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Mouse Begone: Use Head Movements And IR Instead

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the invest-in-3m-reflectors dept.

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Gonzodoggy writes: "Saw this on my local news last night. There's a company in Oregon that is trying to eliminate the mouse as we know it. The company is called Naturalpoint. Basically, you place a reflective dot on your forehead or, for laptop users, a plastic ring on your finger. Then when you move your head or your finger, the mouse goes where you point. The demo on the news showed a gamer making the game look where he looked, allowing him to keep both hands on the keyboard" Looks like a cool idea, but very Windows only for now. So I guess I'll have to rig up a trackball underfoot, and just fool my housemates into thinking I was controlling the cursor with my changing glances.

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Re:Many rapid head movements? (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#336067)

well SHIT man, my wrist is so strong from, ahem, 'workin out'I think I'd have to agree

Depends on your monitor (1)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#336068)

With a 24" beasty on your desk, trust me - you'll be moving yer head all over the place!

Imagine the fun! (2)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#336069)

Hang a disco ball over your cube and just beam the ring into it... Have everyone in your office yelling in no time! :)

Ooops... (5)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#336070)

I sneezed and deleted my C:\WINDOWS directory!

Foot and Trackball disease (1)

DataPath (1111) | more than 13 years ago | (#336072)

ROFL timothy!
rig up a trackball underfoot...
Sounds like an old prank that my older brother played on me...
on our old atari 800xl, he wrote a program that would "identify" us by putting our hand in the cartridge slot. All he really did, though, was set it up so that if he was pushing down one key when he ran the program, it would say it was one person. If he pushed down a different one, it would say someone else.

To me, it was some bewitchment on our atari.

Art? (1)

J05H (5625) | more than 13 years ago | (#336075)

Yeah, try doing a digital painting with that.

"Hey, J05H, why are you twitching?"
"I'm trying to smudge this part of the picture."

Just doesn't work, gimme a good Wacom any day!

Re:fun pranks (2)

PD (9577) | more than 13 years ago | (#336076)

My professors used to get pr0n on their video projection systems in front of the whole class. That was always fun.

It'd be cool if... (2)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 13 years ago | (#336077)

It'd be cool if it worked with an off-the-produce Banana sticker, instead of a high-tech dot.

Downside (2)

rnturn (11092) | more than 13 years ago | (#336078)

This unit'll make it tough to listen to any music with decent beat and use your computer at the same time. ``Sorry boss. How could I have known that listening to Nine Inch Nails would delete all the files in the source directories?''


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Gaming with this would suck (2)

Lx (12170) | more than 13 years ago | (#336079)

Ok, so the movements from your head correspond to the movements on the screen, presumably a FPS. Sounds like a great idea, but of course, the sensitivity of your movement needs to be amplified, like a mouse, so you can turn all the way around (180 deg.) without being the Exorcist chick.

That's all fine and well, but many people have problems with motion sickness with FPS's - the generally accepted theory afaik is that if since your perceived vision doesn't correspond to your body movements, you're likely under the influence of a poison and start to feel ill. The only time you think you're moving when you're not tends to be under the influence of a lot poison - drink too much alcohol, room spins, makes you vomit, etc.

Imagine how much it would screw you up to turn your head 10 degrees and do a 360 - I imagine that this wouldn't be that far from normal usage, because you still need to be able to see the screen while you're doing all this head-wagging. Now you don't just have the discrepancy between movement and sight - you actually are moving your head and seeing your FOV change, but in a wildly exaggerated way, in both speed and accelleration.

I don't normally have any game sickness, but I think that would make me puke pretty quick. Oh yeah - also, picture what RSI would be like in a world where people used their heads as pointing devices instead of their hands :)

-lx

Deja Vu (2)

Ravenscall (12240) | more than 13 years ago | (#336080)

Wasn't there a story on this or something similar last week?

Re:Bad for business (2)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 13 years ago | (#336081)

You call your boss honey?

Doesn't everybody?

Bad for business (5)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 13 years ago | (#336082)

This is not going to make it easy to click off the window downloading pr0n right as the boss walks in...

"No really honey, I wasn't looking at her, it just popped on the screen by a virus."

"uh huh"

Old idea.. maybe commercially viable now. (1)

The Evil Dwarf from (17232) | more than 13 years ago | (#336085)

The mouse is getting close to 40 now, going grey, loosing its hair. I can't wait until it retires. These days my hand aches after spending a day mousing. Much as I dispise M$, I like the fact that my StinkPad has one of those little pointers in the middle which lets me move the cursor without taking my hands from the keyboard. Now if I can get a Heads Up Display with eye tracking built in, I can get eye strain.

Which reminds me, have these people done a study on repetative stress injury for this head-tracking tech? I would imagine that there a lot of people out there who would suffer greatly from this kind of tech (a friend/fellow sysadmin is a paraplegic, but capable of head motion).

This technology sounds also sounds like a fast way to eyestrain/neck problems. How many of you out there don't wear glasses? I have enough problems staring at VDUs all day without having to tightly control the location that I am pointing my head/eyes.

Late night sessions (1)

LionMan (18384) | more than 13 years ago | (#336086)

Might not be so good for those late night sessions ;)
Seriously, though, what if you need to attend to something which is independant from the computer? Like if your toast is burning, and you need to whip your head around to see why it smells like your pantry exploded? What if you were lining up a shot with a sniping scope in Counterstrike just then? No good!

This could be cool.. (2)

BilldaCat (19181) | more than 13 years ago | (#336087)

Tribes 2 and sniping with this thing... hmmmmm. Would be interesting to see how accurate it is, I'd be worried that simple natural movements would cause me to end up shooting way off.. having to keep -perfectly still- while trying to aim at someone might be a little much.

Re:fun pranks (1)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 13 years ago | (#336088)

Best one from my college years:
xmodmap a lab computer from across campus.

Start slowly at first, of course... ;-) A few keys here and there...

fun pranks (3)

YoJ (20860) | more than 13 years ago | (#336090)

The comment about using your foot to fool people into thinking you can move the mouse by thought made me think about some good pranks I've played on people in college.

One fun prank with mice is to go to the computer lab and switch the cables for two adjacent computers. You sit at one computer with a mouse and wait for someone to sit next to you. Your mouse controls their cursor, and their mouse controls your cursor. You start out by watching what they are doing and trying to mimic their movements (and don't laugh!) Then you start randomly sliding one direction consistently, or moving to a different place on the screen whenever they look away. See how long it takes for them to figure it out!

Another fun time was when we discovered that by default our lab had X permissions for anyone in the lab to connect to any display. It was great fun sending "dialog boxes" to random users that told them weird things to do to "fix" the system. For example, "WARNING! Monitor Overheat. Your monitor is overheating, please turn it off and then back on before continuing." Or make a fake "ICQ" type message that purports to come from a cute girl also in the room - see if you can get the victim to go up to the cute girl and talk to her!

not going to work (2)

avdp (22065) | more than 13 years ago | (#336091)

This is actually a pretty dumb idea. People move their eyes more than their heads. I have a 21" monitor and my head doesn't move at all as I look on the screen. What are they gonna do, have a prosthesis to prevent the eyeballs to move inside their sockets???

Missed opportunity (1)

fitsy (22336) | more than 13 years ago | (#336092)

The demo on the news showed a gamer making the game look where he looked, allowing him to keep both hands on the keyboard

Had the demo shown some geek looking at PrOn whilst "hands-free", there would have been a serious business opportunity there

Re:Many rapid head movements? (2)

DeathBunny (24311) | more than 13 years ago | (#336093)

>Uh, when you look around on a monitor, do you >regularly move your head extremely fast?

That's because your usually moving your *eyes*, not your entire head. I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to stick thier little reflective dot on my eyeball...

this reminds me of... (2)

mrzaph0d (25646) | more than 13 years ago | (#336094)

that part in THHGTG...

"For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive -- you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular ependiture, of course, but meant you had to sit infuriatingly still is you wanted to keep listening to the same program."

truth is stranger than fiction, right?

Not very prectical (2)

deander2 (26173) | more than 13 years ago | (#336095)


Alright, now replacing the mouse with something that looks wherever you look is certainly cool, but this is not a promising solution. When I am using my computer, most of the time my head is stationary. It is my EYES that do the moving. It's going to get very tiring to precisely position my entire scull every time I want to move the mouse.

A better approch would be to follow my eye-movement in relation to my head and the monitor. This would require some pretty fancy cameras to get the detail level one would need, but it would be really cool, don't you think? :-)

Foot controlled? (1)

drenehtsral (29789) | more than 13 years ago | (#336096)

Sorta like how dust puppy from user friendly plays quake =:-)

we will all have scarlet letters on our foreheads (1)

seibed (30057) | more than 13 years ago | (#336097)

soon we will have to wear letters on our foreheads to identify ourselves in multi-user set-ups, collabarative efforts between two people with similar names might require different color letters, hence the scarlet letter...

Maybe Listers H was related to this...

Repetitive Stress Neck Injuries (1)

Skynet (37427) | more than 13 years ago | (#336100)

This is a bad idea. I can't see how this wouldn't cause you an Repetive Stress Injury (RSI) to your neck. Especially if you have a large screen (21" +) monitor. You just don't screw with the nerves in your neck. It's not natural to move your head all around when you are looking at a computer screen. Do you do this when you are watching a movie? Do you do this when you are reading a book?

No. It's your EYES that move and THAT'S what needs to be tracked. Maybe a pair of reflective contact lenses? That would be too much trouble. Actually, the pupils are naturally reflective (hence red-eye in photographs). Could they key on those? That would seem most logical. The eyes are very good at tracking.

Re:Many rapid head movements? (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 13 years ago | (#336102)

>do you regularly move your head extremely fast?

I don't need to because I can just move my eyes. Big difference.

This is going to wear out some necks! (1)

Sylvestre (45097) | more than 13 years ago | (#336103)

Since you usually don't swing your whole head around to look around your screen, this is gonna cause a whole lot of neck pain. Too bad, cool idea.

Heh heh heh. (2)

citizenc (60589) | more than 13 years ago | (#336106)

The head/neck wasn't designed for many, rapid, precise movements all day long (say, at work). The hand/wrist/arm was.
Heh heh heh. ;-)


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CitizenC

OK, this actually sounds like a cool idea (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 13 years ago | (#336107)

but what selfrespecting geek is going to wear one of those dot thingies on thier head?

Re:This could be cool.. (1)

rossz (67331) | more than 13 years ago | (#336109)

> having to keep -perfectly still- while trying to > aim at someone might be a little much.

That would make it much more realistic. Same goes for the hiccups, coughing, sneezing, etc. When you are in a dangerous situation, any of these could get you killed.

They said hi... (1)

jmccay (70985) | more than 13 years ago | (#336112)

Anybody else notice they said hi to /. readers? I think this might end up hurting our necks or hands.

Re:Many rapid head movements? (1)

jmccay (70985) | more than 13 years ago | (#336113)

Technically very few parts of the body were designed to do many, rapid, pricise movements repetively. You will have problems with the neck and your wrists/hands/arms.

The underlieing technology doesn't seem the complicate. I think I/R triangulation is what they you. I think a glove setup might work better. To press a button you'd just click touch your finger to your palm and the I/R device would be on the top of your hand.

Ouch! (1)

TheCrayfish (73892) | more than 13 years ago | (#336114)


Just what I need... Thoracic Outlet Syndrome [nih.gov] (carpel tunnel of the neck)!
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Re:Ooops... (3)

Nexx (75873) | more than 13 years ago | (#336115)

<zealot>You make that sound like it's a bad thing!</zealot>
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Re:Which leads to the obvious question ... (1)

aleander (95485) | more than 13 years ago | (#336122)

And a mass "oooo I don't feel so good" once in a hour...

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pr0n (2)

Wiggin (97119) | more than 13 years ago | (#336123)

so, does that mean that when i am looking at nice pictures at home that my browser window is going to be jumping all around?

Hmm... Seen before... (1)

chemguru (104422) | more than 13 years ago | (#336128)


Didn't we see this before, only instead of IR, it used RF?? Anywho... I'd love to see someone in the middle of CS or Quake bobbing their head around with one of these... Prolly look like someone in anaphalactic(sp?) shock. heh.

Re:Already exists (2)

chancycat (104884) | more than 13 years ago | (#336129)

MAjor price difference though. $1000 for the older technology,

Re:This could be cool.. (1)

jgerman (106518) | more than 13 years ago | (#336130)

Yes because a sniper keeping perfectly still while trying to aim at someone is absolutely ridiculous.

This won't work (2)

mmmmbeer (107215) | more than 13 years ago | (#336131)

At least until they can put a sensor on my eyes. Personally, I don't move my head enough for this to work. Of course, it could be just me. All alone. By myself. An outcast. Hey, you don't need to rub it in! Why is everybody always picking on me?

Hey, that wand is a Photon Microlight! (1)

MeepMeep (111932) | more than 13 years ago | (#336132)

Is it just me or does the wand look exactly like a Photon Microlight?

http:\\www.photonlight.com

Great little design, I guess it was bound to be copied.

Oh...that gives me an idea... (1)

sherpajohn (113531) | more than 13 years ago | (#336135)

A net connected app, the people place reflective dots in certain strategic positions on their bodies, and voila! Let's dance (or whatever ;-)

Going on means going far
Going far means returning

Re:Bad for business (1)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 13 years ago | (#336136)

Your HR department must be considerably more lax when dealing with sexual harassment cases. :)

Windows get around (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 13 years ago | (#336137)

I had a similar problem with my touch screen Windows only driver.
I got an old 486 ans used it on that. I then connected to my other machines via VNC and was able to use the touch sensitive bit with Unix & plan9.

Another benefit is you can use any windows compatible VGA card too.

If you use soemthing beefier than a 486 you could run WeirdX (http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/) which is a Java X Client

Another benefit is playing mp3s in Windows so you don't use those valuable cycles - no more choppy sound!
.oO0Oo.

Of course... (1)

Dr_Bones (125791) | more than 13 years ago | (#336141)

...this ignores the research being done to control the pointer with your eyes. I've seen demos where the pointer will follow where you look, and you can blink to click. Very strange stuff indeed, but nicely functional.

The wheels of progress (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 13 years ago | (#336145)

So people can look forward to suffering permenant brain damage instead of carpal tunnel syndrome as they flail their heads around trying to move a pointer on the screen?

Why is it... (1)

Tyler Durden (136036) | more than 13 years ago | (#336151)

...that whenever I use this device and a Hindu looks over my shoulder to see what I'm doing the computer starts acting whacky?

(Ok so that's borderline racist, but how could I resist?)

-Tyler

Q: "What would Marilyn Monroe be doing if she were alive today?"
A: "Clawing at the lid of her coffin."

Apache Pilots use this daily (1)

HerrGlock (141750) | more than 13 years ago | (#336153)

This is the same thing the Apache (tank killing helicopter) uses for the 30MM. It's already tried and proven technology.

DanH
Cav Pilot's Reference Page [cavalrypilot.com]

Re:Of course... (1)

silicon_synapse (145470) | more than 13 years ago | (#336154)

Blinking to click would be good and bad. It would be bad because we often blink unconsciously, and that would just wreak havoc. It would be good too because research has shown that when sitting in front of a monitor for long periods of time, we blink much less often than we should so our eyes dry out, and that just causes all kinds of trouble. Eh. You win some, you lose some.


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yeah, right.... (1)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 13 years ago | (#336158)

I want to look like a twitching metal patient when I am using my computer..... this will give me more time to poke myself in the eye!!!
ender-iii

Re:yeah, right.... (1)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 13 years ago | (#336159)

right, I can spell..... I just got a little excited.
metal patient = mental patient
ender-iii

this sounds as cool as..... (1)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 13 years ago | (#336160)

the power glove!
"it's so bad" - The Wizzard
ender-iii

Re:This could be cool.. (4)

Nidhogg (161640) | more than 13 years ago | (#336161)

Heh. I had the same concern with sniping in Half-life TFC.

To make things worse imagine having the hiccups while playing with this thing responding to your forehead.

"Dude. What the hell are you shooting at?"
"Shut up! I've got the fscking hiccups!"

Re:Of course... (2)

djmagee (165242) | more than 13 years ago | (#336162)

of course, how the hell would you click and drag? or highlight something with your eyes closed?

hmmm wouldnt this infringe on some Hindu religions (1)

chowpalace (166596) | more than 13 years ago | (#336163)

Depending on what color the reflective dot is, some folks might assume you were betrothed to someone....

If it uses head movements... (1)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 13 years ago | (#336165)

Doesn't that mean you end up looking away from the screen?

It seems a bit unnatural that you have to look away from a screen to move a mouse :) But the other ideas are very practical...Aiming your finger is nice for those carpal tunnel syndromers

Re:This could be cool.. (1)

EvlPenguin (168738) | more than 13 years ago | (#336166)

That would make it much more realistic. Same goes for the hiccups, coughing, sneezing, etc. When you are in a dangerous situation, any of these could get you killed.

But it still wouldn't be an equal playing ground, because most people would still be using the keyboard/mouse combo. And really, are you going to choose "realism" over winning?
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Been in use for a while now... (3)

Golias (176380) | more than 13 years ago | (#336169)

I know somebody who had a stroke and lost the use of almost everything. He has been using a head-mounted laser-pointer as his ONLY interface for years now. (He types using a fuzzy-logic driven selection system like Stephen Hawkings uses... point at a letter, and a menu of your most common words comes up, which changes as you select more letters; select a word, and the menu gives you likely phrases, etc.) It's time-consuming to type that way, but as a mouse-pointer the gadget works like a champ.

While it has been a boon to those with disabiliies, a gadget like this for the rest of us would probably reduce RSI quite a bit. As much as people complain about keyboards, unergonomic mouse techniques are probably responsible for at least as many injuries.

Beware head colds... (1)

GoodbyeBlueSky1 (176887) | more than 13 years ago | (#336170)

Sneezing might cause a bit of a problem...

Re:Many rapid head movements? (2)

Anal Surprise (178723) | more than 13 years ago | (#336172)

The real problem with eye-movement-based systems is that, when you're looking at something, your eye is often focused on a point near the object, and not the object itself.

That's why this technology is currently only being used by people with disabilities, and the "buttons" are huge.

Repetive stress injury from gaming? (1)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 13 years ago | (#336173)

What are the odds of getting whiplash after getting fragged from behind?

Re:Bad for business (1)

Wordsmith (183749) | more than 13 years ago | (#336174)

Well, I've always considered any "honey" I've had to be the boss :)

Obligatory Revelations reference (1)

saforrest (184929) | more than 13 years ago | (#336176)

From the article:
>Basically, you place a reflective dot on your forehead or, for laptop users, a plastic ring on your finger.

I know it's a stretch, but I just have to add:
Rev.13:16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Adds a whole new dimension to one-click shopping, eh?

Why track a dot when the pupil is just as good? (1)

dracus (191122) | more than 13 years ago | (#336178)

There was a researcher at CMU (of all places) who developed a system that used a small camera pointed at the user to track where they were looking based on the pupil of the eyes. The relative width and height and distance from the center point between the eyes gave it the position the person was looking at. A simple smoothing algorithm and a calibration utility allowed it to work without absolute reference points. The biggest problems were with tracking the head (it needed to zoom in on the eyes) and keeping even lighting. If you sit still enough, then a Quickcam (or similar) may work (it did not need high resolution, just a good look at the eyes). Also, the eye mussels evolved to do the quick, fine motions that the neck mussels do not handle well, you do not need a little dot (which needs to be shared between users, and can be lost), and does not depend on specialized hardware. Pax Draconis

Nodding off (1)

Papa Legba (192550) | more than 13 years ago | (#336179)

I just can't help but wonder what this is going to do when I start to nod off in the office. Head whips forward from the back of the chair and BOOM goes the harddrive....

90 degrees? (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 13 years ago | (#336182)

What happens when you turn your head 90 degrees so you can look next to yourself in a game. Sounds pretty limiting for gaming, unless you have a nice 4 monitor setup.

The alignment process can't be too comfortable if you have something attached to your head. You can't move around in your chair.

I'd much rather have something that can watch my eyeballs, but then again, while I'm reading a webpage, my mouse would continually be hovering over the text I'm reading.

Sweaty, Greasy forehead? (1)

donutz (195717) | more than 13 years ago | (#336183)

It sounds like a good idea, except that

  1. it'll make everyone look hindu
  2. will it stick to greasy foreheads?
  3. if you're looking at pr0n and getting all hot and steamy, is that sweat dripping down the reflector gonna fsck up your mouse?

. . .

JavaScript Depenent Site (OT) (1)

OnyxMedia (202132) | more than 13 years ago | (#336184)

You MUST have Javascript to purchase products from this site.

Umm... you must not use JavaScript if you want my business.

Re:Foot controlled? (1)

Tyndareos (206375) | more than 13 years ago | (#336186)

I'm already smiling at the idea of Illiad taking his turn on this `cool new technology' ...

Re:OK, this actually sounds like a cool idea (1)

CowbertPrime (206514) | more than 13 years ago | (#336187)

what self-respecting geek is going to wear a VR helmet? VR glasses were THE fad of like 1994 or something...

That's not right! (1)

a1englishman (209505) | more than 13 years ago | (#336188)

I don't want the cursor where I'm looking, I want it where it's supposed to be!

Re:90 degrees? (2)

deinol (210478) | more than 13 years ago | (#336189)

What happens when you turn your head 90 degrees so you can look next to yourself in a game. Sounds pretty limiting for gaming, unless you have a nice 4 monitor setup.

I've tested this product before, it scales the motion so that you don't need to move your head very far. By the time you reach the edge of the screen you can turn around two or three times in counter-strike. Every once in a while you need to shift yourself back over, but not very often.

The alignment process can't be too comfortable if you have something attached to your head. You can't move around in your chair.

The dot is very light weight and once you've had it on for a few minutes its easy to forget about it. The alignment process takes a total of five seconds, and so if you shift far in your chair then you just trigger it to realign. That part of the driver was working very well when I last saw it.

I'd much rather have something that can watch my eyeballs, but then again, while I'm reading a webpage, my mouse would continually be hovering over the text I'm reading.

There are precise eye tracking devices available, in fact this company has one that they sell to disabled people. But that kind of device has a price tag around $2000. They designed the dot tracker to be much cheaper: $50-$100 was the price estimate I heard when I was testing for them. (Side note: with a really precise eye tracking system, you don't need a mouse cursor. You know where you are looking, right? That's really cool to work with.) So while the dot tracker isn't the answer for total VR, it's pretty good and reasonably affordable.

The one place I think this device will be really handy is for console systems. The main reason I wouldn't ever want to play Quake/Half-Life/Any other 3D shooter on a PS2 or other system is the lack of a mouse. But I've played counter-strike using this for looking and a gravis game pad for movement and everything else, and that works very well.

Dot on forehead (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 13 years ago | (#336193)

If I saw someone sitting at their desk with a dot on their forehead, I'd be screaming "DUCK" and heading for cover myself.
I may have been watching too many movies.

Note: Above may not apply if you live in India.
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better introductories (1)

jobber-d (225767) | more than 13 years ago | (#336195)

when i read the first sentence about a company "trying to eliminate the mouse as we know it" i wondered to what purpose would killing all the mice in the world be? Of course, then I read the next line and realized my own ignorance

Re:Many rapid head movements? (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 13 years ago | (#336198)

I agree. That would definately be useful, and cause no added stress whatsoever, since our eyes already track everything we do on a monitor.

Many rapid head movements? (4)

NineNine (235196) | more than 13 years ago | (#336199)

I don't think that this would be very useful. The head/neck wasn't designed for many, rapid, precise movements all day long (say, at work). The hand/wrist/arm was. Besides, I'd much rather have repetitive stress in my write than in my neck.

Re:hotkeys (2)

telstar (236404) | more than 13 years ago | (#336200)

Doesn't this take us back to the 0-click shopping patent?

Which leads to the obvious question ... (1)

WillSeattle (239206) | more than 13 years ago | (#336202)

can you imagine what the office of the future would look like? Lots of people with lighters, bobbing and shaking their heads and letting their eyes roll around.

Um, is this your vision of heaven? Sounds more like hell, although I guess the PHBs will love all the Yes Men they get with such a system ...

Re:OK, this actually sounds like a cool idea (1)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 13 years ago | (#336203)

Maybe it will be red, and we all can go around looking like those married women over in India

Re:Bad for business (5)

flynt (248848) | more than 13 years ago | (#336204)

You call your boss honey?

you think carpal tunnel is bad (1)

typical geek (261980) | more than 13 years ago | (#336210)

try walking around with your neck aching all day long.

no thanks.

Well.. (1)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 13 years ago | (#336211)

The finger thing for laptops seems pretty cool..The IBM trackpoint is the only laptop pointing device I've been able to use at all, and even that feels fucked up.

The forehead thing is just wrong, though. I mean, I move my head all the time (to look to the side to see whats going on in the room), bop my head to music, etc...I really don't want these movements jumping my cursor around. Gaming with it would be a nightmare too. Rocket jump too much and you might end up with whiplash. How do you do a 360 turn at medium to low sensitivity? (You know, the type you lift up the mouse for now?)??

Oh well..

Re:Been in use for a while now... (1)

derf77 (265283) | more than 13 years ago | (#336212)

A writer at the Providence Journal [projo.com] is paralyzed from the neck down. He writes by staring at letters on the screen. Seriously.

FORCE FEEDBACK! (1)

V'alien (265475) | more than 13 years ago | (#336213)

Yes! Force feedback dot-thingies. Then we can really be immersed in UT/Quake/Serious Sam. :)

HANS device anyone?

~V

Re:If it uses head movements... (1)

oldhacker (265635) | more than 13 years ago | (#336214)

... I can see it now - instead of a $20 wristpad in front of your mouse the new geektoy will be designer neck braces to avoid carp in the neck syndrome...

The Secret is to Bang the Rocks Together (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 13 years ago | (#336215)

Did anyone else get this image of Zaphod Beeblebrox having to hold his hand infuriatingly still to listen to news about himself on the sub-etha?

gentleman and a scholar (2)

deran9ed (300694) | more than 13 years ago | (#336217)

Goodbye Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, welcome neck injuries, back injuries, headaches.

anonyminity [antioffline.com]

Re:fun pranks (1)

CanSpice (300894) | more than 13 years ago | (#336218)

Gah! Someone did this to a terminal I tried logging in to once, but they only remapped one key. They remapped 'b' to '^H'. Needless to say, it made it impossible for me to login since my username was 'bcavanagh'.

After that one of my friends referred to me as "^Hrad".

This isn't exactly a new idea... (1)

isa-kuruption (317695) | more than 13 years ago | (#336220)

I think many many years ago there were more or less wearable mice.

I'm still waiting for the device that reads your thoughts and moves your mouse.... or opens up your web browser... and brings up slashdot or your favorite pr0n site... just by thinking about it

ooh and it even works when your boss comes by... it'll read your mind and just go away.. what a concept, can i patent this?

Re:Already exists (1)

Eoli (320216) | more than 13 years ago | (#336222)

Agreed, but unfortunately this is what disabled people have had to deal with... $1,000 for a product just because, well, you have no choice!

Already exists (3)

Eoli (320216) | more than 13 years ago | (#336223)

Check out Headmaster Plus [worklink.net] . I work in adaptive technology and this kind of stuff has been going on for a few years now.

Re:Many rapid head movements? (5)

Eoli (320216) | more than 13 years ago | (#336224)

There are other systems out there that can do similar things with eye movement, so you can save your neck.

Some good research [stanford.edu] from Stanford.

A practical demonstration [eyegaze.com] .

Some people have no choice but to use such devices unfortunately.

Double-clicking is fun (5)

Eoli (320216) | more than 13 years ago | (#336225)

Just bang your head on the desk twice in rapid succession. Most computer users do this a few times a day anyway.

Together with voice recognition... (1)

Tricolor Paulista (323547) | more than 13 years ago | (#336229)

... your hands don't even have to leave your pockets! Great for cold days!

Serioulsy, they're not exactly thinking multitasking for us poor Linux geeks, are they? I imagine someone blinking for a double click while trying to enter some text without looking at the editor! :))

HAR HAR good joke. (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 13 years ago | (#336230)

Which hurts your neck more, staring straight at a screen all day, never moving your head, only your eyes, or going outside and looking all around you, constantly moving your head as it was made to do? I could see your point if this were a VR helmet we were talking about and it was heavy.. but come on. Btw, I understand that you were making a joke.. it simply wasn't funny so I'm not treating it as such.

--

Why do you people post this useless crap first? NT (1)

Tar Ciryatan (412429) | more than 13 years ago | (#336233)

no text

hotkeys (1)

Tar Ciryatan (412429) | more than 13 years ago | (#336234)

and I quote, from naturalpoint.com... "Clicking is done with user defined Hot Keys, or Dwell Clicking for people with disabilities and others who want total hands free control. "

Re:Many rapid head movements? (1)

Tar Ciryatan (412429) | more than 13 years ago | (#336235)

Uh, when you look around on a monitor, do you regularly move your head extremely fast? No. same thing here. Its like using your finger (or even your head. the one company has a dot that doesi t too) to move the cursor around on your screen. it only opens stuff with a hotkey too

Re:hotkeys (more) (2)

warrenEBB (412477) | more than 13 years ago | (#336240)

ahoy, just wanted to point out that the software has an option called "key activated clicking," so that the cursor doesn't move unless you hold down a key. lots of other hot keys too. and the ability to add customized hotkeys... (ECT employee)
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