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Apple Wins EU Ban of Smaller Samsung Tablet, Demands $2.5 Billion In Damages

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the go-big-or-go-home dept.

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walterbyrd writes with news that Apple has won a preliminary injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 across the European Union, thanks to a decision in a German regional court today. At the same time, the court re-affirmed the denial of an injunction against the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, a version of Samsung's 10.1" tablet that was modified to avoid infringing upon the same patents Apple had asserted earlier. The two companies are still fighting on the other side of the Atlantic as well. In a filing today in a San Diego, California court, Apple is claiming $2.5 billion in damages. "Samsung's infringing sales have enabled Samsung to overtake Apple as the largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world. Samsung has reaped billions of dollars in profits and caused Apple to lose hundreds of millions of dollars through its violation of Apple's intellectual property." Samsung, of course, thinks it should owe much less — $0.0049 per unit per patent — if anything.

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377 comments

Why foss patents? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752459)

The story links almost entirely to FOSS Patents, which is the Microsoft-paid Florian Schillers website. Did no one else report this story ?

Re:Why foss patents? (3, Insightful)

RanCossack (1138431) | about 2 years ago | (#40752551)

The story links almost entirely to FOSS Patents, which is the Microsoft-paid Florian Schillers website. Did no one else report this story ?

Seriously. This is *slashdot*. We should know better.

Re:Why foss patents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752629)

You must be new here.

Re:Why foss patents? (3, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#40752663)

Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] did as well, but it isn't terribly in-depth.

samsung fp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752467)

i put my sam in her sung, and now my sperm has infringed her patents.

I always wondered (2, Insightful)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | about 2 years ago | (#40752469)

How high these people have to be to demande few billions in damages ? Remember Oracle and Google ?

Re:I always wondered (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752839)

I think that the number is based on the profit Samsung made from these devices, Apple's alleged "losses" due to these products, and some punitive amount added in for good measure.

Just goes to show how much is at stake.

Re:I always wondered (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 2 years ago | (#40753021)

You can ask for whatever you want. You can ask for a zillion euro, a pony, a unicorn, the moon. A unicorn on the moon.

Re:I always wondered (3, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#40753161)

Don't try to swallow the moon, though. It'll all dissolve, see, and the moonbeams will shoot out your fingers and toes and the ends of your hair. Then Philips will sue you for patent infringment and you'll end up back where you started.

Re:Here is your answer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753057)

How high these people have to be to demande few billions in damages ? Remember Oracle and Google ?

Since Apples Tax shelter is located in the Netherlands in a small coffee shop in Amsterdam.

There allways pretty dam high.

Hey Apple (3, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#40752493)

Fuck Off

Love

Samsung

Re:Hey Apple (-1, Flamebait)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752611)

I think it would be much better for everyone if Samsung just started innovating instead of copying Apple. I really mean that, no matter if it's right or not almost every single "pad" out there looks like an iPad. I expect someone like Samsung to be able to come up with something of their own.

Re:Hey Apple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752699)

Yes, "make it not rectangular, or not flat, or not have rounded corners" as Apple's consultant said about possible ways to not infringe on Apple's design.

Re:Hey Apple (3, Insightful)

HexaByte (817350) | about 2 years ago | (#40752979)

I just went back into my parents box of save school papers from long ago, I was drawing rectangles with rounded corners when I was still wearing short-pant.

I wonder how many billion I can sue Apple for for stealing my design.

This whole "it looks too much like mine" crap has got to stop. If you make it with sharp corners, you get sued when it pokes out someone's eye. If you make it round corners, you get sued because it looks too much like Apple's.

And how can they assume that Samsung's profits are their losses? Maybe people were just too smart to get locked into a closed system.

Re:Hey Apple (0, Redundant)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 2 years ago | (#40753043)

Apple is a private company using a broken patent system the way every other private company would if they held those patents. The system is the problem. Apple is just doing its fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder wealth. Blame the system. Reform the system.

Don't hate the player...

Re:Hey Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752705)

Almost every car has 4 wheels.

Lazy.

Re:Hey Apple (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#40752977)

And the same bunch of windows. 1 at the front, 1 at the back, and a set on each side, usually attached to the tops of doors. Bunch of lazy fuckers all copying the Model A. Notice how all the wheels are rounded too? Pathetic.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752721)

And the tablets of old -- the ones 10 years ago? Had a few more ports, but was a rectangular solid-coloured slab (even those that were "convertible" laptops).

How else would you design a tablet? Even the movie 2001 had a black rectangular slab, and tablets didn't even exist back then.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752725)

Make us a drawing of a tablet that doesn't look like an iPad please. I'm curious what it would look like.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 2 years ago | (#40753399)

If you really want to see what that would look like, go to Best Buy, then go one aisle over from the Apple display. What you'll find is thirty other tablets that don't look like an iPad. They even pass the 'ten foot' test.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about 2 years ago | (#40752727)

Keep drinking...

Re:Hey Apple (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#40752751)

Yeah, like a matte gray pyramid shaped tablet with sharp corners and a proprietary 49 pin connector.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#40752757)

So you think that the rest of us should wait 20 years while Apple OWNS the tablet market then?

That's basically what you're saying.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752773)

Isn't that why we have patents? To give innovators an exclusive period of time.

Re:Hey Apple (2, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40752819)

Isn't that why we have patents? To give innovators an exclusive period of time.

The key word being 'innovators'.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752859)

So you're saying the iPad was not innovative?

Re:Hey Apple (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40752929)

So you're saying the iPad was not innovative?

Yes. At least in the patent sense. Certainly in the design sense. If there was any innovation it was in removing the desktop user interface in favor of something that worked better on a tablet.

Or would you seriously argue that someone skilled in the arts of electronics design wouldn't obviously have thought of something rectangular with rounded corners and a glass screen when designing a tablet?

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752935)

You're saying rounded corners are innovative?

I remember then being an upgrade going from a NES to a SNES over 20 years ago. There's probably even older examples, but I don't know them offhand.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#40753053)

Nope, it was evolutionary. Not revolutionary.

It's not that different to a large Palm Pilot. A bigger colour screen and a bit more CPU.

Re:Hey Apple (2)

amoeba1911 (978485) | about 2 years ago | (#40753097)

The answer is most definitely: Yes. We're all saying that the iPad was NOT innovative. There are over 50 prior art examples for a tablet shaped computing device. It's pretty cool that Apple was the very first to make a soccer-mom oriented version of a tablet computer, but Apple most certainly had nothing to do with the first tablet computers, which predate the iPad by about a two decades.

Apple invented the tablet computer as much as Edison invented the light bulb.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752865)

No, to give INVENTORS and exclusive period of time. Innovation is not invention, and an obvious design should not be patentable.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | about 2 years ago | (#40752919)

Look at the gun patents from the 1800s. A small change and a new patent was issues. Patents were clear. They were not vague. Did different manufactures sue each other? Sure. But those cases were settled one way or another really fast. All the manufacture got to make their guns. Apple wants to stop all other manufactures from making anything that Apple sells. Apple is getting patents that are as wide as possible to discourage any other company from entering the market. The patent system someone how went from protecting the little guy from the big company to a tool for big companies to whack everyone else in the head with.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#40752803)

Seriously? How do you propose you design a flat piece of glass with a computer and battery attached to it other than slate-like?
EVen the iPad looks eerily similar to those devices used on Star Trek and other movies and TVs

Re:Hey Apple (0)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752837)

Why should it be a flat piece of glass with a computer and battery attached to it?
Google is looking into making glasses, now that's innovation!
The other manufacturers should look at Google and start thinking outside the box.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752895)

Aren't we talking about tablets, not goggles?

Re:Hey Apple (1, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#40753139)

Yeah like after Ford got a big hit with the Model T, anyone else who wanted to make a car should have made motorcycles and...motorized skateboards and stuff, and left the cars to Ford, forever.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40753311)

That's why patents expire.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753403)

Tablets existed before the iPad you fucking moron.

Re:Hey Apple (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#40753011)

Because it's a tablet, based off a smart phone that looks pretty similar, just smaller.

Goggles are another product entirely, or do you propose that the google self-driving car is equivalent to a tablet?

Re:Hey Apple (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | about 2 years ago | (#40753271)

"Copying Apple"? You call THIS - copying? (Actual language used in Apple's brief) A rectangular product shape with all four corners uniformly rounded The front surface of the product dominated by a screen surface with black borders As to the iPad product, substantial black borders on all sides being roughly equal in width

Re:Hey Apple (0)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40753325)

Put them side by side and look at them. Yes, they are copying Apple.

Re:Hey Apple (2)

bhagwad (1426855) | about 2 years ago | (#40753387)

Put two fridges side by side. I'm sure they'll look alike too. Or two desktop pcs.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753485)

then they all copied my monitor, which is exactly that. no mention of touch screen, what they did wast take my 24" monitor, shrink it down and put a touch screen on it, i don't care if they have the exact same form factor, dimensions, weight and density. Apple did not invent the black rectangle with round corners. Seriously, the monitor i am looking at right now is exactly that description.

Re:Hey Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753461)

This really shouldn't have been modded down. There are a zillion other tablet designs out there, so it's not like anybody could realisitically claim that Samsung just innocently landed on that one and had no other choice.

Boy the attitudes around here would be different if the roles were reversed.

Apple is the new Microsoft (4, Insightful)

cyberspittle (519754) | about 2 years ago | (#40752509)

When Microsoft had a majority in the PC market they behaved just as badly. With Apple have their lead in tablets, looks like they are now the new Microsoft.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40752635)

I don't remember Microsoft ever being quite as evil as Apple now are.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

geek (5680) | about 2 years ago | (#40752689)

Microsoft couldnt be that evil. It didn't control the hardware. Apple owns the whole ball of wax and can swing it any way they wish. Microsoft had to do most of its evil behind the scenes via contracts and licensing. Apple can just come right and bend you over some judges desk and stick the gavel up your ass.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (5, Informative)

cyberspittle (519754) | about 2 years ago | (#40752855)

I think that you are mistaken, or perhaps young. Microsoft had restrictive licensing agreements that stated you could not install other operating systems if you used MS-DOS / Windows preinstalled. This essentially killed IBMs OS/2. At the same time, other DOS vendors were pushed out. Some were even a multi-tasking version of DOS. I guess that is all history now. The main reason to the rise of Linux is that it was free. How can you compete with free? No one would want to pay extra for an operating system, such as IBM OS/2, when the computer was already installed with Microsoft MS-DOS/Windows or latter Windows 95. Consider yourself schooled.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (0, Troll)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752703)

Is it evil to defend your intellectual property?
I suspect enforcing GPL is also evil?

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (5, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#40752793)

What property?

These are a bunch of bogus patents that amount to going down to city hall and declaring it your personal mansion. At least with copyright, I can write my own kernel or my own web browser.

A patent is not "Apple's property". It's their license to steal mine. I can't write a kernel or a web browser any more because they "own" that.

> Is it evil to defend your intellectual property?

If you're the British East India Company? Probably so.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (3, Interesting)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40752921)

Is it evil to defend your intellectual property?

If your intellectual property includes stuff like "a rectangle with rounded corners" the, yes--yes it is.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (-1, Troll)

zr (19885) | about 2 years ago | (#40753127)

with all due respect, a simple design is tough to come up with, but easy to steal. apple have every right to defend the product line they've surely agonized to invent and promote. now samsung and others are reaping what someone else sown. let them invent their own stuff, does tablet _have_ to be a rectangle with rounded corners? they didnt used to be before the ipad. nor were the phones.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (2)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#40753295)

In the early 00s there certainly were rectangle with rounded corner tablets.
Checkout Electrovaya Scribbler SC-2000 for example

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (3, Informative)

geminidomino (614729) | about 2 years ago | (#40753357)

with all due respect, a simple design is tough to come up with, but easy to steal. Gene Roddenberry has every right to defend the product line he surely agonized to invent and promote. now Apple and others are reaping what someone else sown

Fixed that for you. For fuck's sake, the "flat, rounded rectangle" thing predates Apple Computer by like, a decade at least.

(Yeah, Gene probably wasn't the first either, but I think the point is clear.)

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#40753377)

An Etch-a-Sketch is a rectangular tablet with rounded corner.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about 2 years ago | (#40752937)

Is it evil to defend your intellectual property?

Yes.

I suspect enforcing GPL is also evil?

Different domain.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752997)

I suspect enforcing GPL is also evil?

Different domain.

Right, everyone defends Samsung because they use Android Linux.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (2)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | about 2 years ago | (#40753015)

A rectangle with rounded corners is intellectual property?

I like to see the pay offs at the patent office. A rectangle with rounded corners has been around for decades if not longer. Look at furniture tables. Monitors have been in a rectangle shape with rounded corners long before tablet computers existed. Those are displaying things. They are not hand held. Laptops themselves are rectangle shaped with rounded corners. Three examples of prior art right there. Two of them are in the computing field. How again was that patent granted?

And to quote Mr. Jobs: Good artists copy. Great artists steal. That is from the guy running the ship. Does anyone think that Apple didn't take someone else idea and patent it first?

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

bhagwad (1426855) | about 2 years ago | (#40753197)

Enough. Please.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40752765)

.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

Good one.
Wait, you were serious?

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (2)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40752869)

Then you clearly haven't made any effort at looking up Microsoft's history.

The only difference between Microsoft and Apple is that Apple is taking it's battles head on. Microsoft prefered to do things like illegal distribution contracts (eg: if you sell a competitors products, you can't sell ours), subverting standards bodies (eg: the OOXML fiasco), etc.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752925)

I don't remember Microsoft ever being quite as evil as Apple now are.

Loathe as I am to admit to a greater evil than Microsoft in the computing world, I must agree. Microsoft's major thing was making proprietary solutions we already had other solutions for and strong-arming everyone else out of a market via manipulation of their OS monopoly. In hindsight and in the light of Apple, there was a subtlety to Microsoft's tactics, still allowing even the illusion of competition (and some cases where they failed in their tactics and were forced to compete). You could almost be convinced that Microsoft wasn't just bludgeoning everyone else into submission by coasting in on a substandard, nonstandard OS that everyone used at the time. Almost.

Apple, on the other hand, straight-up refuses to compete. At all. A threat in one of their markets? Sue them out of existence. A better product shows up outside of their precious pre-ordained release/marketing schedule and threatens their bottom lines? Sue them out of existence. Someone else beats them to the punch on a technology? Get really, really bitter and sue them out of existence with obscure, obvious patents. Microsoft didn't go straight to the courts when they were threatened. Sure, they came back with either substandard or trivially improved products inextricably linked to their OS, or they bought the company out and absorbed the products, but they only went to the courts when there was actually a case to be made. Apple's very clearly on a slash-and-burn strategy, hell-bent on destroying the entire industry if they have to just to avoid any competition.

I tried a MacBook once a few years back (before Apple went apeshit). I thought it was cute, but didn't see the whole obsession angle, and my next laptop was a ThinkPad. Now I'm glad I made that choice. Shame I'll never be able to sell the MacBook, owing to Apple's not only planned, but FORCED obsolescence...

I read once before that there was a time when IBM was the Evil Empire(tm). It was then mentioned, by someone who was there for both, that in light of Microsoft, the old-timers never knew how good they had it with IBM in charge. I guess history's repeated itself once again.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 2 years ago | (#40753411)

Forced obsolescence? I own a Macbook that I bought in 2005. Only now, with the upcoming release of Mountain Lion, will it be unsupported. That's a hell of a lot longer than most companies support their hardware. Try installing Windows 8 on a 2005 Thinkpad. Let me know how well it works for you.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753027)

The current Apple evil seems to be about image, they are also being vindictive and abusing the patent/legal system as mercinaries/thugs.

If microsoft has ever cared about image, I haven't noticed. Their evil has always seemed more low key, and perhaps more carefully thought out (apple definitely is coming across as hot headed and greedy). They play games with vendor agreements, lock-in, and general monopolistic crap.

It's hard to say which is actually more evil, and it really doesn't matter much. Both are just evilllllll.

I wonder how long the image obsession and the android vendetta will last with Steve out of the picture.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#40752667)

Apple is far away from having a majority.
It just happens that they make all the money.

Everywhere in the UE ? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752547)

So Samsung's products get banned *everywhere* in the UE because a little regional court (even probably corrupted, who knows) decided so ? It's insane. A such case should be treated in a european court ...

This war was already ridiculous before, but now it's just hard to believe.

Question to Apple (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752577)

Of all those people that bought the Galaxy Tab would had bought the iPad if the Galaxy Tab didn't have round corners? Hmm.. All of them? Your damage claim is bull shit. Stop looking at the Movie and Music industry for business tactics. You are being insane!

Its getting stupid now. (5, Interesting)

spikestabber (644578) | about 2 years ago | (#40752581)

Samsung just needs to stop making A5 cpu's in Texas and cut a ton of American jobs, see how quick will get the government's attention on this whole patent mess.

Re:Its getting stupid now. (0)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#40752735)

Samsung just needs to stop making A5 cpu's in Texas and cut a ton of American jobs, see how quick will get the government's attention on this whole patent mess.

Apple has won a preliminary injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 across the European Union, thanks to a decision in a German regional court today

Hmm, methinks someone needs to brush up on their geography a bit (the patent in question is a European design patent, which are a kind of patent the US does not even have. Which, yes, makes the US look like the reasonable one in this area. )

Re:Its getting stupid now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752823)

Methinks you need to brush up on design patents, which the US in fact does have, and has had for quite a long while now.

Re:Its getting stupid now. (3, Insightful)

spikestabber (644578) | about 2 years ago | (#40752933)

Sorry but this crap is happening in the US as well. Apple is an American company, Samsung A5 CPU's are used in Apple devices, my comment applies.

Re:Its getting stupid now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753073)

Except that move would have nothing to do with stupid design patents...

Seems fair.... (1)

Fatch Racall (2330110) | about 2 years ago | (#40752673)

...because obviously, people accidentally bought Samsung tablets when they meant to buy an apple device. The designs are just that similar.

Re:Seems fair.... (5, Insightful)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#40752829)

And 7 inch tablets at that! Because it's so similar to the 7" iPad

Half a penny per unit? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40752677)

If Samsung got their way, they'd pay very little in damages.

Re:Half a penny per unit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752915)

That's not what Samsung proposed. It's what Apple believes Samsung's standard essential wireless patents are worth per patent.

The number was supposedly arrived at by taking the cost of the component which these patents cover, and dividing that cost by the approximate number of standards essential patents that are used in that component.

even less (1)

DynamoJoe (879038) | about 2 years ago | (#40752953)

Rounded to the nearest cent, it's $0.00 per unit. Maybe they're hoping to write Apple a check for zero dollars and zero cents.

Re:even less (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753107)

Yeah, but sell 10 million and you have enough to underpay two apple store employees for a year!

Re:Half a penny per unit? (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about 2 years ago | (#40752983)

They should pay zilch.

Urgent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752685)

My website is much less popular than slashdot, this has caused great monetary losses to my business, which would have been very successful otherwise. I demand $1,000,000,000 American Dollars in damages for this horric injustice.

Let me be the first to say (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752693)

GOODBYE FUCKLE ASSDROID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuckle Assdroid is nothing more than a fucking clone of iOS. Say your prayers Fuckle because once Apple is done with the other players they will rightfully sue your arses for everything you have and then leave you in so far fucking debt.that Fuckle will cease to exist, permanently.

7.7 (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 2 years ago | (#40752707)

Well, that's further confirmation that Apple's about to release a 7" tab. Sue everyone else for a design you don't even have a product for yet. Interesting they've gone after the 7.7 and not the old first Tab perhaps (maybe just what's being sold still I guess). 7.7 + Jellybean is probably going to compete very favourably with whatever Apple brings out at that size too. I just hope that when it IS released, the media holds up existing tablets and says 'Apple's done a great job of copying other 7" tablets here' and point things out for what they are. They won't of course, it'll only be all the tech sites making the 'does it come with sandpaper for your finger' jokes! But it'd be nice to call out Apple at the same time as the product is released for being derivative of existing hardware.

Distribution from Germany (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752785)

Key point missing: EU distribution currently is happening from Germany, where German judges can set the rules.
That's why a German ban is currently a de facto EU-wide ban.

I say currently, because the same case played in the Netherlands, and Apple has lost twice there now. They're taking it to the Dutch supreme court -- I wouldn't be too surprised if, should that court favour Samsung as well, the Netherlands suddenly becomes the distribution center for this stuff in the EU.

(Basically: yes they could move to another EU country, until they were challenged there. I just don't think judges would like that approach -- deliberately evading justice does not score bonus points with them. However, the legality of the tab was already affirmed by Dutch courts, making it more a business decision than an evasion.
I am not a lawyer, so if you're samsung, use this advice at your own risk :)

Are they phones or tablets? (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#40752821)

I thought the Galaxy Tab 10 and 7.7 were tablets, but Apple was quoted saying:

"Samsung's infringing sales have enabled Samsung to overtake Apple as the largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world. Samsung has reaped billions of dollars in profits and caused Apple to lose hundreds of millions of dollars through its violation of Apple's intellectual property."

Why does Samsung's status as a smartphone manufacturer have anything to do with tablets?

And why is Apple suing for $2.5B in damages when by their own admission, they lost only "hundreds of millions of dollars"?

Re:Are they phones or tablets? (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 2 years ago | (#40753239)

Projected sales perhaps? And it's interesting that they went after the 7.7, as that IS the one usually with the cellular connection (there's a wifi model as well, but I think Apple's intent was to aim for the 3G version). And as I think we can see the market direction, the difference between smartphones/tablets is shrinking to be smartdevices that use wifi/3g/led blinking/chirping to communicate around them, so Apple's thinking 'lets get this war won now by claiming any device, rather than having to fight this again for every future disruptive tech' This is a proxy war against Google, they know it, we know it, it's obvious they'll let slip sometimes what they see the big picture as.

Re:Are they phones or tablets? (1)

amoeba1911 (978485) | about 2 years ago | (#40753329)

And why is Apple suing for $2.5B in damages when by their own admission, they lost only "hundreds of millions of dollars"?

Lawyers... they use fuzzy math.

Oh Apple, Apple, Apple (4, Insightful)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 2 years ago | (#40752833)

I don't use Samsung products because they borrowed Apple's intellectual property without permission. I use Samsung products because they are not Apple iOS products. If it wasn't Apple, it'd be HTC, LG, or any other provider of Android based hardware. Your suing Samsung into oblivion and killing market choice is not going to endear me to your products in the future. Frankly, I'd rather just do without. No one needs a tablet.

If you can't beat 'em, sue 'em! (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#40752851)

Looks like Apple has a new business model.

They say it like it's a bad thing (1)

Minter92 (148860) | about 2 years ago | (#40752961)

"Samsung's infringing sales have enabled Samsung to overtake Apple as the largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world. Samsung has reaped billions of dollars in profits and caused Apple to lose hundreds of millions of dollars through its violation of Apple's intellectual property."

$2.5 billion a pittance to use rectangle (3, Funny)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#40752981)

Samsung could have used a circle, a pentagram or even a doughnut. There was no reason to copy Apple's proprietary rectangular design. Samsung needs to do their own research to find the best shape for their product and stop stealing Apple's.

Re: $2.5 billion a pittance to use rectangle (3, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#40753215)

"Your honour, clearly this is not a rectangle with rounded corners. It is a circle that has been extended in area by adding straight edges at the cardinal points."

Re: $2.5 billion a pittance to use rectangle (1)

WhackAttack (2672021) | about 2 years ago | (#40753521)

Well then Apple should have used a circle or pentagram, because Microsoft actually came out with the first tablet, the Tablet PC. Just nobody paid any attention to it. So Apple copied Microsoft. And using a specific shape for a device is not "copying" the design. Using the specific dimensions, etc. is copying, but that is not what Samsung has done.

this will keep happening until... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40752991)

Companies, specifically Apple in this case, will keep acting evilly until people wake up and STOP GIVING THEM MORE MONEY.

Just stop buying Apple products. That's the only form of communication they understand.

I'm starting to notice a pattern... (1)

evilRhino (638506) | about 2 years ago | (#40752999)

In the Apple vs Samsung patent war, it seems like almost every Apple initiated suit results in a win or injunction, but a Samsung initiated suit usually results in a loss followed by a judge that questions why a suit like it should even be brought up. The main outcome is stifling innovation and reducing competition for end consumer.

Re:I'm starting to notice a pattern... (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 2 years ago | (#40753251)

Does seem that way doesn't it?

Apple is a piece of shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40753051)

Apple is a piece of shit.

Evolving the Language (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about 2 years ago | (#40753129)

These people add a whole new scale of meaning to the phrase ex recto.

stupid (2)

WhackAttack (2672021) | about 2 years ago | (#40753419)

All these court cases are pointless. It's better for the consumers to have choices and for the companies to have competition. If the companies have competition, they may lower their prices, hence, better for the consumer.

Samsung vs Apple (1)

umask077 (122989) | about 2 years ago | (#40753447)

Apples losing share because they do not stay current on tech. They are behind the phone system. Also there product was designed to be idiot proof but idiot proof frustrates technical people. Take that and Apple Itunes monopoly and policies and you have a recipe for a losing market share. I have owned a Iphone and presently own a Samsung Galaxy Note. Its nice to access the LTE network for more speed.

These are both good quality products but I will favor the Samsung from now on. Apple should quit its whining just because someone has a similar product and improve its product.

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