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KDE Announces 4.9 Releases

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the shinier-than-ever-before dept.

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jrepin writes "KDE announces 4.9 releases of Workspaces, Applications, and Development Platform. Version 4.9 provides many new features, along with improved stability and performance. Some of the highlights include, but are not limited to: more thorough integration of Activities throughout the Workspaces, ability to display metadata (ratings, tags, image and file sizes...) next to file names in Dolphin file manager, Mercurial versioning system support in Dolphin, detachable tabs in Konsole terminal emulator, support for MPRIS2 protocol in various places, ability to store and print PDF annotations from Okular document viewer, Okular can also play videos embedded in PDFs, Lokalize translation tool supports Qt's TS translation files, Kontact PIM suite gains ability to import data from Thunderbird and Evolution, Pairs is a new memory training game added to KDE Education package, and Marble desktop globe includes Open Source Routing Machine and support for bicycle and pedestrian routing. This release is dedicated to the memory of recently deceased KDE contributor Claire Lotion."

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What about Windows 8 (-1, Offtopic)

h910 (2698573) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844595)

Who cares about KDE when Windows 8 was just released??!

Seriously Slashdot, get your priorities shaped. I mean come on, Windows 8. Windows 8! Windows 8!!!

Re:What about Windows 8 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40844653)

In b4 some paranoid neckbeard calls you a shill.

Re:What about Windows 8 (2, Funny)

SiChemist (575005) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846623)

Pipe down Ballmer!

It's not Ballmer (1)

Wee (17189) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846769)

Slashdot is self-trolling itself in order to generate comment activity. Kinda sad, really. I mean, if they were really super clever about it more people would fall for it.

-B

Nice (4, Insightful)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844683)

Just make sure the tablet UI mode stays optional. We don't need another Gnome3/Unity.

Re:Nice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845217)

I've been shouting that at the Microsoft Win 8 development blogs, but I don't think they were paying attention.

I suppose I could've been more tactful, insisting that the VP who came up with the design is romantically attracted to bivalves might've been a bit excessive.

Re:Nice (5, Informative)

suy (1908306) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846755)

Just make sure the tablet UI mode stays optional. We don't need another Gnome3/Unity.

KDE/Plasma doesn't have a "tablet mode". For the main interface (sometimes I've seen it mentioned as "primary user interface"), with the 4.x series a new approach was attempted. Instead of having somewhat monolithic blocks rigidly coupled (kicker, kdesktop, etc.), a general framework for creating this kind of interfaces was created: what today we know as Plasma. Plasma has shared libraries and frameworks, but the desktop experience is a program named plasma-desktop. A similar UI is plasma-netbook, and of course there are versions for tablet and even phone incarnations. Many things are shared, which is the cool thing about KDE.

This approach was probably very ambitious at the beginning, and hence the initial bad impressions, but in my experience it was worth it, since now I can have a kick-ass desktop that is configurable way beyond I could imagine in the KDE 3.x days.

Re:Nice (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848307)

KDE/Plasma doesn't have a "tablet mode"

Semantically no, I guess, but Plasma Active is close enough to fool anyone.

http://plasma-active.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_Active#Plasma_Active

Re:Nice (1)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847933)

Unlike Gnome and Unity, the KDE desktop shell is flexible. You can make KDE look like Windows XP/7, OS X, Unity or even Gnome Shell, if someone implemented it. My KDE desktop looks like Unity.

No thanks (-1, Troll)

geek (5680) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844709)

It still looks like a Fisher-Price operating system. It's still bugg riddled and messy. I've never liked the look of QT apps but somehow KDE managed to make them look even worse.

I'll admit, I've never liked KDE, even back with KDE 1-3. But Plasma has been the most god awful desktop experience ever. With the possible exception of Gnome Shell. At least GTK3 looks decent on my screen though and I don't have to spend the better part of a month configuring shit to make it semi useful.

The DE should die. Bring back decent window managers and be done with the cruft.

Re:No thanks (1)

Barsteward (969998) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844785)

Sounds like a troll alert to me

Congrats! (3, Insightful)

danbuter (2019760) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844739)

I'm glad the KDE crew is still pushing stuff out the door. While I'm not a huge fan of KDE4, it is improving.

Re:Congrats! (4, Insightful)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847291)

"While I'm not a huge fan of KDE4, it is improving."

I am a huge fan of KDE4, and, it is still improving.

Go KDE!

Re:Congrats! (1)

dokebi (624663) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848195)

I was never a KDE fan, until Gnome3/Unity was forced down my throat. I stuck with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS as long as I could. KDE maked ubuntu (12.04 LTS) usable for me again.

Seems like too few (1)

nani popoki (594111) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844743)

Why don't they just round up and make it 5.0 releases?

Re:Seems like too few (5, Funny)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844793)

Because they are saving 5.0 for when they throw away all the code and start from scratch again.

*ducks*

Re:Seems like too few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40844989)

They'll probably have to if Nokia dumps Qt into the trashcan like they're posturing to do.

Re:Seems like too few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846527)

>> Because they are saving 5.0 for when they throw away all the code and start from scratch again. *ducks*

> They'll probably have to if Nokia dumps Qt into the trashcan like they're posturing to do.

Thought the very same; now I ask, in case some dev in the know would be as kind as to venture an opinion, is it doable to convert KDE to be any other toolkit? (if so, which one: gtk, fltk or what?)

Just in case, you know.

Re:Seems like too few (2)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846947)

is it doable to convert KDE to be any other toolkit?

Why? Qt is GPL, widely ported, and the best toolkit there is.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847597)

Oh, yes, of course, I stand corrected. I'm getting paranoid after that Java thing. Good guys at Trolltech made it GPL precisely to avoid such horror scenarios. DUH!

I find Qt better than gtk (and probably also fltk), too, but gtk-based DEs surely look more polished (though IMHO no DE equals KDE regarding usability).

Funny fact: today at lunch I went into a big furniture chain seller with terminals (for price consultation) running something with KDE (though probably version 3) and Mozilla on top -- made me smile from ear-to-ear, since I'm forced to endure Vi$ta at work. It seems these people go from mainframe-based terminal emulators to Linux machines, completely bypassing Windblows.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846923)

They'll probably have to if Nokia dumps Qt into the trashcan like they're posturing to do.

What the heck are we talking about? Qt has been GPL since 2000. Who the heck cares what Nokia does or does not do with it? It's free to maintain and develop.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845137)

What I don't understand is how one can release .9 of something.

Re:Seems like too few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848447)

This'll really bake your noodle: after .9 comes .10.

Re:Seems like too few (4, Interesting)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845159)

KDE 5.0 is being worked on, but it is not called KDE 5.0, it is called KDE frameworks. One of the main points of KDE frameworks is get rid of the distinctions betwen Qt and KDE applications, so many KDE features are being ported into Qt now that it is under open governance, and the rest will be made to work well at Qt components that anyone can add to their application.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845609)

This will be a welcome change.
There is still a maddening separation of some visual elements that have to be adjusted in QT rather than KDE, and some applications that seemingly never made it to the KDE bandwagon.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845699)

As long as they are only optional modules, sure. But tying cross-platform apps to KDE-specific features seems stupid.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846013)

As long as they are only optional modules, sure. But tying cross-platform apps to KDE-specific features seems stupid.

I have no problem with better integration of cross platform apps. When you work all day in KDE, and have some apps pop up with a look and feel that is so jarringly different and non-standard (kde standard) you feel like you stepped into a time warm to the past each time you launch them.

I wonder what percentage of Linux users even work cross platform? I suspect a large percentage of them only know an app is cross platform because it says so, not because they have an Apple computer sitting next to KDE.

Re:Seems like too few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846173)

People use Qt on far more platforms than KDE and Linux. Why should a Qt app running on Windows or OS X need to to have a forced dependency on some KDE feature? That's silly.

Re:Seems like too few (2)

bbecker23 (1917560) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846685)

The integration is going the other direction. KDE apps transitioning to Qt.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846649)

We have multiple Qt applications at our company that are compiled across all the platforms that we use. Apple, Microsoft, and Linux boxen. We have two camps in our company. One is of the Java school and the other is of the Qt school. I can tell you that the Qt applications feel quicker, but the Java applications tend to be more flexible and have better selection of libraries that can be used on every platform.

Writing an interface for our AS/400 system in Qt wasn't especially pain-free, but it was a whole hell of a lot better than the RPG from whence it came.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846787)

but the Java applications tend to be more flexible and have better selection of libraries that can be used on every platform.

Exactly what types of cross platform libraries in C or C++ are you lacking? I ask sincerely since I've heard this asserted all the time, but it is rarely true.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847215)

It's not a lack. It's libraries that can be used on every platform. As in, I can select one library and it have the same interface on every platform. Usually when going between Windows and anybody else, the API changes on you with a given library. However, that's really not a fault of Qt or C++, but more along the lines that Window's libraries wanting to do things their way.

I've not run into a problem where I needed to do something and a library simply not exist for a given platform. It's just having to do IFDEFs to work around platforms that I speak about. That doesn't really exist in the Java world, but then again, I believe it to be more of a function of the person who controls the platform as opposed to the platform itself.

Re:Seems like too few (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845919)

It is the 9th supplemental release of the 4.0 code base. Normally major number bumps, such as going to 5.0, indicate a break with backwards compatibility.

The next release in the 4.x series -- assuming there is one -- will be 4.10.

Re:Seems like too few (4, Informative)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846407)

Why don't they just round up and make it 5.0 releases?

The number isn't decimal. It is major-version.minor-version. We can have 4.10 and 4.11.

A change in the major-version number usually means that changes in the API have taken place and things marked deprecated are removed completely.

Another Win (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40844873)

Thanks KDE, your releases just keep getting better. The Metadata info will be great to have.

The haters, they just keep hating. When was the last time you used these apps?

Re:Another Win (0, Troll)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844971)

The last KDE environment that I liked(and still use on a couple of machines) was 3.5.10, I tried 4.2 awhile ago and hated a lot of it. I currently run Xfce and have no reason to switch as it works so well for me.

Re:Another Win (1)

prehistoricman5 (1539099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845557)

I remember 4.2; I wouldn't consider it as ready for prime time.

Re:Another Win (1)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846265)

That's what everyone said about 4.0 when it launched. People said 4.2 was far superior and far more stable than 4.0. I tried 4.2 and just could not get a usable desktop out of it. I switched to Gnome2 and have been using that for years happily. Now that Gnome has gone to hell, ive switched to Xfce and life is good again.

I want to like KDE again, I just cant get over the bells and whistles getting in my way and cluttering up my work spaces.

Re:Another Win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847177)

4.2 came out on 27 January 2009 - that's 3.5 year ago, back then Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was still fairly fresh and no one was expecting GNOME 3, Unity or Linux 3.0 or Firefox with double digit version numbers in the upcomming decade. Win7 was still in the making. Adobe Flash seemed unkillable and so on. KDE SC itself became usable around 4.4, versions before that were not for the feint of heart. GNOME 3 also had rough upstart with people considering 3.2 the first usable version and given experience of KDE i'm pretty sure even that's putting spin on things because just having software not crash all the time isn't enough to call it truly golden.

Re:Another Win (3, Insightful)

not already in use (972294) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845209)

Any service with a commenting section is full of people projecting their anger and insecurities on others. Given the nature of slashdot, it's particularly bad here.

Re:Another Win (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845695)

Any service with a commenting section is full of people projecting their anger and insecurities on others. Given the nature of slashdot, it's particularly bad here.

And anyone using the word "haters" is right up there among the most insecure.
What ever happened to a difference of opinion?

I personally dislike Gnome, but I certainly don't "hate" it.
I much prefer KDE, but I understand people who want things much simpler.

Re:Another Win (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845797)

But even if you did hate it, so what? The fucking DE fanbois need to get over themselves.

Re:Another Win (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845537)

Thanks KDE, your releases just keep getting better. The Metadata info will be great to have.

True, but many of these features have been there for several releases.

Metadata has been available in the Information sidebar for well over a year.
Detachable Konsole tabs have been there since KDE 3.5 days (what, almost 5 years now?).
PDF annotations in ocular have been there for many prior releases, only the option to print them is new.
And Kontact PIM is still a mess.

So most of these are minor improvements to an already excellent desktop that far surpasses anything else in this market segment.

Re:Another Win (1)

richlv (778496) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848215)

i was surprised about 'detachable konsole tabs' being new, as that's something i've been using s lot since kde 3 indeed.
could somebody clarify what was actually meant there ?

A few months ago (1)

Wee (17189) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847031)

The haters, they just keep hating. When was the last time you used these apps?

Been using KDE for years and years because I detest GNOME (though I say this and also happen to be wearing a Ximian shwag t-shirt, so go figure). Got a new machine at work a few months back, threw Kubuntu 11.10 on it. Woof.

This machine isn't a speed daemon but within 10-14 days all 10GB of RAM were used. Switching to another window resulted in 5-10 seconds of swapping and HDD light activity. And I'm only running a web browser, an IDE, a mail client, and Konsole. I could partially mitigate the issue by closing everything and logging out, but that would only reclaim a bit of memory. Rebooting was the only solution, and only then it just bought another few weeks until I had to shut down again.

Wiped it, installed Xubuntu and there's no reason for me not to use Xfce since I've been up for months now without an issue.

I'm not a "hater", but I don't know that I'll be a KDE user again. All I need is a workstation desktop environment. Not a tablet thing, not a phone thing, no "social media" tie-ins, just a stable, usable, reasonably svelte DE. Xfce has so far fit the bill perfectly.

-B

Re:A few months ago (1)

Metal_Militia (1201049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848121)

It's probably a Kubuntu fault. I use extensively KDE from Debian Sid on a crappy Dell laptop (4 gb of ddr2 ram, integrated intel graphic, a pretty basic core 2 duo from the 2008), with Firefox (lots of tabs open, heavy modern javascript crap loaded), a python ide, an awful ica client, messaging clients and a gargantuan number of Konsole tabs open. With kde 4.8 i'm almost always well below 3 GB of ram used. With more than 30 days of uptime. Disclaimer: the first thing i do to a fresh kde install is to disable nepomuk :-)

Re:Another Win (2)

Maltheus (248271) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848087)

I'm a long time user who finally threw in the towel a few months ago. I like KDE as a window manager, but the "desktop" internals drive me crazy. Especially knotify4. That app has locked up more of my linux systems than any other piece of software out there. Finally got tired of flipping the power switch and now (after an adjustment period) I'm much happier with openbox/tint2. Not missing that semantic/nepomuk garbage either.

Activities? (5, Interesting)

colin_faber (1083673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40844959)

I love KDE but I don't understand activities. Am I "doing it wrong" ? I can't seem to find a use for this feature.

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845117)

You're not alone.

Re:Activities? (1)

Barsteward (969998) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845193)

I'm with you there. As a home user the only use i could have for activities is for each activity be a session in the sense i could have an instance of kmail/opera/whatever in each instance. It would save me having separate logins to separate the uses.

Re:Activities? (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845211)

Neither can I yet. It doesn't fit very well with how I use a desktop, but it seems to make a lot more sense when used together with the Netbook, Mobile or Tablet Plasma interfaces, where you can make specialized home- or notification-screens. Once I get KDE on one of those devices, I will try again, the idea sounds promising there.

Re:Activities? (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845885)

Activities have always been something of a niche feature, with most people being perfectly content to use multiple desktops
which have been available since the Pleistocene. Having tools on the desktop in the form of widgets or switching the entire look and feel based on when you stop work and start relaxing were just about the whole selling point of activities, but none of these were problems to begin with.

Unfortunately, the KDE team let one small group of designers (two people, as best as I can figure out) run away with the desktop for several releases trying to foist Activities on the userbase. In later releases, the bitch level got so high that the rest of the KDE team have pretty much got those individuals under control, and sanity has returned. You can pretty much avoid activities now entirely, or at least make them sit silently in the background managing nothing but wallpaper.

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846727)

Unfortunately, the KDE team let one small group of designers (two people, as best as I can figure out) run away with the desktop for several releases trying to foist Activities on the userbase. In later releases, the bitch level got so high that the rest of the KDE team have pretty much got those individuals under control, and sanity has returned. You can pretty much avoid activities now entirely, or at least make them sit silently in the background managing nothing but wallpaper.

I've been using KDE exclusively since before 4.0, been using the 4.0 branch since, well, 4.0, and have been updating it on a weekly or at worst monthly basis for over a year on Arch. While I think I do recall seeing an 'activities' icon on my taskbar somewhere, this is really the first I've heard of the thing. So I'm not sure what you're talking about but it seems like quite the exaggeration...unless Arch has been doing some kind of modifications to their KDE packages.

Re:Activities? (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847377)

Right click your desktop some time.
I run XFCE on Arch, so I can't speak with authority, but I suspect Arch chose the option that hides activities all along.

Re:Activities? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847997)

Arch is all about vanilla packages. I installed Arch/KDE in February and Activities were in the default panel, whereas the Virtual Desktop Pager was not...

That was just about the first thing I "fixed". :)

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848573)

I fixed the problem on my home box used by my very not savvy family by removing all but the Desktop Icons activity, thus they can't accidentally get lost in some useless screen that adds nothing to the interface. That and disabling the Nepomuk desktop search thingy makes the box usable. (It can go along with Beagle and Tracker to the land of /dev/null).

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845243)

I can't find a reason for 99% of the "improvements" they make.

How about making it look less dopey and more professional?

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845273)

I think this is more a style issue vs. actual feature problem. KDE is pretty flexible for look and feel. There are just some seemingly not so useful features for the desktop / laptop user.

Re:Activities? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845271)

Don't worry, nobody can, except perhaps Siego. Activities are a solution looking for a problem.

Re:Activities? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847341)

"a solution looking for a problem"

Brilliant. I can think of that as well put in a large number of totally different scenarios.

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845295)

It's more a thing for portable devices (i.e. tablets).
Basically the activity system let's you switch between different desktop configurations.
You can have a desktop configured for use at home, another for use at work, another for presentations, etc.
You can configure each activity to hide UI elements, files, notifications, etc. not needed by the activity, or certain apps to act differently when certain activity is in use.

Re:Activities? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848041)

My issue with this approach is that all this stuff needs to be loaded into RAM, and isn't that exactly the sort of thing portables are lacking compared to a dev workstation?

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845505)

Activities are useful if you use a lot of plasmoids. Each activity has unique plasmoids, but panels are global.

Re:Activities? (5, Insightful)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845579)

Think of it a groups of applications and desktop widgets between which you can switch.

For example, I find it convenient to have, say, an IDE, a web browser a couple consoles and relevant apps in an activity, and in another activity the word processor, another browser, perhaps a drawing programme.

I could do that on virtual desktops, but I like each group of apps spread over 3-4 virtual desktops. This is like a way of organising (in my case) 18 virtual desktops in 6 more manageable groups. Also, I don't want the twitter feed on all of them, and I want different directories on my desktop for each group.

Does it make sense?

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846055)

That doesn't make sense to me.

What do you mean by "different browsers" because I think you're making things up.

When I switch from one activity to another, all my Konsoles stay right where they are and I can't have a separate browser instance. As far as I can tell, "Activities" apply only to plasmoids, and plasmoids only apply to the desktop. That's great if all you do is stare at the desktop all day, but if you actually want to do something, the whole thing falls flat on its face.

Re:Activities? (3, Interesting)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846147)

This is not how activities work: applications are attached to a desktop and an activity. Thus activities can be used group apps together, in a way which is orthogonal to desktops.

Changing activities is like changing virtual desktops, except you are changing groups of VDs (and also the widgets on them, but this is nice but to me secondary)

Re:Activities? (1)

spike hay (534165) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846667)

If you use a tiling WM like DWM or Awesome, you have a similar concept (as far as I can tell) with tags. Each window is assigned a tag, and you can have one or more tags in your current view.

Re:Activities? (1)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | more than 2 years ago | (#40846797)

Not the same: I have sets of widows, spread over VDs. I can switch independently between VDs and activities. For example:

activity Mail:
  desktop 1 : mailer
  desktop 2 : IM and image viewer
  on all desktops, a folder view of important documents

activity Waste Of Time:
  desktop 1 : slashdot and patience
  desktop 2 : amarok
  on all desktops folder view of cat pictures and twitter feed

Activity Writing Stuff
    desktop 1 : wikipedia
    desktop 2 : word processor and reference manager
on all desktops, sticky notes.

I could add to that tiling, but I never was convinced by tiling: I actually like overlaps ;)

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848501)

I don't know what you're talking about.

When I click on the three colored dots next to my K menu, I have 4 activities listed. I work in "unnamed". This is an assumption because it looks selected. There's another activity called "Desktop Icons" that looks the same, but is not selected. If I switch to that, the background in my 4 virtual desktops change to the same things and my 1 desktop plasmoid goes away, and all my Konsoles are exactly where they were before. Firefox goes away now, but last time I tried this the "Downloads" window would pop up and clicking it would switch me back the other "unnamed" activity.

There are two other activities. "Photos" has a 'play' icon and a smaller 'delete' icon; "Search and Launch" has only the smaller 'delete' icon. "Unnamed" and "Desktop Icons" have only a smaller 'stop' icon where the 'delete' icon is on the other activities.

I created a new activity from the template "newspaper layout" and switched to that -- exactly the same thing as "Desktop Icons" -- Firefox goes away, the 4 virtual desktops all get the same background, and all the Konsoles remain where they are. Dolphin stays open as well. I guess okular and libreoffice go away, but I do a lot of my work in Konsoles.

So from the "newspaper layout" I typed "firefox" in a Konsole. I got an empty browser window. It sounds to me like this is going to be a disaster when FF crashes and restored all my open tabs/windows, but I'll go with it. I switch back to "unnamed" and now the empty browser window appears in the "Firefox" list from the running apps bar.

Call me skeptical, but I'm not sold.

Re:Activities? (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845589)

I don't use it but I see a potential use, for example if you have a laptop that you use at work and at home you can have a work activity with all the documents and shortcuts to programs that you use at work on desktop and then have another home activity with games, photos and other crap on the desktop. Or you could have a boss activity where you switch when your boss is around and a slashdot activity with live feeds from slashdot on desktop and other such productive things :)

Re:Activities? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845639)

I had the same problem until just recently where I started working on several programs at once. Now I never close my IDE, profilers, file manager..., I just go to the next activity when I am done working on one project. I usually manage to fill up pretty much every virtual desktop in each activity. When I log in I hit super+tab until I am at the right activity that has everything open that I need to continue my work.
So right now I have an activity for my regular stuff like emails and browsing, several for my projects and one to watch movies where I disabled screen-savers and powering down the screen etc.
Even though I haven't really changed much widget wise on each activity, I quite like that feature now.

Re:Activities? (3, Insightful)

zlamma (962382) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845955)

If you don't understand them, it means you don't have the problem they are solving - a lot of UI components open all at once.

But whenever you're overloaded with multitude of items, grouping may help you. And sometimes you can distinguish some non-overlapping groups of GUI components. These are activities.
Like: For staying up to date with life (my eMail client, my facebook page), for the project I am currently working on (my IDE, some folders of the project I am currently editing, GIThub page, various googling sessions I am doing in research), for the entertainment (my favorite offtopic sites, etc.).

Re:Activities? (1)

Tetch (534754) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845965)

I love KDE but I don't understand activities

I feel exactly the same - I have no idea what an activity is, what it's for, or how to use it. But I have figured out (I think) that you have to edit activity settings in order to change the wallpaper or screensaver ..... wait a minute, was that KDE 4.4, or KDE 4.8 ? Confused I am, quite a bit.

Still, at least in 4.8 you can now edit the window decoration theme for the KDM login dialog without having to know the arcane binary name of the 'System Settings' utility to run via KDESU.

One of the key missing components in current KDE is some good documentation about many of the features. Maybe I need to get off my ass, learn, and then contribute docs back ...

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846115)

I've actually read dozens of blog posts, forums and ALL related documentation.

And I still don't get it.

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846355)

Me neither, but it also makes absolutely no difference to me that it exist. So why should it, as you imply, be removed? I'm certain there are people who use it and find it useful.

If you're into removing "unneeded" functionality, there's already a desktop environment for you -- although it's not very popular these days, for some reason.

Re:Activities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40846531)

I don't know what the correct way to use them is, but I basically use them as named virtual desktops that I can save and start/stop at any time. It's pretty nice being able to click a button and have my apps open up with the documents and tabs I was working with a day or two ago sitting in front of me.

KDE Wallet - Fail (-1, Redundant)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845063)

The best thing they could do is to stuff KDE Wallet up the ass of the fucking knobs who created it, and anyone who promotes it. The next best thing would be to disable it by default instead of its current enabled by default. It gets in the way more than it helps. First thing I do is disable it to prevent it from annoying me at best and fucking things up at worst.

The next best thing would be if they made Dolphin look, feel, and behave like Thunar. Maybe better would be to throw Dolphin out the fucking window. The way it displays files and directories sucks shite (and NO, none of the Dolphin view options is worth a wet sack of monkey shit). Say what you will about the Windows Explorer look and feel, but Thunar is the most usable of any of the Linux GUI file managers. I don't need 90% of the bells and whistles of the other file managers (including Dolphin), and when I do there are better less clunky apps to handle the job (including the command line which is faster and easier to use than most of Dolphin). I prefer KDE over the other desktops but I install Thunar and make it my default file manager first thing after disabling KDE Wallet (the other unfortunate pile of dog vomit in an otherwise good desktop but which KDE needs to scrape off and throw in the garbage). The only thing I can think of that might make it better for my purposes is an integrated search feature.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (1)

ezakimak (160186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845165)

Who actually uses a file manager??

bash FTW.

Or, for complicated renames, emacs dired.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845277)

Who needs Dolphin when there is Konqueror?

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (1)

Gavagai80 (1275204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845933)

Well, it'd help if konqueror were actually maintained and didn't crash all the time.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847777)

Konqueror? Their file browser is Dolphin since 4.0 (which I've never had a single issue with). Konqueror I think is still included as their default web browser, but you've gotta be out of your mind if you aren't using Firefox or Chromium or something instead...I wouldn't be surprised if they had actively decided to stop maintaining it because it's always sucked and there's really no purpose to it anymore. I think Konqueror has become the Linux equivalent of IE6...

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847957)

Their file browser is Dolphin since 4.0 (which I've never had a single issue with)

It doesn't have half the file browser features Konqueror has. For just one example, FileLight integration.

Dolphin is a dumbed down version of a subset of what was in Konq. Fortunately, Konq is still available, but I don't think it's being maintained very much any more so it may fall into unusability.

Captcha: setback

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (0)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40847725)

The next best thing would be if they made Dolphin look, feel, and behave like Thunar. Maybe better would be to throw Dolphin out the fucking window. The way it displays files and directories sucks shite (and NO, none of the Dolphin view options is worth a wet sack of monkey shit). Say what you will about the Windows Explorer look and feel, but Thunar is the most usable of any of the Linux GUI file managers

That's odd, I run XFCE and pop open Dolphin whenever I want some GUI file managment. 99% of the time, Bash does everything I need. For that 1% of the time left, I'm probably doing something that needs 2 panes. Thunar [xfce.org] is so simplistic as to be essentially useless, you might as well use the Windows 3.1 File Manager [msdn.com] .

I was a Dolphin skeptic back when they first deprecated Konqueror. But they've made it good and featureful, and took the best from both single pane and orthodox file managers. My only regret is that I have to load KDE libs to use it.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848201)

Thunar looks like a dumbed down version of an open file dialog, and probably has less features.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848259)

I like Dolphin, but it has gone downhill on my current Arch install after 5 months of use.

2 big issues, maybe interrelated:

1. Directory views are frequently not longer "synced" after file operations. I have to use F5 to reload the tab before it displays the actual current contents. Files used to appear as they were copied or vanish as they were deleted, but that only happens sometimes now.

2. Certain directories with file previews turned on get "stuck" attempted to populate all the thumbnails, causing one CPU to be pegged at 100% until I navigate to a different directory in that tab.

Is there a way to delete Dolphin's internal database and start anew? I suppose deleting everything in ~/.config/dolphin would work, but I wanted to know if there is a more elegant solution.

Re:KDE Wallet - Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848597)

It sounds like you should to try Krusader, a nice old fashioned twin panel file manager.

--
Teun

Good job (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845079)

Many times I've tried to switch to linux from windows and many times I moved back because something doesn't work as it should or slow, etc. But recently I've installed Kubuntu 12.04 and I actually like it. It has been 2 weeks now and I'm not planning to get back to Windows. I still have windows to play games though. Anyway, good job KDE, keep up the good work!

yay for the remaining desktop GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845087)

Since Win8, Unity, Gnome3, and others have all jumped on the "mobile device" bandwagon, it's good to see that there's still someone concentrating on providing non-dumbed down desktop environments. Xfce is OK but it's a much simpler and less functional environment than KDE.

My fear is that KDE will die (maybe because QT dies?) and then we will have nothing left for people who want to use their computer as a computer rather than as a media consumption device.

Re:yay for the remaining desktop GUI (1)

ezakimak (160186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845181)

QT can't die. It's dual-licensed. There will always be the open-sourced version available.
May the fork be with us.

Re:yay for the remaining desktop GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845311)

But if all the developers are bought, then it can die a de-facto death, which is just as bad.

Without a central team and vision, it's really easy for projects like that to perish, open source or not.

Re:yay for the remaining desktop GUI (1)

ezakimak (160186) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845499)

While that may be true for small libs, QT has such a massive usage base I can't imagine a team won't evolve to pick it up and continue it. I've no doubt some of the employees, some devs from KDE, some from other large projects may join in to carry its torch.

The KDE devs can't let it die--because their project depends on it--so they have a vested interest to maintain it even if it turns out no one else cares (which by itself is not likely).

Furthermore, it's for sale--not hovering /dev/null. Some other company may purchase it with just as much or more interest in seeing it move forward.

Re:yay for the remaining desktop GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845551)

Let's hope :).

Re:yay for the remaining desktop GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40845637)

KDE depends on QuickTime?

Ubuntu 12.04? (2)

dmt0 (1295725) | more than 2 years ago | (#40845775)

Has anyone dared to install it through a backports PPA on Ubuntu?
Is it something worth doing?

Re:Ubuntu 12.04? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847257)

the last guy that tried it was institutionalized...

Re:Ubuntu 12.04? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40847647)

www.kubuntu.org will have details as soon as they are available.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04? (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848327)

If you intend to use the LTS released for actual long term support, I recommend against doing this.

If you want something closer to the edge, you should use Debian Unstable, Arch, etc.

I always laugh at the guys on ubuntu forums asking about how to install the current kernel on their 10.04 box...

Re:Ubuntu 12.04? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40848643)

Try the neon ppa, it'll install it in parallel to whatever you have now, you select it at log in.

--
Teun

Question for the devs: nepomuk (2)

fritsd (924429) | more than 2 years ago | (#40848115)

What I would like to know is, if I do the following:

ssh -X otheruser@localhost kmail

Does it Just Work(TM)? Or does it still crash because akonadi / nepomuk / strigi / mysql / kitchensink haven't all been woken up at the same time to serve the urgent e-mail indexing needs of otheruser@localhost.

It's interesting to me that akonadi has such a nice and detailed self-test, but a pity that it seems to need it :-(
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