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Order Limit On Raspberry Pi Lifted

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the I'll-take-a-bag-full dept.

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hypnosec writes "Raspberry Pi, the small $35 ARM-based computer system capable of running Linux that took the world of technology by storm just a few months back, has its order limit shackles removed as it has been revealed that manufacturers are now producing 4000 units per day. The Raspberry Pi Foundation, the non-profit organization behind the tiny computer, has said that RS Components and element14/Premier Farnell have started producing enough units to allow them to scrap the order limit on Raspberry Pi. In a blog post, the foundation made the announcement. Initially the limit of one unit per customer was placed in the light of limited stocks. Despite these limits, there was always a shortage and people had to wait for long time to get their hands on one of these credit card sized computers."

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Could someone please explain to me (-1, Troll)

Mike Wag (2683017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662175)

Why would you use tiny one-board computer when full computers aren't that expensive and, for that matter, the price probably isn't issue. You can get much better devices that way.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662185)

If you are making an embeded system such as a robot, house control system, etc. this will be cheaper than buying a full computer.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (-1)

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Re:Could someone please explain to me (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662509)

It does seem more expensive than, e.g. repurposing an otherwise obsolete smartphone, though. E.g. I have an HTC Dream that's got specs on par with a Raspberry Pi and it's just sitting there, unused, since now I have a much more powerful phone.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (2)

jehan60188 (2535020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662609)

I think part of the issue is popularity. If lots of people are using this platform, then someone who is not as creative/innovative as others can still find solutions to his/her problems. While using a phone is clever, and cost effective, I wouldn't be able to figure it out. But, I know a few different programming languages, and I am comfortable in a linux environment, so the Raspberry Pi seems more up my alley.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (5, Informative)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662727)

It is more flexible than the old phone option though, especially for those of use who don't have one lying around.

* I'll run "full" Linux (or ?BSD) rather than Android being the only option (and not even the latest Android no doubt)
* Wired network access is possible
* A "proper" keyboard & mouse can be attached (I'm assuming the phone doesn't have a host-capable USB port)
* Other USB connected devices too for that matter
* Easy access to I/O channels for connecting non-USB things (such as motors and other custom electronics)

Of course if you have the phone hanging around you could try repurpose it, it would probably be a fun project if you are that way inclined, but I suspect the extra hassle would eat any saving from not buying a Pi or equivalent. A quick scan on eBay.co.uk suggests that you would be better off selling the old phone and putting the proceeds towards something like a Pi.

You are right that the phone does have some advantages over the Pi though (built in screen, built-in keyboard (IIRC the Dream was a slide keyboard unit?), neat little case, almost certainly smaller than a Pi+case, ...) depending on what you are wanting it to do.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (2)

jehan60188 (2535020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662961)

It is more flexible than the old phone option though, especially for those of use who don't have one lying around. ... * Easy access to I/O channels for connecting non-USB things (such as motors and other custom electronics)

That's the part that interests me the most! I'm studying mechanical engineering, and I've always seen I/Cs as just a way to control where/when electricity is delivered. I like the arduino for this reason- I can access pins without having to learn a new programming language, or do any sort of memory management. I really see the R-Pi as a more powerful arduino (unfortunately, it's more expensive- with the arduino, I can take out the atmega328 chip, add a few components on to a perf board, and make my project permanent for under $10. that's not really an option with the R-Pi)

you fail it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662187)

lame attempt 1/10 you fail at trolling

Re:Could someone please explain to me (1)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662197)

you gave one of the answers, size!

Re:Could someone please explain to me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662203)

Mike Wag

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Re:Could someone please explain to me (2, Interesting)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662223)

Low power, 35$ is cheaper than hundreds, and with this many features, you can use it in many places that you can't use a full sized pc.... like to play music from a solar powered messenger bag.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (1)

PGC (880972) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662241)

Why would you use tiny one-board computer when full computers aren't that expensive and, for that matter, the price probably isn't issue. You can get much better devices that way.

Your answer.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (3, Interesting)

nhstar (452291) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662255)

I was luck enough to get in on the first round of availabilty, and only had to wait 10 weeks to get it (only mostly sarcastic), and it's been a great unit. It's given me a platform to work on and learn far more about cross-compiling, working in a small(er) footprint, and generally programming in general.

Currently, I'm working to make it the core of a computer concept for my car. Will it be as good as stuff "off the shelf?" ~Really~ unlikely. Will it be a whole lotta fun getting it going? You betcha! And so far, I've only shelled out about US$45 for the Raspberry Pi and some wiring to get started on this project.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (5, Informative)

arikol (728226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662273)

Small, very cheap (proper computers are at least ten times as expensive), and can be run from a small pack of AA batteries.

If I need something that fits any of those criteria and doesn't require massive general computing power then the Pi is perfect.

Robotics, small distributed experiments, mucking around with programming, seeing what can be done, fitting a computer (almost) into an Altoids tin, low power.... I would say that at $35 this is pretty awesome. Heck, as it has the capability to decode HD video and has a USB port, WiFi, and a SD slot then it works fine as a main video computer, just connected to an old LCD. Great for the kids' room.

Oh yeah, and it's silent. Because of the low power it doesn't require fans.

So, small, cheap, silent, energy efficient..

Consider the issue explained

Piling on Some More Reasons (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662623)

Consider the issue explained

To go a little further, I'd like to remind everyone that it was developed and pitched as an educational tool in the UK [slashdot.org] with some big backers [slashdot.org] .

I now have five of these in my possession with one lent to a friend whose wife keeps him on a very short leash financially. And I had one arduino that was fun to tinker with but I'm more excited about these just because of the prospect of the numbers. Even if I never write one line of code that utilizes this board specifically, there are going to be hundreds of projects developed by hobbyists, teachers, students, etc that are going to target this particular chipset more than any other just based purely on the numbers game. And, I must admit jealously as an American, many UK students that take CS courses are going to come out of high school fully versed in this particular chipset with free time and college and on their hands to make exciting or entertaining projects with it. And the $25/$35 price point really enables that. I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience). And since I have five, one is hooked up to a USB drive with all my movies and music to my TV. Another is permanently attached to a monitor with a wireless keyboard and mouse. Another is simply on the network and I can SSH into it and run code on it.

Lastly I'd add that they are simple. Buy a $300 machine from Dell and watch something go bad on it at some point in time. There's not a lot to go bad on these devices but they haven't been around long enough to test their reliability of MTTF in the wild. So I could eat my words on that point but so far they run like a champ for me with no defects.

Frankly put, the pervasive nature of this product is going to make any code you write for it consumable by many people -- the demand is so high one can only speculate on how high that number will become. I'm definitely sending some of these to my younger cousins that have shown an interest in computer science and I hope the schools in the US make an effort to leverage these devices.

Re:Piling on Some More Reasons (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662839)

"I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience)." ..why? isn't an arduino mega obtainable shipped to your house overnight(or in two) for the base price of pi?

in couple of years there's going to be plenty of similar offerings on the market. right now you can buy about similarly specced android boxes for 80-100 bucks or so if you order from china(that come with psu, remote controller etc).

Re:Piling on Some More Reasons (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662979)

"I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience)." ..why? isn't an arduino mega obtainable shipped to your house overnight(or in two) for the base price of pi?

in couple of years there's going to be plenty of similar offerings on the market. right now you can buy about similarly specced android boxes for 80-100 bucks or so if you order from china(that come with psu, remote controller etc).

I paid over twice as much for my Arduino Mega 2560 but the real kick in the pants is all the peripherals I had to buy to get comparable functionality like, say, an SD slot.

Re:Piling on Some More Reasons (3, Interesting)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663043)

Actually.... overall I prefer the aduino. The price on these is great for what you get but, as an educational/devel platform.... the issues with broadcom that are evident int he FAQ make this very unattractive.

The arduino is, at its heart, just a breakout for the atmega with a nice boot loader pre-burned. I can work up a design, then if I want to go into some manner of production and make alot...I can incorperate the atmega directly into my design, and go from a $30 part "development platform" to a $3 part with a few bits of support (crystal, voltage regulator...)

I can't do that with pi. I am stuck with a pi. I can develop on a pi but then, every time I want to replicate the design, its another pi.

Its great for what it is, and it may lead to the development of more fully open platforms but, for what I am looking at, I see little advantage over just getting a linux capable wifi router and starting from there. In fact, the wifi itself makes it even better.

But overall, for what I need, I also don't need much more than an atmega.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (3, Insightful)

skuzzbag (2670765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662281)

Because the price *is* an issue.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (2)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662559)

Why would you use tiny one-board computer when full computers aren't that expensive and, for that matter, the price probably isn't issue. You can get much better devices that way.

I think people are too often thinking Raspberry Pi as a mini-sized desktop computer, while it mainly targets simple programming and a basis for various embedded projects. R-Pi more like a really powerful Arduino. It's painful to read stories about people trying to cram some full-fledged linux distro into it.

But yes, if you really want a general-purpose mini desktop machine with lots of bang for the buck, I recommend getting a used netbook and forgetting R-Pi.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662565)

full computers aren't that expensive

O'rly? Show me a "full" new computer under 50$ running Linux with GUI.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (5, Informative)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662683)

First, there is inexpensive, and then there is lunch-money inexpensive. Once you get to the price of a couple $20 bills, it becomes an impulse buy, no need to budget it.
Second, size / heat / power draw are big issues (no fan).
Third, unlike many other ARM-based devices, this one boots directly off the SD card. So it makes it much harder to "brick" than, say, re-purposing a home router with a Linux distro. And, most of the other similar type devices don't have video / audio out, so they are only suitable for network use or as an embedded controller.

As for what projects I'm using this for:
1) Simple NAS type device to dump backups to -- I have a network based backup daemon running on it with a restricted protocol, which makes it very resilient to being attacked by malware on other boxes that I'm backing up.
2) My parents have an LCD TV in their kitchen -- I am planning on hooking one of these up so they can use it as a kitchen computer (wireless keyboard, look up recipes, play card games, etc).
3) Also, I can give one to my Dad to hook up as a spare computer, that would allow him to click on anything without getting into trouble (one of his friends is always forwarding stuff, some of which may link back to a drive-by download site).

Re:Could someone please explain to me (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662703)

You asshole, not everyone is making that $15+/hr that you are and as such, have expenses that trump a "full computer." For many people, dollars count and you DON'T need a 6-core beast to browse the web.

Get off your high horse, elitist prick.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (3, Insightful)

slim (1652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662919)

They are intended for teaching hacking.

$500 school computer: "Right kids, it's 3 to a keyboard for the duration of a lesson. You can sign up for access during after-school club. Don't break anything because the next lesson needs the computers too. We won't have the PC lab next week because Mr Jones' class wants to take a turn.

$500 home computer: "Don't break it, Mummy wants to use Facebook after you've gone to bed"

$25 board: The PTA has signed up a sponsor so every pupil gets their own.

Also the Pi is designed for really simple recovery. Flash a new SD card and start again with a clean slate.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (1)

bugs2squash (1132591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663205)

Before you run too far with this, most kids will need more than $25 to get started. A monitor, keyboard etc. or a separate PC to ssh from. It all adds up.

Re:Could someone please explain to me (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662985)

It is a good learning tool. You probably don't want to disable your regular computer while experimenting w/ it, but w/ this, you can experiment to your heart's content w/o disrupting the computing needs of both yourself and others - such as web browsing, e-mail, printing documents and so on.

Still waiting... (4, Interesting)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662231)

I ordered mine a while ago. Credit card was charged about 3 weeks ago. Still waiting on shipping information. :-(

Not that I'm upset. It's obviously a toy computer for me. But it's Summer, and I want to play with my toy!

(Planning on hooking up a couple external USB hard drives and using it as a low power NAS.)

Re:Still waiting... (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662249)

Not only have I not ordered, but I haven't got an email saying that I can order. Maybe they should get through the back log before they start permitting people to try to order multiples...

Re:Still waiting... (3, Informative)

bigtomrodney (993427) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662555)

If you ordered from RS, check your spam folder. They send their emails from odd domains in their control...for example their website is rswww.$TLD. However your email might be from sales@$TLD.radionics.com and within the email say it's coming from rsonline.

Basically although they're a fantastic company to deal with they really do not have their head around managing their domains and are harming themselves by unintentionally sending a few spam triggers.

Re:Still waiting... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662663)

Thanks for the heads-up, but there's nothing applicable there.

It sure would be nice if the R-Pi foundation could have found some competent resellers to do business with somewhere in the world.

It would also be nice if shipping didn't cost more than I can get an Arduino bought and shipped for. That's not about competence, that's about greed on the part of the resellers they chose to work with.

Re:Still waiting... (1)

spacepimp (664856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662905)

When did you sign up? I did about three weeks ago. My email that allowed me to order came through today. I placed an order and sadly it said about 11 weeks to shipping. I can't imagine how backlogged it will be when they get larger orders coming through.

Re:Still waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662291)

Who did you order this through?

Re:Still waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662389)

I waited exactly 6 weeks, ordered via RS components.
Know you need to separately power the hard-discs, as it has just enough power for a mouse and a keyboard.

Re:Still waiting... (1)

jcgam69 (994690) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662517)

Works great as a NAS but be aware that the best bandwidth you can get is 1 MB/s

Re:Still waiting... (3, Interesting)

GiMP (10923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663245)

The RaspberryPi actually seems to max at about 2MB/s per my tests at a 1500MTU, and over 4.4MB/s at 1492MTU.

Many protocols such as SSH have high overhead, but a low-overhead protocol can expect these numbers.

ETA: 11 weeks (1)

mrops (927562) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662635)

"Dispatch expected in 11 weeks"

That's what the raspberry pi website says.

Re:Still waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662781)

there is only one usb host port. so the ethernet port connected to a usb-to-ethernet + 2port hub circuit. so with 2 hubs, i think you won't saturate the 100 mbps. i think you can use it for scripting, though.

automated podcast retrieval, home automation, sensor storage, etc. lots of interesting ideas. however your average router with usb port could possibly outperform this board.

Re:Still waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663023)

(Planning on hooking up a couple external USB hard drives and using it as a low power NAS.)

these would be a better NAS

http://www.colorapples.com/standalone-bittorrent-bt-client-upnp-usbnasftpsambaprinter-sharing-network-lan-server-p-165299.html
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/standalone-bittorrent-bt-client-usb-nas-ftp-samba-printer-upnp-sharing-network-lan-server-26320

and the second one can be firmware'd with http://code.google.com/p/snake-os/ for your tinkering itch

I wonder (5, Funny)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662251)

I wonder if they called the cap on raspberry orders... wait for it... the raspberry beret.

Re:I wonder (3, Insightful)

nhstar (452291) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662269)

*dramatic groan* (since I have no mod points) =)

Re:I wonder (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662583)

Now it can be the "the little computer formerly limited to one order."

Current Orders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662293)

so does this mean that current orders will get filled more quickly? I've ordered mine, but I'm still waiting for the shipping/processing phase to commence.

Re:Current Orders (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662527)

The order site still says 12 weeks delivery time. Obviously the manufacturing ramp up is not keeping up with orders. Maybe removing the order limit is still a bad idea. Maybe just raising it to a few (schools can order more) would be better.

4000 units per day, 4 bazillion /. users ordering (4, Funny)

jpvlsmv (583001) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662297)

Dangit, couldn't you have waited to post the slashdot article until I had ordered mine?

--Joe

Re:4000 units per day, 4 bazillion /. users orderi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662417)

Taken from an email sent to me from Allied Electronics on July 10th. (I placed an order through them on July 3rd for 1 model b pi unit...)

Hello John,
Thank you for your recent Raspberry Pi order.

We know you've been waiting patiently to get your hands on your Raspberry Pi. They are being manufactured as quickly as possible, but the demand is huge, so the estimated delivery is about 12 weeks from when you placed your order.

We've received a lot of questions about this and wanted to make sure you know what to expect. Please note that we won't charge your card until the order has shipped, at which time it will be processed and you will receive a shipment notification.

If you have any questions or need assistance, please give us a call at (866) 433-5722.

Thank you!
Allied Electronics

My card has not been charged yet...

Initially the limit of one unit per customer was placed in the light of limited stocks

-- well given the demand, limited stocks will continue :)

Ordered one, still waiting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662305)

Ordered one, still waiting for it, but I know it's going to be worth it. At this price, size, and with the power requirements it has, I plan on turning mine into a local "network" server (DHCP, DNS, Syslog, maybe VPN?)

Not sure how much load it can handle, we'll find out!

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Not a toy (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662323)

It is most certainly not a toy, I have two, one is my media server courtesy of raspbmc, the other will be the file server for my business. not only are they cheap, but their power requirements are tiny, being fanless they are silent useful for at HTPC.

Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (3, Interesting)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662333)

Remember how the OLPC "inspired" Asus to bring out the EeePC and thus started the NetBook revolution (subsequently nipped by the iPad)? The EeePC being the beefier machine, even if the specs were underwhelming to the power user, Asus managed to steal the thunder and the sales away from the OLPC. Will the Raspberry Pi inspire a similar revolution in ultra-small form factor motherboards? I know my next motherboard won't be larger than mini-ITX, but I would be willing to shell a few extra bucks to have a full-powered, if not full-featured, desktop computer no larger than a consumer router.

Already here? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662413)

I just saw something that fits the small Android PC slot perfectly:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/minix-tv-box-h24.html
Its an Android PC designed for TVs, but maybe ideal for my small PC needs, already can run Ubuntu, but I want it for Android.

Or perhaps these will start appearing in boxes:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/worlds-first-tegra-3-mini-itx.html
Mini format PC style motherboard, with PC spec, but Quad core Arm, running Android, supports up to 3 screens, HDMI, cheap.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662423)

It already has...

e.g.
odroid-x (more powerful than RPi, more features, but 4x cost).
Cotton Candy (kinda different target market, and more expensive).
Via APC
etc etc

Not yet seen one in the same prive bracket (I think the next cheapest similar device I've seen was around $70-80).

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662673)

VIA APC has the same problem as R-Pi, but even moreso. VIA wants a fucking mint to ship it. Why is it that Dealextreme can send me a tablet from China for free but VIA needs thirty bucks? Is it just because of the stupidly gigantic shipping box?

MiniX looks like the hotness right now for the price point, but it would be nice to have more RAM.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662429)

you mean like a mac mini?
/ducks

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662471)

VIA have already promoted the APC [ http://www.apc.io/ [www.apc.io] ] which was open for preorder and is now closed / sold-out. Although most of these devices, being simply bare boards, are completely unsuitable for domestic use and even more unsuitable for classroom use they might just make developers take the ARM / Linux platform seriously. I would hope that will be the takeaway from this whole initiative: that there's more to computing than PCs - oh, yeah, and apples too.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663029)

I checked the link you provided. Nice nano motherboard, along with a puzzling photo of the younger Jobs and Gates together and the following blurb!

A Bicycle For Your Mind

Like Jobs and Gates, we believe the PC is one of the most remarkable tools humans have ever created. Great tools improve with time. They don't go away

Puzzling because the system is built to run a customized version's of Google's Linux-based Android OS. Maybe they should have included a photo of Torvalds or the Google dynamic duo?

Besides, isn't Apple more like a Rolls Royce for the mind, and Microsoft, more like a train, crowded and perhaps dangerous at times, but gets you to work?

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662521)

One of the big pushes by vendors have been the HTPC segment. By the time you actually get a working rPi, with case and power supply, you've already matched prices with many of the Allwinner A10 based solutions. Not to mention, NO ONE gets an rPi for $35. Turns out $35 actually translates into $55 + $10 power + $15 case, for a total of roughly $85. You can get a superior solution for up to $20 less than that, delivered. On top of that, the A10 solutions frequently have real SATA, builtin in WIFI, a faster CPU (up to a hair more than twice as fast), more RAM (sometimes 4x as much), is very hackable (like the rPi), and sports GPIOs (including TWI, SPI, I2C). In addition to that, many are coming with multimedia remotes (bluetooth, ir, and even 802.11[bgn]). Plus, they come with Android 2.x and/or 4.x and usually hackable with various Linux distributions. Not that I'm an Android fan in this space, but it does open the door for far more possibilities [slashdot.org] . Plus, these usually have hardware floating point support. Not to mention, many of the devices sport the Mali 400 GPU, which it itself one upped the rPi.

In short, it looks like rPI did create a wave of newer devices and equipment and the current generation of what's available is already a better buy than an rPi for most people.

The sad thing is, it looks like rPi so poorly handled the release of a new class of device, they've already lost the market to emerging competition.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662899)

Do you know where one can buy an A10 board? There are plenty of devices using it, but is there a board (it's ok to include case) available?

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663045)

I have no relationship with any of these. I'm specifically pointing this one out because many others in this form factor supposedly are lacking ESD protection on the HDVI port. As such, this one [ovalelephant.com] specifcally addresses that complaint.

You can also buy a variety of devices from dealextreme. Such as mele a1000 [dx.com] and the mele a2000 [dx.com] . Here's a hint, they have EXACTLY the same hardware on the inside. They just have a different case and the internal flash has been partitioned differently (2GB vs 4GB). The DX buys are not the cheapest to be found either. You can also buy from AliExpress [aliexpress.com] . There also also a variety of other makes, models, and form factors. I've even seen bare boards. You just need to spend some time reading and googling.

As you can see, there isno point in waiting around for an rPi anymore.

Good luck.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662977)

I thought it was USB powered? I have, literally, a half dozen usb power supplies laying about.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663093)

Can I run Debian on the A10? With hardware floating point? Are binary blobs required? This is what is really needed to beat the RPi. I don't need more CPU or RAM or SATA, I need plain vanilla Debian and full use of the hardware.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663167)

I've seen ubuntu and puppy linux images. I'm sure there are others.

Allwinner has been really good about releasing full kernel sources, which includes tons of device drivers. The Mali 400 GPU is also well documented and there is at least one library available to directly access this.

As far as I know, no binary blobs are required. Having said that, I do not believe the entire SoC has been completely opened. Just the same, I believe it to be fairly comparable, if not in a better light, than the rPi. Please verify my later statement and decide for yourself.

Please keep in mind, I'm parroting much here as I'm waiting for my hardware to arrive.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663237)

If you want hardware accelerated graphics on an ARM SOC, you can practically forget anything resembling modern performance and Free drivers. Even the AOSP blessed Android Nexus devices require blobs. Add doors the Panda board, the Raspberry Pi, the Nokia N900, etc. If you find anything, let me know as I'd love to find a truly Free arm board.

Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662885)

I don't really need a smaller motherboard, I'm only going to buy a medium size tower case anyway.

What else will I use as a combined leg rest and heater in the winter under the desk otherwise?

I just want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662365)

how to OC it....

Meanwhile, in reality... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662367)

that took the world of technology by storm

Meanwhile, most people have no idea what this is, and the summary is in some odd fantasy world.

$35 or $25 (2)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662411)

The article summary says $35, but http://www.raspberrypi.org/ [raspberrypi.org] states $25. Which is accurate? Is there more than one model?

Re:$35 or $25 (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662447)

Never mind, I found it here http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs [raspberrypi.org]

How much will it cost?

The Model A will cost $25 and the Model B $35, plus local taxes.

Re:$35 or $25 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662611)

And shipping on both, for most of the world, will cost you roughly $20. So delivered, you're really talking about a $45 and $55 dollar mother board which requires a $10+ power supply and a $15-$25 case (making it a $70 computer, at best). If you look around, you won't have any trouble finding a $60-$100 solution, delivered, which has more RAM, faster CPU, builtin WIFI and/or ethernet, REAL SATA, and a superior GPU, which also does 1080P (or better).

The rPI is already obsolete by available competition.

If you shop hard, you can find an A10 base solution (Mele A1000/A2000), plus remote, plus keyboard/air mouse, plus USB debugging interface, for $125 delivered to you door. And given the 3-month delivered window for rPI, you'll have your superior solution in 1/3 of the time (or even days if you don't mind paying international fedex for faster delivery).

Re:$35 or $25 (1)

Fosterocalypse (2650263) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662453)

there's 2 models an A and B. I think one had a ethernet port and 2x the ram as its counterpart

Re:$35 or $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662469)

That might be a typo - it should be roughly £25 inc tax, which isn't far from $35 before tax.

Re:$35 or $25 (4, Informative)

FrangoAssado (561740) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662479)

Check the FAQ [raspberrypi.org] :

The Model A will cost $25 and the Model B $35, plus local taxes.

and

Model A has been redesigned to have 256Mb RAM, one USB port and no Ethernet (network connection). Model B has 256Mb RAM, 2 USB port and an Ethernet port.

Re:$35 or $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662497)

yes, there is model A and B (like the bbc micro). B has ethernet (originally A had less RAM, but then they updated the specs). Currently only Bs are available. I tihnk As are more targeted at schools.

Re:$35 or $25 (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662629)

There are two models, the A (which hasn't been released yet) has a nominal price of $25 while the B has a nominal price of $35.

However those nominal prices do not include shipping, tax or handling (the first two are understandable but the third seems a little slimy to me). The real all-in price here in the UK seems to be about £30.

Re:$35 or $25 (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662715)

The article summary says $35, but http://www.raspberrypi.org/ [raspberrypi.org] states $25. Which is accurate?

its more like $45 and 10 week waiting time in reality.

Re:$35 or $25 (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662823)

They have to variants (model A and model B). The cheaper one was originally going to have 128Mb RAM (it will now have the same 256Mb). It will be missing a USB port (it will have one rather than two) and won't have any built-in networking (the model B has a 10/100 wired NIC). The Model A is not yet available at all though, so quoting the Pi as being a $25 machine is a little misleading for the time being.

FAQ Page link (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662433)

Here's the FAQ page link http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs [raspberrypi.org] Pic is here, looks cool! Arstechnica has an article about a Korean made, $129 Arm device http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/korean-company-offers-3-5-inch-quad-core-arm-linux-computer-for-129/?comments=1#comments-bar [arstechnica.com]

Anybody in the US got one yet? (1)

Fosterocalypse (2650263) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662487)

I signed up to be notified when they first went up for sale but they weren't selling them to people in the US yet....has anyone in the US got one or have one on the way?

Re:Anybody in the US got one yet? (1)

Fosterocalypse (2650263) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662515)

Never mind they have changed it and now have a link for US buyers....I haven't checked in a while.

Re:Anybody in the US got one yet? (2)

joelwhitehouse (2571813) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662523)

This site shows the locations of several Raspberry Pi owners; look like there are plenty in the US.
http://rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/ [ryanteck.org.uk]

Re:Anybody in the US got one yet? (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662553)

US is via Allied [alliedelec.com] .

Re:Anybody in the US got one yet? (1)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662589)

I actually had gotten to an order page a while ago, this was way after the initial rush. Placed the order (Element 14) in April, and just got it last Friday. I also got an invitation to order it from RS about a couple weeks ago.

I'm holding out until it comes in a case. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662525)

Yeah, I know there are some custom cases out there but they cost just as much as the Pi itself.

Re:I'm holding out until it comes in a case. (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662627)

When I got my order invitation a few weeks ago, they offered plastic cases of various colors with the RPi. I ordered a clear case.

Where can I buy one? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662643)

Can someone please tell me how I can get one of these?

Re:Where can I buy one? (1)

Elisanre (1108341) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662767)

It's called Google mate, try it :) or the second link in the text which have links to both companies

Re:Where can I buy one? (1)

jehan60188 (2535020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662785)

Re:Where can I buy one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662843)

You did it wrong.

Speaking of RaspberryPi... NetBSD support (3, Interesting)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662677)

Since we're on the subject -- NetBSD is being ported to the RaspberryPi, despite all the roadblocks in place to do so. (RPi is not an open platform) It is booting to multiuser in test code. See hubertf's post [feyrer.de] on the subject. I intend to help test as soon as my unit arrives.

Re:Speaking of RaspberryPi... NetBSD support (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40662739)

Hmm... has Netcraft confirmed it?

Today.. (0)

heezer7 (708308) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662797)

After all that waiting mine is getting delivered today.

I want but... (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662935)

You know I want one. I want to support their non-profit, and its a cool thing but... and there is a big but....

I just bought a few TP-Links. There is one you can get (wr700n) for about $15-25 (have to look around), can run Openwrt. With Ethernet, USB host, and Wifi, powered from a miniUSB.... is pretty damned close to a rasberry pi for a few bucks less...and its tiny.

Re:I want but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663105)

I have a WR700N myself - it does *not* support OpenWRT. 2MB Flash means it's not possible.

Re:I want but... (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663147)

it looks like you are right... I know one of the TPLinks does support it, and has those features in about that price range.

Re:I want but... (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663207)

Sigh...I am glad that you posted this. I did a bit more digging, its the wr703n that I was thinking of, which is highly unfortunate, since I got the wr700n from my amazon order. Oops. Thats more than a bit dissapointing.

So... (1)

Iniamyen (2440798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40662943)

If they are now so available, why does it still show a 12 week lead time and no availability when I go to order one? I'd like to give them money, I really would.

Availability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663081)

Availability: Big fat ZERO (North America)

Re:Availability (1)

ultranerdz (1718606) | more than 2 years ago | (#40663277)

RS does not even answer my emails.

Stop that already please! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40663213)

Do /. editors ger paid to submit a story about the RPI twice a week?

We "never" hear about the beaglebone, beagleboard, pandaboard, openmolko, etc. ("never" = once every 2 years or so)

What is so special about this board? Its an old crappy CPU from an unsupported vendor. Slow as a turtle and with very little memory.

They also made lots of errors in the initial phase of hardware production, and they can't even keep up with the orders made 3 months ago.

Why in this world, the distributor "bumping" the production should be a 1st page story? Why in this world some idiots trying to send this shippy hardware to space should be 1st page history? Why in this world they want us to hear about this crap every week?

I guess nowadays the lack of technical knowledge can be compensated with the marketing plan.

Please stop posting about that, lets talk about something that *adds* value to technology, like using ARM Cortex A8, A9 or A15 and not just embrace the hype on a useless piece of hardware. Thank you.

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