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Is Phoenix the Next Silicon Valley?

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the silicon-valley-could-probably-hold-onto-a-hockey-team dept.

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SpicyBrownMustard writes "There's no secret to a rising level of 'Silicon Valley fatigue' lately, and the new reality show certainly isn't helping. And with hacker hostels packing in twenty somethings fueling the 'it's okay to fail' incubator culture that now is actually hurting startups, it's no wonder weariness with the culture is setting in. Forbes.com asks the question: Is Phoenix The Next Silicon Valley? The article covers a startup with a couple names you might know, who picked Phoenix due to its much lower cost of living and different quality of life. The startup's CTO, 'explains that having so much more financial freedom lowers the stress associated with working for a startup, as he can enjoy work/live balance.' Their location certainly didn't hurt fundraising, as they managed $2 million in seed capital. Are we indeed moving on from Silicon Valley for tech startups?"

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LOL (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833891)

Phoenix ?!? Has anyone ever been there?
This is pure long-shot PR from someone with real estate interests..

Re:LOL (5, Funny)

BorisSkratchunkov (642046) | about 2 years ago | (#40834039)

Maybe it'll be re-born!

Re:LOL (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834057)

Yes, but they didn't return after being seared to a golden brown.

Kansas City should be the next Silicon Valley.
Google Fiber could support it.

Re:LOL (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about 2 years ago | (#40834113)

A year or two ago they were saying Chicago, referencing GroupOn and others. Lately I've heard Austin, Texas a couple times.

This is the first time I've heard Phoenix, though I admit I don't pay close attention to the whole, "where's the next silicon valley" thing.

Re:LOL (1)

MarioMax (907837) | about 2 years ago | (#40834365)

Phoenix ?!? Has anyone ever been there?
This is pure long-shot PR from someone with real estate interests..

Born and raised, thank you very much.

Re:LOL (0)

drpimp (900837) | about 2 years ago | (#40834477)

Sure we aren't talking about Alabama here. ASU has some of the hottest college chicks in the US. If you got out of the basement now and then you might have known that. Albeit that has nothing to do with this topic so why Phoenix you ask ... because it's easier to melt silicon there? DUH! /ducks

Think of the advantages... (4, Insightful)

Genda (560240) | about 2 years ago | (#40833897)

You can dispense with wafer ovens altogether... just put your silicon outside in the parking lot...

No (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833901)

Phoenix is in Arizona. Home of Joe Arpaio and other batshit crazy teatards. The state is an embarrassment really.

Re:No (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834063)

No you are an embarrassment.

California is a disaster due to unchecked growth of state government thanks to leftists constant mantra of tax and spend tax and spend tax and spend.

And you the clueless hippie sit in your moms basement and continue to vote for them, don't you?

Re:No (2)

zieroh (307208) | about 2 years ago | (#40834173)

Sounds like he hit a nerve.

Re:No (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834273)

Why do you lot constantly respond with substance free idiocy like this?

"Sounds like he hit a nerve."

What is your point? I mean I wouldn't even bother to respond to this, it just baffles me why you put the time into that response that you did. Gee, perhaps I hit a nerve? Well boo fucking hoo.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834463)

QQ fgt.

Arizona has more severe budget problems (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834187)

Arizona is bankrupt.

Furthermore, many programmers have dark skin. Also, Arizona is going to not have any fresh water in twenty years.

Re:Arizona has more severe budget problems (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834281)

Arizona is bankrupt.

Furthermore, many programmers have dark skin. Also, Arizona is going to not have any fresh water in twenty years.

The "dark skins" should be used to lack of potable water supply and consequently will thrive.

Re:Arizona has more severe budget problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834399)

"Arizona is bankrupt."

So? Pretty much all 57 (or is it 59?) states are bankrupt - or at least on the way. California has it the worst. NY, IL, anywhere we find... wait for it.... the federal government and Democrats.

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834215)

No, Arizona really is an embarrassment...
and no, I'm not the same anonymous coward as the poster above you.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834121)

Actually, all of the "batshit crazy teatards" basically comes FROM Phoenix. The rest of the state is relatively sane, but sadly, as Phoenix is large enough to enforce its will on the rest of the state...we all end up looking stupid.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834355)

It's not uncommon. Consider that Illinois is a "gimme" blue state... http://www.flickr.com/photos/28549588@N05/6589935329/ [flickr.com]

Only the retarded use sexual slang (1, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#40834263)

Home of Joe Arpaio and other batshit crazy teatards.

How can I tell you are a moron?

This.

Your simple inability to use the simple phrase "Tea Party" marks you as an immature jerk. Why would anyone seek to project that image of themselves?

On a side note, what do you have against reducing the size of government and federal spending? By reducing both you also reduce corruption that inevitable results from too much money being centralized far away from the people who the money comes from.

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834357)

Austin is in Texas. If they're lucky they'll be Arizona's Austin. In Utah it's Park City and Moab, right? I forget. These big western states full of right-wing gun totin' whackos. It's too far to LA/SF/NY so they usually have an island of hip culture somewhere.

No. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833905)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_Law_of_Headlines

Re:No. (2)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | about 2 years ago | (#40834335)

Someone please mod this guy up, he has been consistently saving me time replying to pointless waste of time threads recently

For too long now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833907)

...Silicon Valley is a place and an idea.

The "idea" can and does spread wherever there are people who are willing and economic conditions that will support it.

Fuck that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833917)

No amount of money is worth dealing with that heat.

Arizona? No Thanks (3, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#40833921)

Is Phoenix The Next Silicon Valley?

Dear God, I hope not. In the current political climate, as an immigrant, I am avoiding Arizona entirely unless it's absolutely required.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833983)

So you have no problem with the laws of the US but a problem with the state of Arizona actually enforcing these laws? Fan-friggin-tastic.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834153)

Careful there pardner, you are using reason and logic, the hippies around here don't like that.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#40834167)

In a sense, yes. I have a problem with their state people taking the laws into their own hands. There's a reason ICE exists. And frankly, I don't want to be looked at with suspicion for daring to spend the $2500+ I've spent so far (with more to come!) in order to become a lawful permanent resident.

Also, Joe Arpaio can go fuck himself.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834207)

They didn't "take the law into their own hands." They passed a law that mirrored existing law. Your take on this matter is skewed.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834209)

No, you can go fuck yourself.

We in this country are allowed to defend ourselves and that includes securing the borders.

You just try and sneak into Mexico chump, report back when you can.

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/04/04/mexico%E2%80%99s-immigration-laws-the-untold-story/

"the Mexican Police Force, may carry out the following:” (Chapter 10, Article 151)

        * Perform verification visits
        * Cause a foreigner to appear before immigration authorities
        * Receive and present complaints and testimony
        * Perform migration inspection operations on routes or at temporary points different from established inspection locations
        * Obtain such other elements of proof as may be necessary for the application of the Act, its regulation, and additional administrative provisions"

So as I said, go fuck yourself.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834323)

So you are using Mexico as a shining example of what the United States should become?

People are running across the border for a reason, dude.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#40834329)

Quoting the Heritage Foundation is akin to a Godwin.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#40834339)

I love how everyone with these extreme viewpoints posts as an AC. In any case, like I said, there's a reason ICE exists. Apparently, you people don't think their laws go far enough. I disagree, vehemently.

Additionally, your point about the Mexican police force really has nothing to do with anything since they would appear to be a federal entity, like ICE. If you were to talk about the police of a specific Mexican province or city, maybe then you'd have a point, limited as it may be (I'm not sure I would want to base my national immigration policy on Mexico, after all).

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834447)

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (3, Insightful)

localman57 (1340533) | about 2 years ago | (#40834203)

So you have no problem with the laws of the US but a problem with the state of Arizona actually enforcing these laws? Fan-friggin-tastic.

You're missing the point. The fact that Arizona has a cultural image problem with a big hunk of the population is likely to make it more difficult to recruit talent, which is essential to the success or failure of any company, and start-ups in particular. It's hard enough already to lure the top people to your company. Why make it harder? Easier to just locate someplace else. If they like the bed they've made, good for them. The Supreme Court validated the single biggest part of their legislation. But that doesn't mean I, or a lot of the people I hire, suddenly feel like it's a good idea to go live there.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (4, Interesting)

zieroh (307208) | about 2 years ago | (#40834211)

Speaking only for myself, I have a problem with Arizona enacting (and enforcing) laws that are plainly discriminatory and largely driven by old white men angrily brandishing guns. Arizona is, from my perspective, out of step with the vast majority of These United States.

But that's just me.

Papieren, Bitte (0)

bigtrike (904535) | about 2 years ago | (#40834219)

If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from the police state of Arizona.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 years ago | (#40834283)

So you have no problem with the laws of the US but a problem with the state of Arizona actually enforcing these laws? Fan-friggin-tastic.

I simply can't imagine why somebody might prefer a state where being flagged down and asked to produce your papers is still an unlikely event, even if you look like you might be of the foreign persuasion...

Shockingly enough, it is entirely possible to agree with a law and disagree with a given method of enforcing it. Except in rare cases, when the law actually explicitly prescribes its own enforcement methods, the two are actually very different things.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (2)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 years ago | (#40834141)

The portrait that the national media likes to paint of Arizona is fairly inaccurate - especially when it comes to the people working in technology.

It's an outdated, overplayed stereotype.  Idiot local politicians on the right like to rattle their sabers to garner press.  Truth be told, the state is about as balanced with its share of both "normal" people and nutjobs on both sides of the aisle.

My IT architecture team is a snapshot of diversity.

The IT arm of my (large) company is fairly representative of IT shops in general -- and the only segregation is among the H1-B types who live/eat/work together, since their teams are often contract-based.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#40834233)

The portrait that the national media likes to paint of Arizona is fairly inaccurate

Two words: Joe Arpaio.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (3, Insightful)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 years ago | (#40834359)

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Despite Joe's antics, he'll get elected again because his politics aren't what most of the voting populous of AZ cares about.

Things like Tent City suck, and we like when our criminals get sent there.  We like that he deputizes people to track down deadbeat dads or keep gangbangers out of mall parking lots.  We like that he's a mean son of a bitch.  We want our stupid kids locked up and put in a chain-gang for the week when they get a drunk driving charge.

We overlook the fact that he panders to the media on the right with birther nonsense, because he's not a position in our government where it matters.  [Hint, the MCSO doesn't determine presidential eligibility.]

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#40834271)

In no way am I suggesting that everyone in Arizona is like that; I happen to know a couple people who live there and they're great. Unfortunately, your politicians have set policies that I don't find attractive in the least, and the fact that they have done so, repeatedly, suggests that the tone there would not be welcoming.

If you want to change your image, change your politicians. The problem seems to be that many Arizona natives like them.

Re:Arizona? No Thanks (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#40834157)

And the computer industry employs a lot of immigrants. If I were starting a new company, I'd think twice about locating in a state where a funny accent is likely to draw hassles.

Responding to the AC who replied previously: this is not about enforcing the laws. This is about dimwitted politicos pandering to bigotry.

Not all tech companies start in California (2)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 2 years ago | (#40833937)

I mean, I can think of a little company from Albuquerque that ended up doing pretty well for itself.

Re:Not all tech companies start in California (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834067)

I work for a tech startup in pittsburgh. Most VC's wont even listen to us because they'd have to get on a plain and leave southern California to visit our office.

Re:Not all tech companies start in California (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834225)

Same here. We're in the Midwest and that's all they have to hear. Seems only people in California can have a good startup.

So the answer is no Phoenix is not the next silicon valley

Re:Not all tech companies start in California (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834345)

On the other hand, they might refuse to listen to you because you can't spell the word 'plane.'

"Dear Sur or Maddum: We wood lyke to pitch yew on hour stardup vencher. Pleas get on the furst plain too Pittsburg n bring fat stax of kash, wee will meat yew at the airport with a lim- lim- limmo- privit kar."

I mean, with an elevator pitch like that, I can't imagine how you're not already in your third round of funding, raising $75 million. Clearly it's Southern California VC elitism, looking down their nose at you hardworking Pittsburgh-ians. Not the fact that you apparently can't spell very simple words, yet seem to feel you're entitled to VC funding for your "billion dollar idea."

weather (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833939)

The problem is that the weather in #Phoenix sucks really badly. It's too hot for most people. Sure you can stay in a/ced offices a lot but most people do want to enjoy the outdoors sometimes and summers there are just brutal.

It isn't the only thing that matters but it IS a thing that matters to many people.

I don't see it ever competing with #SiliconValley for that reason.

Re:weather (2)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 years ago | (#40834179)

Summers in Phoenix do suck, but frankly the mostly-dry summers of Phoenix are infinitely more tolerable than summers in the South or in the mid-West.

Re:weather (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834413)

I guess if you're a fat neckbeard, yeah, the weather in Phoenix is hard to cope with.

On the other hand, if you're fit and enjoy outdoor activity, then your only real needs for summer in phoenix are sunscreen & water, plus sensible scheduling of strenuous outdoor activities for off-peak hours.

Re:weather (2)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#40834475)

I've never understood "x is too hot" arguments. Personally, I like warm weather and despise the cold. I can't stand the feeling of freezing my nose hairs off in winter. I'm sitting in the middle of a Houston summer right now and it barely bothers me - I get to go to the pool after work every day and it feels great (and no, I'm not a Houston native).

I see this all the time though. "Nobody wants to work there, it's too hot!" Never "Nobody wants to work there, it's too cold!" Am I so much in the minority that it's never even considered that people might want a warm climate?

No, it isn't. (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#40833941)

For over a decade people keep saying "X" will be the next Silicon Valley. And they then go on and forget they made such ridiculous predictions and nobody every calls them on it.

FYI The next Silicon Valley continues to be Silicon Valley, as it reinvents itself (and replacing itself with something even more inexplicable the next time.)

So now you know. And you can quote me on it.

Re:No, it isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834031)

If only the Valley could cut its property prices by like 80%, then they might survive the next decade and still be on top :P. I'm sorry, but the cost of living there is just outrageous compared to more-reasonable places that are also full of hackers and startups.

Re:No, it isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834053)

After living in Austin for the last year I've concluded that that property price is worth paying in the valley! Absolutely no question about it.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

Necroman (61604) | about 2 years ago | (#40834389)

Why, what's wrong with Austin? It's a pretty decent city, though it has some more suburban sprawl than compared to california (since they have the land to do it in Austin).

Also, if you moved to Austin before last years heat wave, I do feel sorry for you. Last year was the worst summer I've seen down here in the 10 years I've been here.

Re:No, it isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834457)

It's not that Austin is bad, it's just that the bay area is worth the premium. The weather in Austin is pretty poor, the landscape is dull, the city is a messy sprawl and the town centre feels like it's had no investment outside of the odd tall building for 30 years.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

geoffrobinson (109879) | about 2 years ago | (#40834161)

Especially in the days of broadband connections. Lots of startups don't need to have everyone together. Many do.

But Silicon Valley has everything to do with having a critical mass of talent. That's pretty much it. Besides the weather, I don't think anyone would start it there if it wasn't there already.

Re:No, it isn't. (4, Informative)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 2 years ago | (#40834243)

If only the Valley could cut its property prices by like 80%, then they might survive the next decade and still be on top :P. I'm sorry, but the cost of living there is just outrageous compared to more-reasonable places that are also full of hackers and startups.

Name one.

There's a reason why it's cheaper to live in Hicksville. It sucks out there. There's nothing to do.

There's a reason why it's expensive in the valley. It's awesome. It's where you can walk out of a tech job and still have thousands of other companies in the same field in the same metropolitan area that you can apply to. It's where you can go for lunch and overhear intelligent conversations everywhere. It has a buzz thanks to being full of people bouncing ideas off of each other and venture capital not too far away if investors see an opportunity that might go somewhere. It's where it's at. It has a pleasant climate. It has great outdoor pursuits close by. There's stuff to do. People want to live here.

"The valley" is not a sentient being with the power to "cut its property prices by like 80%", it's a highly south-after location and the wages in the place make it possible to live here.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about 2 years ago | (#40834325)

I'm sure the residents of Hicksville, NY will say otherwise. Cost of living isn't cheap and there is plenty to do nearby. If not, NYC is a short train ride away.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about 2 years ago | (#40834327)

Sounds like New York, except with the downside of it being in California.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834409)

Except New York is a crowded smelly shithole unlike most of the glorious sunny California.

Stay delusional, madfriend!

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834469)

It could be worse, it could be in New York.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 2 years ago | (#40834361)

And if you think SV is expensive try central London even in a grotty central area like old street prices in London (UK) are way higher.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#40834485)

Yep, spent ten years there, made a lot of money, had some great experiences.

And then, when I was ready to, like, buy a house, and live in a place where I'd actually want my kids to grow up, I moved to another state.

Give yourself time, you may find yourself feeling the same way.

Re:No, it isn't. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 years ago | (#40834307)

The solution is sleeping tubes. Or arcologies. Possibly arcologies full of sleeping tubes.

Why is the cost of living lower? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833949)

Nobody in their right mind wants to live in Phoenix. Too hot and far from anything naturally green.

Solar power in Phoenix is great though.

Re:Why is the cost of living lower? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834165)

Flagstaff is green...

The White Mountains are beautiful and... green.

Haters gonna hate! I love living in Phoenix. I've been here going on thirteen years, and I'll never move back east. Ever.

Re:Why is the cost of living lower? (1)

metrometro (1092237) | about 2 years ago | (#40834213)

Well, that and it's not bounded on three sides by water.

Fuck no... (2)

Ryanrule (1657199) | about 2 years ago | (#40833951)

I won't go.

Kansas City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833967)

Realistically, Kansas City is probably the next Silicon Valley due to the Gigabyte Internet.

Re:Kansas City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834047)

Chattanooga has had Gigabit fiber internet for a while now and has seen no substantial tech growth. Kansas City isn't the best town (like the whole state of AZ) to be caught in as a non-christian caucasian.

Re:Kansas City (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40834159)

Kansas City isn't the best town (like the whole state of AZ) to be caught in as a non-christian caucasian.

As a lifetime 'non-christian caucasian' and Missouri resident, living not far from KC, I say, without doubt, that you are full of shit.

Take your coastal elitism and shove it up your hindside.

Re:Kansas City (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40834319)

Take your coastal elitism and shove it up your hindside.

but... but... but... coastal elitism is the only advantage the coasts have !

Re:Kansas City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834333)

should have been "non-christian non-caucasian"

Re:Kansas City (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834443)

Yeah, I heard they eat Jews in Kansas City.

They're pretty famous for it, actually - Kansas City Jew Ribeye is a specialty at a lot of steakhouses.

(Or, if you prefer bluntness: stop your bitching. KC is a big city much like any other big city in America. It's clear you've never visited, because you seem to think that rural, backwoods attitudes are prevalent there - they're not.)

Perfect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833987)

Nothing to do but work!

Mr. Bond (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833991)

It is if we get that big earthquake we've been expecting.

Confused... (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40833993)

I thought the ubiquity of high-speed internet access almost everywhere eliminated the need for centering technological progress around a particular geography...

Also, heat is bad for electronics, so why in the name of everything holy would tech startups want to base themselves in an area that regularly experiences triple-digit temperatures?

Re:Confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834195)

Solar power, lots of solar power. A data center in alaska could do away with AC, but servers still need power. A data center in arizona, sure it would need ac, but its dry (low risk of condensing issues which are a pain for AC systems), and there's lot of sun. Green data centers are all the rage.

Re:Confused... (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#40834257)

I thought the ubiquity of high-speed internet access almost everywhere eliminated the need for centering technological progress around a particular geography...

With a company there will be a physical location. You want that physical location to be where the talent is.

Also, heat is bad for electronics, so why in the name of everything holy would tech startups want to base themselves in an area that regularly experiences triple-digit temperatures?

You loose less days of productivity due to weather in high temperature areas vs snow areas.

I've lived in a place that gets to -50 F in the winter and climbs to 110 F in the summer. Trust me, a day that is 110 is a lot better than a day that is -50.

Re:Confused... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#40834435)

I thought the ubiquity of high-speed internet access almost everywhere eliminated the need for centering technological progress around a particular geography...

With a company there will be a physical location. You want that physical location to be where the talent is.

So, in a country with a 360 million+ population, you're telling me there are zero talented people outside northern California? Somehow I find that difficult to fathom... probably because it's complete bullshit.

Also, heat is bad for electronics, so why in the name of everything holy would tech startups want to base themselves in an area that regularly experiences triple-digit temperatures?

You loose less days of productivity due to weather in high temperature areas vs snow areas.

Protip: Want to be taken seriously? Make sure you spell and grammar check. FYI, It's spelled l-o-s-e, not l-o-o-s-e. / grammar Nazi rant

I've lived in a place that gets to -50 F in the winter and climbs to 110 F in the summer. Trust me, a day that is 110 is a lot better than a day that is -50.

Careful, I think I hear the Hyperbole Police coming, to drag you off to Exaggeration-traz...

Seriously, though, you do realize there exist many, many temperate regions that stay between the temperature extremes you've mentioned, right? I.e., the vast majority of America.

Re:Confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834313)

We have a neat thing here called Air Conditioning.

Re:Confused... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834421)

Lower employee salaries
Lower real estate costs
Much lower employment taxes than CA
complete lack of natural disasters (no earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes etc)

Several large companies have one or more datacenter in the phoenix area including ebay, godaddy, Intel, American express, sprint, and more...there are also several Colo providers.

Rich Old people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834439)

All those retired rich and not so rich old people. Hit'em jup for money.

"Hey grandma! Wanna invest in something that'll make your grandkids rich!"

Maybe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40833999)

If you're white, otherwise you better carry a few forms of ID and learn to follow the officers instructions completely

By the time I get to Phoenix she'll be rising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40834099)

Til single homes are way out of my price range!

Why don't people just... (1)

BorisSkratchunkov (642046) | about 2 years ago | (#40834131)

... move to Utica, NY instead! A rust belt metropolis formerly specializing in the textile industry and the Erie Canal, Utica is perfect for your start up! There are no people to get in your way and nothing else for that matter, and hell- if the internet is geography independent, why not? Come to Utica today! It could be a bustling place... maybe... Utica: "Like being dead, but without the fun." --http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=utica

Oh please (2)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 2 years ago | (#40834137)

Betteridge's Law of Headlines applies.

Depends... (1)

thoughtlover (83833) | about 2 years ago | (#40834143)

It depends on how willing the state and local governments are to creating a culture of startups, especially technically-minded ones. When Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico, he signed an initiative to entice film producers to move there with lucrative tax rebates that rivaled other states. Since Martinez has taken office, she's done much to dismantle what Richardson and Johnson built. I'm on a listserv with many New Mexico producers and directors that have watched and acted against her backward actions with moderate success. In reality, if any industry wants to be recognized, they must inform the policymakers that their business is a positive economic force ford the local and state government.

Pittsburgh (1)

drewstah (110889) | about 2 years ago | (#40834147)

Pittsburgh would be the next Silicon Valley, if there were any people with money here. I can't get to work without tripping over computer scientists from CMU. Many of the people here are certainly smart and creative enough, but there's no way to get any funding - unless they leave Pittsburgh, and go to the west coast. More than half of the companies I've worked for in Pittsburgh have either closed down, or moved to the west coast - where the money is.

"Different quality of life" (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about 2 years ago | (#40834201)

Yup. It's different alright. It was a concrete jungle almost indistinguishable from LA.

Re:"Different quality of life" (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#40834311)

Only hotter and with bigger power and water supply issues.

Funny you should ask... (4, Interesting)

tool462 (677306) | about 2 years ago | (#40834235)

I'm an electrical engineer in Phoenix who is actively trying to leave. You pretty much have Intel, Honeywell, and Freescale (ha!) on a large scale, a bunch of other companies with satellite offices locally, and some smaller startup types. From the inside, it certainly doesn't feel special relative to any other large city, and there still is nowhere near the density of tech companies that Silicon Valley has. Could it get there? I suppose. But so could Austin, or Seattle, or Irvine, and so on.

There are many Silcon valley clones (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#40834337)

Austin Texas is a hot one and so is Bismark, ND. Indianapolis is a major call center hub too for english speaking call centers.

It does not make economical sense to move to such an outrageously expensive place like northern California where you need to make $90,000 a year for a studio apartment when you are a struggling .com with limited funds who can not afford even the insurance premiums let alone employee costs.

In the old days it made sense to specialize in one area as your suppliers, inventory, and material were all nearbye which is why Michigan is home to the auto industry and nearbye Ohio made the parts and tires. Steel was one state away in Pennsylvania etc.

But with IT you do not have that issue so why bother paying $120,000 a month for a tiny floor with just 3 offices and 1200 square feet when you can tripple that in Austin or Bismark and pay your employees half or hire twice as much with the saved capital?

Or, try Colorado (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#40834347)

The weather is much more pleasant in Colorado.

The only thing is the cost of living is not quite as low as Arizona. But it sure beats California...

There's a ton of technical stuff going on all across the state, and only Colorado has places to suit ideology anywhere on the spectrum (far left, Boulder. far right, Colorado Springs. Independent? Anywhere).

Also they have laws to prevent idiots from hanging in the left lane forever preventing you from passing trucks. So unlike California, highways actually work here.

$2 million in capital raised (2)

tompaulco (629533) | about 2 years ago | (#40834401)

$2 million in capital raised. So what are they opening, a Burger King?

Is Phoenix the next Silicon Valley? (1)

RockGrumbler (1795608) | about 2 years ago | (#40834431)

Nope. It's actually Silicon Valley 2, NV. Sorry Phoenix.

I don't know why anyone would go to Phoenix (1)

mark_reh (2015546) | about 2 years ago | (#40834433)

if they didn't absolutely have to. I lived there for 4 years of dental school. It's too hot to move about 8 months of the year, all the plants have thorns, all the insects sting, all the reptiles are poisonous. There's no water. This is a message from the universe telling you that human beings don't belong there.

Of all the places to be in Az, I never understood why people would have settled in that god-forsaken valley. 100 miles away there are decent climates at higher altitudes.

Further proof of the stupidity of humans...

mixed news (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#40834441)

Moving away from Silicon Valley -- Great!

Moving to Phoenix -- No damned way.

Can't we pick some place with a lower cost of living than the SF bay area (which shouldn't be hard) *and* isn't hot enough to barbecue small animals?

I moved *from* Phoenix. I visited there recently. It's still too damned hot.

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