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Damn Small Linux Rises From the Dead With a 4.11 RC1 Release

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the sweet-zombie-tux dept.

Linux 101

An anonymous reader writes "Damn Small Linux is back from the dead, with a version 4.11 RC1 release announcement at Distrowatch and another at the DSL Forums! Quoting: 'Here is the first release candidate for Damn Small Linux (DSL) 4.11. The changes in this release are a step toward making DSL a friendly alternative for older hardware. I've fixed some bugs, updated some applications, and replaced others. Applications: updated JWM to 2.1.0 (now supports rounding); updated Dillo to 3.0.2 (much improves CSS support); added XChat 1.8.9; added sic 1.1 IRC client; added XCalc-color. Modified desktop functionality: it is now possible to switch between JWM and Fluxbox without shutting down X; added menu items to switch between DFM and xtdesk icon engines or use none at all." Here's the download page."

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Acronyms overloading. (5, Insightful)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883589)

So now again my example of why it should be allowed to repeat the last word of the acronym expanded, is relevant: "ATM machine is running DSL Linux, and is connected over ATM mode DSL line".

Re:Acronyms overloading. (1)

agrif (960591) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883687)

The DSL Linux CD disk is read by a LASER radiation beam.

I initially wrote this to be facetious but laser radiation beam actually sounds cool.

Re:Acronyms overloading. (1, Funny)

virb67 (1771270) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883761)

"laser radiation beam" may sound cool, but it's also redundant.

Re:Acronyms overloading. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883903)

'Light amplification by simulation emission of radiation' radiation beam .

Re:Acronyms overloading. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884271)

"laser radiation beam" may sound cool, but it's also redundant.

I think that was the point. De-acronymizing the OP, one obtains:

The Damn Small Linux Linux compact disk disk is read by a light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation radiation beam.

Sincerely,
The Department of Redundancy Department

Re:Acronyms overloading. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40885259)

It's not redundant. LASER is a method. LASER=Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Strictly speaking, a LASER radiation beam is a radiation beam which is created through light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation. If you use laser as a name for a device, it's not an acronym. Then a laser radiation beam is the beam of radiation emitted by the laser. If you want to be a pedant, be pedantic.

Re:Acronyms overloading. (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883809)

It can get worse; much worse. I once read a post on Usenet where somebody reported saying, "ATM the ATM is off the ATM."

Re:Acronyms overloading. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40886149)

It is unnecessary and stupid if you are a reasonably intelligent person who can understand context.

If you have difficulty with those, I'd hate to see what kind of troubles "there", "their" and "they're" pose for you in every day speech.

Re:Acronyms overloading. (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year and a half ago | (#40893909)

A reasonably intelligent person would not expect everyone to guess the same context, because he considers the possibility that the listener may be aware of multiple plausibly applicable contexts.

An idiot, on the other hand, would expect that everyone is just as ignorant about possible other meanings of the acronyms as he is.

Re:Acronyms overloading. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40901547)

You're a fucking moron. How do you even function in society?

Re:Acronyms overloading. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40890165)

But to use it you need to enter your personal PIN number.

What is the "best" small linux distro , and why ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883613)

Looking into getting a small distro for old hardware (2002). So many choices, so little time. Seems like puppy is the favorite ?

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (5, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883651)

Try both Puppy and Damn Small. I keep a copy of Damn Small in my CD wallet (not every PC boots reliably off USB) for troubleshooting since it's light and fast even on weak systems.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884091)

Tinycore

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884363)

Seconded. Tinycore is freaking amazing.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40886175)

Just took a look. Why is Tiny Core so ugly? I mean what's up with the hideous text and menus? The UI looks worse than DOS Shell even.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

WorBlux (1751716) | about a year and a half ago | (#40901713)

Because the entire system is 10MB. What do you expect, an HD wallpaper?

Tomsrtbt (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about a year and a half ago | (#40887189)

Hey, if DSL can get updated, why not Toms?

I mean, yeah, we don't need to fit in a floppy any more, but how would you like to have an OS that fits entirely in on-die cache?

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about a year and a half ago | (#40951047)

Puppy is great for running off a permanent live USB. Although to be honest I've lost track of the development of it somewhat- last time I downloaded a new version of it I felt like I was using a completely different distro to how it was originally...

Not necessarily a bad thing, but I'd be interested to hear from a more regular user on what's changed over the years.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883781)

debian, its got the utilities and small resource footprint you want, unlike puppy you can use apt-get anydamn thing you want, puppy is really for nerds who have too much time on their hands to fuck around with a nerd system.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (4, Interesting)

jma05 (897351) | about a year and a half ago | (#40885033)

Good point. DSL was light, but also felt very clunky: UI and to install extra software. I wanted something with the backing of a standard package repository.

An year or two ago, I was looking for a light Linux to run in a VM and was balancing usability with RAM usage. Here are my numbers from some old notes. Unless specified, the numbers are for RAM usage at login to Desktop at default config (I might have removed some apps I considered non-essential - I don't recall).

Of course, these are not exactly scientific. Was sshd running for Arch?, I didn't note down. The distro version numbers were also not noted, but all distros were roughly from 1.5 years ago. They were more for getting ballpark estimates. AFAI-recall, they were all booted in a 256 MB VM (Virtualbox).

Lubuntu - 85 MB
Fluxbuntu 48 MB (31 MB without X)
Lubuntu 64 MB (41 MB without X)

Ubuntu Server 10.04 without servers and X - 145 MB (did not expect this)
Ubuntu Mint (Gloria) 144 MB
Debian Mint 138 MB

ULite Desktop - 54 MB (17 MB without X)
ULite Desktop without GDM - 26 MB

Non-Debian (without X)
Suse in light server config - 13 MB (incl sshd, 10 MB without)
Arch - 14 MB

So, Suse took the light-weight crown for RAM usage at terminal boot. For me though, Lubuntu was the sweet-spot at that time.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

WorBlux (1751716) | about a year and a half ago | (#40901739)

DSL is still on the 2.4 kernel. Meant to run bare metal on very old systems where some hardware doesn't have drivers in the 2.6 series.

or ubuntu (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year and a half ago | (#40886519)

ubuntu is almost the same thing as debian, similar selection of software, same text-mode installer - which you want to be using on an old PC, giving you a text-only installation that you supplement by apt-getting a desktop or window manager.

ubuntu mainly gives you a fresh firefox over debian ; if you're going to run firefox then the latest one will use less memory and cpu than an old version. debian may be better if this is not a big concern and you like doing in-place upgrades every two-three years. or you could be using debian testing or sid but only nerds do that.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883821)

Heck, I've run Ubuntu on machines from 2000.
Arch Linux is pretty lean and can be configured to your liking. Arch is pretty loyal to the KISS principle too. For distros, Arch is my favorite and they arguably have the best documentation available.
If 762MB is not too large, you could try TAILS Linux, which is a privacy-oriented distro based on (I think) Ubuntu, and is preconfigured to run all protocols through the TOR proxy. Of course, for that reason, I'd not trust the security of it. It's pretty cool though; I have TAILS on a little USB keychain drive and use it on occasion. Wouldn't use it for online-banking or anything though. If you are super paranoid, there's even TinfoilHat Linux, but you've given no indication of such. I think DSL should work quite well and see reason not to try it.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884331)

Arch is only available for i686 and x86_64. Most older computers are i386 so Arch won't work for DSL's target (old hardware).

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year and a half ago | (#40885855)

Guess that depends on your definition of old. I hope very few people are still running Pentiums I's and older.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year and a half ago | (#40886431)

but people may run an old VIA C3 or some other outlier CPU, which would be only i586 or i486.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

spauldo (118058) | about a year and a half ago | (#40886949)

I was, until yesterday.

A few years ago I aquired a ton of old HP Vectras that were all Pentium 1 machines, except for one 486 that I put DOS and Windows 3.11 on (just for fun - I had a few floppies with Windows games on them). I've only got a couple left.

The nice thing about them is that they still use lead-based solder, so there's no problem with tin wiskers shorting out the system after a few years. I've got a crate of old, small hard drives, and a lot of them still work just fine (I'm talking between 100MB and 2GB here).

Anyway, they make great firewalls, DNS/DHCP servers, IRC servers, etc. for small networks. Yesterday I replaced my firewall (the last Vectra on my network) with a diskless OpenBSD install on a Mini-ITX system. I still keep the Vectra in the server cabinet in case something goes wrong, though.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40890837)

they make great firewalls, DNS/DHCP servers, IRC servers, etc. for small networks

Why not just use a modern $250 nettop PC for those things and more? You'd make back the money in power savings in no time.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

spauldo (118058) | about a year and a half ago | (#40899029)

Because at the time I built the firewall, such things didn't exist.

I used that machine as a firewall for about a decade (it was already seven years old at that time). That $250 nettop PC probably wouldn't still be running after that long. Yeah, I upgraded and reinstalled the software a few times, but that machine served me well and like I said, I keep it as a backup firewall.

Besides, that Vectra has a 120W power supply in it, and was cooled by the power supply fan rather than its own processor fan. Pentium I machines weren't power hogs compared to modern desktops. People seem to forget how computer power requirements jumped up during the PIII and PIV era.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40901551)

You are a fucking liar and an idiot. All Pentiums used CPU fans and they all consume a lot more power than an Atom CPU.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

spauldo (118058) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902517)

Really?

This [recycledgoods.com] is the power supply for a Vectra. This particular one is 100W, and by the date I'd guess it was for a 486. Most of the ones I had were 120W, manufactured in 1996, and ran Pentiums.

Note the odd shape? That little slanted area on the bottom of it is where the fan is. It blew onto the processor's heat sink. Here [recycledgoods.com] is another picture, where you can see that fan.

Here [flickr.com] is a picture of a 486 Vectra's processor. The Pentium models were very similar, and had no dedicated processor fan.

You don't know what you're talking about, and my guess is that you were in diapers when these machines were made. Go back to your tinker toys, little AC - the adults are talking.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (5, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884425)

But that brings up something I've been wondering for awhile which is this....at what point would it be better to toss the hardware? I mean you can buy one of those E350 based kits for less than $150 and that thing takes less than 18w under load and idles in the mid single digits, I don't even remember what the Pi runs but its a crazy small number, so at what point does that old hardware become too much of a piggie to be worth keeping?

Lets face it folks, while you may see the ancient P2 or P3 around occasionally most of those died ages ago thanks to the cheap caps they used back then so what I see the most of, and by most of i mean fricking insane amounts of, is those damned Pentium 4s. Those P4s frankly were NEVER good on power and just cranked the living shit out of the heat, so would it be better to keep it, thus paying the increased electricity and cooling, or just get something cheap that doesn't blow through power like crap through a goose?

I know that while I've got a couple of P4s waiting on me to refurb at the shop, and probably another good half dozen or more gonna be given to me free by the super for parts or refurbing, the only older machine I've kept is a 2004 Sempron a customer traded in that frankly makes a great nettop at the shop. Its quiet, uses maybe 35w on average, and puts out hardly any heat at all. while that Pentium d I have in the corner may run rings around it it runs rings around my AC as well.

So at what point is it better to dump? I hate as much as the rest to toss working gear, just about to carry a 1.8GHz P4 to the dumpster because i can't think of a damned thing to do with it and I hate tossing working machines like that, but at what point are you blowing through more in power and cooling than you'd save by keeping?

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (3, Informative)

Psicopatico (1005433) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884713)

I asked my self the same things aswell, and here's some simple math:
- how much is the impact on your elec bill?
- how many years does it take to break even the upfront cost of the newer but less electricity demanding hardware?

From there, it's your choice.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40885321)

There are 8.7 kilohours per year. Multiply by average power consumption and price per kWh and you have your yearly impact on the electricity bill. 40W@$0.2/kWh costs $70 per year, so those old Pentium4s really aren't cost effective (unless you're living in a cold climate and the rest of your heating is also electric, in which case you have bigger fish to fry.)

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884761)

That's the nature of computers. They advance much, much faster than other types of electronics. The most important thing is to keep proper recycling going on.

On the other hand, hardware released just after P4 is not in that dire situation at all. Core Duo stuff (2006 or so) are still fine for basic desktops.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#40889371)

Oh I agree, I have a couple of Athlon X2s from that period and they are just fine when it comes to power, i also hung onto that Sempron even though its even older because not only is it low power but if i want to lower the power even more i can pick up a socket 754 Athlon mobile for less than $30 that will drop right in and give me more performance while dropping the idle even lower but as long as the Sempron is doing the job i don't see the point.

But those P4s, especially the Prescott and later, were power hogs, like an old V8 muscle car. I have a couple of Prescott boards sitting in the closet as well as a Cedar Mill with HT sitting in the drawer and you just would not believe the amount of heat those suckers belch out, nor how much juice they pull.

So while I have no problem refurbing those units for the poor, that frankly probably couldn't afford a PC at all if I didn't sell those P4s cheap, for someone that already has a computer I have to wonder about the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. I mean sure socket 775s are cheap as dirt and just as common, and there are places selling Pentium Ds for less than $20 thus making it the cheapest dual cores you can get, I really have to wonder if having something that hot and power hungry, even if given it free, would be worth having.

All i know is my boys were gaming on a couple of Pentium Ds with 19 inch CRTs and when I swapped those out for a Phenom II Quad and Phenom II Hexa with 22 inch LCDs their power usage went WAAAAY the hell down, even those we are talking about doubling and tripling the cores and upgrading them from 7600GTs to HD4850s. The power difference was just incredible and really made me rethink the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. Now the only netburst in our family is a little 2.3GHz Celeron that my mom plays her match 3 games on and as soon as another cheap Athlon crosses my desk I'll be selling the Celeron and giving her the AMD.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884807)

It's usually about having something that will work on other people's old hardware so whether to toss or not is somebody else's problem.
I get your point though, I've got half a rack full of 32 bit machines that haven't even been turned on for a couple of years at least because just about everything newer at any speed uses less power and produces less heat.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (4, Insightful)

bcrowell (177657) | about a year and a half ago | (#40886879)

But that brings up something I've been wondering for awhile which is this....at what point would it be better to toss the hardware? I mean you can buy one of those E350 based kits for less than $150

It sounds like you have applications such as networked storage or firewall boxes in mind, but for desktop use, you can can actually get quite nice used desktop hardware for less than $150 -- often less than half that. For about 8 years now, I've been buying cheap machines, putting linux on them, and putting them in my physics lab for my students to use. For a while I was going to garage sales, Salvation Army, and shops that sold used boxes. But recently I've found that really nice hardware is becoming available on ebay at very reasonable prices. Here are some examples of some recent machines I've bought:

  HP Pavilion Desktop D4100Y Pentium D 2.80 GHz 1 GB Memory /PC2-3200, $40+$23 shipping

HP XW4400 Workstation Intel Core 2 DUO E6300 1.86GHz 250GB 1GB CD-RW/ DVD, $90+$24 shipping

HP Compaq D330 uT Intel Pentium 4 2.66GHZ 80GB HDD 1GB DDR Desktop PC, $30+$23 shipping

Gateway GT5637E AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 160GB HDD 2GB DDR2 CD-RW/ DVD-RW, $110+$20 shipping

Even with shipping, it's a lot less money than you'd pay locally for the same hardware. It's also much less work to find it, and it's not in need of as many upgrades as the kind of stuff you find at garage sales, etc., where many machines have no CD drive, no ethernet, or not enough memory.

I typically install ubuntu and set them up with xfce as the default wm. Performance is fine.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#40889423)

Dude while I appreciate you trying to help kids you might want to stay away from the P4s and Pentium Ds. Just pick up a kill-a-watt and slap it on one of those to find out why, they belch heat and suck juice like a 70s Monte Carlo with bad rings.

The original Core chips, pretty much all the Athlons and Phenoms were MUCH better about power and can be found just as cheaply if you look around and any of the AM2 sockets can have the chip swapped for one of the low power variants in less than 10 minutes and places like Starmicro sells those for less than $50.

So remember its not just about being cheap to buy, its also how cheap it is to run. The entire netburst era was "Give it MOAR POWER!!" and by the time you got to the Pentium D you could fry eggs on the chips for all the wasted power. that equals not only more power going through the machine, but more AC you are gonna need to keep that lab cool and that adds up if you are not in a northern climate.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

bcrowell (177657) | about a year and a half ago | (#40891259)

You raise an interesting point, but the numbers don't seem to bear you out. The local cost of electricity is 19 cents per kilowatt-hour. These machines are typically powered on for maybe 10 hours a week, which is about a 5% duty cycle. At 50 W, the electricity cost for a year of use comes out to be about $4. To pay back the cost of a $50 power-saving upgrade, as you suggest, would take decades, which is much longer than these things will be in use. (My time is also worth something to me, so there's no way I would replace all these CPUs.)

When using old hardware, a better thing to focus on is usually replacing CRTs with LCDs. Monitors last much longer than computers and obsolesce much more slowly. People also usually appreciate the extra desk space they get with an LCD.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#40895419)

But you missed the point which is WHY pay that extra $4 when you don't have to? As the list showed you can get Athlon X2s and first gen cores for the same price and they suck a hell of a lot less juice and don't belch out heat.

So its not like its pay $x or pay $x+y, its pay $x for a power piggie or pay $x for a non piggie, why pay for the piggie?

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (2)

spauldo (118058) | about a year and a half ago | (#40887059)

Old hardware is only useful because it's cheap (or often free) and it's fun, if that's your thing.

I've got a few old Sparcstation 20s that I play around with. Why? They're fun. Or at least they were, before Oracle mucked about with docs.sun.com.

I've got some old Pentium I machines that I've used as small network servers and firewalls. As of yesterday, I'm on all modern (and much more energy efficient) machines, but a Pentium I will serve DHCP just as well as an i7. I used to keep a few old HP Vectras around to act as a "network in a box" - firewall and DNS/DHCP - to install on networks when a family member wanted additional computers. I don't bother anymore, since home routers are the default these days.

My advice? Take the old stuff you don't need and put them outside where they can be seen - preferably under an awning or something to protect them from the weather. I got my start on hardware when a friend of mine saw an old guy throwing away a shed full of 8088 and 286 class machines - you never know if a pickup truck full of Pentium 4s is all a prospective geek needs to kickstart his hobby. If no one claims them in a week, recycle them.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

EETech1 (1179269) | about a year and a half ago | (#40888653)

Be sure to wipe them, and install Ubuntu or your favorite distro, so when they pick it up, take it home and fire it up, it just works. I've had people stop back and ask what it was I left on the computer I threw out, and could I install it in their dying XP box.

Spread the love!

Cheers!

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (2)

mark_osmd (812581) | about a year and a half ago | (#40887381)

Or don't take it to the dumpster, BestBuy takes old hardware off your hands for free and that way it gets properly recycled instead of leaking toxic metals in a dump somwhere

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40889589)

People still toss computers in dumpsters? It's not really illegal, but it is kind of a dick move. There is a booming business in recycling metals happening everywhere in the country.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (2)

evilviper (135110) | about a year and a half ago | (#40890093)

So at what point is it better to dump?

The point at which eliminating your wait time for whatever slow application (usually Firefox...), is worth the sale price of new hardware, plus the time and effort to setup that new system.

Power is cheap, and old hardware is much lower power than people expect, due to being single-core and having low-power GPUs and North/Southbridges. I still have a 2.4GHz P4 system up and running in an office... It draws all of 40w at idle, which means operating costs are just a few cents a day at worst, and probably less than the monitor it's hooked up to.

Setup issues can be more significant than price. Upgrading from 32 to 64-bit can be a much, much bigger hassle than just transferring your data over, and dealing with issues like the new system not handling Suspend / Resume properly can mean your NEW system is suddenly the power-hog.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40897245)

So at what point is it better to dump? I hate as much as the rest to toss working gear, just about to carry a 1.8GHz P4 to the dumpster because i can't think of a damned thing to do with it and I hate tossing working machines like that, but at what point are you blowing through more in power and cooling than you'd save by keeping?

Instead of snobbishly throwing away older hardware, why not instead either give it to your local computers-for-low-income-people non-profit, or recycle it? Or are you just too damned cool to act responsibly?

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

cynyr (703126) | about a year and a half ago | (#40916555)

The PI doesn't have the IO to compete with a E350. There is no SATA, dual gigabit (or 10/100 for that mater), PCI-E, or PCI on the PI.

I keep trying to figure out what i would do with a PI, but even as a media center it doesn't have enough hardware decode codec support and I would have to re-rip all of my dvd rips that are set up for the PS3.

If i wanted a NAS I could go This route [willudesign.com] or similar in a stock case. A PI as a fun nettop type toy sure, you know maybe it could save me a bunch of power when I'm just reading /.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883885)

Also, I forgot to mention what might be obvious. A primary consideration when looking for a clean and unbloated setup is your desktop/window manager. Many distros could be slimmed down by using something like LXDE, XFCE, Openbox, Awesome, or even Mate. If you don't need a digital Cirque du Soleil, you can probably avoid KDE and Gnome. I was pretty impressed by XFCE on Arch.
And to correct the typo in my last sentence from the other comment; I see no reason not to try DSL Linux.

Re:What is the "best" small linux distro , and why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884377)

These guys supposedly strive for freedom for older hardware http://www.connochaetos.org/ [connochaetos.org] although the opinions of some of the community and dev team are fairly strange, be warned.

Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883627)

Super speed on super slow computers.

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (-1, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883783)

linux requires a mmu retard, minimum 386, joke = fail

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883803)

Harsh words. And wrong. uclinux does not require an mmu.

Nasty personal attack for no fucking reason = fail.

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883827)

were talking about linux on pc's, not some toy want- to-be workalike

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883995)

You might want to reread your history.
Limitation of software to a platform is the exact reason Linux exists today.

There are plenty of enthusiasts who want to get things working on older hardware, just for fun.
If the dreams, hopes and jokes of such people offends you enough to make such harsh remarks, then maybe you should look at yourself, because a heart this cold will only bring you pain.

I wish you well.

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884109)

yea ok whatever you want to state, heres the deal, I have linux on a 4mb 386, the lowest of the low on x86, I have it on a motorola 68030, the lowest of the low on that side of the coin. I have used uCLinux and sorry, its a very resource heavy slow want-to-be linux like command shell, bad RTOS that really serves no other reason but to bloat system requirements, and cost, to enable piss poor performance.

"because a heart this cold will only bring you pain."

no being a realistic person has brought me a life where I am happy, and not one of dying alone, and broken chasing unicorns that never existed ... thanks.

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40886215)

For someone who professes to be happy, you're evidently quite hate-filled and aggressive. The sooner you stop living in denial and start paying attention to whatever it is that is making you so angry the sooner you can actually have a chance of acheiving genuine happiness. Whatever it is, it's eating you up inside and you don't realise it.

Re:Awesome! Cluster computing on an 8088 (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884569)

That's my project for the next few weeks. I managed to get a stack of old Celeron machines for ten quid each. Six of them. So I shall learn how to set up a beowolf cluster with LinuxPMI. If it works, I'll look into finding new processors that actually outperform an abacus. I intend to use it for developing my interest in signal processing and compression.

TI83 (4, Interesting)

Dwedit (232252) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883661)

I just noticed that this distro uses JWM, which was written by legendary TI-83 programmer Joe Wingbermuehle [ticalc.org] . If you went to high school in 1998-2002 and had a TI83 or TI83+, you might have had some of his programs, such as the Ion assembly shell, Boxworld, Breakout, Diamonds, Dstar, Landmine, or Jezzball.

Re:TI83 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883873)

My word. His stuff kept me occupied for hours when I should have been paying attention in calculus.

Re:TI83 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884193)

Hi Joe!
Good to see your still kicking.

moved on (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883759)

Anti-X Linux, have it on a 150Mhz Pentium, DSL had some advantages like running on a 8 meg machine (with no use of X of course) and the small size, but hell its been long enough where I had to move on from DSL, and honestly its never really been a great or polished system. Just a fuckton of basic utilitarian things crammed on a disk with a janky UI, and none of the software I would actually use.

Re:moved on (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883837)

150Mhz Pentium? From the horse's mouth [mepis.org] ,

It should run on most computers, ranging from 64MB old PII 266 systems with pre-configured 128MB swap to the latest powerful boxes. 128MB RAM is recommended minimum for antiX. The installer needs minimum 2.2GB hard disk size. antiX can also be used as a fast-booting rescue cd.

For the curious, here's a recent review [blogspot.ca] . And the FAQ. [sblinux.org]

Disclaimer: I don't know /why/ you'd want to run Linux on a P1, but whatever turns your crank I guess. The misery of dropped BIOS & ethernet card support finally did me in. Plus none of it ever works slighly as well as W98SE.

Flame me to a crisp if you like, but on that hardware it's the kickass Desktop. I still use it for vintage gaming. (YMMV: you have to know how to make 98 work well. Most don't, and suffer proportionately.)

Re:moved on (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883915)

http://antix.freeforums.org/post23270.html#p23270 [freeforums.org]

I do beleive I have the lowest powered machine running it known to the community, it takes its sweet ass time to start up, but once your in and loaded its actually quite responsive.

Re:moved on (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40887017)

Not so sure this is the lowest powered machine.
Where powered = watts used

Your's can't be since my raqcop uses less watts.
  "uP" AuthenticAMD AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor
  cpu frequency in MHz 448.219
  cache size 128 KB
  flags fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 pge mmx syscall 3dnowext 3dnow k6_mtrr
  Bogomips 894.56
  Bogomips eff. 99.7905 %
Cpu Temperature In Degrees Celsius:
0 [CPU]: 38.50
Ram Slot Information:
0 [SDRAM]: 512 MB
1 [SDRAM]: 512 MB
ATA device with non-removable media
        Model Number: TRANSCEND
Size: 512 MB

00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 8255xER/82551IT Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 09)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 8255xER/82551IT Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 09)
00:14.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 0c) (this card here on my ORANGE brings the watts up slightly)

Perhaps you meant low CPU and RAM.
Cause, I doubt you can bring that system down to the (Rounded off) 12 watts this system uses, and you did say lowest powered machine, anything beyond a raqcop in low power use is going to likely be either embedded system or a mini ITX - imo.

Still it's not lost upon me what you say about a slow boot and then an absolutly responsive system. My post wasn't meant to talk shit here. I've had a couple boxes like you describe over my lifetime, seems like one was a pentium 75 and the other was a 486 running an old version of slack. I used to run my router on a 233 that used to take about 12 minutes to boot up. lol

Re:moved on (1)

SaDJ0KeR (1565783) | about a year and a half ago | (#40893089)

Linux v0dka 2.6.31-v0dka #2 Sat Jan 14 00:14:04 EET 2012 i586 Pentium 75 - 200 GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 2
model name : Pentium 75 - 200
cpu MHz : 89.809

total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 93140 89440 3700 0 60744 9512
-/+ buffers/cache: 19184 73956
Swap: 28216 1384 26832

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root 3.0G 2.0G 1.1G 65% /
tmpfs 46M 0 46M 0% /dev/shm

Re:moved on (1)

crankyspice (63953) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884047)

I don't know /why/ you'd want to run Linux on a P1, but whatever turns your crank I guess. The misery of dropped BIOS & ethernet card support finally did me in. Plus none of it ever works slighly as well as W98SE.

The later Pentium chips, the MMX variants, on a decent chipset (i430VX or i430TX), were rock-solid and very usable under almost any operating system. I still have one somewhere with Windows NT 4 Workstation (still one of the best operating systems I've ever used, especially for MJPEG video editing with a miroVideo DC30pro), Windows 98SE (for gaming), and IIRC RedHat 6.2 with IceWM. RedHat was for the PHP/MySQL stuff I was doing at the time, plus systems programming in C, plus technically reviewing Wrox books, etc.

I have an old Sony VAIO PCG-Z505R somewhere, too, with 98SE and RedHat 6.2, IceWM, etc.; it's a PII-366MHz with IIRC 192MB RAM and a 6GB internal hard drive. I'm not likely to ever boot it into Windows, but on the Linux side, WordPerfect, X client, etc., stuff it's still very usable for.

Not everything requires gigaflop power and gobs of RAM...

Xbox Version (3, Insightful)

Monsuco (998964) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883769)

I'm so happy to see this project's back from the dead. I'll once again be able to make use of super-old PC's. I hope somebody updates the Xbox release called X-DSL someday. It was made for modded Xboxes and it's the only distro that ever really worked well on them.

Re:Xbox Version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40886565)

I'm so happy to see this project's back from the dead. I'll once again be able to make use of super-old PC's. I hope somebody updates the Xbox release called X-DSL someday. It was made for modded Xboxes and it's the only distro that ever really worked well on them.

Whatever. Gentoox runs great on my 3 original Xboxen. XFCE for the win.

Now only if there were something for my 3 Elite 360s. I sure would love to be able to play stupid Matroska files on something a bit sleeker than a FUGLY HTPC.

It was almost dead because Windows is better (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883775)

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UMPQUA BANK: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=umpquabank.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

BINGHAM LOANS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=bingham.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

NUSTAR ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=nustarenergy.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

PAST TOP 30, into the 30-100 range now (of the "top 100 fortune 100 companies to work for" from CNN Money)

CHESAPEAKE ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=chk.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

SOUTHERN OHIO MEDICAL CENTER: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.somc.org [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

PCL CONSTRUCTION: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pcl.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

AMERICAN FIDELITY ASSURANCE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.afadvantage.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

BALFOUR BEATTY CONSTRUCTION: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.balfourbeattyus.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

DEVON ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.devonenergy.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

BAPTIST HEALTH S. FLORIDA: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.baptisthealth.net [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

SHARED TECHNOLOGIES: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sharedtechnologies.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

JOHNSON FINANCIAL GROUP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.johnsonbank.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

NOVO NORDISK: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.novonordisk-us.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

BAKER DONELSON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bakerdonelson.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

PERKINS COLE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.perkinscoie.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

MILLENIUM/TAKEDA ONCOLOGY CO.: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.millennium.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

AFLAC: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.aflac.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

CHILDREN'S HEALTHCARE OF ATLANTA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.choa.org [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

OHIOHEALTH: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohiohealth.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

EOG Resources: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.eogresources.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

PUBLIX GROCERY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.publix.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

ARKANSAS CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.archildrens.org [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

GILBANE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gilbaneco.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

ERNST & YOUNG: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ey.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

SRCTech: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.srcinc.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

CARMAX: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.carmax.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

KIMPTON HOTELS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kimptonhotels.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

BRIGHT HORIZONS: Runs their domain on Windows/IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.brighthorizons.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

KPMG: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.us.kpmg.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

MERIDIAN HEALTH: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.meridianhealth.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

CH2M HILL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ch2mhill.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

EVERETT CLINIC: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.everettclinic.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

MORNINGSTAR: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=corporate.morningstar.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

DARDEN RESTAURANTS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.darden.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

CERN: Runs their website on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cern.ch [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

GOULDS PUMPS: (former Fortune 500 I worked for) Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gouldspumps.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

AXA FINANCIAL: (former company I worked for) Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.axa.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

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20++ UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT - STATES USING WINDOWS:

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STATE OF CALIFORNIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ca.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pa.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF TEXAS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.texas.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF CONNECTICUT: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ct.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF ALASKA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.alaska.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF FLORIDA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.florida.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF ILLINOIS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.illinois.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF KENTUCKY: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kentucky.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF MARYLAND: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.maryland.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF MONTANA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.montana.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NEVADA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.nevada.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NEW MEXICO: Runs their domain on Windows/IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newmexico.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ncgov.com [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sc.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF OHIO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohio.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sd.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WASHINGTON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=washington.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wv.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WISCONSIN: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wisconsin.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WYOMING: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wyoming.gov [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

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90++ TOP RANKED UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/ [rankingsandreviews.com] [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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Baylor University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.baylor.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Texas Tech University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ttu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Temple University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.temple.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Drexel University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=drexel.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Pace University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pace.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Southern Methodist University (SMU): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.smu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Colorado State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.colostate.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Washington University in St. Louis: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wustl.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Hofstra University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hofstra.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

DePaul University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.depaul.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Texas A&M University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tamuk.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Clarkson University: -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.clarkson.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Fordham University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.fordham.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Texas Christian University (TCU): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tcu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Florida A&M University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.famu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

St.John Fisher University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sjfc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

St.John's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stjohns.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Kent State University of Ohio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kent.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Ball State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=cms.bsu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Jackson State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.jsums.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

North Dakota State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ndus.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

South Carolina State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=scsu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Northern Illinois University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.niu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

South Dakota State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sdstate.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Michigan University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cmich.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Indiana State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.indstate.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Indiana University of Pennsylvania: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.iup.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Texas Southern University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tsu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Northern Arizona University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=nau.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Tennessee State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tnstate.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

East Tennessee State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.etsu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Oakland University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oakland.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.esf.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Southern California (USC): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Pittsburg (Pitt): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=pitt.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of California (UCLA): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ucsc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Massachusetts (UMASS): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=uml.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Texas @ El Paso: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utep.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Texas @ San Antonio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utsa.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Tulsa: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utulsa.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Ohio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohio.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of North Carolina @ Charlotte: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uncc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Colorado @ Denver: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ucdenver.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Wyoming: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uwyo.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Cincinnati: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of South Florida: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usf.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Nevada @ Reno: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unr.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Idaho: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uidaho.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Missouri - Kansas City: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.umkc.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Montana: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.umt.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of New Orleans: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uno.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Northern Colorado: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unco.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of Toledo: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utoledo.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of the Pacific: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pacific.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of St. Thomas: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stthomas.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

University of San Francisco: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usfca.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Colorado Tech University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.coloradotech.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Wichita State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wichita.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Wilmington University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=wilmu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Widener University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.widener.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Catholic University of America: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cua.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Clark University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.clarku.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Lynn University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lynn.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Morgan State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.morgan.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Spalding University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=spalding.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Biola University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.biola.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Edgewood College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=edgewood.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Immaculata University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.immaculata.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

American University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.american.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Pepperdine University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pepperdine.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Barry University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.barry.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Benedictine University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ben.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Cardinal Stritch University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stritch.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Bowie State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bowiestate.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Texas Women's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=twu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Our Lady of the Lake University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ollusa.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Clark Atlanta University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cau.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Trinity International University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tiu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Trevecca University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.trevecca.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Alliant International University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.alliant.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

California Institute of Integral Studies: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ciis.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Capella University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.capella.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

National-Louis University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.nl.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

North Central Un/bb/b Runs their domain on Windows -iversity: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ncu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Trident University International: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.trident.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Union Institute and University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.myunion.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Walden University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.waldenu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

New School NYU: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newschool.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Yeshiva University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.yu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

(90 of the 200 "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED NORTHERN REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-colleges-north [rankingsandreviews.com] [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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LeMoyne College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lemoyne.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Loyola University Maryland: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.loyola.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Providence College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.providence.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Alfred University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=alfred.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Canisius College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.canisius.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Bentley University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bentley.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Scranton University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.scranton.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Quinnipiac University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.quinnipiac.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Emerson College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.emerson.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Mount St. Mary's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.msmary.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Hood College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hood.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Nazareth College: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.naz.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Iona College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.iona.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

SUNY - New Paltz: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newpaltz.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

Notre Dame of Maryland University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ndm.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

St. Bonaventure University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sbu.edu [netcraft.com] [netcraft.com]

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Re:It was almost dead because Windows is better (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40883841)

This post wasn't made by APK, who instead keeps on topic. Instead it is by an offtopic troll that keeps trying to put words in APK's mouth. He's even admitted to not taking his meds just the other day:

I forgot to take my psycho meds. I just did and am sane again. Apologies for going off topic trolling apk and I can't disprove his points. by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 04, @11:16AMhttp://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40877673 [slashdot.org] .

And yet again at, a second time he forgot to take his meds:

Apology for not taking my meds. I admit apk is right and that I am an off topic troll who has issues since apk has gotten the best of me so many times online I have to hide under pure anonymous coward posts off topic the entire time. I am no man, and am truly an anonymous wuss.by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 04, @11:14AM http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40877667 [slashdot.org]

He can't tell the difference between transactions and rows in a database, or disprove any facts http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org]

Re:It was almost dead because Windows is better (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884095)

Who said anything about APK? Are you APK? Why do you talk about yourself in third person? Do you have multiple personalities? If you do, how do you know you didn't post that comment?

Some corrections to your links (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884979)

"This post wasn't made by APK, who instead keeps on topic. Instead it is by an offtopic troll that keeps trying to put words in APK's mouth. He's even admitted to not taking his meds just the other day:" - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 05, @02:15AM (#40883841)

Right, but, instead? Here's where the AC troll tried putting words in my mouth that I never said -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40868839 [slashdot.org]

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"He can't tell the difference between transactions and rows in a database, or disprove any facts http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org] " - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 05, @02:15AM (#40883841)

Here'sa actually where I caught the AC troll had messed up on rows vs. transactions in high transaction per minutes MS db setups, here -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40868839 [slashdot.org] :

* That's for "posterities' sake" here... Now you have the correct links, for the points you put out (get your links correct next time please IF/WHEN you're citing me and make sure it's me, thanks...)

APK

P.S.=> Additionally/lastly, well... you just KNOW I've gotta say it, as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style":

This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" - it always is when truth's used with backing proofs, from people misquoting my points from other threads in different ones... apk

Correcting your links (again)... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884989)

"This post wasn't made by APK, who instead keeps on topic. Instead it is by an offtopic troll that keeps trying to put words in APK's mouth. He's even admitted to not taking his meds just the other day:" - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 05, @02:15AM (#40883841)

Right, but, instead? Here's where the AC troll tried putting words in my mouth that I never said -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40869197 [slashdot.org]

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"He can't tell the difference between transactions and rows in a database, or disprove any facts http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org] " - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 05, @02:15AM (#40883841)

Here's actually where I caught the AC troll had messed up on rows vs. transactions in high transaction per minutes MS db setups, here -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40868839 [slashdot.org]

* That's for "posterities' sake" here... Now you have the correct links, for the points you put out (get your links correct next time please IF/WHEN you're citing me and make sure it's me, thanks...)

APK

P.S.=> Additionally/lastly, well... you just KNOW I've gotta say it, as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style":

This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" - it always is when truth's used with backing proofs, from people misquoting my points from other threads in different ones... apk

Just as apk predicted (yet again) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884063)

Just as APK predicted an unjust down mod from ac troll on his post that put out facts and the ac troll blundered on transactions versus rows as well as omitting power redudancy with trying to put words in apk's mouth he never said:

when I catch him in a mistake? He'll unjustly downmod my posts when he fails... call it a prediction here too on that note! from http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40869197 [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org]

Re:Just as apk predicted (yet again) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40885425)

Actually, the troll downmodded this http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org]

That's where I used the facts that same troll doubtless used here in this exchange in THIS unrelated thread -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40883775 [slashdot.org]

I never ONCE there or here stated "Windows is better" either, see proof of that much here from the other thread -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40869197 [slashdot.org]

Finally?

Well - The idiot troll who used the data of mine from that other post, albeit here, where Windows is & HAS been successful in high tpm mission critical environs, Top companies (fortune 100/500 etc.), academia & more LITERALLY pointed to THIS unrelated thread from there -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40884289 [slashdot.org]

* Thus, allowing ME to expose him and he just "gave away his 'game'" there pointing me to here, completely... I'm just here to point that much out, as fact!

APK

P.S.=> I love it when trolls *TRY* impersonate me though, makes me laugh, because I just catch it & set it straight, with facts & cited backing... pretty simple!

What makes me laugh more is when I put out facts (vs. anecdotal unsubstantiated b.s. here -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40884623 [slashdot.org] was downmodded, with no real justification why, since I used facts especially vs. no citation based b.s.)...

... apk

Re:It was almost dead because Windows is better (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884085)

This is just a long list of fails.
* When the ignorant talking heads in the news media talk about some 'exploit' even when their not savvy enough to know the difference they are almost always talking about a WINDOWS issue.
* The BP-Gulf debacle is a great example of the effect Microsoft Windows has had on society. The drilling platform had a WINDOWS computer as a warning device -- it was so problematic the workers turned it off because of numerous false alarms. Not saying that was the source of the problem, just part of a cascading number of them.
* In 2003 another cascading series of problems triggered a power outage that took down the power grid in part of Canada and parts of the NE U.S. Again, WINDOWS PCs were not the cause but a significant factor.
* It's unimaginable how much more advanced our online experiences might be if Windows wasn't such a problematic platform. Thinking back about how horrific IE6 was with it's integral security holes and by-design non-standards compliant issues. Microsoft has finally gotten serious about security issues but for years and years if you took a PC, put a clean install of Windows on it, connected it to the Internet, and in minutes you'd have a compromised system functioning as Spam bot. Without a good firewall and AV software any Windows system was a crippled system. Doing the same thing with something like Debian or Slackware and you'd have a secure system right from the beginning. But even now, when a site gets taken down because of some Denial of Service issue, the thousands of botnets involved are not some mix of Windows, OS X, and Linux systems, they're almost all WINDOWS.

So troller, anyone who has been in IT for a few years sees your list as just a snapshot of a muddled past. Nothing more impressive than going back to the 50's and seeing a list of restaurants that wouldn't serve minorities. Ignorance is simply a part of human development.

Fails? Damn Small Marketshare (for Linux) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884623)

Like Linux marketshare on PC desktops and Servers combined vs. Windows dominance?

Now THAT is a huge "fail" for Linux over more than a decade now, lol!

Additionally for your alleged 50 years of experience (at being a menial I wager) You post a lot of stuff but no backing citations or quotes either. Makes your "evidence" anecdotal and possibly lies.

"Damn Small Linux"? No. Damn Small MARKETSHARE for Linux (on pc's + Servers combined). Funny how Linux gets hacked/cracked into in these examples when for years all you heard on /. was "linux = secure, Windows != secure", well ok. To that, eat this:

2012:

Medicaid hack update: 500,000 records and 280,000 SSNs stolen:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/medicaid-hack-update-500000-records-and-280000-ssns-stolen/11444 [zdnet.com]

So, what's dts.utah.gov running everyone?

LINUX (and yes, it got HACKED) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dts.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

What's health.utah.gov running too??

YOU GUESSED IT: LINUX AGAIN -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=health.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

* Ah, yes - see the YEARS OF /. "BS" FUD is CRUMBLING AROUND THE PENGUINS EARS HERE & 2012's starting out just like 2011 did below!

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2011:

KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (that's VERY bad - do you trust it now?)

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised [slashdot.org]

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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/ [theregister.co.uk]

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Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware [slashdot.org]

What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com [netcraft.com]

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London Stock Exchange serving malware:

http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware [slashdot.org]

(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch [slashdot.org] , & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

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DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers [slashdot.org]

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Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach [slashdot.org]

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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl [netcraft.com]

The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/ [itproafrica.com]

&

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811 [threatpost.com]

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The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed [slashdot.org]

What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com [netcraft.com]

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Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/domains_lamped/ [theregister.co.uk]

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Phishers compromise LAMP-based websites for days at a time and hit the same victims over and over again, according to an Anti-Phishing Working Group survey. Sites built on Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP are the favoured targets of phishing attackers"

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Toss ANDROID (yes, a Linux since it uses a Linux kernel) in also, since it's being "shredded" on the mobile phone security-front rampantly for years now?

* You get the picture... I just stuffed your "50 years of bullshit" right up your ass and came up over the top of you with ease, AND, actual cited evidences vs. your anecdotal crap, chump!

APK

P.S.=> This? Well... you just KNOW I've gotta say it:

This?? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'", & it always is vs. windbag wannabes that *TRY* to browbeat me with their experience (and I've been at it longer than you dolt and I'd wager I can show proofs of doing a HELL OF A LOT BETTER @ IT than you have - wanna take that bet? Anytime..)...

... apk

Mod me down all you like, Penguins (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40885275)

Facts put your no citation b.s. I replied to, to shame here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40884623 [slashdot.org]

(All the unjustified & unjust down moderations in the WORLD can't dispute the documented, concrete, verifiable, & undeniable information I put out vs. unsubstantiated b.s. with NO backing behind it I replied to here -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40884085 [slashdot.org] )...

Period/No Questions Asked/No Doubt about it - as there IS, quite a difference between fact and "anecdotal evidence"...

* Addtionally - "Hit & run downmodding" doesn't hide it from everyone reading either - accept that as fact too!

APK

P.S.=> Makes me laugh when the /. "Pro-*NIX" trolls get documented facts put to them and all they have in "effete retaliation" (worse than women mind you)? Is an unjustified downmod... lol!

... apk

Fails = /. "Linux=Secure, Windows !=Secure" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903881)

Funny how Linux gets hacked/cracked in these examples after years of what you heard on /. was "linux = secure, Windows != secure", well ok. To that, eat this:

2012:

Medicaid hack update: 500,000 records and 280,000 SSNs stolen:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/medicaid-hack-update-500000-records-and-280000-ssns-stolen/11444 [zdnet.com]

So, what's dts.utah.gov running everyone?

LINUX (and yes, it got HACKED) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dts.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

What's health.utah.gov running too??

YOU GUESSED IT: LINUX AGAIN -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=health.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

* Ah, yes - see the YEARS OF /. "BS" FUD is CRUMBLING AROUND THE PENGUINS EARS HERE & 2012's starting out just like 2011 did below!

===

2011:

KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (that's VERY bad - do you trust it now?)

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised [slashdot.org]

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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/ [theregister.co.uk]

---

Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware [slashdot.org]

What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com [netcraft.com]

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London Stock Exchange serving malware:

http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware [slashdot.org]

(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch [slashdot.org] [slashdot.org], & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

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DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers [slashdot.org]

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Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach [slashdot.org]

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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok:
  (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl [netcraft.com]

The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/ [itproafrica.com]

&

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811 [threatpost.com]

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The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed [slashdot.org]

What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com [netcraft.com]

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Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/domains_lamped/ [theregister.co.uk]

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Phishers compromise LAMP-based websites for days at a time and hit the same victims over and over again, according to an Anti-Phishing Working Group survey. Sites built on Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP are the favoured targets of phishing attackers"

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Toss ANDROID (yes, a Linux since it uses a Linux kernel) in also, since it's being "shredded" on the mobile phone security-front rampantly for years now?

* You get the picture...

APK

P.S.=> This? Well... you just KNOW I've gotta say it:

This?? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'", & it always is vs. Linux trollery, especially YEARS to DECADE++ here of "Linux = Secure, & Windows != Secure you heard constantly around /. (not so much anymore though, after the above, lol)...

... apk

Sorry to disappoint: That wasn't me! apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884689)

It IS, however, data I used though, here http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org]

That's in response to some b.s. from a Pro-*NIX troll (see post before it)

Whom I even later made "eat his words" here on another account (a failed ad hominem attack attempt on the troll's part) http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40875753 [slashdot.org]

Yes - nothing like making them "eat their words", lol! I suspect they're trying to make it out as if I am saying "Windows is better" etc. (to get more Penguins "AnGrY" with me, & if they do? It only apparently shows TRUTH gets to them because I will state 1 fact: Windows gets used a HELL OF A LOT MORE than Linux does, by huge orders of magnitude more, & that's saying quite a lot!)

That's all!

* However, I did post here too, in response to some wannabe who used anecdotal b.s. evidence with no backing, whereas I came right up over the top of him with actual evidences WITH citations of their evidence.

APK

P.S.=> Like I said to him there, I will say it again, here:

This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" ...

However - I don't see the point of why the person who put up the post I just replied to is saying "Windows is better" (whatever)! It is in many things, but there's times when Linux makes sense too.

Windows is certainly used a lot more on PC deskops & Servers combined (industry established fact and statistically provable too) though.

However, to each his own & whatever works for you and you are comfortable + proficient working with it, go for it!

The only thing I could NEVER stand was the years of "Windows != Secure, Linux = Secure" b.s. that went around here on /. especially... to that? See this (it was my other post here) -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40884623 [slashdot.org]

Mod me down all you like but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40885335)

It can't change the fact I put out the correct links http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40884689 [slashdot.org] in regards to those I replied to here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40883775 [slashdot.org]

Especially to those who used data I cited in another post of mine, in a completely unrelated thread to this one, who are VAINLY *trying* there http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40884289 [slashdot.org] to say I posted the parent thread to this here - I didn't!

(So much for attempting to "impersonate me", as defeated trolls are wont to do when blown away by facts!)

* Thus - All the unjustified & unjust down moderations in the WORLD can't dispute the documented, concrete, verifiable, & undeniable information I just put out vs. troll games (in trying to impersonate me)...

Period/No Questions Asked/No Doubt about it!

Especially since I caught that attempt @ saying I posted the above, & I did not.

However/Again - It IS data I used vs. *NIX people here in another thread -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org]

* Addtionally - "Hit & run downmodding" doesn't hide it from everyone reading either - accept that as fact too!

APK

P.S.=> Makes me laugh when the /. "Pro-*NIX" trolls get documented facts put to them and all they have in "effete retaliation" (worse than women mind you)? Is an unjustified downmod... lol!

... apk

Linux ac shill trolls "BIG FAIL" proof: Busted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40905895)

FROM -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40905783 [slashdot.org]

Running from this too -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40890277 [slashdot.org]

When & where you took MY original data in this thread here we're in now:

http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org]

Which is my original data from THIS thread, and, FAR EARLIER DATED and different than your "altered model" where you impersonated me, here, in another thread:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40887319 [slashdot.org]

(With YOU missing the Baylor link above, & MY ORIGINAL LINK 1st one above? Has it...)

That's proof you altered it to impersonate me, also HERE http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40887025 [slashdot.org] , proving you altered it, & impersonated me!)

and also here:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026929&cid=40883775 [slashdot.org]

(Where you did NOT miss the baylor link, but both impersonate ME to say "Windows is 'better'" - you're busted, stupid!)

As NEITHER of those last 2 links just now are myself, since in my original? I never EVER said "Windows is better" AND I had Baylor's data in it, and mine's dated earlier!

(Though Windows IS better, for a great many things, Linux has it's niche too... albeit in combined servers + pc desktop marketshare, it's an industry fact provable statistically that it is FAR behind marketshare & usage to Windows!)

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Which in fact, netcraft SHOWS Baylor uses Windows:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.baylor.edu [netcraft.com]

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LMAO - You later also tried to say that Linux was running on those servers & it was NOT and IS still not, by altering the data here in that other thread -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40888699 [slashdot.org]

However - The actual netcraft links I posted afterwards (which you would NOT post) show otherwise! Since I posted right after that to shoot you down in your lies and deceitful b.s. -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40890277 [slashdot.org]

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Talk about LOW!

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Additionally:

As far as the YEARS of /. propoganda of "Linux = Secure, Windows !=Secure"? I can only put out Linux's fails from 2011-2012 also:

2012:

Medicaid hack update: 500,000 records and 280,000 SSNs stolen:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/medicaid-hack-update-500000-records-and-280000-ssns-stolen/11444 [zdnet.com]

So, what's dts.utah.gov running everyone?

LINUX (and yes, it got HACKED) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dts.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

What's health.utah.gov running too??

YOU GUESSED IT: LINUX AGAIN -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=health.utah.gov [netcraft.com]

* Ah, yes - see the YEARS OF /. "BS" FUD is CRUMBLING AROUND THE PENGUINS EARS HERE & 2012's starting out just like 2011 did below!

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2011:

KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (that's VERY bad - do you trust it now?)

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised [slashdot.org]

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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/ [theregister.co.uk]

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Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware [slashdot.org]

What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com [netcraft.com]

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London Stock Exchange serving malware:

http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware [slashdot.org]

(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch [slashdot.org] , & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)

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DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers [slashdot.org]

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Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach:

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/09/11/1325212/linux-foundation-linuxcom-sites-down-to-fix-security-breach [slashdot.org]

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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com [netcraft.com]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl [netcraft.com]

The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:

http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/ [itproafrica.com]

&

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-after-web-server-attack-120811 [threatpost.com]

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The Stratfor SECURITY hack: (can't blame it on poor setup, this IS a security firm that uses Linux)

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/28/1743201/data-exposed-in-stratfor-compromise-analyzed [slashdot.org]

What's that domain run? Yes kids - you guessed it: LINUX -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stratfor.com [netcraft.com]

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Phishers/Spammers FAVOR attacking LAMP: (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/10/domains_lamped/ [theregister.co.uk]

PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

"Phishers compromise LAMP-based websites for days at a time and hit the same victims over and over again, according to an Anti-Phishing Working Group survey. Sites built on Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP are the favoured targets of phishing attackers"

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Toss ANDROID (yes, a Linux since it uses a Linux kernel) in also, since it's being "shredded" on the mobile phone security-front rampantly for years now?

(You get the picture... it was YEARS of false bullshit spread by Penguins here!)

* Oh yes - the /. "Linux shills" sink to a NEW LOW, only to "sink their own ship" being caught in the act, red-handed - by "yours truly"...

Piece of advice:

Listen - Don't try me again, because I'll just "blow you away" & catch you in your STUPID mistakes again, Leaving your attempts @ "discrediting me" by impersonating me (NOT a first), or altering data I posted before you do, every single time.

APK

P.S.=> Small wonder than an Open SORES "big name" in Bruce Perens even said this about how trolling shills work on forums:

"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal

SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]

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And, how the Chinese Water Army:

http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22Chinese+Water+Army%22&btnG=Search&gbv=1&sei=tSchUJjPGYn36gGYtIDACQ [google.com]

AND HBGary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All [dailykos.com]

PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS:

"According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HBGary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppets, with sophisticated "persona management" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidentally cross-contaminating each other. Then, to top it off, the team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online... And all of this is for the purposes of infiltration, data mining, and (here's the one that really worries me) ganging up on bloggers, commenters and otherwise "real" people to smear enemies and distort the truth... "

and

"They are talking about creating the illusion of consensus. And consensus is a powerful persuader... And another thing, this is just one little company of assholes. I can't believe there aren't others doing this already. From oil companies, political campaigns, PR firms, you name it. Public opinion means big bucks. And let's face it, what these guys are talking about is easy."

and

"To the extent that the propaganda technique known as "Bandwagon" is an effective form of persuasion, which it definitely is, the ability for a few people to infiltrate a blog or social media site and appear to be many people, all taking one position in a debate, all agreeing, for example, that so and so is not credible, or a crook, is an incredibly powerful weapon."

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ALL/EACH Were caught in the act pulling the same shit!

(Man - You're not even ORIGINAL about what you do, or how you go about - but worst of all? You're STUPID enough to have been caught by myself doing it in the 1st place!)

Just like your b.s. impersonating me, altering data I posted days before, albeit in another thread, & changing the links to do so!

Best of all, this man posts their methods IN DETAIL, the methods scum like that online uses (which was rejected from /. submissions... "gee, I wonder WHY?" (not)):

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FROM -> http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm [cryptome.org]

or

FROM -> http://cryptome.org/2012/07/censored-slashdot-post.htm [cryptome.org]

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Bottom-line: Dolts like forums troll shills, by sockpuppetry, or alternate registered 'luser' accounts by the 100's, don't last very long, & always get caught! People the world over are aware of your crap, ac shill troll... YOU FAIL!

... apk

Make it a Gaming OS already (1)

Khyber (864651) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883793)

This with a dedicated Steam port would be ideal for a lightweight and fast gaming system.

Re:Make it a Gaming OS already (0)

sourcerror (1718066) | about a year and a half ago | (#40883811)

Not Linux but close enough: http://excamera.com/sphinx/gameduino/ [excamera.com]

Loved DSL. But what kernel and system libs? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884023)

DSL was hugely important to me. It started me in Linux, got me understanding things, learning scripting, Perl and C. Booted all into ram it was blinding fast even on an old machine. I love small light applications and I still love the idea of a whole desktop and browser in a 50MB iso. It predates Puppy and all the others. But what version stuff is it running now?

What kernel version is it running? libc? Apart from the dispute between its owner and its lead developer (the latter went off to found Tinycore) the big problem with old DSL was compiling anything recent became a pain because it and the gcc versions in the repo were so out of date. Leaving aside security issues this began to hamper what I could do with it. Then there was the old 2.4.26 kernel.

Is that how it has to be if the goal is to support old hardware? How old? Tinycore claims to support 486 with math processor and it has the latest *everything*, tc kernel and apps are often very recent.

Damn Small Marketshare (for Linux) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40884593)

After all, on pc's + servers combined it's an industry fact Windows rules. Prediction: The Penguins will come out feathers ruffled by fact and start flaming this post in rage! Rage at the truth of Linux's PUNY marketshare, lol!

Soup (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#40884837)

What is problematic with DSL and Puppy is that they are a mishmash of various programs with different toolkits. While somewhat heavier, I prefer XFCE or LXDE based distros as they bring a more consistent experience.

More functionality than mainstream linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40886153)

"it is now possible to switch between JWM and Fluxbox without shutting down X" !!!

Really, why isn't this possible on Fedora 17 or other recent distros? I've needed to run software that doesn't behave well with compositing WMs, and I had to log out and log back in with my WM of choice...

Re:More functionality than mainstream linux? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about a year and a half ago | (#40890547)

Not sure what particular compositing window manager you're running on Fedora but on Ubuntu with Unity I just do a "metacity --replace" when I need to turn compositing off. And when I want to go back I just do "compiz --replace" as that's the wm Unity uses. No logging out necessary. Of course this is assuming you don't have metacity set up with the compositing but if you do just turn that off in gconf-editor.

Woohoo! (1)

monk (1958) | about a year and a half ago | (#40888543)

Glad to see it back. I loved having DSL on a USB. I've been using Arch for that lately, but I have trouble remembering how to get it setup after long periods without using it. Hopefully this will also work on my old EEE PC netbook. I'm using Arch and E there too, but never did get around to making it autosense wifi and that sort of thing. As I recall DSL did that very well out of the box.

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