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Reports Say Apple Is Shrinking Its Docking Connector With iPhone 5

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the hope-bluetooth-dongles-come-quickly dept.

Iphone 427

jones_supa writes "Two sources have told Reuters that Apple's new iPhone will drop the classic wide dock connector used in the company's gadgets for the best part of a decade in favor of a smaller one. The refresh will be a 19-pin connector port at the bottom instead of the previous 30-pin port 'to make room for the earphone moving to the bottom.' That would mean the new phone would not connect with the myriad of accessories playing a part in the current ecosystem of iPods, iPads and iPhones, at least without an adapter. On the upside, a smaller connector will allow for more compact product designs. Some enterprising vendors in China have already begun offering cases for the new phone, complete with earphone socket on the bottom and a 'guarantee' that the dimensions are correct." Gizmodo writer Adrian Covert says it's for your own good.

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Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (5, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750213)

I'm sure MicroUSB and other industry-standard connectors weren't considered. For how many years now has Apple been the last holdout with proprietary connectors?

Even if they did they'd still find a way to make it proprietary with something like the charger resistor trick [engadget.com] or the headphone recess. [engadget.com]

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (3, Insightful)

johnlcallaway (165670) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750269)

I was thinking the very same thing. How sad that Apple continues to want to keep an iron fist over their product instead of admitting others may have better ideas. Of course, they didn't really 'invent' anything other than a style. Everything they have done has only incorporated incremental improvements over existing tech. I have yet to see anything truly innovative come out of Apple, other than innovative ways to convince people they have a product worthty the Apple tax and lack of options.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (-1, Troll)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750477)

It's really sad that you're a fucking piece of shit moron. But we don't really care.

Why does it matter to you in the slightest that Apple is using space and components efficiently, instead of creating huge devices with half-a-dozen ports?

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750575)

It's really sad that you're a fucking piece of shit moron. But we don't really care.

I can appreciate that people get crazy-sensitive about their mobile phones, but "you're a fucking piece of shit" might be a tad over-the-top.

Why does it matter to you in the slightest that Apple is using space and components efficiently, instead of creating huge devices with half-a-dozen ports?

I don't know of anyone advocating half a dozen ports. What I do see is people saying it'd be nice if they used micro-usb like everyone else instead of a proprietary connector.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750281)

Apple uses proprietary connectors, everyone knows that.

That being said, connectors change over time, a la USB, Mini-USB, Micro-USB. I don't think Apple moving from the one it's used for 5-6 years to a smaller one is nefarious.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750317)

Apple going through the trouble of abandoning their old proprietary connector and MAKING A NEW PROPRIETARY ONE instead of going to a standard one like every other phone has had for years sounds at least a bit nefarious to me.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1, Insightful)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750387)

'For years' is a bit of an exaggeration. It is only very recent that most phone manufacturers started using micro-USB consistently. It's still possible, though, to find phones not using micro-USB that aren't from Apple.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (2, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750459)

Before micro-USB there was mini-USB, they're standard connectors that can be forwards and backwards-compatible with simple mechanical adapters. Miniature USB connectors on phones have a long history.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (2, Interesting)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750533)

And mini-USB was not consistently used among all phones. I and my girlfriend have a few different model flip phones from just 2 years ago from T-Mobile that all have their own proprietary connector. Again, you are highly exaggerating how consistent USB use was and has been until only recently.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750529)

I charge my phone at work with the cable that I use to connect my computer to my scanner. When apple shows that flexibility with hardware I will welcome them with open arms. Until then they are (don't let the hipsters read this or any americans) as pseudo-socially communist as possible.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750521)

The problem is Apple phones are kind-of a primadonna about how peripherals can interact with them.

If Apple put a standard port on their phone users would expect anything that will fit to work with the phone. That includes devices that use protocalles iOS does not support.

Now there is an argument to be made that Apple could simply start supporting more protocalles. However that's never been how Apple rolls. They'd rather say "No it doesn't do that." than have something that "sort of works".

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

Truedat (2545458) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750607)

Just wondered if gadgets mostly come with chargers anyway, in which case how would making them standard help? My last few gadgets purchased have been an iPhone 4s, iPhone 4, iPad, nintendo 3ds, nintendo ds lite and some anonymous Nokia feature phone. Every one has shipped with a charger, so standard or no, I'd still have the same mountain of chargers in my possession. The only possible benefit of having a standard is if one day in the future gadgets started shipping sans charger so that you would have to buy one separately.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750703)

I'm gonna say that, while I wish everyone used the same connectors, I'm not a fan of micro-USB. The devices (or maybe cables) I have just don't seem to have a tight grip and fall out pretty easily.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

Daniel_is_Legnd (1447519) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750369)

The thing about changing between different USB versions is that they are all compatible with one another. I can buy an adapter and my mini-usb is now a micro-usb. From the story, it seems Apple is changing the connector to make people buy new cables, chargers, and accessories.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (4, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750461)

Do we know there won't be any adapters available? They have produced adapters for their products in the past, such as the numerous display adapters.

It's kind of "heads I win, tails you lose".

If Apple moves to a slimmer profile device, people say they are just trying to make people buy new cables. If they stay on an old one, people say they won't give up on their proprietary cables.

If they produce an adapter, people will say they just want to cash in by selling the adapters. If they don't produce adapters, people say they just want to make you buy new cables.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750579)

Do we know there won't be any adapters available?

If apple sells a cable that has "weird new thing" on one end and plain ole PC USB on the other end (for charging, itunes sync, whatever) then there already exist adapters to go from usb-micro cable aka male to desktop USB female.

People forget the apple connector has at least composite video, maybe more on that little plug. I would not be surprised if the new plug has full HDMI and at least some weird digital SPDIF if not much more.

Yeah... everyone's a critic (1)

mitzampt (2002856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750617)

But how many people would complain about switching to micro-USB with or without the adapters (obviously they'd still complain if they don't provide the adapters).
How much a better place this world would be?

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1, Insightful)

darjen (879890) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750373)

This way they can charge $30 for an extra power adapter. I guess if you decide that you really like being a part of the iOS ecosystem, the extra cost will be worth it to you. Judging by the sheer number of iPhone sales, plenty of people think that it is.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750479)

Every device comes with a power cable, you'd only need to buy additional ones if you wanted to own several of them.

Most people own a number of Apple cables because they have owned a few different iPods and iPhones. The same thing will happen in the future, it will just be a different cable.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750549)

They can only charge you the $30 if you buy one from them. Or you can buy one of many of the many dozens of third party chargers that will likely appear on the market before the phone is even released. I bought three or four chargers from Frys that after rebate cost me $0 and have worked with iphones 1; 3; and 4.

You idiots always assume this is some kind of profit strategy from Apple, but the fact is that they don't care to be a spare parts store so their spare parts catalog carries punitive pricing. No different from their adding factory memory to their laptops, they don't want to and their pricing is intended to discourage it.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (4, Informative)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750433)

The "proprietary charger resistor trick" was made part of the USB standard in 2007 (USB Battery Charging Specification), three years before the article you linked to purporting to have discovered "secret resistors" that enable Apple to "artificially restricts iPhone chargers"...

Apple's no saint, but if you're going to call them out on something, maybe try to stick to stuff they actually did wrong instead of making stuff up. The headphone recess thing might be one, although I'd argue that that was just a dumb design decision rather than an attempt to introduce a proprietary standard; it was still a standard 3.5mm jack, just rendered mostly useless.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750435)

What benefit does Apple get from this? It doesn't lock anyone into a platform, it just makes their lives harder when they want to charge their damn phone. And it makes every developer who depends on that connector have to go and rework their designs. What does Apple get? A couple of bucks from buying the adapters and fees from developers? I'm sure the cost of scaring off consumers and deterring developers more than offsets these gains.

At this point, some major legislative body needs to regulate these adapters. The US Congress won't do it, but maybe the EU, Japan, or Canada will do it. If a big enough market requires micro-USB for charging then Apple will bend.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (-1, Flamebait)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750463)

And how exactly would you get your digital/analog audio, Full HD video over HDMI, or video over composite while using a micro-USB connector?

Why is it that stupid people hate Apple? Is there something about being stupid that I just don't get?

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750531)

Other manufacturers do it over USB. Fuck off.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750597)

Without adapters or proprietary protocols?

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

forgent (2692021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750645)

How about by using the Headphone jack? Why not make a small proprietary video out jack for the people who use video out from their iphones? Then they could keep a standard USB micro for data and their own classic apple-style proprietary hardware tax for those who wish to have fullHD video out with digital audio etc etc. So maybe you don't understand because YOU may just be the stupid one in this situation. Apple worship: not even once.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750657)

Why is it that stupid people hate Apple? Is there something about being stupid that I just don't get?

He's gone Fanboy Super Saiyan! 8-(

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750707)

MHL.

To answer your second question, it's not the smart people who keep pumping them full of money to "innovate" other people's ideas...

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (4, Insightful)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750831)

Why is it that stupid people hate Apple? Is there something about being stupid that I just don't get?

And yet many of us prefer the company of the decent and stupid to the condescending and average.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (5, Informative)

bjackson1 (953136) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750513)

You realize that the dock connector is more than just a USB cable with a weird connector at the end, right? The new 19 pin connector would presumably do the functions of the current 30 pin dock connector, which allows full digital video and audio out, analog audio and video, and control data simultaneously over one connection. I don't believe that this is part of the USB standard.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

mischi_amnesiac (837989) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750591)

Considering that Apple signed a declaration of intent in 2009 (together with Nokia, RIM, Samsung and others) to use micro USB connectors from 2010 onward (at least in the EU), I'd wager that they won't stick to what they signed for a long time to come. No, what they actually did was releasing an adapter which let you use every other manufacturer's charger to charge an iphone.

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750631)

Do any of the USB connectors have the other 15 (ish) pins needed to do everything else the dock connector does?

You *do* realize it's not just a 30-pin (or now 19-pin) USB connector [pinouts.ru] , yes?

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750647)

I'm sure MicroUSB

Even no new phone can be sold in the EU or china without one. Thank god cuppertino law overrules that...

Re:Standard connectors? LOL you wish! (1)

Trevelyan (535381) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750773)

I am pretty sure the MicroUSB connector is now required in the EU.

Maybe a mircousb plug will fit it for USB and power, but the official Apple plug will have more contacts on it for other functions.

Thank God! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750219)

Now maybe one of those thousands of companies will realize the the smart move would be a USB plug for charging combined with a bluetooth system for transmitting the music. I can't seem to find anything good for my Android phone.

Re:Thank God! (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750485)

Now maybe one of those thousands of companies will realize the the smart move would be a USB plug for charging combined with a bluetooth system for transmitting the music. I can't seem to find anything good for my Android phone.

You've just described the thing in my car. As for "good", well define good. It does work... If you go to amazon.com and search for "Wagan 5 Amp AC to 12V DC Power Adapter" you'll see an $18 way to run my car's adapter thingy indoors. The absolute cheapest similar device is $12 made by Bestek. I can personally endorse the thingy in my car WRT to charging ability and sound quality being "good enough", but at home I have an elaborate 12 volt ham radio related distribution system, so I have no personal experience with $18 or $12 supplies.

Personally I like your idea but would much rather prefer a wireless charger solution. So drop the phone on the mat and it charges and the speakers also connect. This would also be nice in the car instead of having to plug in.

Just switch to USB (1, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750231)

Every other phone manufacturer seems okay with USB and a headphone socket. Same accessories, standard connector and charger.

Re:Just switch to USB (4, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750275)

To Apple that isn't a feature, it's a bug.

Re:Just switch to USB (5, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750331)

USB lacks video & audio out as well as other feature connectors. So its one custom connector, or several standard ones. Apple wants fewer connectors, so a custom one is used. Not a big deal really.

Re:Just switch to USB (1, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750381)

I know having to use both MicroUSB and 3.5mm jacks on my N900 has been an absolute nightmare. If only it had some stupid-ass proprietary connector instead to save me from the horrors of occasionally plugging in a second cable.

Re:Just switch to USB (-1, Flamebait)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750499)

It would be a good idea to use your extra cables to strangle yourself.

Re:Just switch to USB (-1, Flamebait)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750677)

LOLOLOL cry more for me fanboy, gimme those sweet tears.

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750401)

It does? I guess I need to throw away my MHL adapter that I've been using to transmit video over the USB port, since you say it can't work.

Re:Just switch to USB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750447)

So you were trying to prove his point by stating you needed an additional adapter to do what you wanted since the standard cable wouldn't?

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

jareth-0205 (525594) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750721)

So you were trying to prove his point by stating you needed an additional adapter to do what you wanted since the standard cable wouldn't?

Um... you only need the adapter if you plug it into a TV that doesn't have it. Presumably a dock for a phone designed for the purpose would have the MHL built-in, in the same way that any current Apple dock has to have special stuff built in to deal with their proprietary protocols.

Re:Just switch to USB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750577)

Now output VGA, RGB, S-Video, Component Video.

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750651)

Now output VGA, RGB, S-Video, Component Video.

Why? Have you ever actually hooked your iPhone to a component video input?

Re:Just switch to USB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750723)

Yes people have hooked their iPods, iPhones, and iPads to component video input.

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750835)

Yes, actually, and the rest. VGA for a projector, RCA composite (which is what I assume he meant) for an old TV, and component video for a new TV. I once borrowed an S-video one for an old-ish-but-newer TV, but I don't personally own it.

Re:Just switch to USB (-1, Flamebait)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750821)

USB lacks video & audio out as well as other feature connectors. So its one custom connector, or several standard ones. Apple wants fewer connectors, so a custom one is used. Not a big deal really.

Apple apologists will mod me down but screw it. This is completely asinine. A very tiny minority of of the install base ever uses those features. Miniscule. Infinitesimal. The next thing to non-existent.

Call it for what it is: Apple making a stubborn, frustrating decision that you cannot argue with, cannot debate, can only decide whether you'll begrudgingly accept it or buy something else. That's the truth of it. Painting it as anything else is lying.

Apple's one of the signatories of the micro-usb for cell phones standard. How are they weasel-dicking their way out of it now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_External_Power_Supply [wikipedia.org]

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

organgtool (966989) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750853)

USB lacks video & audio

I must be missing something here. Can anyone explain to me how USB is not capable of sending audio or video data or how the Apple connector is somehow better at sending such data?

Re:Just switch to USB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750341)

But how does that let them sell expensive accessories and get licensing money from 3rd parties who also want to make iFag device accessories?

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

milbournosphere (1273186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750431)

My understanding is that in Europe, every phone manufacturer either has to build their phone to use Micro-USB as a charging standard, or provide an adapter at no charge. If this is the case, why don't they just save everybody the headache and move to the now-rampant standard? The proposal for this came out in 2009 IIRC, so it's not like this was just sprung on them...

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750581)

The connector has more than just charging and USB data on it. Why should my phone be limited only to what can be done over USB?

Re:Just switch to USB (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750589)

Every other phone manufacturer seems okay with USB and a headphone socket. Same accessories, standard connector and charger.

Right, they should then abandon their advantage that they have built up over years with dock connectors on alarm clocks, portable stereos and car connection kits?

Wouldn't they have to replace the dock connector with two ports being an USB port and a mini HDMI port for video and audio? Even still, they would loose the serial interface for controlling/being controlled by accessories present in the dock connector.

See below:
http://irq5.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/the-apple-30-pin-dock-connector/ [wordpress.com]

The dock connector supplied not only USB data but by-directional control signals, audio and video.

No big deal (0)

vlm (69642) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750321)

That would mean the new phone would not connect with the myriad of accessories playing a part in the current ecosystem of iPods, iPads and iPhones, at least without an adapter. On the upside ...

... on the upside the large number of people who switched from apple i-products to android in the recent past (I had a touch and a nano before I got an android phone) had no problem abandoning the current i- ecosystem, so the i- fanboys will probably successfully make the same transition.

Re:No big deal (1)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750875)

Considering that 99.9% of people that "complain" about Apple products buy at least one anyway, I doubt Apple gives much of a shit about the concerns expressed here.

Yeah, but... (3, Insightful)

Antipater (2053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750337)

It's not about how big the connector is. It's how you use it!

Tim Cook Must Be Swimming A Lot! (1)

RapidEye (322253) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750339)

7" iPad and now a 19 pin connector - Tim must be doing a LOT of swimming to get that kind of apple shrinkage!

We have nothing but "reports" and a back piece. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750355)

That back piece could be a decoy to weed out leakers at Apple or it could even be a part for chinese iPhone clone. The appearance of the back plate does not look consistent with previous iDevices put out by Apple before. The speaker/microphone grills do not match in size with larger holes than I would expect and there is no benefit to having the headphone jack at the bottom if it means sacrificing symmetry and reducing the docking port. Also, the back panel having an "Apple" logo means nothing. There have been clone phone made in china before with an Apple logo and iPhone moniker. Also, the font kerning a family is wrong for "iPhone" and there are no regulatory symbols or text such as "Made in China, Designed in California".

Everything about the supposed leaked case scream "clone" to me. There were iPhone 4 "clones" released in China after the prototype was "lost" in a bar so it is entirely possible that someone leaked information about the dimensions of the new iPhone 5 to a cloner.

Apple would be giving up a vast eco-system of dock connectors on alarm clocks in homes and hotels.

Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750357)

Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!!!!

Dear Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750367)

FUUUCKKKK YOOOOUUUU

Yours Sincerely

Guerrino De Luca

I'm sorry, but this post *is* obligatory (0, Redundant)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750393)

Re:I'm sorry, but this post *is* obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750555)

Wow, we managed to get this one linked twice in one day [slashdot.org]

Re:I'm sorry, but this post *is* obligatory (1)

chispito (1870390) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750719)

It's funny, but not analogous. They aren't trying to make a new universal connector and get everyone onboard. Apple is (reportedly) trying to make a new proprietary connector for i-products only.

copycat irony (0)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750421)

Ironic how apple is competing through litigation arguing patent infringement and then blatantly copies the Nexus S 4G earphone location (http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-galaxy-nexus/143389-headset-jack-bottom-yea-nay.html)

Re:copycat irony (1)

s.o.terica (155591) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750789)

blatantly copies the Nexus S 4G earphone location

You mean the iPod nano headphone jack location from 2005 and iPod touch headphone jack location from 2007?

Re:copycat irony (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750793)

Ironic how apple is competing through litigation arguing patent infringement and then blatantly copies the Nexus S 4G earphone location (http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-galaxy-nexus/143389-headset-jack-bottom-yea-nay.html)

Do you really believe this is a real leaked part? It is more likely a chinese knock off based on "rumours" about a taller iPhone. The clones have their jack at the bottom and a smaller "dock" port like this one.

Here is an example of a clone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEhowtIJQS8 [youtube.com]

And another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-4mYehiNpI [youtube.com]

Sweet!!! (0)

dubbayu_d_40 (622643) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750449)

Just the excuse I needed to buy all new gear! La la la la la...

Don't they need a micro USB connector (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750453)

to comply with EU standards for phones?

There definitely might be an adapter... (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750455)

...and before we start frothing at the mouth over all the iPad-enabled equipment destined for landfill, there are equally credible rumors [macrumors.com] that Apple will be making an adapter.

As for why - well, they've managed to stick to the same physical connector for 10 years, which is pretty good going. Maybe it wasn't possible to add USB3 in a way that didn't break compatibility with existing docks. They probably don't need composite/component analog video now, either.

Re:There definitely might be an adapter... (2)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750739)

there are equally credible rumors [macrumors.com] that Apple will be making an adapter.

To be sold separately.

Apple Tax (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750491)

Making not-needed changes that end-up costing the loyal Apple user more money. BTW when the iPhone 5 comes-out, I hope they reduce the price on the older 4 model. I want to buy one but $550 is a steep price.

Adrian Covert (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750501)

Adrian Covert can eat a bag of steamed cock. If it was for OUR OWN good and not Apple's own good, they'd go micro USB like every other fucking device on the planet. Fuck this apple worship shit. This is a bad move for consumers in almost every conceivable way.

The old connector isn't just for pins... (2)

mlts (1038732) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750511)

One thing about the current connector Apple uses is that it doesn't just provide pins, it provides a structural element, allowing devices to plug in standing up. Without this, it will be a pain at least for a docking station to be built, especially ones that are engineered to support iPhones, iPods, and iPads, all of differing widths, heights, and thicknesses, but all sporting the same connector.

I hope this isn't the case, since it means that the whole accessory market, from the docking station that is a part of a new motorhome to the one that is built into a home theater system, to the dock that is part of a construction grade battery charger are all useless.

Re:The old connector isn't just for pins... (1)

John Napkintosh (140126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750691)

For the two docks I own, the design of the dock (i.e.: the phone resting in a form-fitting recessed "receptacle") accomplishes that task. Devices which rely on the data connector for structural support are a bad idea. Every time it wiggles while docked, it is weakening the dock's connector as well as potentially damaging the data connector on the phone.

Re:The old connector isn't just for pins... (1)

DJCouchyCouch (622482) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750745)

I'm sure Apple's thought of how the new connector will work for docks. And there will probably be adapters.

Re:The old connector isn't just for pins... (1)

Daas (620469) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750815)

I was thinking along those lines. You may hate the Apple connector all you want, but it provides 1 thing that no other USB connectors can : a docking capability. You can PLUG any Android device in a standard micro or mini-usb cable, put you can't dock it easily. On the other hand, the 30 pin connector in a cradle is elegant, convenient and you have the advantage of never having to use a cable, just dock and forget.

Will this new 19 pin connector allow for the same ease of use? No idea. But it'd be stupid to use a connector that, as parent said, isn't a structural element.

That's bullshit (1)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750557)

On the upside, a smaller connector will allow for more compact product designs.

The only thing that's compact is the connector and nothing else. The product shape, design and size will depend on its developer, creator, inventor..whatever. It's only an excuse to release a so called "new" product (iphone5) that will make you spend more money on gadgets and accessories. When they look at their stats, I'm pretty sure someone at apple decided to accept this change because lots of people bought iphone 4 accessories and he's thinking if people buy so many gadgets, they will surely buy lots of gadgets on the iphone5 even if we change the connector size.

Re:That's bullshit (2)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750767)

Forgot to tel but:

In 2011 the global market for mobile phone accessories will rake in an estimated $34 billion in revenue. Apple-approved products—accessories made by Apple or branded by Apple—make up about $2 to $3 billion of that.

from fiscal times [thefiscaltimes.com]

They can't ignore that.

Thinner! (3, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750585)

Why this relentless drive for thinness at Apple? They switched to displayport because VGA/DVI ports were too thick, and now they dropped ethernet from their new retina laptops because the RJ45 connector is too thick. Every time Apple bring out a new iThing, I see the fanboys celebrate how this is the slimmest iThing yet - another 0.25mm shaved from the thickness! Really, once a phone reaches the 'fits in pocket' size, what advantage could be gained for the user in making it slimmer? It's just became some sort of Apple dogma that thinner is better and thinnest is best.

Re:Thinner! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750687)

It's because Apple users have thin dicks and they feel inadequate in comparison to their iFag device.

Re:Thinner! (1)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750795)

if they use standards they wont make money since the product can be used anywhere. thats the point of standards. If they use another format, Apple is forcing you to buy they're products. More money to them than someone else. Apple is creating an artificial need to it's consumer like Bill Gates did with the DOS back in the days...simple math if you ask me.

11 pins, free of charge (1, Interesting)

John Napkintosh (140126) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750653)

Why were they using 30 when they only needed 19? Is some functionality going to be lost in the new connector? Are they serializing some functions that used to be parallel over the cable? Did the originally plan for some functionality they never got around to adding? Maybe just giving themselves the opportunity to remove them later and and create a market for adapters?

Re:11 pins, free of charge (2)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750731)

It's to remove pins that are no longer used.

This is good news (Sqore:30,000) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750655)

Good for them. I've been arguing for this interface change for (what seems) decades now.
My iF?? device was just too manly for my tastes and I have all of this cash (literally) lying
around waiting to throw spend on iApple un-necessary upgrades anyway...

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Where is the teardrop iPhone that Reuters said was (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750659)

Didn't all of the major news outlets believe that a teardrop LTE iPhone 5 was coming out last year? Did you all forget that?

Do you really believe Apple is going to abandon their ecosystem of dock connector accessories? Really? These reporters need to go back to school because they have become as bad as "bloggers" believing rumours and random parts that could be fake or part of a chinese knockoff designed based on the rumours about a taller iPhone.

Secret agenda perhaps (2)

ravenswood1000 (543817) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750701)

Watch them stop manufacturing the current connector as a way to make us all "upgrade".

Re:Secret agenda perhaps (1)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750849)

It's not a secret agenda, you just gotta know how to make money in the US. Apple got that right.

mini thunderbolt? (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750709)

Is it possible that this is a miniaturized Thunderbolt? Seems like that would offer all of the connectivity they want, although the pin count is off (by one). Just seems strange (although all-too Apple-like) to invent yet another connector that is different from everything else they use.

Re:mini thunderbolt? (1)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750839)

it's not strange, its called "how to make people spend more money on our products lesson 101"

Hmm... Won't this be iPhone 6? (1)

eegad (588763) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750713)

iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S ...

Best part: "it's for your own good." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750759)

Would anyone seriously expect Gizmodo to say anything else?

Why have any connectors? (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750783)

Connectors are obsolete on a device that has at least three radios in it. Charging should be inductive, video should be WiFi, and audio should be Bluetooth. Then the thing would be hole-free and could be made waterproof.

Now this [youtube.com] is what Apple should be shooting for in ruggedization.

the lack of a "standard" (1)

joneil (677771) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750827)

A few years ago a man I was talking to a man who's house along with the rest of his town was flooded. He said in his case he thought got off lucky because the water only came 2 to 2.5 feet above floor level

  But it turned out to be a huge issue because while the water wasn't high enough to destroy his small TV, his router, his printer, etc, etc, the water did destroy all the small adapters, transformers, etc, etc, he had plugged in. He told me it was a nightmare to try and replace individual transformer, usb connectors, etc, etc, because everybody was not only a bit different, but because inside the same company if your device was over 2 years old, standards had change or maybe they didn't even make or have for sale an older transformer with the old voltage & amperage specs.

      Or sometimes he would run into the "problem" of where "sure we can get it, but it will take two months, and you can just buy a whole new thing-ama-jig for just $10 more." This in turn led to arguements with the insurance company, and so forth. He told me a new charger for his cell phone was the worst "offender" He just ended up with a new cell phone.

      I remember him very clearing saying "why not just a universal standard for everything? One cable from your computer for everything and one transformer for everything?" He figured if there was ever a floor like that again, "everything is going to fall into the water by accident".

      This whole idea of so many different proprietary connectors strikes me as nothing more than a fancy, expanded take on those old Depression era make work projects where men would dig ditches one day and then fill them in the next day. In the short term it makes some people money, but in a long term, on a planet with limited resources, overall a terrible waste.

Just More Gizmodo Apple Worship (0)

deweyhewson (1323623) | more than 2 years ago | (#40750847)

Did anyone else read the actual article? It's nothing more than continued blind Apple adoration on the part of Gizmodo, and they're even willing to grasp at straws to do it.

Not only does their entire argument hinge on some vague defense of Apple "looking forward" on this issue, whatever that means, but they even make statements such as the following: "And while we don't know much about its specs for now, it wouldn't be unimaginable for it to enable faster data transfer rates."

That's right, folks. We support this because of some vague, unsubstantiated belief in possible greater technical capabilities from this move!

Give me a break. If Apple really cared about new abilities, or smaller size, there are already a myriad of non-proprietary standards they could have gone with. Let's just quit with the apologism and accept that they saw an easy opportunity to once again squeeze money from a new proprietary standard, and are taking it.

OMG, News! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40750869)

That would mean the new phone would not connect with the myriad of accessories playing a part in the current ecosystem of iPods, iPads and iPhones, at least without an adapter. On the upside, a smaller connector will allow for more compact product designs.

Summary makes it sound as if the fact that everyone has to re-buy all their accessories is a downside for Apple.

And also: OMG, News! Did you hear Apple is changing their CONNECTOR???!!!!!

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