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Microsoft Lays Out Money-Making Options For Windows Store Developers

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the price-guide dept.

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tsamsoniw writes "With the release of Windows 8 just around the corner, Microsoft is eager to see its Windows Store well stocked with third-party, Metro-friendly apps. Hoping to get developers on board, the company has announced pricing structure, along with guidance and tools to help developers create trial versions of apps and set up lucrative in-app purchases."

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Once the market matures (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40740857)

Aspiring developers could hope to get the total sales from both potential metro users.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

need4mospd (1146215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40740981)

I think Ballmer and his wife could get them free if they wanted though.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741195)

When I imagine Steve Ballmer wife, I imagine him with a blond wig and some ugly makeup.. scary thoughts...

Re:Once the market matures (1)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741769)

When I imagine Steve Ballmer wife, I imagine him with a blond wig and some ugly makeup.. scary thoughts...

Actually, they make a very [sharetv.org] nice [addamsfamily.com] couple.

Re:Once the market matures (0)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741201)

The lucrative in-app purchases in my metro app will involve throwing chairs.

Re:Once the market matures (2)

Dewin (989206) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741497)

The lucrative in-app purchases in my metro app will involve throwing chairs.

It could be a parody of angry birds, where you throw chairs at Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and others.

The first expansion pack would be "Angry Ballmer: Developers Developers Developers".

Re:Once the market matures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741709)

And I think Ballmer would just laugh for that. It's a funny idea, he's a cool guy AND it makes him and MS money.

Re:Once the market matures (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742387)

Actually, Ballmer is an old piece of shit that needs to die.

Re:Once the market matures (2)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741511)

Somewhat i doubt that the game "Angry Ballmers" get approved.

Re:Once the market matures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741639)

Probably wouldn't have a problem in iTunes or Google Play. I need to get busy.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741813)

Somewhat i doubt that the game "Angry Ballmers" get approved.

Ahem, I believe that would be "Angry Chairs".

Re:Once the market matures (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741441)

I fired up windows 8 preview to try to install the office 2013 preview and it is just as terrible as I remember as far as trying to navigate with a mouse. I have yet to try it with a touch screen, i'd be curious to know if the experience is any better, but I usually end up searching by text for what i'm looking for on the metro screen or brining up the run command with the winkey+r and running commands I can remember which not conducive of a new GUI. Also, office 2013 preview can not be installed on windows 8 preview if anybody was curious.

Re:Once the market matures (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40745353)

But the elephant in the room that nobody seems to be willing to accept is this....how many PCs do you honestly believe are gonna be sold with touchscreens?

As we saw recently both AMD and Intel are reporting worse projections for sales this year and yet we are supposed to believe that the answer is RAISING prices, in a dead economy, to throw on touchscreens? Really? Look at the prices for touchscreens folks they ain't cheap. Sure you can get a buggy PITA resistive but its still gonna cost a good $75-$100 more than the same screen without and as we all know resistive sucks ass. Even with economies of scale and the OEMs shaving to the bone for decent capacitive touchscreens in laptops and desktops you are talking a good $150+ more than current units cost.

Let me tell ya that as a PC retailer in the trenches, and talking to other retailers that frankly the "sweet spot" for a good 75%+ of your PC sales out there are between $350-$500, with the biggest sellers being the $400-$450 laptops. Go into any B&M that sells PCs and count how many AMD laptops you see, the stores will be full of them because that's the only way to hit the crucial price point with Intel pushing chips that are frankly too expensive as it is.

Mark my words....windows 8? The new MS Bob. The market simply won't support the price point required to move to touchscreens, not when so many are already afraid and living check to check. The OEMs certainly aren't gonna close their doors just because MSFT wants to be Apple, so they will either tell MSFT to do the same move they did when Vista flopped, that is to allow them to just keep selling Win 7 with a Win 8 DVD dropped in the box, or frankly they'll start talking to Google and Canonical. I have to wonder if it was a coincidence that Dell suddenly started talking Ubuntu again as it gives them leverage.

Its just not gonna work folks, windows 8 SUCKS without a touchscreen and we all know this. I wish i had bookmarked the article I saw praising win 8, it may have been WinSupersite, where they said "See how easy win 8 is? Now to show how well it runs on old hardware we'll use this touchscreen Athlon 64 laptop to run it" and I about died because that said it all right there. Without touch win 8 sucks and with a worldwide recession people simply aren't gonna shell out an extra 30%-40%+ they don't have for units with touchscreens.

Re:Once the market matures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40749969)

Definitely dont agree with you in the "windows 8 SUCKS without a touchscreen" part. Im using the preview as my everyday OS, and was surprised at the little it took to get used to the new metro Start. Its great actually.

Im not saying its your case, but people should stop saying it sucks before they try it as their main OS for at least a week.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40753237)

Tried it for 3 weeks, that good enough AC? And you might want to watch this video of a typical user reaction [youtube.com] to Win 8 which I can tell you from having a Win 8 CP machine running in the shop for customers to play with I can tell you her reaction? VERY typical. See how lost she is? How the OS isn't giving her a damned clue about where to go or what to do? Do you know what the next stage of that reaction is? Its called frustration which sets in VERY quickly. Nobody likes feeling lost and that confusion quickly turns to anger.

Final verdict? Windows 8 is the new MS Bob and will most likely bomb hard if MSFT doesn't strong arm the living shit out of the OEMs to ONLY offer Win 8 which mark my words, will cause sales in an already bad market to go down. Why do you think dell is suddenly talking Ubuntu again? remember what was happening the LAST time they talked Ubuntu? A little OS called...Vista?

Re:Once the market matures (1)

vidnet (580068) | more than 2 years ago | (#40774447)

See how lost she is? How the OS isn't giving her a damned clue about where to go or what to do?

My folks needed help when starting to use the web, wifi and digital cameras. These technologies didn't flop as a result.

I, for one, think Windows 8 is awesome. It's basically the Windows version of Maemo -- a nice touch interface backed by a fairly complete desktop OS. I'd easily ditch my iPad for this, and would even be able to dock it with a full keyboard and high res screen for using Visual Studio and similar.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

ambidextroustech (2597091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40805993)

Been trying it and I don't use the Metro interface apps, at all. Even using Explorer, everything has been moved and it just sucks.

This OS is a nightmare. It's not even Windows; it's "Metro" because the only windows I get are in the "desktop app" which emulates Windows 7.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

ambidextroustech (2597091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40805973)

You've got my vote, sir because you're dead on right.

Re:Once the market matures (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741509)

Since when did the idea of an OS change from "Directory Navigation, Launch point for applications, application install handling" to "Marketing bitch"?

Re:Once the market matures (1, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741969)

Since iOS.

Re:Once the market matures (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741545)

Aspiring developers could hope to get the total sales from both potential metro users.

Shall I remind you that Vista still has more users than Linux on the desktop? Windows 8 will not be hurting for users, both willing and/or oblivious.

Fags and spics (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40740887)

*hurls chair* I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL GOOGLE!!!!

-Steve 'Monkeyboy' Ballmer after seeing the Nexus 7 tablet

Re:Fags and spics (2, Insightful)

kurt555gs (309278) | more than 2 years ago | (#40740923)

Actually, I just got a Nexus 7 tablet. M$ is done for. Apple should be scared.

Re:Fags and spics (5, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40740987)

A smaller tablet with a lower resolution and all the ipad benefits (ie no SD card) and it's all controlled by an advertiser that wants me to hand over all my personal data. Where do I sign up?

Re:Fags and spics (3, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741165)

The only thing you really need to sign in for is to use the app store. You can always just use f-droid [f-droid.org] which is an app store hosting nothing but Free apps and you can download stuff from around the web. You could also go here [amazon.com] and just use the Amazon app store. Don't forget too that the Nexus 7 can be bootloader unlocked with a single command so you can load whatever you want as long as you can find drivers.

Re:Fags and spics (0)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741795)

You still wouldn't be one of the cool kids though.

Re:Fags and spics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741901)

This is true.

Re:Fags and spics (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743633)

Yes, you'll be one of the leet kids.

Re:Fags and spics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741033)

Scared of the Nexus 7 falling to pieces as you do your best nerd throw?

Re:Fags and spics (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40744007)

Actually, I just got a Nexus 7 tablet. M$ is done for. Apple should be scared.

I don't think they have any reason to be worried just yet given the shoddy build quality [guardian.co.uk] , screen washout/ghosting [droidforums.net] , stuck pixels [droid-life.com] and poor support [itweb.co.za] . Maybe one day, but certainly not now.

Re:Fags and spics (1)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 2 years ago | (#40747973)

Confirming. This isn't my first tablet, but since last week, it's the first one I've been using everyday (and that trend is likely to continue). Google really made something special here---I doubt anyone was expecting them to get it this good on their first attempt.

And then there's this BS (5, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40740917)

http://thetechblock.com/why-publishing-on-the-windows-phone-marketplace-is-like-walking-barefoot-on-broken-glass [thetechblock.com]

Have fun with curated computing, developers. Work real hard and your app might be the next big hit! *snicker*

Re:And then there's this BS (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40744005)

This is an article about people in Slovenia trying to publish a windows phone app from their Mac. There were apparently some technical problems. They also complained that Microsoft wouldn't put their personal finance app up for sale in Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, or the United Arab Emirates because of a joke about sex toys. Microsoft also claimed their app shared user's location data without permission, while in reality it shared user's location data without permission.

Re:And then there's this BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40744051)

It's in general an app store problem, but then again you could always go Android and see how much better that works for you.
To be fair, we have the same problem with Apple and the App Store, and they’re being even greater assholes about it.

I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40740989)

Remember the good old days, when shareware developers built stuff that ran natively and didn't phone home?

When open source developers built stuff that compiled natively and couldn't phone home?

Yeah, Pepperidge farm and I remember.

But then came "downloaders" (Look, Adobe Acrobat XYZ is only 1MB, never you mind the 90MB the 1MB "installer" is downloading in the background.)

And finally came "apps" and "ecosystems", a world in which instead of having a locally-hosted .src.tar.gz/installer/executable that the user can install for him or herself, it all goes away to "the cloud", because it's just a bunch of HTML5 running in a stripped-down web browser that dignifies itself by calling itself a "container".

I'm either getting old and becoming a luddite, or this industry has really taken a turn for the worse. Probably a little of both.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (3, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741409)

You and me both, kid...

Frankly, what concerns me most about today's software ecosystem is the lack of concern for possession. Between subscription models and cloud services, paying for something gets you limited-time access in exchange for a permanent loss of money.

Once upon a time, you could buy a program (or a license to it) and reasonably expect that the program would remain functional for the foreseeable future. Sure, it might not have the latest features or be compatible with the latest machine, but it'd work one way and stay that way. Now you've got a new interface to web apps every month, no expectation of permanence, and no recourse if your work disappears in a "service interruption".

From an economics standpoint, I fear that this impermanence is devaluing the entire software industry. Since customers aren't getting anything permanent in exchange, they aren't as willing to pay as much (or anything) to purchase it. Since software is now expected to cost $10 or less for a mobile device, the notion that software is cheap is reinforced with every purchase made on a whim. Eventually the tragedy of the commons takes over, and the assumption is made that because the software costs so little to acquire, it also costs so little to produce. In turn, the pressure for low-profit software means there's no budget left for silly things like testing or support.

Call me a cranky old fart if you like, but I'm starting to miss the days where software cost $10,000, but if you needed a bug fixed, you could get a technician on site to fix it in an hour. Sure it'd cost you another few hundred dollars, but it's still better than today's model where, if you're lucky, a bug that halts production might get a response after two weeks of jumping through customer service hoops in a third-world call center.

Now get off my lawn.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (2)

quetwo (1203948) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741667)

Here's the thing... people are starting to have concern about possession -- those people are just the developers, not the users. The developers are getting sick of the "users" ripping off their software, pirating it with ease, and not thinking twice about if their software is legal or not. If you have an app that depends on a service you control -- you now can control people's access to it, and they can't rip you off. Same reason why there are less and less single-player games....

Additionally new accounting laws are forcing companies to realize the cost of creating the software in the past, rather than allowing them to ammoritize it for the future -- which means that new features are verboten if they simply "sell it once". If they rent it, they can realize those revenue in shorter chunks, and keep making new features without having to wait for the next big release.

On the user perspective, I totally agree with you. I go out of my way to 'own' software (or rather license it), but the hipster thing to do is simply lease it, so that is what people are getting used to.

This same model was used in the car industry.. People got used to renting (leasing) $50,000 SUVs for $200/month. They ended up not owning anything, and everybody ended up happy, from what the fine people in never-land told me...

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743345)

The developers are getting sick of the "users" ripping off their software, pirating it with ease, and not thinking twice about if their software is legal or not.

I'd like to see how popular Photoshop would be if you couldn't pirate it? Well it wouldn't...

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744117)

I'd like to see how popular Photoshop would be if you couldn't pirate it? Well it wouldn't...

Why not? It's only really home users that are going to pirate it (and that's only if they don't have a license from work that they can use at home [adobe.com] ), businesses pay and students & educational institutions get dramatically discounted licenses. What would people be using instead? GIMP?

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40745283)

Most studios will use pirated versions as well, they have a valid copy sitting on the shelf, but the instability the DRM introduces to the system is not good for production environments.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744311)

If that popularlity doesn't net Adobe any revenue, then the bulk of that popularity isn't doing much for Adobe. Adobe would still be making the same money. It is the freeloading copyright violators who would "suffer" by not being able to get something for nothing.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (2)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40745605)

Additionally new accounting laws are forcing companies to realize the cost of creating the software in the past, rather than allowing them to ammoritize it for the future -- which means that new features are verboten if they simply "sell it once". If they rent it, they can realize those revenue in shorter chunks, and keep making new features without having to wait for the next big release.

Those accounting laws only apply to Apple. Everyone else is able to include new features without any trouble with the tax-man.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741721)

The problem, of course, was that the moment you sold the program, it was reverse engineered back into source and pirated by a bunch of giggling teens and twenty somethings which made writing software a losing game for individuals.

So, there's nothing wrong with a web-based subscription model, which basically stops a lot of piracy and allows you to lower the price of your software a lot, as long as you run the software from your web site and Microsoft/Apple/Android have nothing to do with it.

I wouldn't worry too much about $10 software either. It won't make you much money unless you do the software equivalent of hitting the lottery (e.g. angry birds). The more likely money is in something that needs repeated use that gets sold to businesses, not individuals (e.g. personal medical records access).

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

jxander (2605655) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741777)

I see a pretty fair tradeoff in the current model.

Most "nerds" (i.e. the majority of the /. readership) will know how to root their devices and install just about whatever they want, however they want. This is roughly the same group of people that even know what ".src.tar.gz" even means.

For everyone else, there's the "cloud" or the ecosystems or whatever you want to call it. My grandma can install angry birds. The most tech illiterate person in the world can probably pick up an iphone, find the app store, search for something (i.e, "currency conversion" if you're into that sort of thing) and install/use that app with no fuss no muss.

I suspect at some point down the road, a universal standard will exist and an app developer won't have to maintain 3 or 4 different variants of the same app for each host... one day.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743677)

The current model is not exactly uniform, either. On one extreme you have iOS, which makes rooting a really punishing process - not supported in any way, so you basically have to rely on someone else discovering exploits in the OS and patching it like that. Which also means that you're late on the update train, especially so if you're unwilling to deal with the inconvenience of tethered jailbreak. Forget about warranty, as well.

On the other extreme you have (stock) Android, where enabling app sideloading is just a checkbox in "advanced" settings. It'll warn you about security etc when enabling it, but otherwise it's fully supported.

Somewhere in the middle, you have Win8, where there's no checkbox, but you can use developer tools to deploy unsigned packages. The catch is that this requires a Microsoft developer account, which, while free, expires every month and has to be renewed then - and you won't be able to run any of those installed apps if you don't renew.

I still fail to see what's wrong with the Android model. Safe defaults go most of the way needed to make things secure; there's no reason to make it any harder than that for those of us who know what they're doing.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40742367)

You've forgotten that in-app purchases make lots of money, it's a "holy grail" of businesses selling software. No longer do they have to worry about piracy and those nasty crackers eating into their profits, or of having to release teaser CDs, or even of having to worry about installing licence-checking software.

Now everything is free, except when you want to use it, and that gives them to opportunity to squeeze a lot more cash out of you than before. When a DVD was a single one-time $30 outlay, they lost money, now it's a $5 here, $5 there and eventually a £1500 bill [techradar.com]

from that link:

I have a particular hatred of Outfit7's talking characters, whose apps' screens are minefields of "buy things!" buttons, but the nadir is probably Beeline Interactive's Smurfs' Village, a free app that includes in-app purchases such as a "wagon of smurfberries" for just £69.99. How do they sleep?

So yes, this has taken a huge turn for the worse. Money does that to things.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742471)

The good old days when most people didn't own computers and those who did were generally knowledgeable?

Yeah, those are gone. The system has changed because you and everyone like you are nowhere near the majority of users or people buying software. The majority is a group of individuals who probably can't be trusted to get dressed properly, let alone run a computer. Once those individuals became the majority, virus, trojans, and other spyware became the norm. Because these people couldn't be bothered to educate themselves about properly running a computer, we get these ecosystems that exist to protect the users. Every step along the path has been about making it easier for these idiots.

The industry has just taken a turn to cater to the 99% of the market that's wanted computing without having to learn much about it.

Re:I'm Sick Of Apps and Ecosystems. (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40745479)

You're not a luddite friend, the entire ecosystem is being turned into a giant shit sandwich by the ever growing greed and need for control of the big three and frankly its sucks the big wet titty.

If this is what a "post PC world" is supposed to be like, with SuperMegaCorp getting every bit of data and controlling all my devices and what i do with them...uhhh...no thanks?

And while we are at it can we please tell the OS devs that computers aren't really big smartphones [youtube.com] and can we PLEASE bitchslap anyone that says the word "app" when NOT talking about a smartphone/tablet, please?

Sadly I see what they call "the future of computing" and all I can think of is the classic Monty Python "World's biggest twit" sketch, where a bunch of retards trip over themselves and can't even shoot themselves in the head correctly. That is what it feels like to me, Apple came out with iOS and the entire industry just lost its damned mind and decided EVERYTHING is a smartphone now "because dammit we want iMoney too!".../facepalm/

Well see the best way is this (2)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741041)

Create apps for the Apple and Android markets and forget the Microsoft market.

Lets break the cycle!

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741163)

If you care about openness, why would you create apps for Apple walled garden?

And if you only care about earning money, you'd create app for any market that is sufficiently popular with end users; and it's too early to tell if Win8 will be it or not.

Re:Well see the best way is this (3, Interesting)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741215)

If you care about openness

It's not necessarily about "openness" for everybody. Some of us are just tired of Microsoft and want to see somebody else win for a while. Personally I fall into that camp so I'm rooting for the inevitable amalgamation of ChromeOS and Android to get some traction.

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741327)

If you just want to see somebody else win, then it's more logical to root for Apple since they're closer to winning.

The nice thing about openness, though, is that it does not matter who wins once it's established. Much like with browsers, open == no lock-in, letting you easily switch between platforms.

Android is fine as it is; about the only amalgamation I can think of there is to let it show and run Chrome web apps as if they were native. Now that it has Chrome the browser ported, it's only a matter of time.

Re:Well see the best way is this (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741393)

If you just want to see somebody else win, then it's more logical to root for Apple since they're closer to winning.

I did root for Apple for a long time until they started acting like little bitches with the patent bullshit.

Re:Well see the best way is this (3, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 2 years ago | (#40742055)

And the proprietary connectors, and pretending to be police. Doing the embrace, extend, (with proprietary extensions of course) on perfectly good open standards (FaceTime, AirPlay, ePub) made MS look like amateurs at being evil as well.

Re:Well see the best way is this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741381)

Why would you want an OS that is built for tracking you and pushing ads?

Re:Well see the best way is this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741439)

Everybody tracks you. It's up to you how much information you give out. If you think you're safe in the loving arms of Apple or Microsoft in that regard then ask yourself how you think Bing and iAd are supposed to work.

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743689)

There's nothing in Android that's built for tracking you and pushing ads - or at least no more so than iOS or Win8. For extra bonus points, it's FOSS, so you know what exactly it does, and can recompile it to do whatever you want.

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741725)

If you care about openness

It's not necessarily about "openness" for everybody. Some of us are just tired of Microsoft and want to see somebody else win for a while. Personally I fall into that camp so I'm rooting for the inevitable amalgamation of ChromeOS and Android to get some traction.

I never understood the point of ChromeOS. Considering google is slapping Android on the devices that require a network connection to be useful (cell phones and TV) why bother with ChromeOS ? Get Chrome (proper) running on Android and call it a day.

Re:Well see the best way is this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742311)

ChromeOS as it stands now is trash. Get some first class local storage going, an app store full of X applications and an Android compatibility later on the other hand...

Re:Well see the best way is this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742563)

amalgamation

So you watch Deadwood too huh?

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 2 years ago | (#40742811)

amalgamation

So you watch Deadwood too huh?

Cocksucka!

Re:Well see the best way is this (1)

badatnicknames (2023688) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743307)

The problem is open source developers generally are clueless about what users actually want in an OS. Backwards compatibility and usability. With Microsoft fumbling Metro on the desktop this would be a perfect opportunity for other OS's.

Looking pretty standard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741203)

This appears, on the surface, like an emulation of the Apple model. The real question is how M$ will go about selecting the appropriateness of an app for its inclusion on the store. In other words, what is completely off the table (office knockoffs, Tetris copies, girly calendars, etc) ? I assume a few really high profile companies will be courted to, insuring that the "Where's my tiny angry zombie ninja with friends" apps are also on the Windows 8 app-store. Will there be favored software providers that trump smaller third party apps in the same space? Does the In App purchase mechanic eliminate/reduce the likelihood of patent troll attack?

Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (3, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741225)

Whereas you kept 100% revenues before, now you get to pay us 30% off the top AND rewrite your software, while pissing off your existing base (who still runs XP whenever they can).

What's not to like?

Re:Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40741323)

Yeah, at least with traditional win32 and the Android app store you can host your app(lication) yourself. MS with Metro and Apple with their iThings are just greedy bastards.

Re:Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741577)

Less competition... the others won't be as crazy as you if youy port it to Metro. Also, having your app in a walled garden mean that the point zero the amount of fake apps/trojans (as opposed as that are in the web now) should be null. Of course, that probably will change with time.

Re:Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (4, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741877)

Whereas you kept 100% revenues before, now you get to pay us 30% off the top....

You can be a very good programmer and a very bad salesman.

To move your Windows product you had to place it where people would see it. Where it would stand out from the crowd. Places like Download,com

You wanted entry into big box retail? Think 60 percent off the top and you'll be closer to the truth, .

Five nines of crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40747149)

Nah. Face it. 99.99% of apps are junk. In fact it might even be 99.999%.

The Apple App store proves this.
 

Re:Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742577)

Would love to know what distribution and sale mechanism you have found that allows you to take 100% of revenues?

Re:Whereas you kept 100% revenues before... (1)

Mabhatter (126906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743143)

It's a new OS, why not rewrite the software. Seriously, guys that don't think the need to advance their programming forward are why Apple has been mopping up for years. Even BEFORE iOS Macs were pulling in more cash per user for $30 PAID software.

Where is money in XP? Really? Expecting somebody that's on an OS not sold on new PCs for 5 years to buy stuff. XP is left for Open Source and cheapskates now.

Two best options were left out (0, Troll)

Tough Love (215404) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741299)

I'll fill them in:

1) Write for Android

2) Write for Apple

In any case if it's a game you're writing, bear in mind that adding support for Windows phone will cost significant extra development to support the as-yet-untested DirectX for Windows Phone, while increasing market coverage by, um, roughly 0%. OpenGL ES on the other hand covers both Android and Apple, plus can easily be ported to a number of consoles.

You know, (0)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741469)

I never really thought of Microsoft as being 'metro'.

Will Windows 7 still be available in 2013? (4, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40741765)

Will we still be able to get it, or should we buy our copies now?

Re:Will Windows 7 still be available in 2013? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40742365)

Here [filestube.com] you go.

Re:Will Windows 7 still be available in 2013? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40743197)

The real question is will it run? Try to use win7 offline for a few months... if it can't phone home it doesn't let you log in eventually. I am officially through developing any winblows specific software. Well, except at work :(

Re:Will Windows 7 still be available in 2013? (0)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744339)

And you have evidence of that right?

Re:Will Windows 7 still be available in 2013? (2)

DeathFromSomewhere (940915) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744365)

That's what you get for pirating the enterprise version. It's not phoning home either, it's trying to contact the non-existent KLM server that is supposed to be on the domain.

Minimum App Price: $1.49 ? (1)

romanval (556418) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743109)

They've pretty much copied the Apple's distribution method except for the minimum price: $1.49 instead of 99 cents. That's probably OK for Desktop apps, but I don't know if that will fly for touchscreen (Win RT) software; since Apple already set an expectation for such software to be priced lower.

Re:Minimum App Price: $1.49 ? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743731)

I don't think it'll matter much for the users, really. It's still way down there and squarely in the impulse buy ballpark.

What this does, however, is make profits slightly higher for developers in the "throwaway app" niche. As iOS has shown, the prices for those kinds of apps gravitate to the lowest possible price, simply because others will undercut you if you sell yours away for more, and when presented with several dozen otherwise equivalent apps, users will use the cheapest.

Also note that this only applies to Metro apps. Win8 Store does not have desktop apps in it (other than as links to their respective websites - i.e. you can only advertise them there, but not sell them through it).

Wow MS is SO gracious (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743305)

to allow in app purchases FTFA "Of course Microsoft wants a piece of that pie, which is why the company is spotlighting its support for in-app purchases and attempting to make it easy for developers to embrace the functionality. "

So is that mean I can create a free app which I then redirect users to a %20 discount on my software and make 10% more than what MS would give me?

Re:Wow MS is SO gracious (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40743751)

If by "software" you mean Metro apps (which is the only kind that runs on Win8 ARM tablets, and the kind that users will expect on all tablets), then you won't be able to do such a redirect for the simple reason that such apps can only be installed from Windows Store.

What apps do for software (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744423)

Software being a cheap app turns software into a fungible commodity. That is why the price, and thus margin, of software keeps going down. The problem is that most software will be cheap, throw-away products earning little for the developer. The only way to make decent money will be via lock-in, in-app purchase, or huge volume. Guess which of those options are easiest to implement.

Software as a commodity will result in lots of low quality choices that pop into existence, live for a short while, then stagnate and become cruft in the "ecosystem". Sure, there will be the rare app that takes off and becomes the next "Angry Birds" but even those will stagnate and die once market penetration gets high enough.

Prompt Payments would help them :/ (1)

Frogg (27033) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744567)

It's all well and good Microsoft copying Apple's business model here, but until they copy Apple with regards to paying their third-party devs, iOS developers will always be happier than Windows7/mobile/WindowsStore devs.

- Here's how it works with Apple: you get to view daily stats for your sales, and you get paid for that month's sales at the end of the month. Boom!
- Here's how it works currently with Microsoft: you have no idea about sales until months and months have elapsed, and then they tell you you'll get paid some months even later than that.

...so tell me Microsoft, is this enough incentive to retain any of the 'developers developers developers' that you may attract, so that they will go on to develop more than a single product?

Meh.

Microsoft are at an all time low at the moment. They're a lumbering hippo in the IT world, surviving solely through their clout and might. Lots of other companies 'get it' and are far more agile. It'll be Zunes all the way down if they're not careful.

Re:Prompt Payments would help them :/ (1)

Frogg (27033) | more than 2 years ago | (#40744689)

What I mean is: unless app development is low investment, low risk and quick turnaround -- with the business intelligence to back that up (daily- or at least weekly- sales stats), coupled with prompt payments -- it's just a no-go for small/indy developers and/or small projects/apps. Word about the state of Microsoft re. third-party app developers is already getting around, so my guess is they'll just have to take it on the chin, as Metro/Win7phone apps will be slow coming because of this.

But hey, what's new? ;)

Android or IOS vs windblows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40745741)

The former two offer stable economic models and a stable development platform, even though there is piracy. The last offers a shifting development platform, costs associated with developing on that platform that the others don't charge, and a questionable user base (people buying a smart phone usually want shiny new apps for their thing, and there are green field opportunities here, the windows pc market is very long, very established, and a lot of people don't want to pay yet more money for new stuff instead of using their old stuff, which worked just fine and did all they want.

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