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NSA Chief To Address Hackers At DEF CON

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the and-then-arrest-them dept.

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wiredmikey writes "Later this week, the NSA's organizational leader and head of the U.S. Cyber Command – General Keith Alexander — will address an audience of hackers at DEF CON. News of General Alexander's talk at Def Con broke on Friday. Up until that point, the 12:00 Track 1 slot was kept secret, leaving attendees to the world's largest hacker conference to speculate. The buzz was that it would be something interesting – if only because this year is Def Con's 20th anniversary. General Alexander will be giving a talk titled 'Shared Values, Shared Responsibility,' which is outlined as a presentation that will focus on the shared core values between the hacker community and the government's cyber community. Namely, the vision of the Internet as a positive force, the fact that information increases value by sharing, the respect and protection of privacy and civil liberties, and the opposition to malicious and criminal behavior."

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136 comments

Spot the Fed just got too easy. (4, Interesting)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#40744697)

I presume that this guy won't count, or will this have the audience racing to be the first person to claim spotting him?

Re:Spot the Fed just got too easy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40744863)

I think that is just a typical game we play at technology conferences now. Play spot the fed, and win a free sticker.

Shared value ? (4, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40744895)

What type of "value" they really think they truly share with us?
 
Spying on your own neighbors?
 
Frame innocent people up with trumped up charges?
 
Keep track of every-single-thing on every-single-person on earth?
 

Re:Shared value ? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#40745061)

and to be even more precise, please have them list the {type, length, value}.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

ndogg (158021) | about 2 years ago | (#40745077)

To be fair, I don't think those are the goals of the people that work there in and of themselves. They have masters to whom they must answer.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#40745147)

You're talking about the DOJ, not the Air Force Cyber Command, I presume? Or maybe you're lumping them together because they both take orders from the President?

Re:Shared value ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745271)

U.S. Cyber Command...AF Cyber is subsumed by it along with all of the other services

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

Re:Shared value ? (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#40745329)

Thanks for the info, but that doesn't detract from the point (or maybe that wasn't your intent). No matter where in the hierarchy, the top of that decision tree is the Commander in Chief.

Top Decision Maker (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40745441)

No matter where in the hierarchy, the top of that decision tree is the Commander in Chief.

 
  That's what they want you to believe ....
 

Re:Top Decision Maker (1)

hoggoth (414195) | about 2 years ago | (#40746069)

"Congratulations Mr. President! As this is your first day as Commander-In-Chief we thought we'd show you some pictures to get you orientated. These are of John F. Kennedy. I particularly like this one here from the warehouse. And we even liked him. Do we understand each other?"

Re:Top Decision Maker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746455)

Don't forget to show him the picture taken from behind the grassy knoll.

Re:Shared value ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745153)

I dunno, but it certainly sounds like an interesting talk if you can squeeze it in between long sessions of knowing everything.

Re:Shared value ? (-1, Troll)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745377)

What type of "value" they really think they truly share with us?

Spying on your own neighbors?

Frame innocent people up with trumped up charges?

Keep track of every-single-thing on every-single-person on earth?

How about trying to prevent mass murder, even if the person planning it is someone who happens to be a neighbor, but is also a terrorist in direct communication with Al Qaeda? Or do you not approve?

Get it wrong, and things come out like this (just pretend the perpetrator of this "workplace violence" who was shouting "Allah akbar!" as he shot down American soldiers, and in direct contact with an Al Qaeda trainer and facilitator prior to the attack, was really involved in terrorism.):

Horror at Fort Hood: Gunman Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13, wounds 31 in rampage on Texas Army base [nydailynews.com]

Instead of like these:

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending February 17, 2012 [fbi.gov]

Detroit: ‘Underwear Bomber’ Sentenced to Life in Prison for Attempted Christmas Day Attack

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the so-called “underwear bomber,” was sentenced to life in prison as a result of his guilty plea to all eight counts of a federal indictment charging him for his role in the attempted Christmas Day 2009 bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 253.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending February 10, 2012 [fbi.gov]

Minneapolis: Ohio Man Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy to Provide Material Support to Somali-Based Terror Group

Ahmed Hussein Mahamud pled guilty to conspiracy to provide material support to al Shabaab, a U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organization, in its fight against the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia (TFG) and the Ethiopian military, which supports the TFG.

Chicago: Chicago Man Pleads Guilty to Attempting to Provide Funds to Support al Qaeda in Pakistan

Raja Lahrasib Khan, a Chicago taxi driver and native of Pakistan who personally provided hundreds of dollars to an alleged terrorist leader with whom he had met in his native Pakistan, pled guilty to attempting to provide additional funds to the same individual after learning he was working with al Qaeda.

Washington Field: Revolution Muslim Leader Guilty of Soliciting Murder, Promoting Extremism

Jesse Curtis Morton, aka Younus Abdullah Muhammed, pled guilty to using his position as a leader of Revolution Muslim Organization’s Internet sites to conspire to solicit murder, make threatening communications, and use the Internet to place others in fear.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending February 3, 2012 [fbi.gov]

Tampa: Florida Man Indicted for Attempting to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction

Sami Osmakac, of Pinellas Park, Florida, was charged with attempting to use weapons of mass destruction against persons and property in the U.S., as well as possessing an unregistered machine gun

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012 [fbi.gov]

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization

Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization.

Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center

U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland.

Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings

Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012 [fbi.gov]

Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa

A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives.

Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab

A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011 [fbi.gov]

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center

A former Los Angeles man pled guilty in connection with the June 2011 plot to attack a military installation in Seattle.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011 [fbi.gov]

San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab

Nima Yusuf, 25, a resident of San Diego, pled guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

More here [fbi.gov] .

You can get behind preventing mass murder, right?

Re:Shared value ? (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40745467)

Get it wrong, and things come out like this (just pretend the perpetrator of this "workplace violence" who was shouting "Allah akbar!" as he shot down American soldiers, and in direct contact with an Al Qaeda trainer and facilitator prior to the attack, was really involved in terrorism.):

 
There will be those who will terrorize the populace - even in countries as draconian as China or Iran, they _do_ have terrorists of their own (not counting the government, that is)
 
On the other hand, it does not take NSA to flag out potential trouble makers such as the guy you outlined above - based on his profile we already can guess the eventual outcome - that guy had been a supporter of Islamic terrorism all the while
 

Re:Shared value ? (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745753)

it does not take NSA to flag out potential trouble makers such as the guy you outlined above -

Practically everyone around him knew he was a growing danger, but nothing was done. The power of political correctness was his shield enabling mass murder.

The ability to identify a terrorist is going to be on a case by case basis, isn't it? In some cases, it won't take a mastermind. In others, the only indication that someone is involved with terrorism is when their communications to an Al Qaeda communications hub are intercepted. There is no right to private communications to a terrorist group at war with the United States any more now than there was one to the German government in 1943.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

Capt. Skinny (969540) | about 2 years ago | (#40745555)

What American post-9/11 the-ends-justify-the-means propaganda campaign were you just released from? Ever hear the Ben Franklin quote about essential liberty and temporary safety?

Re:Shared value ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745697)

I always liked the Ben Franklin quote about killing people to keep secrets. And the one about guests smelling bad after a few days.

Re:Shared value ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745719)

I'm glad to see this upvoted. We have a real problem in the world today, with islamists terrorizing americans and taking over foreign nations -- despite those who desperately try to pretend that fear of mass murder is "islamophobia."

However, consider this: what happens if, after Obama's administration, islamists suceed in taking over America? And who's to say that -- right now, under Obama -- this vast surveillance system isn't already working on taking over America?

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yes, the NSA is needed, to defend against terrorists. But let's stop playing catch up, let's stop playing defensively. If we work to destroy islamism world wide, ban mosques, and expel all somalis, egyptians, saudis, lebenese, aghanis and pakistanis, we would have a MUCH smaller problem.

And we wouldn't have a government that is almost as much a threat as communism.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

hoggoth (414195) | about 2 years ago | (#40746085)

> almost as much a threat as communism

The 50's called, aw nevermind...

Re:Shared value ? (-1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40746151)

I'm glad to see this upvoted. We have a real problem in the world today, with islamists terrorizing americans and taking over foreign nations -- despite those who desperately try to pretend that fear of mass murder is "islamophobia."

However, consider this: what happens if, after Obama's administration, islamists suceed in taking over America?

 
I am VERY GRATEFUL for you to bring this up !!
 
The O'bummer administration is the most dangerous administration America has ever had
 
Looking at what they (O'bummer and his European allies) had done for the past 2 years and we see a pattern:
 
They have engaged in an operation that they've cooked up -
 
  The Arab Spring
 
They did it under the disguise of "overthrowing dictators" in the Middle-East, but in actuality, they are feeding the Christian minorities living in those countries to the barbaric Islamic wolves !!
 
Look at Egypt -
 
While Mubarak wasn't the nicest guy around, he managed to keep the Islamic terrorists at bay, and in doing so, the Coptic Christians in Egypt got to live in relative peace
 
After the so-called "Arab Spring", what happened?
 
Egypt was handed to the Islamic Brotherhood on a silver plate - the same Islamic Brotherhood that has sponsored countless number of Islamic terrorism throughout the world - They are everywhere, from Pakistan to UK to Indonesia to Yemen, to Germany, to Syria, to Argentina, to Libya, and so on
 
So what will happen to the millions of Coptic Christians still staying in Egypt? Nobody cares ! At least not the O'bummer administration and his anti-Christian allies in EU
 
Same thing happened in Libya - immediately after the dispose of Gaddafi Christian churches were bombed, and innocent Christians were slaughtered
 
Same thing happened in Tunisia - Jewish and Christians face imminent danger after the dictator was thrown out
 
Same thing gonna happen to the religious minorities in Syria not that long in the future
 
I am not supporting dictator, mind you, but I am pragmatic enough to understand that in situation whereby the vast majority of the population turned out to be of the Islamic faith, you need someone who is more ruthless than those Islamic terrorists to keep the society in order.
 
Yes, in places like that, dictators are actually useful, or the society gonna break down, much like what is happening in Libya and in Northern Mali
 

Re:Shared value ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746507)

It's true that if you troll right people won't be sure you have trolled at all. I especially like the part where Islam is taking over foreign nations, when the only country invading and imposing will is america.

Re:Shared value ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746605)

Obviously you aren't paying attention to what is going on.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

lightknight (213164) | about 2 years ago | (#40746113)

Join us, and maybe we'll talk to the DA about extenuating circumstances (because we all know you use linux, and only hackers know how to use that; plus, you use 'alternative' browsers).

Re:Shared value ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746483)

"How about trying to prevent mass murder, even if the person planning it is someone who happens to be a neighbour"

Why would Keith Alexander's values be to get the states to stop committing mass murder? That's how he got his job in the first place.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#40745433)

Why, knowing things, obviously. Just like we want to know how the world works in every minute detail, they want to know what the world's doing... in every minute detail.

Re:Shared value ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745507)

....seems about right for carders, exploit developers and scambots. Also, attending one of these things puts your identity front & centre.

Re:Shared value ? (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40746283)

... attending one of these things puts your identity front & centre

 
So true !
 
I've been in this field for decades and I've my fair share of, for lack of a better word, hacking
 
But I've never ever attend any official "hacker conference"
 
I treasure my privacy too much to break my anonymity (and no, I'm not part of that "anonymous" movement either)
 

Re:Shared value ? (1)

matunos (1587263) | about 2 years ago | (#40746651)

These all sound like things a black hat might enjoy, yes.

Re:Spot the Fed just got too easy. (1)

ehintz (10572) | about 2 years ago | (#40746191)

IIRC, spot the fed is only for ones that aren't obviously identified (being a speaker is a bit obvious).

Re:Spot the Fed just got too easy. (1)

matunos (1587263) | about 2 years ago | (#40746645)

It could all just be an elaborate social engineering attack.

It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40744719)

This conference should have been titled FED CON a long time ago

Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (3, Insightful)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40744729)

n/t.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (-1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745399)

Only the hackers in favor of suicide bombing against innocent civilians.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (1, Funny)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40745827)

Whatever helps you sleep at night, clown.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40746673)

You're the one advocating tossing eggs and hurling insults, and probably a pie or two along the way. I'm tempted to go to the conference just to see if you show up in a dinky car along with a dozen of your best friends wearing giant shoes and rainbow wigs. That would be kind of fitting given the nonsense you're posting.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (-1, Flamebait)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40747113)

Hurling insults? Walking out? You're a dumb fucking wanker, but you already established that on your first response. Now it's just a question of pulling your strings. Like this, for example.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745481)

And here I was thinking that internet hackers were more enlightened than the average person, and free of prejudice.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40745835)

Prejudice doesn't even figure into it. Are you projecting?

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40746631)

No, he is probably just observing the hostile rabblerousing nonsense you've been posting. Throw eggs, overthrow governments, walk out of the talk blah, blah, blah

.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40746679)

You wish it was nonsense. But you're kinda the weakest link.

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40747001)

eggs is waaay too little. this guy should be tortured, sentenced on some made up charges and publicly executed for his organisations crimes against mankind

Re:Throw eggs or hand in your hacker pass. (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40747159)

It didn't occur to me initially, but the longer I think about it, the more I think walking out on him would be really cool. Or maybe just sing songs, that sort of stuff. Throwing eggs just gets you jailed, and achieves nothing. Listening to his PR would be accompliceship. So it has to be something in between. But you know what? I'm sure that either the whole thing is a joke, or someone will come up with *some* dignified response.

Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (4, Interesting)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40744753)

"malicious and criminal behavior" = "malicious and criminal behavior of the unapproved kind"

How about simply not showing up? Let that guy talk in front the plants he brought :P

Surely you could use that time for something better, like chatting, or bringing down the government.

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about 2 years ago | (#40744903)

"malicious and criminal behavior" = "malicious and criminal behavior of the unapproved kind"

How about simply not showing up? Let that guy talk in front the plants he brought :P

Also:

the fact that information increases value by sharing

I'm not quite sure RIAA/MPAA agree... (unless the shared info comes from Faecebook)

the respect and protection of privacy and civil liberties

"respect and protection of privacy and civil liberties" - that's indeed the most refined level of newspeak NSA would be capable of delivering for the present time. Expect increased sophistication as the society "evolves".

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (2, Insightful)

Genda (560240) | about 2 years ago | (#40744931)

Or everyone could read the following quote from Good Will Hunting [imdb.com] .

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745461)

A funny rant, but it is pretty much all BS.

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (-1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745449)

Surely you could use that time for something better, like chatting, or bringing down the government.

Bring down the government? To replace it with . . . .? What exactly?

The Left's Tragic Flaw [frontpagemag.com]

Vindication: There Is An Unholy Alliance [frontpagemag.com]

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (0)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40745841)

Dude, that was tongue-in-cheek. So save me your strawmen, and peddle your BS elsewhere.

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40746565)

Dude, that was tongue-in-cheek. So save me your strawmen, and peddle your BS elsewhere.

tongue-in-cheek.= BS

By your own admission you seem to be the one that is peddling BS, and in copious quantities. Is there any chance you'll begin making a positive contribution to the discussion instead of peddling BS, advocating tossing eggs, etc? This is getting tedious.

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (0)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#40746669)

Cry me a river.

Re:Gotta love newspeak, by the way. (1)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#40746809)

Surely you could use that time for something better, like chatting, or bringing down the government.

Hey now, let's not get too carried away. I realize you're a little annoyed with how things have been going lately. But chatting?? That's a little extreme, don't you think?

Butthurt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40744767)

This guy is going to get trolled so hard... Serious butt-hurt awaits him. Someone better get a video of this train wreak.

Shared values... (1)

Genda (560240) | about 2 years ago | (#40744845)

I mean really, show me a hacker that doesn't want to listen to every phone call on the planet... it's like meeting your Bizarro self...

I wonder... (4, Funny)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | about 2 years ago | (#40744881)

how long it will take someone in the audience to get into his cell phone.

Re:I wonder... (5, Funny)

Keebler71 (520908) | about 2 years ago | (#40744947)

Probably less long that it would take him to get into everyone in the audience's...

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745923)

Probably less long that it would take him to get into everyone in the audience's...

Think of it as the most epic game of CTF ever.

Re:I wonder... (5, Funny)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#40746667)

Funny story - I was in Austin at HoHoCon (I forget) somewhere around '93-'95. This was when the Radio Shack PRO-43 scanner could easily be modified to listen in on 800MHz cell phone transmissions . Well, there were a couple of guys from Motorola security there dressed up with earpieces, looking like SS agents. Later, in the rooms, we were listening to my PRO-43 on an external speaker, drifting from conversation to conversation. Side note: I really miss listening in - it was fascinating, boring, and disturbing to see what people really said. Anyway, we lucked out and got one of the Motorola guys' conversations, talking to someone back at base. He said he had seen us around with our little scanners, and didn't trust this transmission. "Hell, they're probably listening in right now," he said. We all busted out laughing..."Yeah...we are!" Good times.

Re:I wonder... (1)

laejoh (648921) | about 2 years ago | (#40747313)

like SS agents

How did you recognize them? Did they speak german?

Ah yes... (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#40744887)

Ah yes, the US government has a stellar track record in recent years as it relates to civil liberties and basic privacies online...

Re:Ah yes... (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#40745191)

Make the lie big, and stick to it...

Re:Ah yes... (1)

Teresita (982888) | about 2 years ago | (#40745265)

Civil liberties are only important in countries that are ruled by dictators we don't like, such as Syria, Iran, Russia, China, etc. But in places like Bahrain, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and other countries where the US has military bases, civil liberties are overrated.

Re:Ah yes... (2)

davester666 (731373) | about 2 years ago | (#40745285)

After 9/11 and the unabomber and the OKC bomber and others, citizens demanded to be protected, and politicians lapped it up.

The TSA has been sexually assaulting millions of people for how long, and there has been no groundswell of support to stop them. Now they've expanded to having uniformed thugs stop and search people using buses and trains looking for terrorists.

What makes you think they will stop there, and not expand to people in malls, office towers, or even just on a downtown street [because anyone could be a terrorist, and it would cripple American morale for a suicide bomber to kill a bunch of people in a mall or office tower or on the street].

Re:Ah yes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745349)

Yeah, we'd rather have some stupid kid do it by himself.

Re:Ah yes... (1)

Tancred (3904) | about 2 years ago | (#40745781)

or even just on a downtown street

That's happening already. It's called Stop and Frisk.

Re:Ah yes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745417)

Ah yes, the US government has a stellar [wikipedia.org] track record in recent years as it relates to civil liberties and basic privacies online...

FTFY

neat (0)

macshit (157376) | about 2 years ago | (#40744905)

that's really pretty cool...

one missing link: honesty (1)

decora (1710862) | about 2 years ago | (#40744929)

while Alexander is preaching this stuff, his crew and/or the contractors who are being payed billions of taxpayer dollars are hard at work building the next version of Stuxnet.

its pure marketing.

but there is absolutely almost zero common ground between the fundamental ethos of the 2600 types - namely, the search for truth, knowledge, and wisdom, and the fundamental ethos of the military - destroy the enemy. sure, the military needs some smart folks to help it do its work, and sometimes its necessary. but to confuse the two, is to risk hubris, and to flaunt the fact that you apparently don't read enough Aeschylus.

Ah here comes the Patriotic Appeal... (1)

Phrogman (80473) | about 2 years ago | (#40744937)

"We need your services in the War on Terror, why don't you come work for us?"
Despite the fact that he represents the organization that most hackers fear the attentions of the most :P

Re:Ah here comes the Patriotic Appeal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745311)

Close, but I'm guessing it's more a part of an idea to build a patriotic hacker community to fight against Russia and China.

Re:Ah here comes the Patriotic Appeal... (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745501)

"We need your services in the War on Terror, why don't you come work for us?"
Despite the fact that he represents the organization that most hackers fear the attentions of the most :P

So, living in mom's basement makes you, and by extension your friends, proof against poison and bombs?

Device naked (1)

MrJones (4691) | about 2 years ago | (#40744945)

He better go device naked, just imagine a NSA phone lost at DEF CON ... :)

Re:Device naked (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 2 years ago | (#40745029)

Thats saying he doesnt have a honeypot configured on said phone to catch the ones who think its just too easy

Curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40744979)

The 'Top Boss' of General Alexander is the President of the United States of America Barak Hussein Obama II who has committed acts breaking the Constitution of the USA, and in general all ethics and morals of civilized human beings, i.e. Homo Sapiens.

And this General says, "We as a global society are extremely vulnerable and at risk for a catastrophic cyber event. Global society needs the best and brightest to help secure our most valued resources in cyberspace: our intellectual property, our critical infrastructure and our privacy. DEF CON has an important place in computer security. It taps into a broad range of talent and provides an unprecedented diversity of experiences and expertise to solve tough problems. The hacker community and USG cyber community share some core values: we both see the Internet as an immensely positive force; we both believe information increases in value by sharing; we both respect protection of privacy and civil liberties; we both believe in the need for oversight that fosters innovation, doesn’t pick winners and losers, and retains freedom and flexibility; we both oppose malicious and criminal behavior. We should build on this common ground because we have a shared responsibility to secure cyberspace."

What the 'Good' General wants us to admire is his largess and not the FACTS of the USA TERROR CAMPAIGN against the citizen of the United States of America, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and 'Unfortunates' [targets of opportunity] of the European Union.

In this commendation of the 'Good General'. The hacker community nor the citizens of the United States of America share the 'core values' so eloquently [forgiving the bad english, snicker snicker] written of by the 'Good General'.

Allow me the kindness of plain writing, Good General = Good Nazi!

LoL :D

Who's he kidding? (5, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 years ago | (#40745011)

The hacker community and USG cyber community share some core values: we both see the Internet as an immensely positive force; we both believe information increases in value by sharing; we both respect protection of privacy and civil liberties; we both believe in the need for oversight that fosters innovation, doesnâ(TM)t pick winners and losers, and retains freedom and flexibility; we both oppose malicious and criminal behavior. We should build on this common ground because we have a shared responsibility to secure cyberspace.

Since when does the NSA respect privacy?
From MINARET and SHAMROCK to ECHELON, Stellar Wind, and warrantless wiretapping, they've done nothing but disrespect privacy.

Shit. FISA was passed into law specifically because the NSA was spying on Americans.
And then Bush came along and did his best to piss all over the minimal protections provided by FISA [wikipedia.org]
And Congress helped by giving retroactive immunity to the Telecoms for illegally enabling the NSA's surveillance.

The Director of the NSA is in for a tough time if he's really going to claim that the NSA respects privacy.

Re:Who's he kidding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745307)

The Director of the NSA is in for a tough time if he's really going to claim that the NSA respects privacy.

You'll fall asleep long before he gets to that slide... oh, death by powerpoint.

Re:Who's he kidding? (2)

bug1 (96678) | about 2 years ago | (#40745557)

Since when does the NSA respect privacy?

He said that the NSA respects protection of privacy, he didnt says whos privacy.
Obviously they dont respect the protection of other peoples privacy, that would defeat their purpose for existing. They certainly care about other people respecting the NSA's privacy.

Re:Who's he kidding? (3, Informative)

ehintz (10572) | about 2 years ago | (#40746219)

Half their organization is the IAD, which is specifically about protecting government systems (and yeah, the other half is the SID, who are all about compromising every communique they can). So yeah, by design, if you're not the gov, they can has your cheezburgers.

Re:Who's he kidding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746425)

"What’s on those networks that we’ve got to secure? Well, it’s our intellectual property. It’s the future of our country. It’s the future of our industry. It’s what going to – it will make up the future wealth of this nation. We’ve got to protect it."

General Alexander
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/speeches_testimonies/100603_alexander_transcript.pdf

Re:Who's he kidding? (1)

matunos (1587263) | about 2 years ago | (#40746657)

Simce when do black hats respect privacy? See? Shared values.

"Civil liberties" (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#40745099)

In US officials' language "civil liberties" means "something that we claim, our enemies disrespect when we want to attack them".

Re:"Civil liberties" (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about 2 years ago | (#40745679)

In US officials' language "civil liberties" means "something that we claim, our enemies disrespect when we want to attack them".

Tell it to Stalin and Kim.

Stalin's death camps [youtube.com]
Gulag [gulaghistory.org]
Inside North Korea's Gulag [wsj.com]

Re:"Civil liberties" (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#40745735)

Shoud I post everything (fictional and real, as your examples also include plenty of fiction) about US government tortuting, killing and in other ways abusing people?

Re:"Civil liberties" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745991)

You should learn about these things called numbers. They will help you understand the scale of things.

Spot the Spies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745113)

A General eh? Pretty cool. Kudos to Dark Tangent.

Shared Values? (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 2 years ago | (#40745145)

the respect and protection of privacy and civil liberties, and the opposition to malicious and criminal behavior

I guess, in a sense, those are shared values. Both sides share the view that half of the above pair is a "nice to have" that can be infringed when it conflicts with the other half.

But I don't think the two sides agree on which half can be justly infringed.

If you look at it that way, it is such an elegant turn of phrase -- and in a context where riddles and half truths are held in such esteem -- that I almost think it must be intentional. Except what kind of scumbag would ever admit to being on the wrong side?

The quieter you are, the more you are able to hear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745175)

Gov't agents speak at conferences often enough.
http://safecomputing.umich.edu/events/sumit10/#Snow - Gordon Snow, Assistant Director FBI spoke at a umich security conference a few years back.

Often times they will speak candidly about certain things they have leeway with.
It can and should be a learning experience.

" malicious and criminal behavior." (1)

jcr (53032) | about 2 years ago | (#40745205)

What, like violating the fourth amendment?

-jcr

Shared what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745429)

No, fuck you.

You do not share my values. Neither politicial party shares my values.
I may not be able to do jack shit about you morons being in charge of the world and fucking it up.

But i damm well don't have to HELP YOU.

It's going to be an interesting con (1)

Minupla (62455) | about 2 years ago | (#40745703)

I'm packing as I type this... Defcon XX here I come.

Min

Re:It's going to be an interesting con (1)

EETech1 (1179269) | about 2 years ago | (#40745809)

your bags?

or concealed weapons?

hmmm...

Trading perspectives - good AND multilayered (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40745847)

it goes both ways: Because of this, a lot of military (rank and file) will hear about DEFCON, and learn more of the various hacker perspectives (for good and for ill). That means more potential conscientious objectors, more potential whistleblowers, more multifaceted human beings.

yes, all of the other comments above and below (well, some). He's doing PR, and he wants the impossible dream of universal safety, and his organisation's methods towards that impossible goal are often complicated (with many aspects being harmful in many ways).

But sharing their vocabulary maps, is a good thing for Any community to do with its neighbours.

Plus, the military/government wants to hire the smart and rational and practical and experienced hackers. A LOT of them, over the coming years. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/06/08/nsa-built-stuxnet-but-real-trick-is-building-crew-of-hackers

If you can't talk to your neighbours, and at least try to understand their worldviews, then when you DO need to communicate it's as if you're just shouting in an unintelligible language, and progress can't happen.

Go learn about the man, and what his private perspectives are (or might be), and hence what personal bias' he brings to the speech, along with his career-based bias'. Obligations/intents/implicit and explicit messages/etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_B._Alexander which eventually leads to http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2009-attendee-list/ See, we're learning already!

Here's an idea. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#40746295)

If you don't feel patriotic or disagree with your current government, consider using your leet skills for the benefit of all mankind by taking on people like Assad. He is killing his own people. Think about forming a temporary partnership/truce for the good of all people. Get him where it hurts by taking out his bank accounts, taking out his internal networks. Help out the people of Syria and the world at large by helping the NSA/CIA find and seize his offshore accounts.

Assad obviously does not give a crap about his own people but he does care about his money. Steal it from him in a concerted effort with your temporary allies in the western nation governments.

Re:Here's an idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746509)

Assad? Bullshit. This is a coup that the US and Saudi Arabia are funding the rebels with. Weapons, communications equipment, etc. You honestly condone the suicide bombing that took out Assad's brother in law, and his top defense ministers? Or the massacre that was plastered all over the news saying that children were slaughtered by the Assad regime, only found to be a complete fabrication? Do you really want to fuck with a country that has an arsenal of WMD's sitting on your fat, pimply ass in the US to have bragging rights? You're just asking for a bitch slap from China and Russia, both good friends with Assad and Syria. Here's an idea: don't provoke them and mind your own business.

So...this amused me, (2)

Starfleet Command (936772) | about 2 years ago | (#40746387)

I can't help but think this is abit like Darth Vader addressing the Rebel forces... just saying

_______________________________

"it's like, whatever..."

YOU FAIL[ IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746461)

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It's a trap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746477)

So does this guy get secret service protection? What about the new protest-free zone law that Obama put through that pretty much allows them to selectively charge people with felony trespassing with no notice?

This is that bullshit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40746871)

about the government "reaching out" to hackers to bring them into intelligence jobs. The way I see it is, the government is too cheap to train their own staff so they're going for self trained talent which they don't have to pay to train. Who said that government is inefficient?

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