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Facebook and Wal-Mart Join Forces

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the planning-our-future dept.

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Jeremiah Cornelius writes "Wal-Mart — the retail king of Big Data analytics — will be meeting Mark Zuckerberg for two days in Bentonville, to 'deepen' their relationship with Facebook. The CEO-level strategy summit is intended to bolster the relationship between the world's No. 1 social network and the world's largest retailer. Wal-Mart has been left in the dust online by the behemoth Amazon. An alliance may be poised to challenge this dominance, particularly in light of Amazon's planned foray into same-day delivery nationwide. The companies share James Breyer, who sits on the boards of both Facebook and Wal-Mart. Adding another angle to this, Yahoo's new CEO, Marissa Mayer, was elected to Wal-Mart's board in early June, while she was still at Google. Earlier this month, Facebook and Yahoo settled a patent dispute and announced plans to form another 'strategic alliance' involving advertising and distribution. The implications for online privacy in this series of relationships are uncertain."

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proper axis of evil (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711069)

Great, at least I can now channel all my negative thougts to one partnership.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

amoeba1911 (978485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711261)

Great, at least I can now channel all my negative thougts to one partnership.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw this headline.
Soon we will be able to combine the sites http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ [peopleofwalmart.com] and http://failbook.failblog.org/ [failblog.org] into one.

Re:proper axis of evil (2)

Teun (17872) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711787)

But can you really handle more info about the people of walmart then what the photo's already tell?

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711845)

But can you really handle more info about the people of walmart then what the photo's already tell?

Walmart could also be a huge place to gather data. I bet there is a gigantic correlation between users of EBT cards and Obama voters.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712173)

You forgot to add 'your mom'

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713885)

I doubt this. Gun loving redneck white trash don't tend to vote for Obama.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711591)

And what about RIAA+MPAA? Both wings of the NeoCon Party? Monsanto? Any Muslim who obeys the Koran? Christian fundies? The whole of Wall Street? ${RACE}-supremacists? Communist Party of China?

There's lots of evil both in Facebook and WalMart, but they're nowhere near the top of evilness chart.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Known Nutter (988758) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712239)

Literal interpretation is literal.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712731)

It amuses me how your demand for attention is so desperate that you simply HAD to put up something, ANYTHING that had your screen name attached to it, even if it's a considerably pace-breaking killjoy response to something that was very obviously a single-shot joke post, adding absolutely nothing in the process.

It's like you saw this you-shaped hole in the conversation, and, dagnabbit, you just HAD to fill it, because otherwise that's just not right! Imagine, a conversation without your name in it! It'd be absurd!

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

NerdmastaX (1749114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713579)

It amuses me how your demand for attention is so desperate that you simply HAD to put up something, ANYTHING that had your screen name attached to it, even if it's a considerably pace-breaking killjoy response to something that was very obviously a single-shot joke post, adding absolutely nothing in the process.

It's like you saw this you-shaped hole in the conversation, and, dagnabbit, you just HAD to fill it, because otherwise that's just not right! Imagine, a conversation without your name in it! It'd be absurd!

chicken butt... and thats all i have to say...

Re:proper axis of evil (5, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711727)

I always hear a lot of negative things about Walmart, but I have no problem with them. They don't do anything that other stores are not equally guilty of. So if I boycotted Walmart for being "evil" then I'd have to boycott all the stores, and have nowhere left to shop.

The man who founded Walmart wanted to provide good products at a low price, so the low-income people in rural America could afford to live a middle-income lifestyle. James Cash Penney had a similar mission when he was a young man (his first store was called The Golden Rule... referencing the bible). After these men died both of their stores made mistakes, but they still follow the same root goal: Provide products at reasonable prices which people can afford to buy. Jeans for $15, shirts for $10, TVs for $100, food at 10-20% less than other stores, and so on.

Re:proper axis of evil (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711971)

They don't do anything that other stores are not equally guilty of.

Independently owned stores pay better and treat their employees better than walmart.

So if I boycotted Walmart for being "evil" then I'd have to boycott all the stores, and have nowhere left to shop.

Only because Walmart has used its size to drive independent competitors out of the market.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712083)

Independently owned stores pay better and treat their employees better than walmart.

I worked at Walmart for a summer. To what poor treatment was I supposedly subjected?

Re:proper axis of evil (1, Informative)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712343)

"I worked at Walmart for a summer. To what poor treatment was I supposedly subjected?"

Unlivable wages, and if you deny they pay garbage and they most CERTAINLY can afford more then you're delusional. I live right near a walmart and no one working their makes enough to save for a rainy day.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712489)

He's probably a gen. Y'er and used to it, all companies do that to gen. Y'ers. But I remember my dad's stories of "job security" and "livable wages." I won't forget.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713305)

Or he/his family did not live in the US for long. Yea, *your* parents had job security and livable wages for many years.

My parents had to work multiple jobs to support the family while they're teenagers. Never had a chance to go into post secondary education of course.

My grandfather even had to abandon all his wealth (and from what I heard, he had a lot) when the Communists came. Ran out the back door and had to swim across a river with nothing but the shirt on his back. Lost everything. No security there.

Oh, and the concept of "move out of parents house"? The only good reason to do so is when you marry (sometimes not even then - have the wife move in), otherwise you save the money by staying home. When the US saw that increasingly happen to its own people, they think it's horrible. Many of us in the rest of the world thinks that's just normal and common sense

I'm not saying everybody should just accept the crap they're given. I'm saying don't take all that good stuff for granted.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712499)

Walmart certainly treated employees better than McDonald's. I tend to assume that the alternatives to minimum-wage retail jobs aren't high-wage retail jobs; they're unpaid internships or no job at all.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712789)

My next door neighbor works at our local walmart and she's doing fine. Granted I've not looked at her checkbook but she bought
  new car last year and has enough money to have her yard professionally landscaped, as well professional lawn maintenance.
I used to live in a condo and the guy next to me worked for walmart. He left walmart to work for a local car dealership in sales, but went back
to walmart after 9 months because the pay was better and more stable. Both he and his wife work, but they make enough to own a house
and raise a kid. I asked him about it once and he told me it was about double the minimum wage. (Which will get you by in the midwest.)

I'm not going to argue that walmart pays great wages, but they aren't as bad as people make it out to be.

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713185)

It's all relative. Store Managers get paid very well. People that work in the distribution centers get paid well. They pay market value and sometimes more. when people discuss the low wages Walmart pays they mean stockers, greeters and cashiers. I worked as a stocker in the 90s for Walmart. They paid about $2 more an hour than most other stores for that same job in the area. Not sure what the cashiers were being paid.

Sure Walmart could pay their employees well over what the job market see's them worth, but it's the same way with most companies. Seems to me people just have an issue with the low wages of a common worker and take it out on Walmart as it's an entity in which blame can be placed.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40714541)

This guy is just another slash dot asshole who thinks a guy who pushes a broom deserves as much pay as the president because socialism or whatever you want to call it is on the rise. They think under anything but capitalism and hard work everyone will be equal.Ha ha ha yeah equally stupid, lazy and poor.

Although I have more respect for a guy working at Walmart than some welfare bum any day, most Walmart people where I live are dumber than most slash dot people and that says a lot.

Re:proper axis of evil (2)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712835)

My brother used to work at walmart too.. He would sometimes be the ONLY employee in the back half of the store, during the christmas rush, because employees were sent home after 39 hours of work for the week, no exceptions.. He would also ask for time off, months in advance, and then when they built the schedule a week or two before, they would put him down to work it, and threaten to fire him if he didn't.. I hear thats changed in the last few years..

Re:Evil bosses (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40714487)

I had a boss do that once, I surprised the hell out of everyone when I showed up at work. (My brother, Maharishi Bob, was a sight when he dropped by later as I'd given him my ticket. Mick Jagger threw a bucket of water at him.)

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712143)

>>>Independently owned stores pay better and treat their employees better than walmart.

That's a nice religious belief you have there, but not true. I worked for a local "independent" store and it never did pay me for my last week of work. I entered my time in the timecard, but the manager never apprroved it, so no paycheck was ever issed. POINT: Independent stores can be just as evil as Walmart, and because they are low-profile, get away with it.

Re:proper axis of evil (2)

ieatcookies (1490517) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713367)

It's not an excuse to treat employees badly, but, if it's bad enough there is nothing forcing people to work there. Possibly the alternative is no job at all, in which case walmart is still a step up. As for driving competitors out for the market: welcome to capitalism.

Re:proper axis of evil (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713767)

Independently owned stores pay better and treat their employees better than walmart.

Crock of shit. Let me repeat that, crock of lying shit. First, I've worked at a walmart about 9 years ago. One of the first to open in Southern Ontario after they bought out Woolco I was treated better, and paid nearly $6/hr more than min. wage. Second, the quality of the management vastly improved. Especially after the corporate office went through and cleaned house. This has apparently held true, as a buddy of mine is working at the same store(which is now a super centre) and still paying $6/hr more than min. wage.

His other job, well he works at a gas station. He makes around $1/hr over min. wage. His employer like many others up here treats him like dirt, there's no other work options available either, as no one else is hiring. The biggest whiners seem to be the angsty teenagers who don't show up for their shifts, and then wonder why they don't get any hours. Well..duh, they're not reliable.

Only because Walmart has used its size to drive independent competitors out of the market.

I keep hearing that, but funny enough independent competitors around here in this city of ~40k seem to be doing just fine. Even the small businesses, in fact if anything, they seem to be doing more business now than they did 10 years ago. As the walmart has brought more business in from outlying areas. Other cities seem to be "suffering" the same fate up here, they're busier now than before. One can only hope Target does the same thing.

Re:proper axis of evil (2)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | more than 2 years ago | (#40714113)

Independently owned stores pay better ...

Stores that pay better also employ a different class of people. My local Walmart has one employee in a wheelchair, another looks like she has Down's Syndrome, several are elderly, none are very bright. These people are on the bottom rung of the economic ladder. Walmart is helping society by making these people employable. Other stores may pay more, but is it really a good thing for our society that they employ bright, capable people as floor sweepers and shelf stockers?

Re:proper axis of evil (0)

DogDude (805747) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712585)

The man who founded Walmart wanted to provide good products at a low price, so the low-income people in rural America could afford to live a middle-income lifestyle.

Don't forget that they treat their employees like shit. But hey, what does that matter when you can get jeans for $15, right? Happy shopping.

Re:proper axis of evil (2)

OldSport (2677879) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712929)

You need to look beyond the bare economics for the consumer to see what all the hidden costs are. Wal-mart stuff is cheaper, but it's also of far inferior quality, which means you need to replace the stuff far more frequently, which means more and more needs to be produced, which ends up costing the consumer the same amount in the end and meanwhile is polluting the shit out of the Asian countryside. Food is cheaper because it comes from massive corporations who are up to their necks in government subsidies. And so on and so forth. It's *never* as simple as "good products for low prices."

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713715)

And how about their history of coercing local governments to force the construction of mega-marts that the residents do not want?

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711779)

Don't you need three to make a *truly* proper axis?

e.g. Germany, Japan, Italy; Iran, Iraq, North Korea

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712307)

Standard Slashdot dogma is to assume that Microsoft is involved in anything you don't like.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

Xphile101361 (1017774) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712355)

That was my first thought as well.

Re:proper axis of evil (1)

glodime (1015179) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713053)

I think the yahoo and google connection was clearly stated.

Wow (4, Funny)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711079)

Facebook and Wal-Mart. That's certainly a marriage made in... well, somewhere significant definitely.

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

RKThoadan (89437) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711131)

I believe the location you are looking for is Wall Street.

Re:Wow (2)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711289)

I was unaware that Hades had a Wall Street too. :P

Re:Wow (5, Funny)

MSojka (83577) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711407)

I was unaware that Hades had a Wall Street too. :P

It's in the rather shady part of Hades and they don't like to talk about it.

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711661)

I was unaware that Hades had a Wall Street too. :P

Where else did you think we copied the idea from?

Good thing Satan didn't copyright/patent the thing, or there'd be (*puts on sunglasses*) hell to pay

Re:Wow (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713215)

A large portion of hades' inhabitants are originally from Wall Street. Kind of hard for someone from wall street to wind up anywhere else.

Re:Wow (2)

c (8461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712151)

> Facebook and Wal-Mart. That's certainly a marriage made in... well, somewhere
> significant definitely.

Let's just say that the pre-nuptual is signed with a lot of dark red ink.

Compleeetely different... (2)

klingers48 (968406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711085)

...Because this isn't at all like the current Doctor Who / Star Trek: Next Generation crossover series where the Borg team up with the Cybermen, is it?

Re:Compleeetely different... (1)

bman49er (2518184) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711239)

"You will be assimilated...and then perish under maximum deletion" Yeah...I'd pay to see it.

Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711183)

It's extremely simple.

Wal-Mart's website sucks on a level that is so difficult to describe I would simply advise visiting it to see for yourself.

It's like someone took a hundred teenagers and told them to build a retail website. Nothing fits together right, product descriptions are wrong, incomplete, confusing, and difficult to read. The site itself is difficult to navigate. The search engine is a joke.

All that comes together to create this conglomeration of a website that doesn't fit together well and has no hope of building an online community - which is what it takes for any website to be successful.

The only exception might be their photo website, which I would give a C if I were to grade it. It's at least functional - though for the world's largest retailer, it's much less than anyone would expect.

They also are failing to use their biggest advantage - they've got DCs and retail fronts EVERYWHERE. Yet their shipping is not competitive at all, let a lone their prices. More often then not, you can save a substantial amount of money visiting their store vs online. Their marketing on their own website is terrible, too.

I'm not sure what facebook is going to do for them, I think it shows how out-of-touch with their own failings the corporations executives are. Clearly they don't understand the problem, which to me says they need to replace not just a few but a lot of the management around their internet presence.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711381)

Think personal data and interlinkages.

Facebook has a huge amount of personal information. Wal-Mart has shopping information. If Wal-Mart can link facebook accounts to shopping card accounts, well...

Bob makes a comment saying "just bought a piece of shit water boiler at Wal-Mart". Facebook scans in real time for mentions of Wal-Mart and flags it up. Ten seconds later, someone is looking side by side at Bob's Facebook page and a list of his recent purchases, which store he bought it at and who was on the job when he did. Depending on how many Friends Bob has and their comments they can respond to him instantly.

I hope they know what they are doing because there are so many ways this can go wrong.

E.g. it could even be too successful where people bitch out Wal-Mart to get them to respond, if they know that is what they do.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712379)

It can have dire consequences too:

Say someone posts that they got a POS water boiler. FB hands the info to WM, WM hands it to their legal team, and the poster gets served the same day with a tort for libel. In fact, all it takes is some basic grep-fu and a script to look for mentions of products, then have it handed to the legal team to turn into items to be filed, likely in a court or district far, far away from where the defendant lives.

Or, on a simpler basis, find people whom to ban from their stores. Nothing like finding you are under arrest for criminal trespass the second you check out, because a couple days ago you grumbled about a surly greeter on your FB wall.

Of course, don't forget what happens when the guys who know what you buy and eat combine forces with the guys who know who you interact with. Health insurance companies will love to know what people buy to eat in order to find an excuse to hike premiums or kick someone off.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711473)

I'd rather drink toilet water or read slash dot than ever step foot in a Walmart ever again. Walmart is proof society is coming to an end as we know it.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711515)

wal mart has these things called brick and mortar stores that a lot of people shop at. they have food and beverages that people usually buy in a store. they also have lots of other things like clothing and toiletries that are easier to buy in a store than online.

why buy my iphone online if i'm going to wal mart to buy some milk and other necessities?

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711605)

You really expect the people of Walmart to keep a working computer and their internet bills paid?

The most advanced tech they can operate is the play button on the dvd.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711713)

not my favorite store, but i've bought clothes at wal mart that have outlasted stuff i bought from the hippy and snobby stores. usually anything from Gap/banana republic is the worst and tears up in a few weeks

some of the $100 jeans i have from lucky and diesel can't last as long as some of my wal mart stuff

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712077)

not my favorite store, but i've bought clothes at wal mart that have outlasted stuff i bought from the hippy and snobby stores. usually anything from Gap/banana republic is the worst and tears up in a few weeks

some of the $100 jeans i have from lucky and diesel can't last as long as some of my wal mart stuff

So then, you're surprised when paying 4x what something is worth does not result in a quality product? Did you think honest retailers with quality products who want you to have a satisfying experience would overcharge you by that much? Hahahaha. Man, by contrast only, you're illustrating the virtue of putting the slightest bit of thought into one's decisions...

$100 jeans are for suckers. There's one born every minute, right? Certain companies love that, you know. Gap and Banana Republic are for teenyboppers who think a designer name will impress people whose opinions really were never valuable to begin with.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713661)

"The most advanced tech they can operate is the play button on the dvd."

I'm going to have to call BS on that one. They can quite easily navigate on-screen menus to order UFC pay-per-view fights, thank you very much.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (5, Insightful)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711775)

Wal-Mart does not want you to use their website. Online shopping allows for informed decision making: you can easily compare prices of similar goods both within their own catalog and competitor's. You can find product and manufacturer reviews, look at price and sales history, etc. All of that runs counter to Wal-Mart's methodology of preying on underinformed customers. Wal-Mart maintains a low-price reputation by a small subset of inventory. That subset is indeed cheap, but visibly so: poor materials, flimsy construction, awkward designs, etc. But their other inventory isn't priced the same way, typically it's priced higher than you find elsewhere. So people who come for the cheap item but, seeing how crappy it is, go for the "next model up" pay more than they need. People who come for and buy the cheap item but end up with other impulse buys pay more than they need. People who do all their shopping at Wal-Mart because they assume the advertised pricing on the cheap subset is reflective of store-wide prices pay more than they need. Having informed customers would be terrible for their business. Sure, with their tightly integrated supply chain management they could turn a good profit even if they acted more ethically, but Wall Street looks down on executives that grow a business organically.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

bitt3n (941736) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712545)

acted more ethically

Since when is charging the price that will make you the most money unethical? Why is it Walmart's fault that people don't shop around? You sound like Hugo Chavez.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (2)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713643)

It is unethical when it relies on deception and preying on ignorance.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713679)

It is unethical when you use your size to bully smaller shops, force them to shut down, generate a monopoly in the local market, and bully your employees all while doing that.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (3, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712579)

Wal-Mart's website sucks on a level that is so difficult to describe I would simply advise visiting it to see for yourself.

A while ago I was in a Wal-Mart shopping for a waterproof camera for my sister. I had to see what models were available near where I was staying and email her a list to choose from. I saw that each camera had a little QR code on the price tag sticker below it and figured "oh handy, a link to the product page! I'll copy this to my list!"

I pulled out my phone, scanned it, and it was a link to the Wal-Mart homepage |:-(

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 2 years ago | (#40714261)

I'm willing to be that the department that created those encoded links to the product pages, but some other department disabled deep linking and redirects everything to the home page.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713405)

The search engine is a joke. - agreed

Search for shampoo; the first hit is a massager for your head.

Re:Why Amazon beats Wal-Mart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713551)

They WANT their website to suck. If you are forced to visit the actual store you are more likely to spend more money on other things as well.

Outcome certain (5, Insightful)

gsslay (807818) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711221)

"The implications for online privacy in this series of relationships are uncertain."

I think they are very certain. This will, as with every collaboration of large corporations who seek and retain your information, result in increased use of personal (and often private) information to increase the market and profits of the corporation. Any possible benefit to the customer will be inconsequential and very debatable.

Use facebook? Expect a confusing change in privacy policy to follow, with associated double-speak explanation that demonstrates how it's all being done for your benefit, not theirs. Thereafter expect to have a relationship with Walmart on a personal level you may not be comfortable with, whether you shop there or not.

Re:Outcome certain (3, Insightful)

fallen1 (230220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711621)

I've been considering killing my Facebook account for a while. This just speeds up the process. I only use it to keep up with Birthdays and to network for local business opportunities. I believe I can find alternative means for those.

Hell, I believe everyone should find an alternative to Facebook since the giant, soul-sucking monster that is Wal-mart is joining forces with them. All hail Great Cthulu!

Re:Outcome certain (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711909)

The real question, though, is whether this new touchy-feely (in-)Ya-Face-Mart board triumvirate means we should be killing our Yahoo accounts.

Pray that you've left nothing of personal value on your flickr and mail there, 'cuz if you haven't deleted those then you're about to find yourself automagically registered to Facebook. (Again.)

Re:Outcome certain (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711707)

You're right about the privacy thing but really what a .... how do I say this ... proverbial wankery fest ...

I'm trying to picture how this WallMart + Facebook meeting would take place and what would fuel more than what a 10 min phone call wouldn't achieve.

"Hi Facebook we suck online can you help"
"Yes we can set you up with some online ads"

I mean how else is FB going to help? FB doesn't sell stuff they are not eBay, FB doesn't manage personal web solutions millions of businesses out there that can do that, FB doesn't handle payment solutions, system security or do a very good job in the mobile market. So how valuable is this data? Is the like button doing this? How proven/convertible is it?

So what in the worldly fuck will FB do other than sell people's personal data through marketing strategies? We've seen similar with the FB+GM agreement, so how much is this data really worth? Will it substantiate the colossal market cap this company has?

Note to self (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711257)

Stop by the ATM machine before going to Wal-Mart so I can pay with cash.

Re:Note to self (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711353)

Don't worry, their facial and license plate recognition system knows who you are.

Re:Note to self (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711411)

Correlating Walmart's Security Cameras with their register transactions and using Facebook's facial recognition algorithms could make anonymous transactions with cash a thing of the past.

Re:Note to self (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711579)

That won't help once the facial recognition database gets up to speed.
I often amuse myself imagining what sort of picture my (outlying) stats have provided to big brother.
Beer
Raw pizza ingredients
Weird little bits o' hardware
nothing else.
I guess they probably have a fairly accurate reading, somehow filling in the blanks with projections from others.

Re:Note to self (4, Funny)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711663)

WalMart Shopping List:
Cucumbers
Condoms
Large Gatorade

Facebook Status:
Single

Re:Note to self (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712701)

Most slashdotters would probably prefer to pick up a watermelon or pumpkin and a spade drill bit (plus a drill and a microwave, if they don't have one already).

Re:Note to self (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712797)

Cucumbers AND Single Status - Check
Condoms AND Cucumbers AND Single Status - Check
Large Gatorade .... ERROR, unexpected parameter in Line 3

Re:Note to self (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713869)

You have to rehydrate afterward.

time for a UNION AT WAL-MART page on facebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711299)

time for a UNION AT WAL-MART page on facebooktime for a UNION

Together (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711349)

They will rule the galaxy as father and son!

wal-mart brand (1)

vpness (921181) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711375)

I don't see the type of customer that amazon serves the same as the one that walmart does. Amazon's seems more in competition with 'target' type of consumer. It'll be interesting to watch this play out, as facebook doesn't really have the same type of brand associated with it like a walmart or target. I don't see consumers who've been buying stuff from amazon now saying 'gee, I can buy crappy stuff from wal-mart on facebook, sign me up !'

Wal-mart + Facebook + Facial Recognition (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711385)

= FaceMart

Re:Wal-mart + Facebook + Facial Recognition (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712713)

The IT Crowd would probably refer to it as "WallFace".

One more reason to not join FacePlace (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711399)

Not that I needed one more reason since I already have enough.

Seems legit (2)

torgis (840592) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711409)

It's almost as if they were intentionally trying to create the biggest, most evil company ever known to man.

Re:Seems legit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711459)

Halliburton is gonna be jealous.

It's always interesting (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711425)

When two or more companies that have no idea what they're doing join forces and convince themselves that, somehow together, they'll master the situation due to "synergy" or some other vague buzzword. It seemed like a lot of this happened when the first dot-com bubble burst, too.

Re:It's always interesting (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711477)

Mod parent up.

Re:It's always interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40712199)

agreed!
Walmart take advice from Sam when they want to (figuratively, because he is not alive anymore). They think they are the best because they are #1 (uh, #2 this year) on Fortune 500. They are only there because of the banks and investors and shady briberys, not because they are awesome retailers.

Once a better retailer steps up (and walmart will be sure to push them down) then thats where the current will shift, and it appears that retailer is Amazon (though smaller shops like NewEgg, MonoPrice, etc are starting to get much larger and will probably get bought out).

Zuckerberg (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711445)

Its unbelievable how much faith people have in this turd. When are people going to wake the fuck up and stop giving this moron money!!!

Re:Zuckerberg (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712665)

Once the hot new social network comes out, then they'll give some other evil bastard money.

double wretched (1)

Cartman's Mom (1956666) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711469)

Awesome. Explosive diarrhea and terminal flatulence are now working together for an even more body-wretching experience...

Hmm... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40711589)

It seems that in USA everybody is fucking with everybody. Business whoring.

Why all the hate? (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711735)

WalMart and FaceBook offer things that people seem willing to exchange money/information for. You can opt out anytime.

Whatever shenanigans they do pull are done through their enforcement arm, the government. Try opting out of that.

Re:Why all the hate? (5, Interesting)

causality (777677) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712387)

WalMart and FaceBook offer things that people seem willing to exchange money/information for. You can opt out anytime.

Actually you need friends with common sense (and actual respect for you, though why you'd be friends otherwise is a mystery...) and some technical skill. Otherwise it's quite difficult to prevent Facebook from ever knowing anything about you. If you had this idea that never personally visiting Facebook.com meant never being in Facebook's database, that's demonstrably false.

The average user of Facebook has little or no technical skill and thinks it is useful or valuable to collect superficial acquaintences. They tend not to realize that every "Like" button you see on a non-Facebook site is a tracking device even if it is not clicked. When you access a non-Facebook site with such a "Like" button, there is no opt-out form presented. You need tools like Adblock and NoScript (among others) to frustrate this form of tracking. You first need to be aware of what tracking is and how it works before you can defeat it, of course. For average users, this is hardly "opting out anytime". This is "they aren't even asking me, they're just taking the info they want while hoping I remain ignorant". This is inherently exploitative because it's done without informed consent.

Likewise, the effect Walmart tends to have on local businesses is difficult to opt out of. So is its impact on wages and benefits. Walmart knows how to play the retail game, that's for sure. They are in a stronger bargaining position than the localities they operate in and the workers they employ. They want to keep it that way, which is why they have so adamantly resisted unionization (unions have their own problems but actually would challenge this, and management knows it). Their overall effect tends to be the transfer of wealth out of local communities, rather than the creation of wealth within them. Maybe you're fine with that and maybe you'll make an apology for it, but in either case it's rather hard to simply opt out of.

I read this post in the voice of Obi-Wan (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711755)

"Facebook meets with Wal-Mart - it is a wretched hive of scum and villainy."

Why does this remind me of MS/Nokia? (2)

swb (14022) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711833)

While I'm sure Walmart's retail sales are probably solid, they kind of seem to be past their glory days somewhat. Many areas still resist a Wal Mart opening, there has been a lot of bad press and some court losses over labor practices, and so on. Lots of competion online from Amazon and in-store from Target, whose stores don't have the look or feel of a third-world bazaar.

Facebook, while still widely used, recently had some bad press about a slight downtick in membership, their IPO was something of a clusterfuck and the stock price has continued to decline as people speculate about their future and ability to generate revenue growth while facing constant bad press over repeated and widely criticized changes that undo privacy settings or expose information users had assumed was private.

So two companies kind of past their peak, facing pressure and uncertainty. I see why they turn to each other, but individually neither one seems to really burnish the reputation of the other, especially for Facebook, for whom a partnership seems to create a small-town, low-income kind of image.

WalMart online presence (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#40711843)

They already have one. Here [peopleofwalmart.com] .

MSNBC (3, Funny)

bradgoodman (964302) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712231)

This will be the greatest melding of core-comptencies since Microsoft and NBC...

Re:MSNBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40713167)

Or AOL and Time Warner...

soon on Facebook (5, Funny)

bitt3n (941736) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712403)

'Jane Smith just purchased Herceptin Herpes Medication and KY Jelly at Podunk Walmart [53 People Like This]'

The Implications of Privacy (1)

water-and-sewer (612923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40712871)

The Summary says, "the implications for privacy are uncertain." I say, what, are you blind? The implications are certain - certainly BAD.

The other side of the coin (0)

spaceman375 (780812) | more than 2 years ago | (#40713629)

I have been awaiting this for years for my (and everyone's) personal convenience. Yes, we will come up with all sorts of laws and violations, privileges and abuses, and some people will inevitably be wronged. Cars and trucks emit carcinogens but no one is championing going back to horses. Every single comment I've read has been all about the bugaboo paranoia, yet the vast majority of people will benefit from this.

I am specifically talking about replacing credit cards and cash. Combine location tracking and high quality facial recognition, put it in a "cash register," and I won't need to carry a wallet. No more PINs, no more swipe or bump of a card, no signature needed (I sign them with a backwards squiggle anyway.) I can't lose my face, and you can't steal it from me. No need to pass germs between checkout clerks and customers. Robbery of many kinds would drop, since the stores will have less cash on hand. But mostly I just want to not have to carry a wallet or type in a PIN in places where many others can watch.

Seriously, like everything else this has both good and bad aspects to it, but the good outweighs the bad by magnitudes here. Stop whining and start proposing appropriate laws and enforcements: It's easier to ride this horse in the direction its going 'cause it ain't gonna stop.

Don't Feed the Beast (1)

Angrywhiteshoes (2440876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40714239)

If you don't like them, don't shop there or use their services. I sure as hell don't.

Not to mention I'm tired of social media being crammed down our throats. I can't wait for that bubble to burst.

I live a wallmart and rapebook free life, and so can you.

Better article (2)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#40714437)

I was hoping the story linked under "Big Data analytics" would be interesting but it wasn't. It only has vague statements and a couple small examples. A much better story is "Target knows you're pregnant" from earlier this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.html?pagewanted=all [nytimes.com]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ [forbes.com]

Frends on Sale? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40714633)

Now I can buy 10 pack friends for $1.44!

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