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Google Warned Samsung Galaxy Tab Was "Too Similar"

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the word-to-the-wise dept.

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tlhIngan writes "Some interesting news has come out of Apple's filings against Samsung. First, Google warned Samsung that their 'P1' (Galaxy Tab) and 'P3' (Galaxy Tab 10.1) tablets were 'too similar' to the iPad. In addition, Samsung's own Product Design Group note it was 'regrettable' that the Galaxy S 'looks similar' to the iPhone. Finally, how designers at a Samsung-sponsored evaluation noted the Galaxy S 'copied the iPhone too much' and 'innovation is needed.' Of course, Samsung has some ammunition of its own, including how Apple copied Sony's designs. In unrelated news, Judge Grewal has sanctioned Samsung for not preserving emails from automatic deletion, even after litigation has begun."

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Again? (5, Insightful)

neo8750 (566137) | about 2 years ago | (#40790065)

Again and again and again.... Cant we just move on? Its an electronic tablet its going to be similar cause well its a tablet. I'm sick of this shit anyone else?

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790085)

Everyone except Apple's lawyers.

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790089)

I too am sick of this shit.

Re:Again? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790151)

If you are sick of it just move on, why comment?

Re:Again? (5, Interesting)

CodeHxr (2471822) | about 2 years ago | (#40790185)

I'm sure that most of us are. It seems that our only recourse, though, is to simply not buy Apple products to show them we disapprove of their actions. Good luck getting the masses to part with their iToys though.

Re:Again? (3, Interesting)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 2 years ago | (#40790223)

I'm sure that most of us are. It seems that our only recourse, though, is to simply not buy Apple products to show them we disapprove of their actions. Good luck getting the masses to part with their iToys though.

Similarly, those of us who think Samsung are in the wrong will avoid buying "iToy" ripoffs.

Re:Again? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790263)

>Similarly, those of us idiots who think Samsung are in the wrong will avoid buying "iToy" ripoffs.

FTFY ;)

Re:Again? (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#40791079)

That's the beautiful thing about capitalism and the free market.

The peasantry is in control rather than a few Robber Barons.

"Too much like Apple" doesn't suit my requirements. It has nothing to do with confusing some corporate brand fixation with something that actually justifies some kind of loyalty.

Lots of good reasons not to buy Apple (1, Troll)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 2 years ago | (#40790481)

Apple products are way over-priced, and Apple's "control freakery" is a constant annoyance.

In terms of features, and performance, Apple often lags behind the competition.

Then there is the distastfulness of Apple's business practices. In this regard, Apple is worse than Microsoft by miles. From Apple's slave labor, to Apple's lack of environmental concerns, to Apple constant litigious scams.

Re:Lots of good reasons not to buy Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790673)

So how do you explain that Samsung's hardware costs exactly the same amount of "overprice" as Apple's?

Re:Lots of good reasons not to buy Apple (3, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#40791151)

Not quite.

Samsung's alternative options cost HALF of what the Apple version does. That is, I can choose a different set of tradeoffs and spend less. It's rather similar to how I use ION nettops in the place of Mac Minis.

A diversity of options is nice this way. I get what I want rather than the singular package deal that some monopoly wannabe wants to offer me.

Re:Lots of good reasons not to buy Apple (5, Insightful)

Deorus (811828) | about 2 years ago | (#40790923)

Apple products are way over-priced, and Apple's "control freakery" is a constant annoyance.

Feel free to not buy from them. Other consumers clearly disagree with you, and so does the competition, which is selling products at the same price.

In terms of features, and performance, Apple often lags behind the competition.

What competition? What features? What performance?

Then there is the distastfulness of Apple's business practices. In this regard, Apple is worse than Microsoft by miles. From Apple's slave labor, to Apple's lack of environmental concerns, to Apple constant litigious scams.

Apple is pretty open about their business practices. What exactly is it that you don't trust about them? You may dislike their business practices, but that doesn't mean they can't be trusted.

Regarding the rest of your comment, can you provide evidence regarding that slave labor, lack of environmental concerns, and litigious scams you talk about? Do you even know what you're talking about? Are you aware that it has been shown that none of that is actually true? Please provide evidence so that I can provide counter-evidence.

Re:Again? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 2 years ago | (#40791213)

Don't you mean, "Not buy anything but Apple products." You know, to show them we disapprove of the copiers?

Re:Again? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790229)

I'll alert the courts. I'm sure they'll wrap this up immediately, sire.

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790337)

It's a bottle of cola. It's going to be similar because, well, it's a bottle of cola. Except, well, a bottle of Coke is a unique trade design that is protected by a similar design patent to ensure other bottles of cola don't mimic their design with the intent of looking _the same_. After all, "the same" and "similar" are two different things.

Yes, tablets are going to have similar design requirements but why did Samsung design theirs to look _the same_ as the iPad while other tablet manufacturers were able to not do so?

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790399)

if you can't immediately tell the difference between a samsung tab and an apple ipad, then you aren't someone who would truly care which one you've got anyway.

hell they've got different aspect ratios for christ's sake. they're not even the same goddamn shape of rectangle!

Re:Again? (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#40790453)

if you can't immediately tell the difference between a samsung tab and an apple ipad, then you aren't someone who would truly care which one you've got anyway.

That's very presumptuous of you, for all you know the GP poster might be gay.

My Mac sucks! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790641)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

Re:My Mac sucks! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790711)

my god, somebody reached back into the 1990s for that copypasta.

Re:My Mac sucks! (2)

AngryDeuce (2205124) | about 2 years ago | (#40790767)

I remember the first time I did acid, too.

Re:Again? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790725)

if you can't immediately tell the difference between a samsung tab and an apple iPad...

Then you're a Samsung lawyer?

... then you aren't someone who would truly care which one you've got anyway.

And that is _EXACTLY_ what design patents are intended to protect against - confusion in the market place. "I'm going to buy an iPad" turning into "oh, I bought something called a Galaxy Tab instead... Whoops."

Re:Again? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#40790759)

Then maybe you should read the packaging before buying? We can't even hold people to standards of basic literacy?

Re:Again? (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | about 2 years ago | (#40790913)

If we do not require basic literacy to vote, we sure are not going to require it to buy computers.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790949)

But shiny toys are more important than dumb things like voting. Everyone knows that voting is only for old people.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40791017)

Ummm .... from judging by your overly flawed logic it's not required to actually possess a brain to be allowed to post comments on slashdot either... Dumbass!

Re:Again? (2)

tom17 (659054) | about 2 years ago | (#40790625)

This is wildly different. In the case of the Coke bottle, it is a recognisable sculpted design due to the waist. If they had patented the regular straight-sided bottle shape, it would have been just as ridiculous trying to defend that as it is to defend a rectangle with rounded corners.

The plain straight sided bottle is a basic shape (As are numerous other bottle shapes). The coke bottle is not a basic shape.
The rounded rectangle iPhone is a basic shape. If they wanted to "Think Different", maybe they should have made it narrower in the middle or some other unique design feature.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790951)

It has fuckin SAMSUNG written in bold font at the top douche bag

Re:Again? (1)

tom17 (659054) | about 2 years ago | (#40791203)

I think you meant to reply to the post before mine?

Re:Again? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#40790737)

A bottle of coke is a design that is not primarily functional. The tablet design is.

Re:Again? (1)

butchersong (1222796) | about 2 years ago | (#40790919)

It's a tablet. Short of mangling the aspect ratio to make yours a unique shape how do you go about doing this? You have a screen, you put your electronics behind the screen, you try to minimize buttons/case size as much as possible... you do this and any table becomes hard to distinguish from an ipad unless you paint it hot pink or something.

Re:Again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40791119)

You have a screen, you put your electronics behind the screen

The design patent does not exclude competitors from doing that. Have you read it?

you try to minimize buttons/case size as much as possible

You do that because Apple does that. When iPhone first came out, and often still today, a vocal minority howled about how few buttons it has and about the minimal bezel. iPad simply scales up iPhone's form.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790567)

Who cares what a borderline illiterate thinks?

Re:Again? (5, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | about 2 years ago | (#40790591)

I would question the IQ of any customer buying a TV or a computer or a tablet device based on how it looks from 10 feet distance; and not bothering what's inside it. I would ban design patents for ALL electronic goods based on the above principle.

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40791219)

They do bother with what's inside it. Just because they also consider aesthetics as a factor in their purchase doesn't prevent consideration of everything else.

And, dim as you are you'll need to read this twice: governments wouldn't need to ban design patents, they'd need to not issue them in the first place. A subtle disntinction to the witless but an important one to the most of us.

Re:Again? (2)

Truedat (2545458) | about 2 years ago | (#40790917)

But why should slashdot move on from these submissions when members such as yourself keep swallowing the click bait? If you look at these Apple vs Samsung/google submissions they regularly attract posts in their hundreds.

I often hear Android fans say that they refuse to buy Apple as a sign of disapproval, so how about not clicking on these stories for the same reason?

Re:Again? (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#40791023)

It's the classic catch-22.

        If you don't copy the market leader, you are dismissed out of hand.

        If you do copy the market leader, you are accused of copying.

It's just that it usually doesn't lead to patent trolling suits and your product being banned from sale anywhere.

"Why does god need a starship?"

and everyone copied microsoft (0)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#40790099)

all the tablets look like thinner versions of the tablet bill gates presented in 2002. of course it used x86 because everything else was too slow at the time

i like apple, but they took OS X, stripped a lot of unneeded parts out, changed code to run it on ARM CPU's and called it the iphone/ipad

Re:and everyone copied microsoft (4, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#40790213)

Those bastards! Next thing you know, someone going to start building phones based on Linux!

Re:and everyone copied microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790501)

i like apple, but they took OS X, stripped a lot of unneeded parts out, changed code to run it on ARM CPU's and called it the iphone/ipad

Even if the kernel between OS X and iOS is the same there is a lot of stuff built on top of it that required a lot of work. Saying iOS is just stropped down OS X is about like saying Android is stripped down Linux.

One two three..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790111)

Start fight. Tantanaka.....tantanakka....tan.

Re:One two three..... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40790459)

foul

It's a rectangle. (4, Interesting)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#40790113)

There were featureless rounded corner rectangle tablets before the iPad.

There were touchscreen driven grid of icons phone user interfaces before it iPhone.

Apparently the slide to unlock is so obvious that Apple have to publicly apologise for claiming otherwise.

They're similar because it's an obvious idea which had been done before.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790235)

Even those tablets made of stone or clay, made thousands of years ago, have rounded corners ...

As for the same proportions, google "golden ratio/segment/section". The greeks were the first one to discover it, thousands of years ago. Sorry to disappoint, there's no conspiracy.

Apply that math to some of the more common resolutions, and you'll see what it's all about.

Regards,
JW

Re:It's a rectangle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790769)

Even those tablets made of stone or clay, made thousands of years ago, have rounded corners ...

We tried making them with nice, sharp, right angle corners, but they kept breaking off.

Re:It's a rectangle. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790389)

Google warned them it's too similar but they also made an OS that is similar and didn't have any concerns there... sounds to me like it's just a couple in house emails not some grand scheme to rip off Apple... Samsung's offering what the market wants and Apply is pretending to do the same; just pay attention to who is selling, one of them is gaining a lot more steam.

Re:It's a rectangle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790519)

Bullshit. Yes, bullshit. It's not the concept, but the untold man-hours and completely unglamorous research that went in to bringing the devices to market that matter here. Sure you can spout lists of disparate features that were available in other products, but the real innovation is taking the right ones and putting them together in a usable product. Apple came up with the formula, made it success, and everyone copied them. (A story as old as Apple itself)

You talk as if some jerkoff at apple thought "Oh, hey, black rounded rectangle thing device" and bam, ipad appeared. Frankly, it's insulting to the thousands of developers that worked hard to bring those devices to market.

It's like saying the horseless carriage was already around and obvious, and that Ford really didn't do anything special when they brought the model-T, the first mass market car, to market.. While ignoring that whole new sciences of mass production and supply chain management were created in the process. Things that every car makesr to this day rely on to bring cars to a mass market.

Re:It's a rectangle. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790757)

Do you realize the model-T WASN'T anything special? What made it stand out was the manufacturing process behind it - not the actual end product. There were dozens of *vastly* superior cars available, other than the model-T. Its the manufacturing process which allowed Ford to offer a low price, making it an every man's car. The fact is had round wheels didn't make it special - and yet's that's Apple's line in the sand.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

Antarius (542615) | about 2 years ago | (#40790965)

But I bet you're one of the people who say the CSIRO is a patent troll for putting their radar-tweaking technology ideas into a way to solve problems with wifi signals.

Re:It's a rectangle. (2)

hazydave (96747) | about 2 years ago | (#40791033)

While it's correct that hundreds if not thousands of people worked to bring the first iPad to market, it's absolutely untrue that hundreds or even dozens worked on the physical design. That's all they're talking about here. Apple's designers, and Mr. Jobs himself, were inspired by what came before, both in what didn't work, what did work, what looked cool... and of course, the iPhone before it, which is a nearly identical design on a smaller scale.

Samsung did no less work in delivering their tablet. Ok, sure, maybe they spent a little less time thinking about the form factor, but it's not as if the iPad was such a major advance for Apple, technologically, since it's basically just a big iPod Touch. Business and success wise, sure, big win there, but that has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. In fact, easier for Apple, since the controlled both SW and HW. Samsung controls far more of the hardware, but they launched tablets before Google was ready for them.

And in fact, the easy proof for this is going over the various fan sites and artists concepts. The general form factor of the iPhone was long, long rumored before it shipped... artists were posting concepts for over a year, based around the rumor that Apple was developing either a phone or an "all screen" iPod. You only had to look at the Palm TX for inspiration -- keep the screen (identical to the iPhone's), eliminate most of the buttons (which was always a Jobs thing, just like the Mac mouse and touchpads, even today), basically make the shape a bit less distinctive (the TX echoed the old Palm V's slight flange at the bottom, intended to assist your grip on the thing), and there's your iPhone. They even kept the same basic "row of icons" UI, though of course, unlike the Palm, the original iPhone didn't allow any control over where each icon went.

Same circle of rumors surrounding the iPad. Only, much less "originality" in the artists guesses... everyone pretty much figured it was going to be a big fat iPod.

Re:It's a rectangle. (5, Informative)

SilenceBE (1439827) | about 2 years ago | (#40790563)

The problem is that people aren't aware that the discussions isn't about rectangles or even round corners. It is just a cheap trick to make ridicule about a "contender" or something/somebody that we hate, just to give the impression that they are the weaker party.

The problem is that those lawsuits aren't about rectangles or corners and that it is a bit more detailed then that and also much broader.

Really in all honestly I can't really look at the total package of Samsung tablet offering without having the feeling that they clearly looked for inspiration to some of Apple offerings. You can debate all day long about how stupid is that companies can "patent" designs, but you really must be blind what the source of inspiration was for some things. Look at Samsung Kies for example.

If you take some steps backs and forget about the rectangle stuff and see it in more detail and especially as whole package, the fact that Google warned Samsung that it was to similar may be not that stupid after all.

Then again this is slashdot an this may be the same like "cursing in a church" but hey... .

Re:It's a rectangle. (3, Informative)

russotto (537200) | about 2 years ago | (#40790655)

The problem is that those lawsuits aren't about rectangles or corners and that it is a bit more detailed then that and also much broader.

Look at the design patent Apple is suing over. It is exactly about rectangles and corners. There's not much else to it. Electronic device, flat, rounded corners, glass front, rectangular screen area.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

hazydave (96747) | about 2 years ago | (#40791093)

It also doesn't really look all that much like the iPad they did ultimately produce. That alone should have invalidated the claims, if not the patent itself.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#40790967)

Really in all honestly I can't really look at the total package of Samsung tablet offering without having the feeling that they clearly looked for inspiration to some of Apple offerings.

So? You can look at the Apple designs and see others that they clearly looked to for inspiration. For example, the TC1100 cited in the infamous rounded corners parent and the AT&T broadband phone for the now familiar touchscreen and grid of icons on a phone look.

You can debate all day long about how stupid is that companies can "patent" designs, but you really must be blind what the source of inspiration was for some things.

Why do you think I'm blind to it? I can See where Samsung's sedigns were inspired from, and I can see where Apple's designes were inspired from. If inspiration were enough to block, then the iPad would be blocked from sale as well.

Yes the Samsung stuff is pretty similar to Apple's in appearance, but then Apple's was pretty similar to others in appearance. And the overall appearance of a tablet is basically obvious.

If you take some steps backs and forget about the rectangle stuff and see it in more detail and especially as whole package,

Such as? What is it about the iPad that is so unique compared to what came before that the sale of Samsung's one should be blocked or that there was anything to warn about?

Is the whole package really that similar? iOS is not all that similar ot Android, except in the obvious things (i.e. ones that were not new, such as touch interface, icon grids, ful screen programs only etc).

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about 2 years ago | (#40790585)

Doesn't work that way. It's who patents their method first that gets the legal claim.

For example, there are infinite ways to unlock a device. Why choose slide instead of twist, for example? Apple claims that it's because they copied and that's a valid point.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

hazydave (96747) | about 2 years ago | (#40791117)

This is a design patent, not a useful system or business method patent.

Re:It's a rectangle. (1)

hazydave (96747) | about 2 years ago | (#40791183)

Oh, back to the slider. The first to file gets the patent. However, that just means that if there is a first to invent instead, who can prove the prior art, the first to file doesn' t get the patent, neither does the first to file. In the past, in the US, if you could prove first to invent, you might get the patent even if you filed previously.

There have been numerous examples posted showing slide to unlock on other devices. Though it is a stupid argument... it's trivial enough to change that UI.

Re:It's a rectangle. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40791011)

It's a rounded rectangle... that even Google said was too SIMILAR TO THE IPAD.

I'm genuinely shocked that the significance of this hasn't sunk in. Haterade Addiction must be very powerful.

So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (5, Insightful)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 2 years ago | (#40790117)

My Samsung 40" television looks exactly like a 40" Sony television. My LG washing machine and dryer looks suspiciously similar to a washing machine and dryer from Kenmore. And my Starbucks coffee tureen is the spitting image of the one I have from Seattle's Best! When you are talking about devices that perform similar tasks, they are going to look alike.

There's only so many ways to build a computer, and when you're trying to stuff as many electronics in a slender LCD screen as you can, it's probably going to look like a plastic slab.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (4, Informative)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#40790139)

that's because seatle's best is owned by starbucks. they are a wholesale brand of starbucks

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (2)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 2 years ago | (#40790307)

It also looks like ones I've seen from Peets, from Jittery Joes, and from McDonalds. My point is that there's only so many ways to make a coffee mug.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (1)

BSDimwit (583028) | about 2 years ago | (#40791009)

I think the patent has run out on the coffee tureen by now. However, I can see your point about similar products having a similar design, but Samsung took this to the extreme. Apple hasn't sued Motorola over the the Xoom's appearance because while similar in form factor, it didn't take practically every major design cue from Apple like the Galaxy did.... hell, even the packaging and power brick look the same. If you think that there should be no such thing as design patents, fine, argue that, but it's plain that Samsung copied Apple in this case.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (-1, Troll)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | about 2 years ago | (#40790691)

Funny then that nobody build an iPhone-like smart phone until 2007.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (5, Informative)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 2 years ago | (#40790915)

Apart from LG who announced this blatant iPhone ripoff [wikipedia.org] in December 2006, a month before the first iPhone was announced.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 2 years ago | (#40790987)

And this one [wikipedia.org] looks quite similar too.

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (2)

dAzED1 (33635) | about 2 years ago | (#40791061)

the palm pilot of 1996? Tech that wasn't driven or designed by apple improved, allowing for more features. Blackberry had a touchscreen square thingy before the iphone, too. Unless you're really just talking about the rounded edges, which...that's just design in general, and is a fad thing. Look at cars - they go from sharp lines, to rounded features, back to sharp lines, back to rounded features...oscillates every couple decades. Look at the corvette in particular - started round, then a few years later went to start lines, then back to round with the stingray, then back to straight lines with the 80's...

You're not really so much of an apple fanboi that the idea of rounded edges is something you really attribute to apple, are you?

Re:So they look alike. It's called "form factor." (1)

jxander (2605655) | about 2 years ago | (#40790995)

So, when can we expect the lawsuit to start flying between Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Kia, etc? take off all the badges and I'd have a tough time telling apart every generic 4-door sedan from the others.

How many clamshell phone designs are there? (2)

mveloso (325617) | about 2 years ago | (#40791083)

If you look at e clamshell phones, how many look like the razr? One.

How about the candy bar phones? They look similar, but different no manufacturer wants users to confuse their phones with someone elses.

Look at Samsung. They want their stuff to look like Apple's because it helps them sell. Period. In the documents they say as much.

People here freak out when a developer copies another developer's game...but when Samsung and google copy Apple people are like "oh, there's only one way to do it so we have to copy apple."

How fucking lame is that?

7.7 ? (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 2 years ago | (#40790153)

I thought the latest proceedings were regarding the tab 7.7 [informationweek.com] so would this be relevant in that case? Or are there still suits pending on the 10" tab? I guess I can't keep up any more.

Re:7.7 ? (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 2 years ago | (#40790217)

So the article can't quote anybody as saying Samsung was warned, or google employs somebody named Google?

The one similarity that bugs me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790203)

I have a first generation Motorola Droid, and I have used iPods and iPhones that other people own after I got my Motorola Droid. I _HATE_ the one button to rule them all approach of the iDevices. No back button? WTF!

So when I see these Samsung devices with the "One Button" I just laugh and move on. It looks tacky. I don't even care if it has the back button and the others. It brings out the disgust I have when trying to navigate an iDevice on a gut level that makes me not want those devices.

Rounded corners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790221)

They are the work of the Devil, I tell you.

Compaq should sue everyone (2)

WillAdams (45638) | about 2 years ago | (#40790287)

for copying the TC1000:

http://pencomputing.com/frames/tpc_compaq.html [pencomputing.com]

  - Silver and black
  - rounded corners
  - screen takes up almost entire front surface

Re:Compaq should sue everyone (2)

hazydave (96747) | about 2 years ago | (#40790865)

And a bunch of others (year indicates introduction, not shipments):

HP Slate 500, 2009: http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/Slate/index.asp [hp.com]
CrunchPad, 2008: http://www.esarcasm.com/8319/crunchpad-dead/ [esarcasm.com]
Axiotron Modbook 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiotron_Modbook [wikipedia.org]
Knight-Ridder tablet, 1994 : http://adverlab.blogspot.com/2010/09/ipad-like-newspaper-tablet-concept-from.html [blogspot.com]
Arthur C. Clarke's Newspad: 1968: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3949GAIokg&feature=player_embedded [youtube.com]

Google? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790325)

Who gives a fuck what Google said or didn't say? How does their opinion matter in a fight between Apple and Samsung?

The whole fucking thing is turning into a farcical mess. I've seen more adult fights in a school playground.

Thing is, although I admit I'm on Samsung's side in this bullshit, I'm not pissed at Apple OR Samsung.

It's the fucking PATENT OFFICE that handed out these patents in the first place that should be lined up against the wall and shot. How the fuck can you patent a rectangular touchscreen that's been (conceptually) in movies for decades? Or a mind-numbingly obvious thing like "swipe to unlock"?

Re:Google? (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#40790975)

It's called plausible deniability and affects punishment. If Apple wins that Samsung did copy their design then it matters whether it was accidental or not. If Samsung knew about/was warned long before Apple sued, the punishment would be harsher. Of course no one has won anything yet except Apple's contention that Samsung destroyed emails after they were told to preserve them. Apple will be allowed to mention evidence destruction at trial.

Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (3, Insightful)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40790345)

It's not just rounded corners.

As the summary and article state plainly, Samsung made what amounts to a copy of the iPad. If you have difficulty telling the products apart after covering up the brand logos, then they are too similar. It's that simple. From there, it's not a large leap for the original manufacturer to claim the subsequent manufacturer was riding on the firsts success. Hell, didn't that exactly happen in court a few months ago? Samsung's lawyer was asked to tell the court which tablet was which, and he couldn't.

And when that original manufacturer happens to be Apple... well... That's like pissing off someone high on bath salts and PCP, and then crying foul because they start beating the crap out of you and eating your face.

There are SO many ways that Samsung could have differentiated their products, but they chose to make it as similar to the iPad as they thought they could get away with. Other manufacturers havn't had any difficulty doing so. There are tablets in various colours, with textured non-slip backs, varying kinds of frontal designs. There were an almost limitless number of ways Samsung could have avoided this right from there start. But they chose not to. And now they're paying the price.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790513)

>Samsung's lawyer was asked to tell the court which tablet was which, and he couldn't.

How close do you need to be to tell an HP from a Dell?

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40790623)

Not close at all. Both HP and Dell have such a large variety of different designs across their lineup, that you'd be hard pressed to look at two products from the *same* manufacturer and be able to tell that they are.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (1)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | about 2 years ago | (#40790605)

I agree with what you are saying. To begin with I HATE APPLE and their blind fans who believe Steve Jobs was nothing short of Christ or something. But there are some similarities (more than what you would expect) between Samsung and Apple phones. I mean no one is complaining about Lumia being similar to the Iphone! I know there are only so many designs you can come up with, but Samsung it seems wanted to make their products look similar to Apple to maybe become the second choice for people who wanted a similar looking product but not from Apple maybe? I dont know, this is just speculation but there is some truth to the statement that Samsung phone closely resemble the Iphone. But ofcourse this is Slashdot and I am going to be modded down heavily and flamed for saying this!

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (3, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | about 2 years ago | (#40790617)

As the summary and article state plainly, Samsung made what amounts to a copy of the iPad.

The article and summary also point out that Apple's internal emails apparently show that they copied Sony's designs. If that is true, it will be interesting to see how Sony respond.

Also interesting to note that Samsung have produced their own before and after [allthingsd.com] graphic for the court, which disproves the Apple fan claims that "all Samsung phones look like the iPhone".

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (5, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | about 2 years ago | (#40791089)

Apple's internal emails apparently show that they copied Sony's designs.

Found the details. Apple’s iPhone Has Sony Style, Says Samsung (Full Trial Brief). [allthingsd.com] The emails show an iPhone designer being instructed to create a "Sony-like" design, the initial CAD drawings he created even had the Sony logo on. The emails then show the existing iPhone design being abandoned for the new "Sony" design, and the Apple designer has given sworn testimony that his "Sony-style" design changed the course of the project and led to the final iPhone design.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (3, Informative)

chrb (1083577) | about 2 years ago | (#40790639)

Samsung made what amounts to a copy of the iPad.

The British courts disagree: Apple must run "Samsung did not copy iPad" ads. [yahoo.com]

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (0)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40790871)

Bear in mind though... the judge said Samsung is "not cool enough" to be like an iPad. A fantastic example of a backhanded compliment if I ever heard one. I'm convinced that the judge was just sick of the whole damn thing. IMO neither Samsung nor Apple won that case.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (1)

F.Ultra (1673484) | about 2 years ago | (#40790665)

>Samsung's lawyer was asked to tell the court which tablet was which, and he couldn't.
Well he was a lawyer, he probably couldn't pick between a tabled and a microwave oven either.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (4, Funny)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40790851)

LOL! Reminds of when everyone jumped on the "translucent plastic" bandwagon. I recall seeing microwaves, and even irons, in blueberry iMac colours. I was amused.

The best though, was when I was flipping through a department store catalogue (in the late 90s) and came across a wooden breadcutting board that was advertised as "Y2K compliant." To this day I regret not having cut out that item and saved it somewhere.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (1)

cryptolemur (1247988) | about 2 years ago | (#40790785)

I think this is the only industry where making "copies" has any relevance -- cars, microwave owens, sneakers, blazers, airplanes all look alike if you cover the trademarks -- and I'd venture a guess it's because one actor has business model that depends completely on the "coolness factor". And it's not Samsung.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (2)

whoever57 (658626) | about 2 years ago | (#40790801)

If you have difficulty telling the products apart after covering up the brand logos, then they are too similar. It's that simple.

No, it isn't that simple. Only if the key design elements are orignal does it get protection.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (5, Insightful)

tom17 (659054) | about 2 years ago | (#40790899)

Someone familiar with the two products could tell easily. Sure, someone unfamiliar could not.

With the logos obscured, I doubt someone unfamiliar with the latest Corollas & Civics could tell the difference either...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CVC2012aaa.jpg [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2011_Toyota_Corolla_--_NHTSA.jpg [wikipedia.org]

Shocking new: Similar product looks similar!

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | about 2 years ago | (#40790945)

As the summary and article state plainly, Samsung made what amounts to a copy of the iPad. If you have difficulty telling the products apart after covering up the brand logos, then they are too similar. It's that simple.

Simple and wrong. LCD displays, keyboards, laptops, cardboard boxes, polo shirts, blue jeans, soda cans, bicycles, heck, even many cars look similar once you cover up the logos.

Re:Why are people obsessing with rounded corners? (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#40791133)

If you have difficulty telling the products apart after covering up the brand logos, then they are too similar. It's that simple.

Try doing that with beige box PCs from the 90s. Hell, I can barely tell my GF's toyota corolla from the neighbors honda civic.

They do have a point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790381)

To an extent. They are making a device similar to a device that Apple released.
Keyword being Apple here.
They sued people for using a logo of an APPLE WITH A BITE out of it when it wasn't even remotely similar.

Apple are scum. Google was just looking out for another company. (RIP that Google, the new Google saddens me)

I guess I am glad that they ignored it since all this happened and Apple are being told hard in court for trying to patent nature and basic concepts, which as far as I know are supposed to be illegal with regards to even the US patent system. How the hell these got through are beyond me. Oh, wait, money, never mind.

Re:They do have a point (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#40790535)

Before that Apple Records (the company that Beatles founded) sues Apple for name and logo similarity and everyone thought it was ridiculous.

I think that tolerance of hypocrisy must be central to the modern organizational man's mindset.

Attention gun grabbers! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790515)

Attention leftist free software hippy gun grabbers!

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx

"Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

Just so you know of course.

Hey guys, guess what? (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about 2 years ago | (#40790579)

Wacom has been releasing "tablets" long before both the ipad and the galaxy existed, should it start suing too?

Competition (0)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | about 2 years ago | (#40790669)

How about Apple, Samsung, Google and the rest of them SHUT THE FUCK UP and just compete on features & abilities? I'm sick of this soap opera and even sicker of the technology stifling they're ALL trying to do while complaining that the rest of them are doing it.

All products are similar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790723)

All of the products are similer, this is kind of trend.

Samsung galaxy s3 [fiyatinisor.com] is the best now.

Welcome to Patent Law (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790743)

This is all happening because a patent law puts the onus of enforcement on the company or individual who owns the patent. Apple has patents on the way things look as well as the technology itself. So to protect those patents they have to file lawsuits. Samsung's stuff just happens to look too much like Apple's. So to protect those patents that were granted to them, they have to sue. They're not being evil or nasty, they're just protecting their rights under existing patent law. I agree that patent law in this country needs to be revamped, but until it is, this is what you get.

Re:Welcome to Patent Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40790777)

And before everyone starts yelling about this other smaller company did it and never got sued, think about it this way: would you rather that Apple sued a huge company like Samsung that can afford to lose the suit and pay for the lawyers, or a smaller company that would be destroyed by a suit like this if they lost?

Boycott Apple (-1, Redundant)

walterbyrd (182728) | about 2 years ago | (#40790783)

Seriously, this is BS. How does a 7" device look too similiar to a 10" device?

Furthermore, a judge has ordered Apple to apologize for Apple's BS claims of Samsung devices looking to similar.

Also, Apple lost it's case against HTC. If a Xoom does not look to similar, than how could a Nexus 7 look to similar.

These lawsuits from apple are nothing but scams. Apple is just trying to harass the competition.

Apple sucks, and should be boycotted.

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