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India Plans Mars Mission in 2013

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the offplaneting-development-proved-disastrous dept.

Mars 171

New submitter susmit writes with news of India's new goal for launching a satellite to Mars in 2013. From the article: "India plans to launch a mission to Mars next year, putting an orbital probe around the red planet to study its climate and geology, top space department officials said on Thursday. ... A 320-tonne Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle rocket will be used to carry the orbiter spaceship, blasting off from the ISRO launch site at Sriharikota in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. Another senior official at ISRO, requesting anonymity, estimated the cost of the mission at 4.0-5.0 billion rupees ($70-90 million dollars)."

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171 comments

The Truth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876049)

Oursourced.

No electricity needed. (5, Funny)

dtml-try MyNick (453562) | about 2 years ago | (#40876051)

Sending a probe to Mars without any electricity, damn..... We're really lagging behind in terms of innovation :)

Re:No electricity needed. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876713)

Rage a war against them and stop them ... oh, you cannot because they also have nukes ... but at least name it something and put embargo on them like what is being done to a few others

Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budget. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876053)

Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budget. Now I want to know why it costs 20-50 times more in our developed western nations.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 2 years ago | (#40876081)

I refuse to believe they can deliver a mars orbiter for 80 million USD.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (5, Insightful)

Jeremi (14640) | about 2 years ago | (#40876171)

I refuse to believe they can deliver a mars orbiter for 80 million USD.

I'm skeptical as well. I'd love to see them succeed, but I think it's more likely this will turn out like the $45 Aakash tablet computer [slashdot.org] did. Often when the price tag on something seems to good to be true, it is.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 2 years ago | (#40876397)

India is actually one place tablet computers have persisted to be popular (and way before the iPad too), this one just got attention because of what it was and what its mission was at the time. And it is a dissapointment that it failed, but getting tablets at sub $50 price points in India is easy. If you want some yourself you can find them on alibaba.com, but don't count on finding many that are actually -made- in India.

Samples so nobody bitches:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/425363981/2012_PC_Tablet_7_inch_Android.html [alibaba.com]
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/586506340/7_inch_android_4_0_Rockchip.html [alibaba.com]

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876859)

"minimum order quantity - 500 pieces"

Suddenly those cheap tablets don't seem so appealing now.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

jep305 (1288822) | about 2 years ago | (#40876451)

"Often when the price tag on something seems to good to be true, it is."

Yeah, like offshored software development.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

murdocj (543661) | about 2 years ago | (#40876731)

"Often when the price tag on something seems to good to be true, it is."

Yeah, like offshored software development.

So true... you can hire people for 1/3rd of what you'd pay locally, and you end up getting what you pay for.

India - the land of big talk (3, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#40876525)

but I think it's more likely this will turn out like the $45 Aakash tablet computer did. Often when the price tag on something seems to good to be true, it is.

 
I've been watching India closely for the past 2 decades and the one conclusion that I got is that India likes to talk big, and after that, nothing
 
Of the numerous projects that they've announced, India achieved only one - the Chandrayaan moon satellite project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-1 [wikipedia.org]
 
As for the others, I'm not that confident that they can deliver, on time, and/or on budget
 

Re:India - the land of big talk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876975)

I'd like to see this too, considering how other projects are handled. Our bridges can cost more than '5 billion INR' [wikipedia.org] - started at 300 crore INR == 300,00,00,000 INR == 3 billion INR growing to 16 billion INR when completed behind schedule.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876289)

Lets not forget the success of the Lunar Probe (Chandrayaan-1) which cost about $90 million and was completed in 3 years time frame.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

murdocj (543661) | about 2 years ago | (#40876737)

Lets not forget the success of the Lunar Probe (Chandrayaan-1) which cost about $90 million and was completed in 3 years time frame.

Yes, but it's a few years later and they are talking about delivering a Mars probe for less money. Is that believable?

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876511)

It could probably be done with less, if someone would have the guts to try some alternate ways of putting things in orbit.

Still, it's kind of sad, that you see them on the news, with floods, hurricane damage, thousands dead, and various other problems, and once in a while something like this pops up ....

PS. Quote of the day delivered by Slashdot ;)
"Sacred cows make great hamburgers."

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876989)

alternate ways of putting things in orbit.

Harness the power of suicide bombers from neighboring muslim states, put them all under a platform under the vehicle and wait for the first one to detonate.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40877025)

Having been to India, I believe it. Jokes about outsourcing and bad call center service aside, the Indians are both extraordinarily resourceful and determined to advance from the developing world.

Why so cheap (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | about 2 years ago | (#40876245)

why it costs 20-50 times more ...

Space missions (and pretty much everything that a government spends money on) cost as much as you've got. If you have a $1Bn budget, they'll cost $1Bn. Whether you get $1Bn of value from spending that (or whether your $70M Mars shot will do what it's supposed to) is an altogether different question.

Re:Why so cheap (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#40876371)

can they get a meaningful amount of weight out of orbit and en route to mars for that money even?

this does sound awful lot like "hey there's a mars rover now getting a biiig biiig amount of press coverage, even more than our cricket team!. I know, let's announce one and watch money and publicity flow in!"

Re:Why so cheap (2)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#40876991)

can they get a meaningful amount of weight out of orbit and en route to mars for that money even?

Not right now, but it is not completely impossible. Right now raw material and fuel cost is below 1% of mission cost (often much much less), so we are nowhere near the physical limits on launch costs.

In fact, fuel is so cheap that if all a space elevator saves is fuel, it isn't worth building.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2, Insightful)

Grayhand (2610049) | about 2 years ago | (#40876279)

Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budget. Now I want to know why it costs 20-50 times more in our developed western nations.

Ah, because ours tend to actually make it to Mars. I can launch a Mars mission for a $1.98 it doesn't mean it'll actually reach Mars. The US spend billions reaching the Moon but other than one accident on the launch pad and one time we failed to land we made it there. It's one thing to say you are going to Mars but failing to achieve a lesser goal I have my doubts.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#40876357)

They're not going to put a lander down. Saves heaps of cost.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876387)

Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budget. Now I want to know why it costs 20-50 times more in our developed western nations.

Ah, because ours tend to actually make it to Mars. I can launch a Mars mission for a $1.98 it doesn't mean it'll actually reach Mars. The US spend billions reaching the Moon but other than one accident on the launch pad and one time we failed to land we made it there. It's one thing to say you are going to Mars but failing to achieve a lesser goal I have my doubts.

The quality control used is also designed for manned missions. I would not be surprised at all if it was possible to send probes that actually makes it to Mars for a fraction of the cost. Even if two thirds of them never makes it it is still a successful program if you can afford to make 5 of them for less of the cost.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876785)

"Ah, because ours tend to actually make it to Mars. I can launch a Mars mission for a $1.98 it doesn't mean it'll actually reach Mars. "

Sour grapes?

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40877015)

Sour grapes?

Yeah it's just another butt-hurt American who can't believe that some country he always thought of as technologically backward, because Hollywood always portrays the third world as dirt roads full of chickens, is actually capable of pulling something like this off. Space used to be the exclusive doman of America (fuck yeah!) since they "won" the space race. The only problem is they declared themselves the victors before the race had really even begun. Now as the tortoise overtakes the sleeping hare, he just tells himself that it doesn't matter, he reached that milepost 40 years ago, there's still plenty of time to sleep...

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2, Interesting)

LifeIs0x2A (2615925) | about 2 years ago | (#40876295)

Because it's probably gonna be more than that and then I'm quite sure something is gonna fail somwhere along the way. Just a few days ago one third of the population of India has been without electricty for a few hours. How about the government invest their money into a stable power grid first.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876299)

Will they be able to guarantee power for the launch facility ;-0

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876347)

Cheap labour buddy. And the rest of the world uses pirate softwares hence bringing the cost down :)

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (4, Insightful)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#40876353)

A large part of the cost may be due to accounting.

They use an existing rocket; zero development cost there. While Nasa would probably either develop a new rocket just for that mission, and put all the cost of development on the Mars mission, so they could re-use the rocket later at much lower cost for projects they don't have budget for.

And there are probably many more places were just accounting cost to one project or the other (little is developed exclusively for one project) can make or break a budget.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 2 years ago | (#40876363)

Because we actually make it there.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 2 years ago | (#40876575)

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#40877035)

Not always. There have been quite a few Mars orbiter failures. In fact I think the current rate is 50-50 for a Mars mission actually succeeding. Look up the "Mars Curse".

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | about 2 years ago | (#40876373)

I wonder how much the salaries are for highly trained scientists in India is compared to the US? I assume relatively a lot for India, but I also suspect they have a lot of highly trained people that work for peanuts compared to USD (a la outsourcing). How much does the actual hardware really cost?

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876379)

It doesn't cost 20-50 times as much, Mars Odyssey cost 3.6 times as much and after 11 years its still working fine. Don't turn Slashdot into a house of lie's young lady!

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

Findeton (818988) | about 2 years ago | (#40876627)

It will actually cost $500 million or more and will be launched one or two years after the deadline. Just sit back and watch it happen.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#40876711)

Maybe they've budgeted all the savings into tech support.

"I am very sorry sir, but I cannot continue helping you until you have first rebooted your orbiter."

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876717)

The estimated cost of Chandrayan-1 (the one involved in the discovery water on the moon) was 3.86 billion Indian rupees (US$90 million). [wikipedia.org]

The Question now is whether a similar mission to mars is possible in 4-5 billion rupees (70-90 million $).
Note that 4 billion Indian rupees today is only 70 million USD, because the Dollar has been pile-driving the rupee lately.

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (2)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 years ago | (#40876875)

Because we keep using our legacy contractors. You'll note that after Lockheed Martin's failed (miserably failed, I might add) x33, they weren't included, or even considered, for a Human rated space capsule this time around. While Boeing got a significant amount of funding for their CST-100 capsule, SpaceX got nearly the same funding as Boeing ($400+ million), which is a step in the right direction. The fact that SpaceX already has an unmanned rated capsule flying in space goes a long ways towards seeing their (much cheaper) hardware flying humans through the atmosphere and in to space... and back).

Re:Cheap $70-80 million if they stick to the budge (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#40876983)

Perhaps because NASA employees refuse to work for $2 a day?

Oh Great (1, Funny)

thewils (463314) | about 2 years ago | (#40876061)

There'll most likely be a corner shop there for the next mission.

Re:Oh Great (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876069)

Better that than a Wal-Mart.

Re:Oh Great (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#40877053)

A call center. Holding 8 minutes every sentence is going to be a pain...

I say good luck to them! (1)

FauxReal (653820) | about 2 years ago | (#40876075)

Hopefully that'll spur some congressional envy and NASA will get a bigger budget in 2014.

Re:I say good luck to them! (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 2 years ago | (#40876117)

An extra 80 million dollars?

Re:I say good luck to them! (2)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about 2 years ago | (#40876153)

An extra 80 million dollars?

Not after the pork gets handed out.

Obviously more important than.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876079)

Obviously far more important than, I dunno, the current drought conditions in India hurting food production, two power blackouts in a week with 100's of millions of people w/o power... but, apparently they have the money to build a mars probe.

Lots of dead indians floating in space (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876083)

when that piece of shit curry rocket explodes. lol
I am not to be breathing my friend, please revert and do the needful at the earliest as there is no oxygen in space!

Re:Lots of dead indians floating in space (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876133)

An orbiting can of frozen Apu curry-slurpee after a catastrophic depressurization.

Re:Lots of dead indians floating in space (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876253)

*achievement unlocked: the first to say curry in a thread about india*

other targets include saying

-rootkit in a sony thread
-you're holding it wrong in an apple thread
-flying chairs in a microsoft thread

Re:Lots of dead indians floating in space (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876423)

butthurt indian found
go back to fucking monkeys sanjay

Re:Lots of dead indians floating in space (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876761)

talk about missing the point, my dear

Re:Lots of dead indians floating in space (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876865)

Yes, the point was the other post also managed not only to include curry, it alse referenced Apu from "The Simpsons" *and* slurpees, further denigrating and stereotyping Indians.

He even added an oblique reference to "Spam in a can", as the early astronauts sometimes derisively referred to themselves, having no or very little actual involvement in "flying" the capsule...they were just along for the ride, like a slab of canned processed meat-like substance.

I think that one wins, as he obviously put much more thought and even some subtlety into the flamebait post.

Being Olympic season, I'd score the two thusly on general offensiveness:

1st AC flamebait "curry" post: +6.5

2nd AC flamebait "curry" "Apu" "Slurpee" post: +8.7

2nd AC is penalized 1 point for being second post.

Still a clear victory for the 2nd AC at a +7.7 to 1st AC's +6.5.

Looks like we have a Bronze and Silver, but still looking for a Gold medalist.
.

Cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876093)

Is 80 million a reasonable price for a mars satellite? The USA just spent 2.5 billion on a rover.

Pretend Poop as shooting stars? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876103)

While I applaud their sophisticated interest in space, they're forgetting their poop problem:
  http://current.com/shows/vanguard/92482205_worlds-toilet-crisis.htm

Re:Pretend Poop as shooting stars? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876259)

Maybe their working on shooting all their poop to space...

Re:Pretend Poop as shooting stars? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876271)

your link's not working, here a summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-bO47jNCeM

Wishful thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876129)

$70-90 million dollars??? Not bloody likely. For comparison, in my city, we recently renovated a football stadium, including a new roof. Cost? $500 million. There's a plan to build a six lane bridge across a large river. Cost? $1 billion. A waste treatment plant is being built at a cost of $750+ million Admittedly, these are North American prices, but I still have am extremely hard time believing that India, which doesn't have a very big space program, could send a vehicle to Mars (even a relatively simple orbiter) for the price that they're quoting.

Re:Wishful thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876589)

Don't forget that budget for worker's wages & social packages in India is basically neglectable...

Re:Wishful thinking (0)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 2 years ago | (#40876853)

Their lunar probe Chandrayaan-1 was $90 million - with 4 years since then they very well may have cut costs even further.

And you're talking about America, the land where subcontractors regularly charge $400 for a hammer and $10 per nail.

Neat! But maybe a bit overly spendy... but... (1)

Lancer873 (2602737) | about 2 years ago | (#40876161)

Certainly mixed feelings here. India's far from the poorest country out there and they deserve their accomplishments, but they also have many other areas they could be spending this money on. City renovation, more widespread education (including, maybe, some birth control), better infrastructure so as to facilitate more jobs, agricultural education to provide more sustainable food... Then again, perhaps this is just the sort of thing they need. Something inspiring and amazing to get the youth to aim higher, just like we did when we went to the moon. I'll certainly be paying attention to this, but beyond that I'm not sure I can pass any definitive judgement on this.

Re:Neat! But maybe a bit overly spendy... but... (0)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#40876651)

It's up to their people how they spend their money but I wonder how the people in Britain feel about that nearly 1 Billion in foreign aid they've been sending to India.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097264/Britain-WILL-giving-millions-aid-India-don-t-want-it.html [dailymail.co.uk]

I was surprised to find that the US doesn't provide any aid to India.

not gonna happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876167)

some over entitled asshole will just steal all the money. all india is good at is exploiting the poor. unless they can find a way to power the rocket with malnourished illiterate masses it's not going to go anywhere.

Re:not gonna happen (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876211)

India had the world's largest economy before the white racist bastards from the so-called-civilized world plundered and looted India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_India [wikipedia.org]

Re:not gonna happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876243)

so what? a few people lived in lavish palaces while the other billion people live in disgusting poverty. india is a sick society. the only hope was when the muslims invaded and tried to get your off your primitive bronze age idol worship. china is far more civilized with a strong value on education, equality and social harmony. meanwhile india is all about finding a way to get a few more pennies out of the slum dwellers outside their mansions. disgusting society. you should be ashamed.

Re:not gonna happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876487)

lol a bunch of shit skinned faggots worshipping elephants with 10 arms and living in their own shit and filth, aside from a brief period where England tried to clean you faggots up. The second you got your freedom you went right back to being filthy shit covered monkeys living in your own feces.

nice try Rajiv, your culture...it stinks!

Re:not gonna happen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876553)

Your time is over you bloody idiot looking at the way the countries of Europe are out with their begging bowls. You motherfuckers have looted the whole world from Africa to Asia to Americas. You bastands have killed and destroyed locals culture in the name of fucking enlightenment. But ...your time is up. Anyway, you assclowns should know it's better than worshipping a eunuch who was royally fucked by the jews and hauled over the wood.

Sorry Peter...the clock is ticking ...

Re:not gonna happen (0)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 2 years ago | (#40876583)

The colonial occupation was long before Indians ruined their own country by breeding like rabbits. Some things you just cannot blame on colonialism.

Re:not gonna happen (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#40877089)

Blah blah blah you're falling into the black man's trap. Do not come here and tell me that Germany, which has been completely destroyed and bombed not once but TWICE within 50 years can turn around and become a world power again, but poor old India and poor old Africa, they just can't make it because of evil "whitey". Japan was obliterated in the second world war. Japan has not had many natural resources for hundreds of years now. They have absolutely no oil. Yet somehow they seem to dominate.

So go ahead and keep telling yourself it's other people's fault. That will not change the fact that it's your own society's fault and until you fix those social problems, you will never get ahead.

Re:not gonna happen (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#40877069)

Exploiting the poor is nothing new. It's pretty much what happens to poor people everywhere. Once could even go as far as to say that exploiting is what poor people are for. Be it for doing the back-breaking manual labor for a pittance or for convincing into putting their pennies into some "scheme" that doesn't exactly do - when you read the fine print - what they think it does, poor people fall for it every time. All over the world. How much did you pay in credit card fees, bank fees and interest penalties this month?

Just different countries have different definitions of "poor". A "poor" person in the US probably has an ancient car. Certainly has a TV. Certainly has some sort of roof over their head, even if it's a single-wide trailer. A poor person in latin america doesn't have a car, he walks or takes the bus. He does have a TV though, and a cell phone. I'm not so sure about India - probably no TV. But wait until the standard of living improves - you are going to sell a butt-load of TV's and cell phones... and exploit the poor. They will have less money, but they will have a cell phone (and a bill to pay) and a TV to watch.

Social advance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876193)

While their space program it's all good, they forget that in many cities don't have sewage and people defecate anywhere in the streets wich seems to me a much important priority .....

somebody stop them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876205)

we know already what will happen:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101458/plotsummary

Best of luck to them. (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | about 2 years ago | (#40876215)

I didn't know that one could even think about thinking of doing something in aerospace when you're only given 1-2 years.

with all that money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876231)

With all that money spent on Indian space program they should better fix their social problems first - maybe half of their population could eat a year for that money.
Or spend it in clearing your already devastated environment.

People are living like 3th world and the governent has nothing better to do than hurling their money into space, showing off their undernourished muscles, tstststs.

India as an advanced country? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876267)

And in the meantime, they can't keep the electricity flowing across their country, and have no decent sewage system for 80% of their citizens.

Something makes me think they should be paying a bit more attention to these issues....

Re:India as an advanced country? (1)

bittersdotter (2598135) | about 2 years ago | (#40876435)

On the other hand, the argument is presumably that a mission to Mars is probably more of an inspirational drive for upcoming scientists and engineers than building a boring old sewage system. If the figure quoted is truly correct, it's probably worth risking what is in the order of ~0.01% of GDP on something likely to spur a new generation of scientists and engineers and hence economic growth in the long term.

Re:India as an advanced country? (2)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 2 years ago | (#40876445)

While you are correct you must also realize that rockets and outer space are big business and the scientific knowledge and engineering developments that come out of engineering and re-engineering the technology are very very valuable things. If they can get a mars probe up successfully at that price point they'll be securing a place for themselves in space business and technology for the next 20 years.

And from another angle you must realize rural India isn't going to get modernized without massive financial stiumuls - and yet the only things that India currently makes money off of don't have great future prospects. Hopefully this will be a good economic stimulus and technological boon for them.

Re:India as an advanced country? (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 2 years ago | (#40876857)

But they do get massive financial stimulus - from other countries in aid. Of course, most of that goes in someone's pocket [dailymail.co.uk] and not to the rural poor who need it. This is the great scandal of India, corruption is so rife its untrue.

$80m is peanuts to them, when a leading industrialist is currently building a 27-story house [forbes.com] for himself, his wife and 3 kids, so I guess 2 stories for the servants, and 5 each. How will they cope?!

Re:India as an advanced country? (1)

bazorg (911295) | about 2 years ago | (#40876507)

I kind of suspect that the 2013 Mars missions was something they have been planning for a while, not as a week-long project that was about to be presented to the press when there was a major power failure. There's a lot of people in India, I'm sure they are not all involved in doing the same thing as a 1 000 000 000 people team...

Re:India as an advanced country? (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | about 2 years ago | (#40876571)

yeah, and a paltry $80 million is going to fix all those problems, right?

Re:India as an advanced country? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876615)

What if the USA spent the money they now throw away on warfare on useful things like maintaining their infrastructure and creating a good health insurance service?
Then they would not even have to cut away the space program.

yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876303)

I really love the indian space program, so incredibly helpful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Re:yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876349)

oh, and just in case of doubt, this is how Indian economics are really helping out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M9NGyDfbXI

Another scam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876311)

I am sure it wud be another scam

India plans moon mission (2, Funny)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#40876315)

So am I.

Impressive attempt (0)

Grayhand (2610049) | about 2 years ago | (#40876317)

But using Bhut Jolokia hot peppers as the fuel I have my doubts. Even with over a million Scoville rating I don't believe that they'll achieve low Earth orbit let alone Mars. Their program title "Asses of fire" does have a heroic ring to it. I do hope that even if the mission fails a new hybrid hot pepper will provide the thrust needed to reach Mars so India may land on Mars and be the first curry powered nation to break the Earthly bonds and land another planet!

Wrong project (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876341)

I'm not the one to usually complain about expensive science endeavors while other societal problems go unresolved. But I have visited India and seen the misery -- it's nauseating. What's more nauseating is how the local middle-class doesn't find it nauseating. They are seemingly completely untouched by the plight of the children they see every day on their commute.

What a soulless nation. What is needed is a national program to eradicate poverty.

Re:Wrong project (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | about 2 years ago | (#40876539)

Oh yes and that can be easily done with all those funds coming from Indias income from exports of incandescent and flourescent light bulbs. Oh, what? LED you say? ... hmm, looks like India needs something else. What do all the successfull countries make their money off of? Oh yes, technology! What's a good program to develop a lot of technology and get a lot of international attention? Space!

India does need a national program to end poverty, but they also need a national program that will secure the funds to do so. I sincerely hope that this will be one of those programs, and anxiously await the residual technologies that could improve space travel and human life across the world.

Re:Wrong project (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876601)

yes but india does not even provide massive swaths of people a basic education. part of the reason china has advanced so fast is because even peasants in a remote backwater learn reading and math and the best ones can get to the universities. in india millions of people can't even read! i've seen them in america too. people who's wives can't even add and subtract, that would be embarrassing to like 90% of the world, even muslims would cringe at that, but for indian culture it's no problem. sure, the people promoting h1bs like you to think everybody in india has a phd in computer science but the reality is millions of people in india can't even read.

Re:Wrong project (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 2 years ago | (#40876605)

It is easy to eradicate poverty. They just need to stop breeding like rabbits and the problem will go away within 30 years.

Re:Wrong project (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876973)

Poverty didn't disappear with that "program" anywhere. It's the reverse that happened: as poverty receded, birth rates started to come down.

The space program once united Americans behind a common banner. The Americans were shamed by the successes of the Soviet Union. The vehicle that rallied the Americans and pulled the challenging program through was the Federal Government. Only a functional government can work life-changing miracles like that.

What India needs is a similar shame felt by the middle-class for the poverty of their nation. So far the Indians have congratulated themselves for being less badly off than the Pakistanis and the Bangladeshis. But time has come to shine the light to the Indians and make them compare themselves with the Europeans or the Chinese. While Beijing has been elevating hundreds of millions of people from destitution, what is New Delhi doing apart from lining their pockets?

Taj Mahal, the atom bomb, the Mars mission my ass. What about the poor, India?

False alarm people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876361)

This is all about the new Bollywood movie where 3 Indian bachelors travel to Mars to find true love.

Let my speculate, it won't happen. (1)

tsahi (1798230) | about 2 years ago | (#40876461)

This budget is hardly enough to launch a small research satellite around Earth. To launch a vehicle to Mars which will actually be useful, they need at least something in the order of $200M. That's the experience of other nations who have launched to Mars. In addition, It takes at least about five years to design and construct such a vehicle. To do it in less than two years is a sure recipe to failure.

Re:Let my speculate, it won't happen. (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | about 2 years ago | (#40876579)

This budget is hardly enough to launch a small research satellite around Earth.

this is wrong. isro launched a moon satellite in 90 million usd. but i do agree that they will spend at leats 200mil for a mars mission. as with all government agency plans, the price goes up quite rapidly after the project is approved.
also, nasa's incompetency does not indicate that it will take every other country 5 years to design and fabricate a mars orbiter.

Let's hope they don't get a power cut... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876547)

...during countdown to launch.

and the UK pay for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876795)

The UK still gives India £280m a year in aid. Fucking Ridiculous

I've got high hopes for them... (3, Funny)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#40876829)

Unlike some other counties, they know how to use the metric system. ;)

(j/k)

Only $90 000 000 for a Mars mission? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40876861)

Is that some sort of Flintstones' rocket technology? I do not believe in this. Indians won't be able to build necessary western technologies for indian prices (cheap), they will still need certain critical parts purchased from the West, paid in western prices (high). Or NASA does something wrong with their Mars missions (billions of $s).

So, Indians are as dumb as Americans? (-1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 2 years ago | (#40876945)

We have space travel. We can:
1) Put up a satellite based internet system to provide cheap universal, high speed internet throughout the region
2) Develop significant space based power platform to address our countries power needs
3) Become the world's biggest manufacturer of exotic, zero-g materials.
4) Put up a sun shield to demonstrate a reversible planetary cooling system.

5) Take an expensive trip to Mars, where there's .... NOTHING! Whee! I vote for number 5. Break out the drinks!

American dimwits took us to the moon where there's .... NOTHING! At least the Russians are smart enough to use their space program to make money.

100th Post (beat that 1st posers) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40877121)

Ha Ha HA

I've seen their software development process - they haven't a chance

Ha Ha HA

CAPTCHA = logician

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