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Windows 8 Release Date: October 26th

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the just-in-time-for-halloween dept.

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Several readers sent word that Microsoft has selected a release date for Windows 8: October 26th. Steven Sinofsky made the announcement today at the company's annual sales meeting. The new version of the operating system will be sent to manufacturers next month, giving them plenty of time to prepare for general availability.

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YASIR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690567)

Yet Another Skip-It Release.

When XP is no longenr supported, I'll chose between Windows 7 or Ubuntu. No way am I supporting Metro in any way. Get that shit off the PC. If 9 looks promising, maybe I'll take my chances on using unsupported XP until 9 comes out.

Re:YASIR (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690595)

No one cares, neckbeard. Yarrrr.

Re:YASIR (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690639)

nobody cares about you too....

windows 8 = windows 7 + some nice new features + shit ui...

Re:YASIR (3, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690621)

Shit, people are angry that Office 2013 is not compatible with Exchange 2003.

The catch? It has not been supported or patched in years! Corporations will just use XP until 2019 and get infected over and over again. XP wont die and it will make tech support people rich in years to come after 2014

Re:YASIR (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690721)

It seems odd to hear you say that, because Vista 6.0 was a pile of bugs, but Seven (6.1) is actually quite good. My company did a long jump from XP to Seven, and I would expect most companies to do the same.

Re:YASIR (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690847)

I wish people would upgrade but most including yourself, my family, and most client sites have no reason to switch from XP.

Equipment, intranet apps, and other things being right now in 2012 only work on XP. People resistant to change and the comments down here show [wired.com] that are average Joes are astounding! My pessimism grows but hell, it might help do support more after 2014 if they keep getting infected. That means more demand which means more money just like what webmasters charge for IE 6 development these days.

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691125)

Wow that linked comment makes Slashdot looks like a community of PhD !

Re:YASIR (4, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692617)

That is one of the few nice things about MSFT, as you can just skip the crap releases completely and hope they come to their senses for the next one, or the one after that.

I actually skipped XP for the most part after finding the RTM version crap so i went from Win2K Pro (great OS that was, light and solid) to XP X64 (another great OS, made for an awesome workstation) and then skipped Vista on my main system for Windows 7 which is quite nice, a little more bloat than XP but the features make up for it and its got a hell of a lot better memory management than Vista.

So just skip win 8, hell skip win 9 too if they don't fire that damned Apple wannabe Ballmer and his pet Sinofsky, win 7 is supported until 2020 so either they'll get their collective heads out of their asses before then or they'll bomb hard enough nobody will care for using Windows anymore anyway, no problem. It isn't like Win 7 is gonna suddenly have all the programs dry up, hell most programs still have XP support and that thing is old as dirt so I'm sure you'll still be able to run anything you want (well except for maybe IE, but who gives a crap about IE anymore?) for years to come and can avoid Win 8 like the tweeting twitting FB shitting social mess of an OS it is.

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692823)

That is one of the few nice things about MSFT, as you can just skip the crap releases completely and hope they come to their senses for the next one, or the one after that.

It is pretty much the same with Apple too, go on the second release, the first one is always sucky. Cheetah/Puma (sucky), Jaguar(good), Panther(sucky), Tiger(good), Leopard(sucky), Snow Leopard(good), Lion(sucky), so Mountain Lion should be a good one.

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691005)

Not supported? Exchange 2003, along with Office 2003 and XP are supported (depending on agreement) and will receive security patches until 8th April 2014. You might want to actually look at MS's Product Support Lifecycle.

Re:YASIR (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691271)

Check again?

Exchange has not been supported in several years. If you have it at work I hope you do not get infected. Time to upgrade ASAP.

Re:YASIR (1)

Agares (1890982) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690657)

I'm not so sure about Windows 8 myself either. I think I will just see how it goes after the realease and decide whether to get it or Windows 7.

Re:YASIR (3, Funny)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690665)

Fuck Metro, and fuck Windows 8.

Re:YASIR (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690863)

Wise words indeed.

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691163)

It's designed for a touch interface. You could make a fucking app...

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691741)

Um, yeah, if I was going to make an "app", I'd make it for a real tablet. It's called the fucking IPAD.

Internet Personal Access Device (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692023)

Um, yeah, if I was going to make an "app", I'd make it for a real tablet. It's called the fucking IPAD.

You mean the Internet Personal Access Device [micgadget.com] ?

Re:YASIR (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691703)

If the 'success' of Windows Phone is anything to go by they will be channel-stuffing their Surface tablets like there's no tomorrow...i don't see this going well.

Re:YASIR (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692577)

I wonder if the UEFI unlocking mandate extends to MS' own x86 hardware. The Surface might be a sweet machine to run Linux on! :)

Re:YASIR (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692709)

I wonder if the UEFI unlocking mandate extends to MS' own x86 hardware. The Surface might be a sweet machine to run Linux on! :)

Who knows...if i had to guess i'd say probably not, but then again there are better tablets to run linux on...unless you have some sort of x86 requirement.

Re:YASIR (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692819)

better tablets - such as? One of the few mass marketed android tablets with a keyboard dock is the Asus Transformer. For which I've seen mixed feedback re durability and build quality. Ubuntu porting was from one volunteer NZ hacker.

Battery life may be reduced but going x86 means hardware support may be better e.g. ARM SoC's don't tend to support Xorg well. Plus, being a Windows machine, it should come with plenty of RAM.

Re:YASIR (0)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691027)

Windows 7 is a damn fine windows release.

Windows 8 is better than windows 7. I dont suggest you skip it. Metro is odd yes, but MS is onto something...

Re:YASIR (2, Funny)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691083)

>>>MS is onto something...

Can I have some? I'll just roll it in my ZigZag paper hear and light up.

Re:YASIR (4, Funny)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691249)

I'll just roll it in my ZigZag paper hear and light up.

What exactly would you hear? do you anticipate auditory hallucinations after inhaling?

Re:YASIR (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691695)

He probably suspects that he'll hallucinate that Windows 8 is actually usuable instead of the worthless piece of garbage that it is in real life. NEWS FLASH MS: your users* hate Metro. Your Metro phones don't sell worth a fuck and your metro computers won't either

*Yes I get that the PC OEMs are the real customers thus the "users" terminology.

Re:YASIR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692159)

Sorry, this level of retarded must be mainlined...roll up a sleeve, princess.

Re:YASIR (0, Troll)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692197)

Win 7 is not "damn fine". It is the first actually acceptable (i.e. mediocre) Windows. Win 8 promises to be worse in a lot of regards, not only the completely borked UI. An what business has an OS anyways to tell the user what GUI to use????

The thing MS is on to, is that they finally started with Win 7 to catch up to the other OSes. Still a decade or so behind, but it used to be worse.

Re:YASIR (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692589)

The thing MS is on to, is that they finally started with Win 7 to catch up to the other OSes. Still a decade or so behind, but it used to be worse.

In what regard? If it really were a decade behind everything else people would have switched long ago, OSX has only recently become decent and the major Linux distributions changed direction just when they were starting to be usable. Microsoft cannot afford to pay everyone to use their software so what is your explanation for the lack of adoption of a free alternative that is a decade ahead? Maybe some people would stick to Microsoft for legacy reasons for a while, but not 90%+ for around 2 decades.

Re:YASIR (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692791)

Win 7 is not "damn fine". It is the first actually acceptable (i.e. mediocre) Windows. Win 8 promises to be worse in a lot of regards, not only the completely borked UI. An what business has an OS anyways to tell the user what GUI to use????

The thing MS is on to, is that they finally started with Win 7 to catch up to the other OSes. Still a decade or so behind, but it used to be worse.

You know XP was a favorite bash of slashdotters. .... then came Vista.

Then all of the sudden it was the best OS ever and people became fanbois and the corps started 10 year release cycles. Funny how a bad product will do that?

Oddly there are XP fanboys today who still wont even switch to Windows 7. If you are stuck with Windows, Windows 7 is ok. Not great and it has its quirks but ok.

Re:YASIR (2)

aahpandasrun (948239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691189)

I'm very skeptical, but I think people should give it a chance at least. There's plenty of radical changes that people balk at that end up catching on.

Re:YASIR (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691471)

Well, I can sum it up the revulsion in one word: Unity.

If you've ever had to use it, you'll know why Metro is (at least IMO) the suck.

Don't screw with my desktop paradigm by simplifying it too damned much - you introduce too much complexity that way.

(and to think - my favorite WM of all time is fluxbox.)

Re:YASIR (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691731)

I'm very skeptical, but I think people should give it a chance at least. There's plenty of radical changes that people balk at that end up catching on.

Um, have you not been paying attention? People have been giving Metro 8 a chance. It was the most downloaded MS Beta ever. It has met almost universal revulsion. Yet they are plugging away in some misguided attempt to compete with the fucking iPad. The GODDAMN IPAD. They are throwing their desktop and corporate users under the bus to chase a fucking skirt. Have those fuckerlords in Redmond never heard the saying "Bros before hoes"? Pathetic.

Re:YASIR (4, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692433)

If only Ubuntu hadn't made so many mistakes in the past 4 versions, then probably many would have moved to it

For the unemployed (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690601)

Work for an OEM call center, check.

I have a feeling October 27th, the switch will be melting from frustrated users foaming at the mouth with WTF did you do to my computer! Or what I thought this was a laptop not a tablet?

If you can take the abuse I imagine the support centers will be hiring left and right to keep up with demand.

Re:For the unemployed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690807)

Unfortunately this is only an opportunity for anyone unemployed in the Mumbai metro area.

Conversational English skills recommended but not required for applicants.

Eh, what am I whining about, anyway, at least you can still reach a human being. In a decade or two all phone support will be a voice synthesis robot that still fails the Turing test. Some businesses are doing that already.

All of my windows upgrades have gone well (2)

colin_faber (1083673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690615)

Years after the release of the product. Mostly around service pack 2 or 3 time frame.

When to buy Windows 7 PC? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690643)

Will they be clearanced on October 26? Or should I grab one earlier. (When do the computer makers phase-out old models and bring-in new ones? August?)

Re:When to buy Windows 7 PC? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690719)

Will they be clearanced on October 26? Or should I grab one earlier. (When do the computer makers phase-out old models and bring-in new ones? August?)

If I were an OEM maker I would have 2 versions of laptops and desktops. Ones with Windows 8 and the other imaged with Windows 7. Dell did this after 6 months when it lost sales due to Vista and offered an XP 64 bit line for home users.

With support calls through the roof and customers freaking out I bet you could make a killing if you offered the Windows 7 at retail as well.

Re:When to buy Windows 7 PC? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691293)

Better yet, offer the Win8 models at an inflated price so that the regular-price Win7 models look like a bargain. The inflated price will offset your support costs for the few morons who do buy Win8 and then call to complain.

Re:When to buy Windows 7 PC? (1)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692273)

I worked at CompUSA back when Vista launched (believe it was a January because I remember we had a massive blizzard and the midnight launch was a dismal failure) and in the month or so prior we started rolling out the hardware with it pre-installed so that by launch night we only had a couple models that were still running XP, and they didn't last long as word got around how much Vista sucked. By the time the store had failed and was being liquidated, we had one model that was still running XP.

Of course, depending on the hardware, you could always do like a lot of people did with those Vista machines, and put the old OS on there. There were some headaches with the really early models but within a few months driver support caught up and it wasn't such a big deal...

Any midnight openings announced? (5, Funny)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690663)

The lines would be huge!!!! Everyone I know who has tried 8, including myself, can't get enough of Metro and those amazing apps! I'm sure in the release version the apps won't blow, right?

Re:Any midnight openings announced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690751)

I'm sure everyone will love the new mail client that doesn't work with non-microsoft mail servers.

Re:Any midnight openings announced? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690777)

You mean that one that is just IE 10 Metrosized of hotmail.com with no other functionality?

I would not even call that pos an app.

Re:Any midnight openings announced? (5, Funny)

Rhacman (1528815) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691067)

I know right?!?! I feel so much more productive using applications that are full-screen only and use highly visible 48 point fonts! Plus, the extra large tile interface allows me to select which program I want to run by slamming my forehead into my touchscreen!

Re:Any midnight openings announced? (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691815)

Nope. There's an actual Jedi technique involved in using Windows 8. I haven't quite figured it out though. I'm thinking of joining the Dark Side (Apple) instead.

Ubuntu 12.10 (4, Interesting)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690671)

Just in time for Ubuntu 12.10, eh?

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (3, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690875)

Just in time for Ubuntu 12.10, eh?

Yeah... Metro vs Unity, fight! And Apple is on their way to iOS X as well. I'll go get the popcorn while I watch from by traditional desktop.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691035)

Yeah... Metro vs Unity, fight! And Apple is on their way to iOS X as well. I'll go get the popcorn while I watch from by traditional desktop.

Funny, Mountain Lion's UI changes a tiny bit, but not much, while Windows and Linux/Ubuntu decide they need a revamp. Though iOS 6 is supposed to be coming out that month as well... Mountain Lion... this month or next.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691219)

Since OS X is open-source, has anyone attempted to recompile 10.6 or 10.7 to run on PowerPC?

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691517)

By now, you might have an easier time replacing the kernel with Darwin.

Then again, probably not. [google.com]

As a guy who still has a fully functioning dual G5, I'm thinking I'll either run Linux on it, or I'm gonna have a nice little case mod coming up to house my next motherboard...

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691567)

Yes and no. You can still compile Darwin from source and I assume it's in a similar state to what's used in the latest OS X, however the WM, all the apps and pretty much everything that makes OS X isn't OSS.

Be ye trollin'?

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692419)

Just run FreeBSD + Xfce4, you'll be happier. And it will have a BSD networking stack unpolluted by ancient weirdness and modern sorcery.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (3, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691343)

I hate to say it, but I think this is going to be a very profitable and successful time for Apple. People are going to look at Metro and barf, and start looking for alternatives. Then they'll think, "maybe I'll try out that Linux thing everyone's been talking about", and of course look for the most popular distro which is, of course, Ubuntu. They'll go to the trouble of trying that out somehow, see how awful Unity is, and realize that it's no great alternative to Metro. Then they'll say "screw it, I'll just buy a Mac" and go to the local Apple store and buy an overpriced computer there.

They might also try out Fedora with Gnome3 instead, but the result will be exactly the same.

This could have been a great opportunity for Linux on the desktop, but between Mark Shuttleworth and the Gnome devs, the cause for Linux on the desktop is pretty much lost.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691937)

True enough, Gnome sucks. But what's wrong with KDE? Everyone I've introduced to Fedora/KDE has loved it.

KDE isn't perfect yet, to be sure, but the interface is a no-brainer for ex-Windows users.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (5, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692031)

KDE is good, I use it myself. And yes, the interface is indeed a no-brainer for (pre-Metro) Windows users.

The problem with KDE is that none of the leading distros feature it in a leading role. Linux is utterly dominated by Ubuntu and Fedora; act like a Windows-only person who knows nothing about Linux and google for "linux" and you'll probably find all kinds of stuff about Ubuntu, with Fedora a distant #2. There are distros that feature KDE, such as Chakra, Linux Mint KDE edition, Kubuntu, and of course SUSE, but someone new to Linux isn't going to see any of those; they'll be lucky if they stumble across SUSE somehow, amid all the Ubuntu stuff everywhere, but the others are hopeless. So, to someone new to Linux, all they're going to see is Unity, and maybe Gnome3, and that's it, and they're going to equate one or both of those with "desktop Linux". They're about as likely to learn about KDE at this point as they are LXDE or Enlightenment.

Heck, I work in a job doing embedded Linux and Android development, and my fellow Linux/Android developers all use Unity, and complain about it, but they use it because "that's what Ubuntu uses" and they want to stick with "the standard". I'm the lone weirdo for using Linux Mint KDE. If professional software engineers working with low-level Linux aren't using KDE, then not many regular users are going to either, and newbies certainly aren't going to. If they even hear about it at all, they'll just consider it "one of those odd things that a small number of highly-skilled people use, and not worth the bother for little ol' me", just like Enlightenment or WindowMaker.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (2)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692659)

I've had a few non-Linux* people comment on WindowMaker (and AfterStep), wanting to know why more Linux environments don't use them. I love WM on older systems (P3 usually, or really low RAM), and used KDE on Fedora for a long time (and on Slackware and Gentoo at home). But, like you said, without the love from the major distros, KDE remains in the shadows.

*These were Windows Network Admins, not Joe-user

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692811)

The problem with KDE is that none of the leading distros feature it in a leading role. Linux is utterly dominated by Ubuntu and Fedora; act like a Windows-only person who knows nothing about Linux and google for "linux" and you'll probably find all kinds of stuff about Ubuntu, with Fedora a distant #2. There are distros that feature KDE, such as Chakra, Linux Mint KDE edition, Kubuntu, and of course SUSE, but someone new to Linux isn't going to see any of those; they'll be lucky if they stumble across SUSE somehow, amid all the Ubuntu stuff everywhere, but the others are hopeless.

Seems to me such a person has the wrong idea about how to use Linux. You should really be exploring different window managers, but of course if you come from a Windows background that's a foreign idea to you - which is perhaps why leading distros should make more effort to highlight the choice available. Personally I've settled on XFCE on Debian until or unless I can find something that's more like an incremental improvement on GNOME2.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691849)

At least LaunchPad is a separate application, you don't have to use it (personally i find it pointless) and that's what the Metro start screen should have been on x86 PCs, an optional thing!

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691995)

Certainly Windows 8 will get a million news articles and Ubuntu 12.10 maybe 1000. Could this be a Microsoft attempt to crush any would-be positive press for Canonical, or could they care less?

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692073)

Yeah... Metro vs Unity, fight!

Just in time for Xubuntu 12.10, eh? That's what I run on my clean PC.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 Metro vs Unity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692459)

> Metro vs Unity

The good news about Unity is that you can have a normal menu:

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html

or just use LXDE, KDE, XFCE or others.

Whereas Microsoft wants Metro to be forced down your throat until you learn to love it.

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691149)

How come when I tried to install Ubuntu 12 on my laptop, it went khaka? I know my laptop only has 384 megabytes, but ubuntu.com says I only need 256. Maybe the CPU is too slow (P3 at ~700 MHz).

It ran better than Vista but not by much. It also failed to let me install Flash Player or Google Chome. Kept saying something about "missing installation file".

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691659)

Wow, you're really on a roll trolling Linux today. Earlier Debian "sucked ass" and now this. Check this out, if you want a good experience with a modern general purpose distro, you might want to have at least semi-modern hardware to go with it. For P3's there are appropriate distributions like Lubuntu. Those distro's are much more appropriate in your situation. As far as your Flash Player not working, maybe you didn't install it correctly. If an OS complains that an installation file is "missing" that usually means it is.

P.S. And if you want the best experience of all do what 99 percent of the computer using public already do: buy your computer with the OS of your choice already on it [system76.com] .

Re:Ubuntu 12.10 (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692279)

>>>Earlier Debian "sucked ass" and now this

That was a joke. I was teasing the Anon.Coward Troll who claimed Ubuntu was a bug-ridden piece of junk. (Which it isn't...at least not the older 2010 version I use.)

Something's wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690689)

Something's horribly, horribly wrong!
That article linked is actually from today. I don't know what's going on, but someone needs to fix this.

As for Win8, I'll look at the x86 tablets with it, but no chance I'd replace my tower OSes.

cool, means a release party (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690711)

and i can get me a free copy of Windows 8 that i can turn around and sell on craigslist, like I did for Windows 7 release.

There'll be waiting lines... (2)

belgianguy (1954708) | more than 2 years ago | (#40690759)

...consisting of people who still want to grab a copy of Windows 7 before it's too late.

If rumors are an indication, the last Windows 7 license will be sold on December 21, 2012.

Re:There'll be waiting lines... (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691017)

I actually have thought about buying a few copies before they become hard to find.

Re:There'll be waiting lines... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691779)

Here, let me save you the trouble:

Here, let me save you the trouble. [extratorrent.com]

Re:There'll be waiting lines... (4, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691363)

You're forgetting one important fact though: OCT 26 = DEC 22

Re:There'll be waiting lines... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691385)

THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!

Re:There'll be waiting lines... (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691507)

...consisting of people who still want to grab a copy of Windows 7 before it's too late.

If rumors are an indication, the last Windows 7 license will be sold on December 21, 2012.

No way in hell!

Corporations are still mostly on XP and just starting to switch to Windows 7 now. Many other users will freak out and go to small shops to get Windows 7 installed like they did with XP. MS can't cut it off and I bet OEMs if they are smart will have Windows 7 models at retail as well. MS may want to have people shut up and not repeat the situation with XP of last decade but there is a genuine demand for obsolete software now. It works, its well tested, its stable, it doesn't play games of the marketing departments battle of the week (like trying to be iOS).

Yawn (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40690761)

Is there anyone out there who still cares what MS releases next?
I have not seen anyone using windows for years now.

Re:Yawn (1, Informative)

aahpandasrun (948239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691103)

You're a minority. Like it or not, Windows has 84.41% operating system marketshare. (http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9). It's by far the most prevalent OS.

Re:Yawn (3, Insightful)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691701)

Windows has an 84% *desktop* marketshare. Meanwhile servers, tablets, phones and embedded devices of all kinds run all sorts of operating systems (if they have one), that are mostly not Windows. It turns out that most of computing is actually not on the desktop (eg. servers running the Internet, telephony and corporate environments like banks etc). Of course, because it is invisible and mostly *just works*(TM) people don't know about it - they only know about Windows on their lil' desktop and how it is in their consciousness a lot since it requires so much effort to keep working properly.

Re:Yawn (2)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692223)

And the numbers are unfair. I use Windows for gaming and the occasional Word document. But even at work, I mostly use Linux (Debian). I am sure this is counted as Windows only.

Re:Yawn (2)

lilfields (961485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691573)

I guess you don't have a job then.

8 is not vista (1)

aahpandasrun (948239) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691057)

Windows 8 is not Vista and is not Windows ME. By all accounts so far, performance is the same or better than Windows 7. The problems are with the lack of a start menu, Metro, and the odd windows 3.1-esque flat UI.

Re:8 is not vista (3, Insightful)

ericloewe (2129490) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691151)

True enough, but it doesn't matter if the computer is stable and functioning within normal parameters if you can't actually do anything useful. Of course, it's not *that* bad, but forcing metro on desktops and laptops is absurd.

Re:8 is not vista (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691485)

The performance is better. But it *is* another vista or ME, you can say anything else you want, but when it takes more time to do simple tasks, that you can already complete using the start menu, then you've screwed up your UI design. That's exactly what's happened with the metro UI. I've noticed a very large push recently to try to dissuade this tech blogs, smells like paid astroturfing though.

So really if you're going to use this on a PC, like I'm going to end up having to. Either get used to keyboard shortcuts(if you don't use them already), grab stardock's replacement UI, nuke your PC from orbit(just to be sure) and blame MS, or tell your boss you need a 27" touchscreen monitor. Hey, why not milk it?

Re:8 is not vista (0)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691961)

Suddenly we all love the start menu?

I remember when it was laughed at for even being called "The start menu"

MS is on to something. Metro is pretty nice actually. The problem is, the confusion between tablet and desktop. Well will all innovation comes a bit of uncertainty, confusion and "Bah humbug"

Metro is nice, and windows 8 is a a good os, but how will it fit into our idea of a desktop os and will we embrace it? If its truly good, then yes. Its going to be very odd, it might be odd until windows 9. But the technological accomplishments of having a full windows OS on a tablet is pretty impress, considering windows 8 is lighter on resources than 7 WITH a metro ui even.

Will it work? or will it blend?

I'm all for a start menu with more information. Time will tell, people will try it. I suspect many will like it. Power users will either find metro gets in the way, or its not so bad as we thought.

Re:8 is not vista (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692763)

Suddenly we all love the start menu?

I remember when it was laughed at for even being called "The start menu"

Considering the predecessor was "the tile set" and before that we had CLI? Yeah, the start menu was pretty much loved by most unless you needed a CLI, and in which case you could get around pretty easily anyway.

Time will tell, so who knows.

Re:8 is not vista (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691621)

Windows 8 is not Vista and is not Windows ME. By all accounts so far, performance is the same or better than Windows 7. The problems are with the lack of a start menu, Metro, and the odd windows 3.1-esque flat UI.

Windows 3.11 was a better UI than that Metro garbage.

Upgrading...no; Surface, hells yeahs (4, Insightful)

lilfields (961485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691155)

I have no intention of upgrading my desktops to Windows 8. From everything I've used and read on and about Windows 8, the start menu is a desktop PC disaster...but for touch, holy cow is it beautiful. I will keep my desktops/laptop running Windows 7 and grab a Windows 8 RT Surface. I think Microsoft wants this to be the reaction of most users. The start menu is just to grab developers attention of "hey this is going to be on every PC shipped out until Windows 9 hits, you have huge app exposure now." Those apps run on Windows Phone & Windows RT and the New Xbox...Microsoft then almost overnight has a platform that will be expansive and cross platform putting a fight up against Apple's appstore. Then in Windows 9 they can dial back the Metro start menu, make it more intuitive for the desktop and they suffer no loss. They might even GAIN share thanks to the tablet market. Windows 8 sells as bad as Vista did, big deal, Vista sold millions upon millions of licenses & the PC market is flat...and Windows 7 is the best desktop environment (in my opinion.) This is all about Microsoft flanking Apple in the tablet & phone markets. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll buy a Windows Phone 8, a Surface RT, and keep my desktops on 7. Yet Microsoft still wins.

Re:Upgrading...no; Surface, hells yeahs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691823)

Yeah, I'm going to spend 500 dollars for a gimp Windows RT job when I can spend the same amount and get a retina display iPad with hundreds of thousands of touch optimized apps and games and peripherals coming out the wazoo or save half the money and get a Nexus 7 which is actual portable like a tablet should be and still has a massive touch native ecosystem. Yeah, no. Windows RT is the stupidest shit I have ever seen in my entire life. You get a tablet with no apps that is called Windows but can't run all my old Windows apps. I MIGHT AS WELL GET THE IPAD.

Re:Upgrading...no; Surface, hells yeahs (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692183)

Why did MS have to make Metro for the desktops that don't have touch screens? Ugh.

Re:Upgrading...no; Surface, hells yeahs (1)

IAmR007 (2539972) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692547)

As far as tablets go, Metro is only useful for those that use capacitive displays. Anything that uses a stylus is more accurate than a mouse. Capacitive displays are nice for phones and the low end tablets, but for anything for serious use should have something on par with a wacom. I hope Win8 starts making more companies start making high end tablet computers like the Fujitsu convertible tablet series (ie T5010, which I have and love), but Metro still won't be ideal for it

A little too early (1)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691167)

Why not wait until December 21, 2012?

It's a much more fitting date.

May I comment for everyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691175)

Yawnnnn ...... OUCH MY JAW .... that was a jaw breaker.

My Birthday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691279)

I wonder if I can get a free copy for my birthday LOL.
Actually, even though my new XPS laptop was purchased after the date, and I can get a
full copy for almost nothing, I plan on skipping Win 8, for not at least. 7 runs just fine.

So will it be a trick or a treat? (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40691347)

I guess I'll never find out.

I won't be buying... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40691355)

I've been running the Windows 8 Release Preview since it was available. I'm not that impressed. I've been in IT for almost 15 years and have tried and used every OS out there. This one feels like a letdown. As savvy as I am with tech, perhaps I'm jaded now that I've "seen it all". The last time I experienced a "wow factor" with an OS was back in 2000 with BeOS. Since then, only BSD and Linux have kept me somewhat excited about tech.

The notion that everyone is enamored or wants an interface resembling a tablet/phone device is nonsense, despite recent successes with the iPad and Android devices. I have always preferred a smallish laptop to anything else and likely always will if they keep the form factor.

Getting back on track... the Metro interface is... awkward. It feels like a suit that doesn't quite fit right no matter how good it looks.

I'm waiting for another BeOS myself. The current paradigm in all it's flavors is boring and leaves little to the imagination. BeOS didn't get any traction because it was ahead of its time. Written from scratch. Beautiful, but alas no "supply train" behind it and no one willing to un-entrench themselselves from the Wintel/Mac world. I can only hope...

Re:I won't be buying... (1)

gweihir (88907) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692293)

I use Linux as primary desktop and Win7 were I cannot avoid it (gaming, the occasional word document). While I consider Linux reasonable (not "good", just adequate for the job, it has its flaws), I am constantly amazed by the level of pain and stupidity that Windows and Office users are willing to endure. Example: The only good way I found to make a Windows backup was with Linux ntfsclone and dd for the boot area. Or the fact that Word and Power-point get more and more dysfunctional from release to release. Recently, I tried to change the language setting for a whole presentation in PowerPoint. Guess what: That is not possible without programing it yourself! How is such a product in any way professional? Or this atrocity they call the "ribbon": Wastes precious vertical screen space, makes you switch around all the time, and it is so space constrained that many important functions are actually not in it! This is really incredible.

My guess is that all these Windows and MS apologists do just not know the alternatives to any reasonable level and for some reason think they are even worse.

Re:I won't be buying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692505)

I use linux and windows and generally find linux desktops to be pretty buggy and I find the usability to be pretty bad. Windows 7 isn't great but it isn't bad. As far as backups go there are multiple free backup programs out there. I use EaseUS for example. It does partition/drive backups which it sounds like what you are after.

No argument on ribbon. I am not in office enough to care to be honest.

Given a choice though there is no way I would prefer linux over windows for the desktop (server is a different story).

YMMV

Re:I won't be buying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692821)

Wastes precious vertical screen space

The height of the ribbon is roughly equal to menus+toolbar defaults in Libre Office and Office 2003. Depending on your toolbars you can actually end up with more vertical screen space used in those office suits. But if you're really concerned with vertical space, you can minimize the ribbon and bring it back with one click. By contrast, you can't minimize toolbars and bring them all back with one click.

makes you switch around all the time

Switching a ribbon is equivalent to opening a menu in a regular toolbar interface. If you find yourself switching often, consider placing your most used functions in the quick access toolbar or creating a custom ribbon with your most frequently used items. Also remember most common text functions like font face, style, size, color, indent are accessed by highlighting text, so you don't have to go back to the home menu.

so space constrained that many important functions are actually not in it

This complaint contradicts your first complaint which is the ribbon takes up so much space. Which is it: takes up too much space or space constrained? The ribbon is designed to bring more functions within fewer clicks, and if you count them out compared to a default toolbar interface you'll see exactly that. However, if you find you need a function that is not in the ribbon, as of Office 2010 you can completely customize the ribbons or create your own tab, and add that function you need.

Re:I won't be buying... (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692937)

Have you tried HaikuOS [haiku-os.org] by any chance? BeOS reborn.

MS supporting Linux? (2)

xs650 (741277) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692045)

If ever there was an opportunity for next year to be the year of the Linux desktop, this is it. Too bad it won't happen.

Re:MS supporting Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40692845)

No, Vista was it., and we saw how that went.

Not A Single Fuck (0)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 2 years ago | (#40692481)

And not a single fuck was given that day.

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