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Modest Proposal For Stopping Hackers: Get Them Girlfriends

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the so-basically-you're-saying-a-lobotomy dept.

Crime 566

kierny writes "Hackers/crackers who get arrested are typically male and young adults — if not minors. Why is that? According to research by online psychology expert Grainne Kirwan, it's because the typical hacker 'ages out' once they get a girlfriend, job, kids, and other responsibilities that make it difficult to maintain their hacking/cracking/hacktivist lifecycle. Could that finding offer a way to help keep more young hacking enthusiasts out of jail?"

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obligatory reference (3, Funny)

leaen (987954) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675541)

I dated a robot

Wow (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675547)

This is as retarded as the last story. Timothy must be taking his stupid pills today.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

NerdmastaX (1749114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675571)

agreed.. if this continues i might as well go back to cnn.

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

Jobless Fellatio (2686337) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675611)

The story is completely true, tho.. Happened to me and many of my friends. Exactly as late teens, and then we got girlfriends.

Re:Wow (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675651)

That happened to me, then I left her and wound up with a girl who's willing to put up with my spending most of my free time in the basement cuddling with my server rack.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675765)

So you went back to your mom?

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675809)

No, he went back to your mom.

Re:Wow (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675725)

It seems to be a very slow news day. Isn't that when someone posts an inflammatory article about Obamacare, AGW or evolution?

Why doesn't Timothy go all the way and merge this with the next inevitable Raspberry Pi article?

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675947)

FLASH: Raspberry Pi Helps Keep At Risk Hacker Kids Off The Street And High On LIFE!

Re:Wow (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676051)

FLASH: Raspberry Pi Helps Keep At Risk Hacker Kids Off The Street And High On LIFE!

(Next Headline)

Budding project stopped in it's tracks when it is revealed that Apple patented the concept three weeks ago.

Re:Wow (3, Funny)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676053)

Raspberry Pi used to mine BitCoins to fight AGW

That's the next article I'm looking for.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40676007)

it is about creating debt, debt free allows for creativity. Stay away from debt!

The Girlfriend(tm) (4, Funny)

happy_place (632005) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675553)

The Girlfriend(tm) could solve a lot of problems young adolescent males have... someone should patent that...

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (2, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675671)

Solve problems? Ha! The Girlfriend (especially when upgraded to The Wife) creates tons MORE problems which is why males no longer have time for more fun activities like gaming and hacking. Too busy installing cabinets or working to pay off the bills.

So far I have yet to meet any happily married males (or females for that matter). Even the ones who CLAIM to be happy fill their conversations with backstabbing comments about their spouse. Who needs that?

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (2)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675789)

You haven't gotten around much, have you?

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (4, Insightful)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675835)

or..could you be attracting maladjusted people as friends?

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (4)

poity (465672) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675943)

you know what, that was needlessly rude of me. I take it back, sorry man. (I've been on /. too long)

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (3, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675995)

What? My fellow coworkers/engineers? They ALL tell me tales about the "stupid thing" their husbands or wives did last weekend or last month. They claim to be happily married, but certainly don't sound it.

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675899)

Solve problems? Ha! The Girlfriend (especially when upgraded to The Wife) creates tons MORE problems which is why males no longer have time for more fun activities like gaming and hacking. Too busy installing cabinets or working to pay off the bills.

So far I have yet to meet any happily married males (or females for that matter). Even the ones who CLAIM to be happy fill their conversations with backstabbing comments about their spouse. Who needs that?

Just because you are friends with all soon-to-be-divorced douchebags, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Life is full of problems. If you think the person playing video games or "hacking" all day and night has none, then holy shit are you delusional. The "married types" are just busy solving problems that to you seem uninteresting but in the context of civilization, are the only problems worth solving (how to maintain a sustainable family). Are you saying you think your parents should have kept to their problem-free lives and never procreated?

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676045)

>>> in the context of civilization, are the only problems worth solving (how to maintain a sustainable family).

Being nitpicky here: The UN says we don't need any more families. The globe is already about 6 billion too many. Their published plans claim "creating a sustainable family" is the root problem of our age/environmental decline.

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675927)

Wow, you keep really shitty company.

Re:The Girlfriend(tm) (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675971)

This is one of those 'a duh' articles.

There are studies that show when male:female populations skew where there are significantly more males than females, the level of crime committed by males begins to increase.

Agreed (5, Funny)

slazzy (864185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675563)

Probably the most effective idea yet. A girlfriend is a lot more fun than a computer, at that age anyway.

Re:Agreed (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675661)

maybe for a couple of minutes, an epic hack can last a decade or more.

Re:Agreed (5, Funny)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675811)

For a teenager, a couple of minutes is stretching it a bit.

Re:Agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675883)

But after a couple of minutes he is ready to go again and againa and again ...

Re:Agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40676043)

Well the hack might last a decade, but so could also fork() unless it returns -1. Which would be the desired outcome at that age. If errno is set to EAGAIN all is good.

Re:Agreed (5, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675701)

Taking care of peoples basic needs would stop a lot of bad behavior. Prostitution is negatively correlated with rape. Heroin maintenance programs reduce the damage caused by drug seeking addicts. A guaranteed basic income [spiegel.de] can dramatically reduce the problems associated with poverty.

Too bad our society cares more about appearing "tough on crime" than effective solutions to our problems.

Re:Agreed (0)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675863)

Not just tough on crime, but really against anything that would help anyone that isn't a "job creator".

Re:Agreed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675891)

Too bad raising taxes increases crime and poverty, and increasing inflation increases crime and poverty.

Too bad a guaranteed minimum income necessarily has one of those two results. And that a country like Namibia has such a screwed up government it's no wonder that just about any change could have a positive reaction at this point.

Re:Agreed (1, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675931)

The problem with having a basic income as in your link is that you're confusing 2 issues: the problems in the western world and the problems in the underdeveloped African world.

How many people in the western world could honestly say they don't make more than $13 a month? My guess is no one with the exception of children who are too young to have a job. How many people in the western world truly don't have a chance to go to school and learn basic skills. Of course not everyone can get into and afford Harvard, Yale and MIT, but elementary school? Of course they can (and do) go there.

In the US, you can get a "guaranteed" income when you are poor by having kids. As a result, you have many low income families with several kids that they can't really afford, but the more kids they have the more money mom has to spend on booze.

Re:Agreed (1)

ThorGod (456163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676031)

I agree! If you help diminish demand then alternate forms of supply will wither up.

I don't see how society could match people up, safely, though...maybe more places for people to meet that don't require money/sitting and being quiet?

Re:Agreed (2)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675739)

I don't agree with your thesis. I had a lot of fun with technology when I was a kid. Worse is the feeling I get that tells me Slashdot is one of the few "safe places" where I may actually get someone else to agree with me instead of just saying "hu hu hu sex is fun, let's make stupid jokes about it."

signed,
well adjusted 30-something male, job, kids, all the normal things.

Re:Agreed (2)

phorm (591458) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675801)

Indeed. Copular interactions are fun, but the frustration of trying to figure out the opposite (or in some cases same) sex, coupled with the pain of breakups, etc.

Computers were safer and more fun...

Re:Agreed (1)

Tyr07 (2300912) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675873)

Computers are always there for you if you take care of them.
Can't say the same for humans.

Re:Agreed (3, Funny)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675951)

Run a cutting edge distro of Linux and do a blind apt-get upgrade or similar every 28 days and they're about the same.

Re:Agreed (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675773)

Probably the most effective idea yet. A girlfriend is a lot more fun than a computer, at that age anyway.

Wait, hold on, that can't be right. Most of the l33t H@XxXxX0R d00DZ I've talked with brag constantly about the hundreds of girlfriends they have at any given minute. How could this possibly help any? I can't imagine they'd be lying to me; after all, they got me this cool free version of Windows 7!

Same with terrorists... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675565)

especially in areas where well-off males have claimed more than their fair share of women for their harems. Do you think any of the 9/11 bombers was married?

Re:Same with terrorists... (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675665)

Of course they were married. Why do you think they volunteered?

Re:Same with terrorists... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675749)

To get the 72 virgins, obviously.

If that is the only solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675567)

...we are surely doomed!

haha nice try (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675581)

we go to strip clubs and the girls want to deal with us cause they know we can protect there sites....
we already got girls man and better lookin ones then you.....
we got drugs if we want
we got booze
and best part is knowledge pays for it all....

so again for the 3rd time to day from hackers....
FUCK YOU

Re:haha nice try (1)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675627)

Apparently what they still don't got are good grammar.

Re:haha nice try (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675731)

From the look of that post you should probably lay off the drugs a bit.

Could this be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675583)

The ultimate honey pot?

Re:Could this be... (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675669)

Honey is fun, but Cool Whip is a less sticky alternative.

Bill Murray was so close... (2)

haydensdaddy (1719524) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675587)

"This guys a hacker, he's in New York, all we have to do is get him laid and we won't have any trouble!"

This is not a new idea... (3, Informative)

WMarkFelt (2673461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675593)

This approach has been used to rehabilitate terrorists as well. This idea is hardly new. http://bigthink.com/ideas/17036 [bigthink.com] "This is based on the belief that you’ve got to give these young men a stake in society and it’s been reasonably successful, although Al-Qaida is so cunning." It has some merit, but its an expensive and difficult process.

It's All Very Simple (2)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675617)

If someone is bothering you, you take their life away from them.

If someone who has no life is bothering you, you give them one so they have no time to bother you.

Online psychology expert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675629)

Or, rather, PhD student. Anyway, kind of heteronormative, no?

Logical conclusion: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675631)

Soooooo.... In order to promote social change, security awareness, technical excellence, and quicker adaptation to technological trends, we should advise our daughters to not settle down with anyone?
Isn't this a little sexist?

Re:Logical conclusion: (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675697)

This just in: Men and Women Are Different!
You can put a man and a woman in the same situation and will often get different results.

guess he author doesn't remember being that age... (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675635)

FTA "why not turn to older, more mature ex-hackers to educate younger hackers about the risks", because some one in that mindset is not going to listen to their elders.

Re:guess he author doesn't remember being that age (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675827)

Really? I listened to experienced hackers when I was young; younger hackers listen to me, if I am saying something interesting.

The real issue here is that we are assuming that hacking is a bad activity and that older hackers should be steering wayward youth toward the conservative, endorsed-by-corporations lifestyle.

What's up with the heteronormativity? (1)

howdoiturnthison (1936350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675653)

Not all hackers/crackers/hactivists etc. are heterosexual. Surprised that Mathew Schwartz didn't pick up on this, especially in this day and age.

Or legalize prostitution (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675677)

That's my takeaway from this.

Then again that's my takeaway from most discussions.

Re:Or legalize prostitution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675767)

Then when they take credit cards that the hackers steal all of a sudden you have a exponential problem.

Re:Or legalize prostitution (2)

Millennium (2451) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675797)

I don't think that would work.

That Significant Others tend to have a strong calming effect on a person and his or her lifestyle is well-known, and this proposal is really just another application of that. But the effect comes from having a strong, stable, intimate social connection and the resulting feelings of responsibility. People don't generally use prostitutes for social connection, and so legalization wouldn't have that effect.

Re:Or legalize prostitution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675853)

I don't think that would work.

That Significant Others tend to have a strong calming effect on a person and his or her lifestyle is well-known, and this proposal is really just another application of that. But the effect comes from having a strong, stable, intimate social connection and the resulting feelings of responsibility. People don't generally use prostitutes for social connection, and so legalization wouldn't have that effect.

Ever hear of the Girlfriend Experience? All upside, no downside, for a reasonable fee.

Re:Or legalize prostitution (2)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675915)

We're talking teen-agers here. Emotional connection is probably not as big a factor as looks. Subsidize their prostitutes and I guarantee the hacking will decline.

heh (1)

Titan1080 (1328519) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675679)

the name of the dept. for this article leads me to believe that the person that posted it ALSO does not have a girlfriend. poor guy, he should go outside.

Excuse me (3, Funny)

sa1lnr (669048) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675687)

A modest proposal?

Re:Excuse me (2)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675721)

Yeah you know, like eating babies.

Re:Excuse me (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675959)

This strikes me as fairly immodest, particularly if done outside in a cafe bistro on a Sunday morning while drinking a Mai Tai or whatever the young people drink for brunch these days.

Re:Excuse me (1)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675771)

A modest proposal?

If the reference passed you by, Google it.

I think CitiBank might have taught us otherwise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675689)

Remember that CitiBank identity theft commercial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGPBRXKuoMc

And Girls? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675713)

That's right... and when it comes to girl hackers, simply unstoppable :).

Re:And Girls? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675813)

That's right... and when it comes to girl hackers, simply unstoppable :).

Maybe girl hackers want girlfriends too... Sometimes there just aren't enough girls to go around...

But on a more serious note, if there was any truth in this, china and india are gonna be a serious problem in the near given their affinity for boy children...

HEY! Not cool. (3, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675723)

First, implying that this is only a problem for men is stupid. Women without responsibilities get into trouble too, often with consequences far beyond simple criminal mischief. Secondly, getting saddled with a relationshp does decrease the tendancy towards crime -- but then so does getting a car, a job, a house, etc. It'd be more accurate to say that criminals commit crime because they have less to lose.

That's a terribly obvious thing to say, and it also provides no insight into what to do to achieve it. Should we institute arranged marriages? A chicken in every pot, and a car in every garage? Should we force employers to hire people with a criminal record? Please, do tell. I'm all ears.

Re:HEY! Not cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675857)

In addition to the obvious glaring sexist offensiveness, this also bugs me because it ignores the fact that *gasp* not everyone is obsessed with having children, and I'm somewhat sick of the attitude that those who choose not to have children (or not to have children *yet*) are somehow "incomplete" people.

A far better solution that encompasses the only non-idiotic point in this article, is to provide other options for those with the skills to apply themselves to -- it's a lot easier to break into someone else's shit than build a secure system, and a lot easier to destroy than to build. Get them into building worthwhile things younger, building useful infrastructure (or worthless dime-a-dozen startups even; occasionally one takes off). Get them into research to design the next generation of computing or perfect current technology.

Oh wait, we already do this, and we're getting better at it every day. Article is offensive vapor.

Re:HEY! Not cool. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675869)

Well a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage would be a good start. We can easily get people the jobs they need by changing tax policy so that coporations (yes corporate tax) are incented to hire people instead of siphoning obscene amounts of money out to the officers and directors.

Re:HEY! Not cool. (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676033)

It'd be more accurate to say that criminals commit crime because they have less to lose.

Except the biggest criminals are the wealthiest. I did the math a while back, and the wealth lost in the 2008 financial crisis exceeds that of *all property crime put together by several orders of magnitude*.

If you are concerned about crime, focus at the top. Politicians and CEOs do far more harm to this country than drug addicts and gang bangers.

Same goes for Muslim terrorists (1)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675733)

Conservative Islam is really hung up on the old sex thing: and it bleeds over heavily into the whole jihad youth thing we see with Al Qaeda, and Muslim inner-city troublemakers.

The Saudis accidentally stumbled across the solution: get them a root. Wife, kids, a job, responsibilities -- it's amazing how regular sex will tame the most savage beast.

Re:Same goes for Muslim terrorists (1)

Antipater (2053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675893)

"It's lack of pussy that fucks countries up. Lack of pussy is the root fucking cause of all global instability. If more hajjis were getting quality pussy, there'd be no reason for us to come over here and fuck them up like this. 'cause a nut-busted hajji is a happy hajji." - Ray Person, Generation Kill

Discouraging/dumb title (2, Insightful)

gnujoshua (540710) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675735)

If we want more female hackers in the future, then we shouldn't present our ideas in a way that makes it seem like we assume all hackers in the future will be male. Also, I know a lot of openly gay hackers, so I find the title of the article dumb for that reason as well.

Re:Discouraging/dumb title (1, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676021)

Also, I know a lot of openly gay hackers, so I find the title of the article dumb for that reason as well.

Yeah. Hi. The only reason I've stayed on with IT is because I am gay. Going into science and technology fields has the same effect on society's perception of a woman's femininity as going into fashion design does for men. Imagine Chuck Norris in fashion design. It hurts, doesn't it? Most of us women in IT go to some lengths to avoid disclosing it in casual gatherings. It's often the "great reveal" in a relationship... Most men are intimidated by smart women, and so most women who are smart try to conceal it.

Good luck... (3, Insightful)

nighthawk243 (2557486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675737)

You know how hard it is to find a girl who likes guys who are overweight, work on computers, have an affinity for Cheetos, Mountain Dew, and avoiding showers?

This can also make things worse (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675743)

They can be great for curbing bad behavior, assuming that the girl herself isn't a delinquent that just exacerbates the problem.

The other problem is that settling down too fast causes the person committing to woman to virtually freeze their education and career.

Outdated information (4, Insightful)

hessian (467078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675751)

Back in the early days, hackers were young hobbyists.

The people who are most dangerous now are simply criminals who've learned to operate computers.

Teenage and young adult hacking is part of the learning process and should be encouraged as part of the growth process. Most of those people will go on to futures in computer science.

The criminals will not.

Hackers are dangerous (to corporations) (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676009)

Corporations view hackers as a threat, because hackers do not just sit down and follow the rules like everyone else (rules which are, of course, designed to extract money from your wallet). Hackers created PCs, because hackers did not want to have to pay for computation utilities. Hackers explored the Internet and the phone system, and ignored restrictions that could be bypassed by pressing the right buttons or sending the right strings. Hackers are jailbreaking gaming consoles and tablets. Hackers are creating filesharing systems.

Corporate leaders cannot stand such people, and so now the threat of hackers has been played up by the mainstream media to the point that society thinks hackers are a major threat to public safety (as opposed to, say, the incompetent decisions made by management, or corporations who refuse to adapt to new technologies and new market realities). Naturally, the solution is to coax hackers into becoming more mainstream by bogging them down with mainstream problems (and if their girlfriends happen to be hackers as well? I guess the corporations never considered that possibility...).

The same is largely true of suicide bombers (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675753)

Most of them are single males.

So there is the solution to world peace. Ladies, open your legs. You're apparently responsible for all world conflicts by being frigid bitches. /s

It's an observation without a solution. Young men without girlfriends do tend to be problem makers. It's been an issue for thousands of years. You see it in the wild as well. In animal herds the males without harems are the primary source of drama in the herd. They challenge the dominant males... they sometimes attack the females.... there are instances where the male will just rush an unguarded female and try to mount her before the bull can respond. On and on.

There's no real solution here. A possible thing that could be considered is giving the hackers jobs. But then again no one trusts them. They've been shown to have questionable morals which means you don't trust them near the family jewels. You don't make such people the keepers of secrets.

it's too bad...

Great Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675759)

All we need now is a supply of eager women willing to fulfill their part of this societal bargain. I can just see the criteria for that list now:

1: Must like dark, poorly lit areas.
2. Use of mutlisyllable words.
3. Mountain Dew.
4. Is not afraid of acne, obesity, patchy facial or limp head hair.
5. Is ok with constant references to iconic sci fi works.
6. Is familiar with most respiratory issues, including asmatic speech impediments.

Im sure I could add considerably more to this list, but the above is least 85% of the reason that porn dominates internet in the first place.
Im sure I could add considerably more to this list, but the above is least 85% of the reason that porn dominates internet at this time.

This is it for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675775)

I've been a /. lurker and infrequent Anon poster long enough to have forgotten my 4-digit userid. Between the blatant slashvertisements and pageview troll stories like this, /. has turned into little more than a greenish front end for a link farm. Now we are really seeing the flood that CmdrTaco was holding back. I am truly sorry to see it end like this.

Sounds silly, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675815)

I think the concept could be expanded from "get a girlfriend" to "find a hobby requiring a significant time investment that doesn't involve computers."

I work in the IT field, doing systems work with a bunch of SW developers. While I have not run into too many of the stereotypical "nerd who lives in Mom's basement" folks, the job itself really does cater more to those who would not prefer social interaction. Also, the few of these types I have run into have been incredibly maladjusted to fit into a "normal" environment. When you get enough of these types spending much of their waking life on their computers, imagine what you get when you whip this up with things like incredibly left- or right-wing online discussions. You might end up with your typical Anonymous, LulzSec or other hacktivist type.

I definitely think there's something to the "aging-out" claim. People mature as they get older. Those who have the social skills get married, get a girlfriend or find some other use of their time. And most importantly, that new-found interest or responsibility starts eating away at your free time. I'm married with a kid, and while I was never one of these hacktivist types, I certainly find it more difficult to keep up with just the things I need to stay current with for work (I build and admin machines running several different Windows, Linux and Unix builds for various small customer projects, so that's a LOT of reading to stay good!)

Sociologists saw this when they started looking at urban housing projects back in the later half of the 20th Century. They started off as mixed-income (although low-income) residences for people who couldn't handle high rents on their wages. When the formulas for public housing changed (fixed payment for rent changed to a percentage of income,) people who could moved out even if it was a stretch. What was left was the people who were unemployed and had nothing to do. Crime shot up more than it had done in the past, and eventually the system got so bad that most large cities are just trashing their housing projects and starting over. Moral of the story: People with nothing to do and the perception of nothing to lose will get in trouble more than the people who have their free time occupied.

You can use this for evil, too (2)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675845)

Getting "a life" damages young mens' productivity/creativity/drive. Film at 11.

You could use life against "hackers" (that word in the bad sense) but could also use it against anyone else who is doing things you don't happen to like, too. Politically active for the wrong party? Get 'em a girlfriend. Work for a competitor? Here, have a wife. And if those things don't work, b&e their houses and puncture their condoms for some Surprise Baby Drama.

Not for everyone (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675859)

I know a few people who are really skilled technically, but choose that they want nothing to do with a relationship. Male and Female both. These people would have more fun trying to social the outreach program rather than taking it seriously.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675889)

...is this article assuming all female hackers are lesbians?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40676003)

Have you seen any male hackers? Of course the females are all lesbians.

*Note: No less insulting than TFA.

No wonder China has those birth policies! (2)

DdJ (10790) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675895)

It all makes sense now! They're prepping for a massive cyber-war in the mid 21st century!

Modest proposal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675905)

Their modest proposal sounds like Indecent Proposal.

Novel approach! (3, Funny)

bobetov (448774) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675923)

I just wanted to congratulate TFA's authors for this incredibly novel approach to finding a girlfriend - drafting all of society into a plan to find them dates. Ingenious!

A bit desperate perhaps, but still... genius!

And The Source? (2)

PatDev (1344467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675937)

And from where exactly do they propose we get these girlfriends for the crackers? If we accept the supposition that these are all a bunch of young persistently-single men, then clearly these men are either a) not putting in the effort / participating in activities conducive to getting a mate, or b) insufficiently desirable to any potential mate met thus far.

The common thread in both cases - there is no woman (also, why all the heteronormativity?) interested in him. So do they propose that we kidnap some women from the street and tell them that they're taking one for the team?

Women are people too. Just because it would solve your problem if a woman were to screw this guy, doesn't create an obligation for any particular woman to screw him. I guess you could hire a bunch of escorts, but is it really worth the cost of a decent hooker providing a "girlfriend experience" for long enough to fool the guy into thinking he actually has a girlfriend?

Also effective at "curing" other technical urges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675939)

This approach can be used to stop any significant scientific/technical achievement. No Nobel Prize in Sciences has even been awarded for research conducted while a person was married. :)

Too simplistic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675949)

From my own experience being an activist and/or hacker has nothing to do with girlfriends. When I was around 20 years old I was very active in the nvda movement, nothing to do with computing just activism. The reason I quit was because of the stress and risks involved. When your young you can take more risks, less too loose. Also you think you can take more risks, just don't see them or don't care, less life experience.

As you get older you simply can't deal with the stress of being targeted by police and other people your opposing, your no longer willing to take the risks involved. People who do keep it up most of the time loose their sanity. There are exceptions of course, there always are, I know one guy who is still going strong, sane, with a family.

During the period I was still involved in the activism I actually had a girlfriend, not anymore... I should have kept it up.

Holy Crap (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40675965)

Somewhere out there is a geek with enough skill that he got the government to try and get him a girlfriend.
He's so good at hacking he got a girlfriend.
That... is probably the best hacking skill of all time.

U don't think hackers can hack a girl's brain? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40675975)

They frequently reprogram girls' brains to have a strong lust for said hackers.

Getting married didn't make me dumb. (1)

The Altruist (1448701) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676041)

It just made me poor.

Whooooh, hot potato! (1)

tpotus (1856224) | more than 2 years ago | (#40676047)

see subject

Why is this new research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40676063)

I have been hearing this phrase for more than 30 years and believe it is hundreds of years old or may be thousands: "The weight of bullock cart will tame the bulls" (I am pathetic at translating from one of the Indian languages). The phrase is used in the context of getting young man married to make him responsible.

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