Troll)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661031)

Capitalism breeds this sort of immaturity

bong smoking retard hippies breed this sort of immaturity... "hey man that's a cool trinket... think i might just take that... whaddayamean it was your granmas... fuck off and leave my trinket alone... police orificer!!! that asshole tried to take my trinket... will you fuckin arrest her or somethin... puffff.... ooooooh yeah that's some good shit"

capitalism isn't immature; it's just its own worst enemy

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661047)

hey man that's a cool trinket... think i might just take that... whaddayamean it was your granmas... fuck off and leave my trinket alone

That's a handsome straw man you've got there.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661165)

hey man that's a cool trinket... think i might just take that... whaddayamean it was your granmas... fuck off and leave my trinket alone

That's a handsome straw man you've got there.

It'd be a shame if anything were to... happen to it.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661117)

I'm game as long as you are sharing more then I have to.

Greed is inherent in behavior without capitalism which is why we have to tell children to share when they are young then tell them again not to share when they get older and start using the intertubes.

Wait, its the internet that makes people greedy.. hmm.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661467)

I'm game as long as you are sharing more then I have to.

Greed is inherent in behavior without capitalism which is why we have to tell children to share when they are young then tell them again not to share when they get older and start using the intertubes.

The problem isn't sharing or lack thereof. That's usually a symptom. The problem is taking - sharing is what hopefully happens after someone has already taken more than what's fair. But it's just a remedy, not a cure, and it's not even true sharing. It's unclean hands.

If a child takes the entire cake and then gives back half so his brother can get some, he shouldn't be rewarded for sharing. It wasn't his to share.
If he, on the other hand, is given a chocolate, accepts it in the faith that everyone got some, and upon finding out this isn't true shares it, it should be rewarded.

Wait, its the internet that makes people greedy.. hmm.

In some ways, unfortunately, this seems to be the case. I see more cases of people feeling entitled to anything they can get than, say, 20 years ago.
When a BBS closed or became subscription only, people would sigh and move on. If a web site closes or becomes subscription only, people will send hate mail because they're deprived of something they felt entitled to.
Yes, I would call this greed.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661891)

The problem isn't sharing or lack thereof. That's usually a symptom. The problem is taking - sharing is what hopefully happens after someone has already taken more than what's fair. But it's just a remedy, not a cure, and it's not even true sharing. It's unclean hands.

Well, we are still right there with it not being an inherent trait. A child has to be instructed on not taking things too. It is not something he instinctively understands and often might take repeated attempts to cure him of it. The same goes with the sharing, People do not generally develop altruism within themselves until later in life when it is instilled by some experience or learning. Of course empathy does show signs earlier in life if the child is able to relate to someone but that only shows an instinctual disposition for family.

In some ways, unfortunately, this seems to be the case. I see more cases of people feeling entitled to anything they can get than, say, 20 years ago.
When a BBS closed or became subscription only, people would sigh and move on. If a web site closes or becomes subscription only, people will send hate mail because they're deprived of something they felt entitled to.
Yes, I would call this greed.

It is likely just an outlet allowing you to see the qualities in people as apposed to a cause of them. Greed is essential for evolutionary survival, It is the instinct we worked from to secure ample food and whatever else is needed. In cave man times, you could probably imagine someone thinking "ugg.. he got big club. Big club good for hunting. Me come over from behind and hit him with little club, take big club". The only thing different from then and now might be the need to take things by force but it seems that this trait survived quite well in a lot of people.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660965)

Does this smack anyone else as really immature? It reminds me of siblings threatening to tell your parents about something. Or telling the teacher if someone is picking on you in school. Do they honestly think this is a worthy use of their police resources by having a thin skin and crying to the police about every random person that says something about them on the internet?

You must be new to the internet, there is a lot of people like that online.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (2)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#40660989)

Or telling the teacher if someone is picking on you in school.

I think it's even worse than that. These are people who you can likely easily avoid and don't have to deal with on a daily basis. People you've likely never even met. People who don't really know a thing about you (unless you publicize everything).

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661037)

(unless you publicize everything)

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Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661081)

It's a little more complicated then that. The government of the area actually planted this seed in their minds.

on this site, [tas.gov.au] under the heading Department of Education (DoE) Tasmania They place two sentences in the same paragraph that says

"This site presents information for school communities about the criminal offence of cyber bullying. Students should be informed that if they use technology in an inappropriate fashion then they could be committing a crime."

I have yet to find the actual site they are referring to, but it appears, at least from that site where they are reporting their efforts, that the Tasmanian police are suggesting the complaints should be made because cyber bullying could be criminal.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (2)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662151)

Or telling the teacher if someone is picking on you in school.

If someone is picking on you in school, you should tell the administration, and the administration should be legally required to investigate and reprimand the bullying student. The first offense should be suspension, and the second offense should be expulsion.

Our schools have turned into war zones rather than places of basic education (and no, having to deal with bullies is not a valid form of education), partly because we don't get rid of bullies.

Re:I'm Telling Dad! (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662391)

Why would you think they would get rid of the bullies after being told on?

The school gets paid for you to be there, they get paid by headcount. Learning and being happy are not priorities.

They need the bullies to show up to get paid.

Tasmanian Cops Decline To "Censor Internet" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40660871)

That's good news.

Either Tasmanians are real assholes ... (1)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661023)

or it's just one or two really busy ones.

Correct me if I'm wrong ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661071)

But isn't the purpose of the police to respond in cases of immediate danger or to investigate criminal offences? Harassment, of this sort, seems like it should be a civil offence. Lawyers may get involved, but police rarely should be.

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Actual Tasmanian here, giving you some context... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661263)

Without being to specific, I can give you some context here as an actual Tasmanian.

Right now Tasmania's police force is being forced to make such strict budget cuts. The budgets are so razor-thin that some outer-metropolitan police stations are having their staffed hours cut back to 10am-4pm on weekdays.

Beyond that, anyone with a finger on the pulse of the Tasmanian community will tell you that while there is a great deal of respect for the job our Police do, there is a broad lack of community confidence in our state court system. As an all-to-common example, last month someone received a wholely-suspended sentence for ripping the heads off of two kittens in front of their owners. No I'm not making this up.

When you look at these in context and take a step back, it's pretty obvious that all Tasmanian Police are saying is that they don't have either the resources or the legal power to do anything about online harassment. Unless an actual violent crime linked to online threats take place there's nothing material that they can do anyway, so people are far better off taking their complaints further up the chain to someone empowered to actually do something about it.

Bloody mountains from molehills...

Re:Actual Tasmanian here, giving you some context. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661395)

last month someone received a wholely-suspended sentence for ripping the heads off of two kittens in front of their owners.

To be fair.....
Maybe they got utterly pissed off with some fuckers furball continually leaving turds in their garden and kiddies sandpit.

Keep your livestock under control, and things like this wont happen. I speak from experience.

Re:Actual Tasmanian here, giving you some context. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662531)

Tp be fair...you're pretty fucked in the head. What part of "ripping the heads off two kittens" don't you understand. Not poisoned, shot, or electrocuted. Heads ripped from body. Two of them!

Re:Actual Tasmanian here, giving you some context. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663413)


Spot the bloody cat lover!

word (2, Informative)

tryptogryphic (1985608) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661285)

I have a really big problem with this term 'cyber-bullying'.

They are words on a screen. If you can't deal with words on a screen, if they crush your life, then the real world is going to eat you alive, and the evolutionary process will shit you right out the other end and use you as intellectual fertilizer.

Publishing Is a Police Matter (0)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 2 years ago | (#40661599)

Of course "the use of technology to undertake some conduct does not in itself create an offense." But publishing always requires technology. That's why there's a difference between slander and libel: the harm is different when technology (the "press") is used to lie in public.

Of course, the main harm is not the technology, but the publishing, by whatever means. Some publishing does more and different harm than others. But when people do harm by doing it in public, that's a police matter. Police are required to protect the public, especially in public.

The police are just lazy, fearful and stupid. They want to fight crime they can brag about in the locker room, not "just talk about". But that's why proper police forces don't get to choose what to police. The public executive in their jurisdiction, like governor, mayor or county commissioner, follows laws set by the legislature to command the police do their job. Otherwise they'd do nothing but bust donuts and teenage potheads.

Re:Publishing Is a Police Matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661649)

"that's why there's a difference between slander and libel" I live is a country where there is no difference, speech and publication are both defamation, but that aside, both liable and slander are CIVIL matters which means that police can only enforce the decisioning of a court. What the police can act upon are threats of violence or racial/sexual hate, or other such matters generally classed in the UK as a breach of the peace - as .au is derived from the English legal system I assume that their system is similar.

Calling someone an idiot != criminal, so no police
Saying you're going to stab someone in the face because they're and idiot == criminal behaviour, and therefore gets a swift beating in the back of a black maria.

Re:Publishing Is a Police Matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40661799)

You are an idiot. And != an. Liable != libel. Your head != coherent thought.

Re:Publishing Is a Police Matter (2)

jittles (1613415) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662015)

Police are required to protect the public, especially in public.

I'm afraid you are mistaken on that one. The police are not required to protect anyone, and you had better not rely on them in a dangerous situation. At least, in the US the Supreme Court [nytimes.com] says that the police don't have to protect anything! Maybe it is different in other countries.

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really? (1, Offtopic)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662587)

Tasmania's police force has taken the unusual step of ...

Wait, Tasmania's a real place?

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