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12 Dead, 50 Injured at The Dark Knight Rises Showing In Colorado

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the rest-in-peace dept.

Crime 1706

beaverdownunder sends the sad news that a gunman opened fire on an audience watching the new Batman movie early this morning, killing 12 and wounding 50 others. The shooting took place in Aurora, Colorado, and the suspect was arrested by police. "Witnesses told KUSA that the gunman kicked in an emergency exit door and threw a smoke bomb into the darkened theater before opening fire. One movie-goer, who was not identified, told KUSA the gunman was wearing a gas mask. Some people in the audience thought the thick smoke and gunfire was a special effect accompanying the movie, police and witnesses said."

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Willing to bet.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709817)

I would put money down that is some right-wing nutjob that has been riled up by the idiotic comments on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's program over the last few days.

Not a lot mind you, but it is still not a bad bet.

Re:Willing to bet.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709863)

Wow, that didn't take long. Has to be a RWNJ, because only Fox News and Rush say things that get people riled up. ONLY them, the rest of the MSM does NOT do this at ALL...PERIOD. Now, let's ban guns because it's the gun's fault.

Re:Willing to bet.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709903)

Well, we tried to ban morons but that didn't work out so well(something about how morons were the ones who couldn't figure out the use of contraceptives), and apparently we can't even have the most basic of gun laws followed.

Re:Willing to bet.. (1, Troll)

durrr (1316311) | about 2 years ago | (#40710135)

I don't know what you're talking about? This is clearly just a regular showing of the 4D version.

Re:Willing to bet.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709975)

Because Fox News is a significant mainstream proponent of the brand of conservatism that sees anyone not bought in to the Fox news mindset as being flag burning pedophiles, out to kill Jesus, murder babies and destroy America. Whether this shooter is part of the that club of idiocy is another matter.

And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709867)

Straight to partisan blame? You've clearly found a tragedy to capitalize on.

Re:And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (0, Troll)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40709925)

There was a right-wing nutjob on air (the fat one) saying that the character of Bain was calculated to make Romney look bad over the past week.

Just sayin'.

Re:And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (0, Troll)

Juniper (8545) | about 2 years ago | (#40710003)

Just like there was a left-wing nutjob (Jon Stewart) who also compared the villain, Bain, to Romney's previous employer.

Re:And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (-1, Offtopic)

miletus (552448) | about 2 years ago | (#40710045)

Jon Stewart? Left wing? Hardly [thebaffler.com] . He's a court jester who's careful to suck up to the powerful.

Re:And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710077)

Nope, Jon Stewart is very clearly satire as was his piece referencing the "Bane" controvery. Rush Limbaugh? Genuine. Except when he wants to pretend he was "just kidding" in order to attempt to deflect criticism.

Maybe Limbaugh would be believable if his show was carried on Comedy Central.

Re:And you wonder why we have hate-based politics (1)

smartin (942) | about 2 years ago | (#40710111)

The difference is that one of them was a comedian making a joke the other is a pundit trying to rile the political base of his party. I leave it to you to figure out which is which.

Re:Willing to bet.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709881)

If it's a right-wing nutjob, it's an incident. If it's a Muslim, it's terrorism.

Re:Willing to bet.. (-1, Troll)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40710039)

Re:Willing to bet it was a Muzzy, because they were watching the "caped crusader"

Re:Willing to bet.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710147)

"Re:Willing to bet it was a Muzzy, because they were watching the "caped crusader""

Batman always wears his veil.

Re:Willing to bet.. (5, Insightful)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | about 2 years ago | (#40710083)

Two points, one to the parent directly, and one to later commentary.

First, to the parent, considering the demographics of Colorado, yes, he probably was a right-wing nutjob. This does not, of course, imply that right-wing nutjobbery makes you more likely to be a mass murderer.

Second, to those who have already and will continue to claim that permissive concealed carry laws are ineffective in general because they were ineffective in this case: A crowded, dark movie theater, during an action scene is pretty much the second worst place you could possibly attempt a defensive shooting. You would be fairly unable to accurately identify your target, to clear the space in front of and behind him, to take aim or to prevent yourself from getting shot or harmed by others, police included, during or after the event. The worst, I think, would be a nightclub. So no, this neither affirms nor repudiates weapons ownership or carry, concealed or open, in any real way. You might as well take the Challenger as proof that man is never to leave terra firma.

how 'bout some gun control... (-1, Troll)

acidfast7 (551610) | about 2 years ago | (#40709835)

n/m

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (4, Funny)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40709847)

It would of been better if everyone in the audience was armed. There would of been no shooting then... right?

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709877)

There would be shooting, but the shooter wouldn't have survived.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709899)

"The Gun Is Civilization"

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0, Flamebait)

Stuarticus (1205322) | about 2 years ago | (#40709953)

So much stupid in one post, bravo.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709959)

Bla Bla Bla... Take your NRA crap somewhere else.

You people always tag your non-sense to articles about death by guns.

Please just STFU.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (-1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40710095)

Actually everyone should carry a portable ICBM targeting system, with nuclear warheads. After all someone could attack you from an armoured vehicle, hold your family hostage, or all sorts of other things if you only have a gun.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710101)

Bravo.
Thank you for that post.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709907)

Since Colorado already has some of the least restrictive gun laws anywhere, we can only conclude that these laws are insufficient to protect us. What we really need is *mandatory* carry laws. Every able-bodied adult *must* carry a concealed weapon, everywhere. It is the only way to prevent this kind of mass shooting.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (5, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 2 years ago | (#40710109)

Only idiots assume that citizens having guns *prevents* nutjobs from shooting. Most of these guys know it won't end well for them, sooner or later. Very few honestly expect to not get caught and punished (likely why it's so common for them to commit suicide at the end of the spree). What it really does is minimize the damage. The nutjob is going to open fire anyway and will kill people before anyone can react. However, if there's resistance then he may only get a handful of people before being taken down as opposed to mowing down a crowd before the cops show up.

That said, this particular case is one in which firing back would have been a very bad idea. It was a crowded, dark and apparently tear gas filled theater with a whole lot of people dressed up as Batman (similar to the dark clothes the shooter was wearing). Even if you get a clear shot and you're 100% sure you have the right target and are 100% sure you won't hit someone else, another armed citizen might mistake you for the bad guy in the confusion and shoot you by mistake.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1)

lightknight (213164) | about 2 years ago | (#40710129)

Seconded.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709919)

It would of been better if everyone in the audience was armed. There would of been no shooting then... right?

Sure, I bet we can even rehabilitate the guy who did this too?

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (4, Informative)

niko9 (315647) | about 2 years ago | (#40709921)

It would of been better if everyone in the audience was armed. There would of been no shooting then... right?

Yes, you are right. Just like and armed churchgoer stopped this attck before anyone got killed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sKQl-Qp5W0 [youtube.com] And yes, it was in Colorado as well.

It's too bad the majority of people have been brainwashed over the last 30 years to think that they should never take any active role in defending themselves.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709951)

Wtf is in Colorado? Too much heat goes onto the people's brains?

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (4, Interesting)

Pecisk (688001) | about 2 years ago | (#40710053)

That really depends. Not everyone has nerve to pull out gun and aim precicely in case of such emergency. I agree that having no guns in public place like cinema is way much safer than having them. However, I would do prefer to have security guys with really good training which can act in seconds in such cases. You really can't hope that you will have some well trained guy between customers in every such situation.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (4, Informative)

Alomex (148003) | about 2 years ago | (#40710117)

Just like and armed churchgoer stopped this attack

It wasn't an "armed churchgoer" as you misleadingly state. It was an off-duty police officer, trained in the use of lethal force.

When you start with untrained use of lethal force you get George Zimmerman shooting at Trayvon Martin.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (2)

chebucto (992517) | about 2 years ago | (#40709929)

Colorado has concealed carry and open carry, and there were a lot of people in the theater.

I'm curious to know if there was anybody else there who had a gun and was either shot too quickly or just ran away.

Either way, I don't see this changing the debate at all in the states. I'm in my early 30s now and have heard about more massacres in the states that I can remember, and every time the arguments are the same. Gun control generates as much rational debate down south as abortion does.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (5, Insightful)

wisty (1335733) | about 2 years ago | (#40709977)

Or, they thought that shooting into a dark crowded theatre filled with smoke was far more stupid than just hiding under their seat.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

chebucto (992517) | about 2 years ago | (#40710139)

They would have been correct. In this particular case, the nutter had body armour, too, so circumstances would have to be pretty ideal for any rambo citizen to save the day.

And really, if everyone in a theater of 300 people was armed, the odds that one of those 300 people would go crazy themselves in 1, 5, or 10 years is probably pretty good.

Giving every Tom, Dick and Harry the right to have guns is really unwise. Leave them to the cops, and do your damndest to disarm everyone else (except hunters).

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710011)

The attacker started with tear gas in a dark room. Especially with more than one person holding a gun it would be difficult to shoot the right one.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1)

karnal (22275) | about 2 years ago | (#40710013)

Concealed Carry permits in Ohio are pretty much worthless (I know, we're talking Colorado here, but maybe it's similar?) Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) has signs posted at the entrances barring the firearm from the premises. Makes it kind of worthless to a point.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710127)

In Florida, such signs can safely be ignored if you have a concealed carry permit. Florida Statute dictates specifically places you shall not carry. It always struck me as odd that the Post Office was one such place...

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710055)

I have a concealed carry permit, and do so on a daily basis. Assuming someone in the theater had a weapon on them, it would have been difficult for them to react safely. It's a crowded theater. I understand there was teargas involved. People would have been running around, screaming. Unless you happened to be within direct proximity to the gunman it would have been almost impossible to fire your weapon without hitting an innocent or three, and that would have prevented me personally.

Add to the fact that if you draw your weapon in a crowded theater with panic going on around you, you are automatically going to be assumed to the the gunman.

It's hard to judge without being there, but the best option for someone in that position quite likely would have been to stay low and return fire only if under direct threat.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710047)

It would of been better if everyone in the audience was armed. There would of been no shooting then... right?

There would have been one person shot by the shooter(maybe) maybe they died maybe not. and then the Shooter would have been dead.
one injury(maybe one death) , and one less scumbag on the earth.

VS

15 killed, 50 shot and wounded.
and 1 scumbag sitting in a federal housing unit on taxpayer money for life.

I choose option 1. ...but you are of course trying to imply that no one should have guns. Because you have no respect for the constitution, and those great men who GAVE you this country and this life in it.

You are fail.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1, Insightful)

Jesus_C_of_Nazareth (2629713) | about 2 years ago | (#40710061)

A bunch of panicking civilians discharging firearms in a crowded and smoke-filled theater is the American dream.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710137)

Yeah, that's what a dark, crowded theater people needs - more people with guns shooting blindly. Great idea.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709889)

Sounds like he did have gun control. The gunman killed 14. But how 'bout some realism, eh? (sarcasm) Gun control is so effective... (/sarcasm)

What we need is idiot control. Not gun control. Stop coddling the morons and if they use a toaster in the bathtub? Too bad. We'd get rid of a bunch of idiots the old fashioned way... natural selection.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40710113)

That guy just got naturally selected over the people he shot. In other words, the old fashioned way is extremely cruel and dumb, and not really what you want.

IMHO what we need instead are actively good things, like love and whatnot. I don't care if it sounds cheesy, "love" is a shorthand for a lot of things. You could also call it self-respect and sanity, whatever.

One thing is sure, punishment alone won't work. It just creates people and industries who have a roof over their head because criminals exist, and ultimately a stake in their continued existence. As much as I kinda wish this guy gets the chair, or just "accidentally" rolled over on the way to the prison, we seriously need to look further and deeper than just playing whack-a-mole with symptoms... :/

Seriously ... it's not the wild-west anymore ... (0, Troll)

acidfast7 (551610) | about 2 years ago | (#40709911)

impose strict laws like the rest of the first-world-west (even CH, which is strict, in the must-have-a-gun-direction) but this do-whatever-you-want-with-gunownership has got to slop

Re:Seriously ... it's not the wild-west anymore .. (-1, Offtopic)

acidfast7 (551610) | about 2 years ago | (#40709983)

why I am getting modded as a "troll" because you clowns can't decide if you want/don't want weapons.

Re:Seriously ... it's not the wild-west anymore .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710089)

You seriously think that banning guns will stop people, especially those that don't care about laws, from owning guns and using them? You honestly think that by enacting strict laws shootings will stop? Guns won't stop being produced and guns won't stop being obtainable. The cat is out of the bag. The best thing you can do is teach those who would be willing to take on the responsibility of gun ownership how to properly handle and use their firearm(s). If you knew one of 10 people were carrying (statistically), you would be _much_ less apt to try and pull off a stunt like this and if you did try, there would be (statistically) quite a few people willing and able to stop your threat. But just telling people to enact laws to make the problem go away... you mean like making marijuana illegal made it go away, right? If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will carry guns.

Re:Seriously ... it's not the wild-west anymore .. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710021)

impose strict laws like the rest of the first-world-west (even CH, which is strict, in the must-have-a-gun-direction) but this do-whatever-you-want-with-gunownership has got to slop

Yeah, such an event could NEVER happen in a place with sane gun laws.

Like Norway [wikipedia.org]

Oh, wait.

You're a knee-jerk, unthinking twerp.

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | about 2 years ago | (#40710065)

Because it works so well in DC...

Re:how 'bout some gun control... (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#40710097)

The actions of a few will be used to punish everyone in that case. Every single incident of misuse will likely be met with cries to punish all gun owners.

Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' rule (1, Funny)

Pecisk (688001) | about 2 years ago | (#40709845)

I don't understand, in the past there was sometimes very strict rules in bars and pubs not to carry gun there. I don't care that you carry a gun for self protection on street. Why they were made obsolete?

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709869)

Read TF summary, numbnuts. Had the audience been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#40709917)

How would the people in that audience being armed, in a dark theater, with fucking smoke from the smoke grenades he tossed in before he started shooting, have made much of a difference at all?

How long did this incident go on? A minute? According to CNN he killed 12 people (their revised figure) and wounded 50 more. Even Quick Draw McGraw wouldn't have been able to stop him from killing a few people. Those people would have died whether the audience was armed or not...

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#40710057)

Add smoke to panicked people carrying guns and that would had made a big difference,

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

engun (1234934) | about 2 years ago | (#40709939)

Umm... Would the name calling gentleman be so kind as to explain, why incidents like this are very rare in countries which do not provide ready access to guns to the general public?

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (2, Insightful)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | about 2 years ago | (#40710085)

Umm... Would the name calling gentleman be so kind as to explain, why incidents like this are very rare in countries which do not provide ready access to guns to the general public?

Ah, my good ol' friend correlation does not imply causality. Now, rather than explain anything I'll simply point out that number 4 on the list of gun ownership/capita is Switzerland where incidents like this are rare. So perhaps you would be so kind as to explain why you jump to such glib conclusions as to the cause of this incident.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 years ago | (#40710087)

In China this would have just been a knife attack instead of a shooting.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (3, Interesting)

niko9 (315647) | about 2 years ago | (#40710143)

Umm... Would the name calling gentleman be so kind as to explain, why incidents like this are very rare in countries which do not provide ready access to guns to the general public?

Anders Breivik got all his guns and explosives ingedients legally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik [wikipedia.org] These shootings abroad --in both countries that do and don't have easy access to guns-- are becoming more common. Maybe it's a refelction on society and not access to inanimate objects?

Also, where I live in New York City, that is, we still have very strict gun control and that hasn't done one thing for the massive spike of shotting recently.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

tdelaney (458893) | about 2 years ago | (#40709945)

Your'e absolutely right. The entire audience should have been armed so that instead of one nutjob shooting there would also be tens or hundreds of people shooting wildly in all directions as they hear gunshots and see someone near them with a gun.

And all the bloodshed would have been avoided.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (2, Interesting)

niko9 (315647) | about 2 years ago | (#40710029)

Yes, you are correct. Because ordinary people with guns won't know how to react in the presence of criminals with guns and innocent bystanders will get maimed and shot by bullets flying everywhere.

We can't possibly have, say, a 63 year old, getting off 4 shots in under 3 seconds --all of which hit both criminals-- in a crowded internat cafe: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/19035444/customer-shoots-suspects-during-internet-cafe-robbery [myfoxorlando.com]

Nope. We will quickly forget the aforementioned incident becuase innocent lives we *not* lost. But gun control advocates will dance in the blood of the victims of the Colorado shooting in an effort to cram more useless gun control down our throats.

Nope. We can't train ordinary people simple tactics and gun safety.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710031)

And all the bloodshed would have been avoided...

... next time around.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709955)

Yeah, it would have probably been much worse.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (4, Informative)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#40709885)

From what I read, the shooter came into the theater from outside through an emergency exit door. I don't know how he got it open, unless perhaps someone had propped it open to sneak their friends into the theater, that happens at my local theater all the time...

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (1)

Pecisk (688001) | about 2 years ago | (#40709949)

Yeah, that strange, because emergency exit door is usually closed from outside.

Ok, but that at least explains how man with two shotguns and in full armor can walk into cinema.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (4, Insightful)

niko9 (315647) | about 2 years ago | (#40709891)

Yes, of course. Becuase had that movie theatre had a sign the gunman would have said "Shucks" and turned right around and found another theatre.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (1)

Pecisk (688001) | about 2 years ago | (#40709935)

At least he would be forced to checked. 1 guy would have died instead of 14. I don't know, just my guess.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#40710073)

I doubt it, more than likely he burst in and started spraying wildly in the theater, probably within mere seconds, so even if half the people in that theater had been packing, they likely wouldn't have prevented anything. If anything, they probably would have increased the body count as they started shooting crazily in the dark and smoke filled theater (he threw a smoke grenade, remember? He was wearing a mask, the audience wasn't) and there probably would have been another half-dozen or so people killed.

Of the people I know who have a concealed carry license (we just got CC here in WI within the last year or so), only a handful have any real firearms handling experience, mostly through prior military service. Most everyone else just took the 4 hour course the state mandates. The fact that they're able to carry a firearm doesn't make me feel safer at all, and a few of the people actually scare me that they're legally allowed to carry concealed (stupid kids that think it makes them tough).

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (4, Informative)

vistapwns (1103935) | about 2 years ago | (#40710081)

What are you talking about? You do not get 'checked' when a business has a sign that says no guns, it simply means if you are a law abiding citizen with a CCW and someone finds out you have a gun in there, you will get charged. Of course, anyone who goes to these places to shoot people, is not going to care about the sign or being charged for breaking the business' no-guns policy.

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

petermgreen (876956) | about 2 years ago | (#40709941)

Do you think someone who is planning to commit multiple murders is going to care about a rule telling them they shouldn't bring their gun in? or care about setting off a metal detector as they barge-in?

Rules against bringing guns in are probablly good at reducing the damage when a fight gets out of hand (which is presumablly why bars and pubs had them) but they aren't going to stop premeditated attacks (indeed they may make them easier because they mean the regulars will be unable to fight back).

Re:Maybe same old 'leave your guns at entrance' ru (5, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 2 years ago | (#40709979)

I don't understand, in the past there was sometimes very strict rules in bars and pubs not to carry gun there. I don't care that you carry a gun for self protection on street. Why they were made obsolete?

It should be noted that this didn't happen in a bar or pub.

It should also be noted that shooting people is illegal. If you're inclined to obey laws, then you won't shoot them, even if you have a gun. If you're not inclined to obey them, then you're going to be willing to acquire and use a gun in spite of it being illegal.

And finally, it should be noted that even including this incident, the murder rate in Colorado is lower than it is in Washington DC, where owning a firearm is essentially illegal....

Actually it should be noted that, ignoring RATE, there are more murders in Washington DC (population 600k or so) than in Colorado (population 5.1 million or so) in a typical year.

Oblig: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709849)

Why so serious?

Jesus fucking Christ... (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#40709859)

The shooter should have at least done the world a favor and taken himself out, too. What a fucking piece of shit...

Re:Jesus fucking Christ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709937)

The shooter should have at least done the world a favor and taken himself out, too. What a fucking piece of shit...

No what we as a country needs to do is stop pussy footing around with these individuals. Sending them to jail is too good for them. The death sentence is too good. We need to get medieval on these people who are obviously guilty. Public torture over several months with medical staff to keep them alive and then finally execute them in the most agonizing ways possible. Cut there heads off afterwards and put the on pike for all to see. If people new you where going to suffer months of painful torture when caught doing this shit maybe they would think before killing masses of innocent people.

Re:Jesus fucking Christ... (4, Insightful)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | about 2 years ago | (#40710131)

Yes, because all those entirely reasonable people who make rational decisions about whether they should or should not commit mass murders would suddenly stop shooting tens of people due to fear of reprisal.

STAY AWAY FROM COLORADO !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709861)

It's dangerous there !!

I am not The Jerk !!

Get ready (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709865)

Pat downs and body scanners are coming to the movie theaters.

Re:Get ready (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40709943)

How would that have helped?

Re:Get http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/2ready (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709993)

It wouldn't, but now there's a nice pretext to put body scanners!

Re:Get ready (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about 2 years ago | (#40710035)

One or two dead TSA-types and (most likely) one dead gunman, vs. 12 dead, ~50 injured, a protracted media frenzy during an expensive court trial, then a series of appeals, culminating in probable incarceration and maybe execution?

Re:Get ready (4, Informative)

ThisOrThat (832791) | about 2 years ago | (#40710155)

"kicked in an emergency exit door", if it's like some theaters I've been to the emergency exit door exits to the outside where there would be no such security.

God Bless America (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709887)

Bet they all were talking during the movie.

Rotten Tomato (2)

Muramas95 (2459776) | about 2 years ago | (#40709897)

Wow they really get pissed off when you block their access to Rotten tomato http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/07/19/the-dark-knight-rises-raises-ugly-debate-on-rotten-tomatoes [wsj.com]

Re:Rotten Tomato (2)

firex726 (1188453) | about 2 years ago | (#40710059)

Well RT is owned by WB, and guess who produced this movie?

I'm sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710145)

I laughed.

15 min in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709901)

Way to go fucker, that move was great, how dare you interupt it with your phyco rampage, I'd want at least a refund on my ticket.

Now there's an aggressive movie (0, Flamebait)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#40709909)

It caused violence even before it was shown.

And as ever... (5, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | about 2 years ago | (#40709923)

While we can go to great lengths to guard against some types of security threat, we are reminded once again that the greatest risk is often from somebody who decides to take something lethal to a crowded place and do his worst with it.

People in the thread already engaging in partisan political speculation about motives relating to the film's plot or controversies surrounding it. Give it a rest, guys - too soon. It'll all come out in due course, but there's every chance it was nothing more than somebody with a random grievance picking a target area he knew would be crowded.

If you want attention (4, Insightful)

cgfsd (1238866) | about 2 years ago | (#40709931)

If you want attention, just post a sex tape like everyone else. Make love, not war

lol (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709933)

Amerikans ask why other countries look down on them as savages, well here you go fatties. Instead of doing the sensible thing and banning firearms there will be a vigil with candles and some hurumphing from white people and then it will be forgotten about just like every other self inflicted tragedy. Why? The constitution is why. A document written when over half the citizens of the country still spent most of the day focused on food (either hunting or farming) that most put on some religious level, which if intelligent people have let religion go since it's outdated maybe amerikans can let go of their out dated constitution and get a new one.

Guns are not needed in a modern western society. Only the fucked up places like the US, Czechs, and the Swiss seem to need them to masturbate or something.

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710009)

He is a German exchange student who went to Colorado from Tennesee intent on doing a Columbine.

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710025)

What's wrong with the Swiss? It's a country where almost every (male) citizen has a firearm at home, but there's not so much crime/accidents in proportion!

To be Expected (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about 2 years ago | (#40709957)

He was just combining his right to bare arms with his right to free speech.

Minus several million for style (-1, Troll)

pr0t0 (216378) | about 2 years ago | (#40709961)

He could have at least dressed up as The Joker.

shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709971)

people who wanted to watch the movie got everything they deserved and more if they got shot. pity he didnt kill more.

False Flag (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709989)

Kinda coincidental it happen when the US government is ramping up gun control, don't ya fink?

Fire up the Gun Control! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40709995)

We need that quick fix! Blame the Guns! Thats the Answer!

Don't blame the Society that desires a movie that glorifies violence and subversive behavior!

Don't blame the School that grinds down the individual.

Don't blame the Friends that saw a lost person and walked away.

Don't blame the Parents that watched Wheel of Fortune instead of constructive activities.

Nah, it must be the tools.

Fuck Yeah, Murrika! (0)

KraxxxZ01 (2445360) | about 2 years ago | (#40710005)

Where flying jet propulsion aircraft is safer than going to cinema.

Would this be a story if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710041)

Would this be a Slashdot story if the shooting had occurred at a showing of "Magic Mike" or "Madea's Witness Protection" rather than "The Dark Knight Rises"?

Not to demean the original tragedy, or those involved in it, but lots of unpleasant things of this calibre or worse happen all the time and don't make it here because it isn't- and isn't meant to be- a general news site.

pure math (1)

dogganos (901230) | about 2 years ago | (#40710105)

add a Hollywood feeding endless violence, and a gun culture and guess what you get.

The true enemy... (5, Interesting)

MetricT (128876) | about 2 years ago | (#40710141)

Isn't brown people, or gay people, or Muslims. It's crazy. Crazy is the root cause behind most of mankind's problems, be that war or criminal behavior or just everyday sociopathic behavior.

We need a "war on crazy", free mental healthcare for all and easing the ability for family and friends to compel treatment, coupled with increased government spending on treatment for mental illnesses.

Except there's more money to be made in cleaning up after other people's crazy (defense and police and corrections spending) than there is in trying to prevent it. So it'll never happen.

My condolences to all those affected.

Blame the Gun! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40710151)

Don't blame the society that demands a movie that glorifies violence and subversiveness!

Don't blame the School that grinds the individual.

Don't blame the Friends that saw the pain and walked away

Don't blame the Parents that watched TV and ignored their child.

Don't blame the Individual that made a horrible choice.

Yeah, it must bee the tool used because we are too lazy t o fix the real problems.

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