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Demonoid Shut By Ukrainian Authorities

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the book-em dept.

Piracy 178

hypnosec writes "After a prolonged outage that lasted for nearly a week Demonoid has reportedly been audited and closed down by the Ukrainian law enforcement agency. According to reports the Ukrainian anti-cybercrime police division carried out an investigation of ColoCall – the hosting service provider for Demonoid. Servers were sealed after all the data on the servers was copied. According to ColoCall the servers haven't been seized but, they are not operational any more. The hosting service provider is going to end the agreement with Demonoid. 'Investigators have copied all the information from the Demonoid servers and sealed them.' a manager from ColoCall, wishing to stay anonymous, said."

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You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897747)

About time that the Ukraine accepted what most governments of the world have already accepted--that the U.S. is your master and you had goddamn well better do whatever the fuck we tell you to!

Now sit, rollover, and say "We're your bitch!" ....No, SAY IT LOUDER!!

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899031)

What I want to know was did they have permission from the server owners to copy all that data....

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (3, Funny)

lightknight (213164) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899231)

Lord and master. We own their land, too.

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (2, Insightful)

Jahava (946858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899987)

About time that the Ukraine accepted what most governments of the world have already accepted--that the U.S. is your master and you had goddamn well better do whatever the fuck we tell you to!

Now sit, rollover, and say "We're your bitch!" ....No, SAY IT LOUDER!!

This does raise a worthwhile issue: I couldn't find anything in the article that says that the US requested that Demonoid be shut down for this meeting.

Now, the US Authorities are likely quite happy that it was shut down, but that's a different point. Doing something to please a trade partner isn't necessarily being its "bitch". People, corporations, and countries, the US included, suck up to each other all the time as a sign of respect, deference, and/or good faith and to gain a more favorable status. That sounds like what this is: the Ukraine knew that the US would view the move positively, so they did it as a gift to strengthen their status.

If the Ukraine knew that Obama loved candied walnuts and consequently brought him a few bags for the meeting, nobody would say that they were his "bitch". Just because this gift is despicable doesn't change that fundamental intention.

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900041)

About time that the Ukraine accepted what most governments of the world have already accepted--that the U.S. is your master and you had goddamn well better do whatever the fuck we tell you to!

Now sit, rollover, and say "We're your bitch!" ....No, SAY IT LOUDER!!

Because there are so few countries with copyright laws you mean ? At least where I live, the local copyright people + a whole lot of small companies are pushing the government like mad to do stuff like this, saying tens of thousands of jobs depend on it.

Also I've recently visited a very large software company (in America), and the developers were nearly universally in favor of copyright laws and destroying things like demonoid and thepiratebay. I'm not sure if that's typical, and yes, the youngest guy there (~25) did not share this opinion, but I'm pretty sure he was much outnumbered.

I think slashdot is providing us with a somewhat limited selection of people declaring their opinions on this matter.

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40900155)

Because there are so few countries with copyright laws you mean ?

No, because websites shouldn't be taken down just because there is some infringing material on them. The US is already seizing domain names randomly. That's bad enough. Other countries don't need to go and do similar things.

Also I've recently visited a very large software company (in America), and the developers were nearly universally in favor of copyright laws and destroying things like demonoid and thepiratebay.

Not exactly the most unbiased group to ask, eh? Ask me if I deserve a million dollars.

Re:You're a GOOD dog!! Yes you are! (1)

DerUberTroll (2676259) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900291)

And the US is the climate's bitch. Burn baby, burn.

Color me surprised (5, Funny)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897795)

If your shit's not safe in the Ukraine, it's not safe anywhere.

Re:Color me surprised (4, Interesting)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897833)

Well if the story is anything to go by, then the site was not closed down over copyright claims, it was shutdown over serving malware adds.

I can see why the Ukranians would shut it down over that.

Russian doesn't give a damn about US copyright claims.

Re:Color me surprised (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897865)

Interesting. I'll have to check the links when I'm off work.

Re:Color me surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897881)

I corporatist America copyrights claim you!

Re:Color me surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898361)

In corporatist America copyrights claim YOU!

There, fixed it for you.

Re:Color me surprised (5, Informative)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897889)

Russian doesn't give a damn about US copyright claims.

Ukraine != Russia.

The former Soviet republics that are now independent states (including Ukraine) tend to be friendlier to the US and EU than Russia itself is, because they rely upon NATO support to maintain effective independence from Russian control.

Re:Color me surprised (5, Interesting)

C0C0C0 (688434) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898379)

Ukraine != Russia.

The former Soviet republics that are now independent states (including Ukraine) tend to be friendlier to the US and EU than Russia itself is, because they rely upon NATO support to maintain effective independence from Russian control.

Ukraine != Poland, either. The entire northern half speaks Russian natively and, despite the best efforts of the Ukrainian Ukrainians, they appear to have the upper hand in parliment right now. I'd say that the jury is still out, and while Ukraine certainly isn't Belarus, they lean a lot more towards Moscow than you suggest.

In fact, there were plans to join NATO (4, Interesting)

tlambert (566799) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899223)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations [wikipedia.org]

It's currently on hold because of their current president and parliament, as part of trying to keep Russia from coming unglued at them. However, if their stated intention to join the EU goes through, it's likely they will become a NATO member state (21 of the 27 EU member states are currently members of NATO). Currently, they engage in joint military exercises with NATO.

Re:Color me surprised (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899351)

The former Soviet republics that are now independent states (including Ukraine) tend to be friendlier to the US and EU than Russia itself is, because they rely upon NATO support to maintain effective independence from Russian control.

Not all of them. Baltic states, certainly, and also Georgia. Belarus goes back and forth, but it's not particularly welcome in Europe with its current regime in any case, so it mostly uses the "we'll go to EU" card to force Russia to give some consessions. Most Central Asian states are dictatorships, ranging from mild (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan) to extreme (Turkmenistan, Tajikistan), and as such aren't really very friendly to either US or EU. Additionally, those of them which border Afghanistan and Pakistan have a very direct threat of Islamic insurgency, and rely on Russian army to maintain their existence if the worst comes to pass.

Ukraine is actually somewhat schizophrenic in that regard. Its problem is that it's a bitterly divided state: most of eastern regions are historically more russified, and populated predominantly by Russian speakers who either self-identify as Russian or at least aligned with it, while western regions are historically more polonized, and populated predominantly by Ukrainian speakers who self-identify clearly as Ukrainians, and make it a point to stand apart from Russia. The middle of the country, including the capital, is a mish-mash of both. The divide goes beyond the language and self-identification, it also straddles religion (Eastern Orthodox Moscow Patriarchate, vs Kyiv Patriarchate and Greek Catholic). Needless to say, these groups don't much like each other, and have pretty much opposite political goals with no cooperation. So depending on which party is in power at any given moment, foreign policy of Ukraine can pretty much turn around, every five years. And right now, the party in power is pro-Russian one.

Re:Color me surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899909)

The former Soviet republics that are now independent states

...but are almost all run by former KGB agents.

FTFY

Re:Color me surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897903)

Russia > U$A
Always!

Re:Color me surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899719)

That's why so many people want to move to Russia.

Re:Color me surprised (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897993)

Does the Ukranian government regularly take action against malware? If not, then no, they got shut down for copyright infringement, and "We're shutting down this malware site for your protection, citizen" is a lie on the same level as "We had to shut down the protest because they didn't have a proper permit, not because we don't like their message."

Re:Color me surprised (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898073)

Thank god we have enlightened people on the internet, that never lie, to make us see through the lies of the governments... THANK GOD!

wtf are you talking about (4, Informative)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898209)

they never had malware ads, but they did turn on the ads after being DDOS'd due to the bandwidth bill. Considering that such a thing happened literally in the last two days I can't see why the Ukranians would shut it down that fast or even have the capability to, for that matter.

Re:Color me surprised (5, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898645)

there's another twist of the story that ". According to one source in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the investigation was timed to coincide with Ukrainian First Deputy Prime Minister Valeriy Khoroshkovsky's visit to the United States, after he released a statement with the US Trade Representative agreeing to "redouble" intellectual property enforcement. While the ColoCall source says Demonoid has backup servers elsewhere, nothing has been restored at this point."

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/6/3223253/demonoid-bittorrent-tracker-shut-down-by-ukrainian-police [theverge.com]

so they're doubledowning and redoubling efforts. Maybe they won't bother with finding out who to prosecute and for what, but that's not the point of eastern european lipservice police work really.

Huge victory for content industry! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897869)

Congratulations! It will now take people an additional 3 clicks to find the movie, game or song they want to steal!

Keep up the good work, guys, people will stop making unlicensed digital copies any day now!

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (4, Informative)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898139)

When Doctor Who started up again Demonoid torrents were the only way us USAians could see it *at all*. It probably helped Who and many other BBC shows get their American deals.

There is definitely advantages for content owners here whether they want to admit it or not.

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898617)

If you think demonoid was the only place to get Doctor Who, you're hilariously incorrect.

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (3, Insightful)

neminem (561346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898627)

You mean except for all of the other torrents that existed in other more actually private private trackers? And probably also public trackers.

I'm not arguing with your main point (New Doctor Who is exactly how I got introduced to the wonderful world of illegally stealing tv shows too), but Demonoid wasn't the only place you could go (I've only ever used it for a few things.)

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898777)

Of course there are advantages, and the BBC was fully aware of all the advantages Demonoid posed. The BBC made full use of those advantages by turning a blind eye to the 'illegal' proliferation of its product all the while weakly protesting their existence for plausible deniability. Now that WHO back to it's glory-days form and the BBC is making lots of licensing money from overseas sales all of a sudden action is taken.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. What have we here? Shame shame on you Demonoid. You've been a very naughty file sharer.

And the rich and powerful get rich and powerful, and the tune just goes on and on.

NNTP (2)

spanky_poppagasket (2644453) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899333)

Viva la Usenet!

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (1)

darkfeline (1890882) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900833)

When Doctor Who started up again Demonoid torrents were the only way us USAians could see it *at all*. It probably helped Who and many other BBC shows get their American deals.

There is definitely advantages for content owners here whether they want to admit it or not.

Ha! You almost got me there. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were suggesting content owning corporation CEOs were intelligent.

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899003)

no it wont

open chrome, preferably on a tor node

with peerblock running type in the address bar "movie/game/song i want to access torrent"

nothing changes for me other than something new will be on top besides demonoid on my search

Re:Huge victory for content industry! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899077)

Peerblock is a joke.

If everything was copied. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897879)

There couldn't have been anything illegal on the servers. Also I doubt the authorities paid a license to copy the IP of Demonoid.

Re:If everything was copied. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898403)

Off-topic since this isn't what happened in this case but it makes me wonder. Since governments issue the permit they have ultimate authority over the IP. At least that's probably what would be argued in cases where authorities break international copyright law.

We live in a world where executive power is shared across countries while judicial review remains in pockets of jurisdiction. We have all of downside of a one world government but none of the benefits.

Traitors. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897891)

Go blow U$tArds d**k too.

Roger Waters understood in the 1990s... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897935)

Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollars and cents,
Pounds, shillings and pence
Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense

[Marv:] "And here come the players
As I speak to you now, the captain
Has his cross hairs zeroed in on the oil rig
He's at periscope depth
It looks to me like he's going to attack
By the way did you know that a submarine
Captain earns 200,000 dollars a year"
[Edward:]"That's LESS tax Marv"
[Marv:]"Yeah, LESS tax
Thank you Edward"
[Edward:]"You're welcome"
[Marv:]"Now back to the game...he fires one...yes
There goes two; both fish are running
The rig is going into a prevent defense
Will they make it? I don't think so"
Look out!
Look at that baby burn!

Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollars and cents,
Pounds, shillings and pence
Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense

OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897955)

OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson on how to conduct a raid on a datacenter. Go in with a forensic team, isolate, copy, preserve, and leave the shit in place. You don't go in with bolt cutters to cables, wipe out businesses of a dozen other bystanders in the facility, seize stuff for months, or prevent businesses from starting back up.

Re:OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (5, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898101)

But that's not as much fun, nor does it appeal to the 'cowboy' mentality it seems a lot of Feds have been cultivating lately. And the collateral damage? Shouldn'tve put your data on a server those eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil terrorrorrorrist pyrates could use! Now go file the appropriate papwerwork, along with the appropriate fees, and maybe, if you're good kids and eat all your vegetables, they MIGHT let you see your (totally legal) data sometime before the Second Coming of Elvis.

Re:OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898249)

Multiple backups.

Re:OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898153)

wipe out businesses of a dozen other bystanders in the facility, seize stuff for months, or prevent businesses from starting back up

You're assuming that this isn't the entire point of a raid: Send a clear message to all businesses on the planet, "don't come in contact with anything near copyright violation, if nessessary, we'll nuke the site from orbit, if that's the only way to be sure."

Re:OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (1)

darkfeline (1890882) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900859)

wipe out businesses of a dozen other bystanders in the facility, seize stuff for months, or prevent businesses from starting back up

You're assuming that this isn't the entire point of a raid: Send a clear message to all businesses on the planet, "don't come in contact with anything near copyright violation, or we'll nuke the site from orbit for the lulz."

FTFY

Re:OTOH, US Law Enforcement could take a lesson... (1)

Shagg (99693) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899429)

Depends on what your goal is.

Bout time (-1, Troll)

efensive (2697763) | more than 2 years ago | (#40897981)

Let's be realistic about these storage services: Sure they offer a good way to store data for those who use it for the right purposes but the reality is that far too many of them KNOWINGLY allow users to upload pirated software, music and so forth. No matter what country a provider is located at, when it starts affecting the homebase (that country's finances come into play), is the only time law enforcement takes note.

As for the shutdown over "malware" ads, doubtful this was the case. There are far too many complaints against entire AS's to RIPE, APNIC, ARIN and so forth that most providers conveniently ignore them as the penalty for doing nothing is usually non-existent. Now, I can see someone moderating this down but ask yourself an honest question, if you spent money and time developing something, how would you feel (honestly) if you saw someone STEALING from you because they posted free copies on RapidShare or MediaFire or any one of these other filesharing sites.

Re:Bout time (5, Informative)

preaction (1526109) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898017)

Demonoid was a torrent site, not a storage service.

Re:Bout time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898043)

It's not theft, it's copyright infringement!

Re:Bout time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898095)

You're an idiot. You don't even know what Demonoid was.

Re:Bout time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898111)

You don't actually know what Demonoid is, do you?

Investigators have copied all the information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40897989)

Torrent plz!

Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898041)

Demonoid is the like TPB. Unsinkable.
For pete's sake, you can download the entire TPB (with all of its torrents) in 90MBs. Maybe the same solution can be used for the demon site.
Or if that solution is not pratical then go the full way to a distributed web portal. Uncensorable, free forum to publish torrent/magnet links and a forum to discuss the latest release etc... Osiris is the name of the game. And we better get used to it.
Oh as a last thing Fuck the US, Fuck the MPAA/RIAA, Fuck Obama and his corporate whores.

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (5, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898103)

As much as I agree that Obama is part of the problem (he's a huge corporatist, allowing banks to get off the hook like he did) he's running against Romney who will do NOTHING except what corporations one. There is no candidate standing that will curb corporate abuse. It's not a party issue.

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898193)

There is no Democrat or Republican candidate standing that will curb corporate abuse.

FTFY.

Third parties don't get enough notice in this nation to be included in such a generalization (which, if all third parties were included, would become false anyway).

A quote I've been trying to spread around: "The only wasted vote, is the one that goes to a Democrat or a Republican."

Here's hoping it catches on...

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898347)

They don't get enough notice because they don't have any actual power and thus business and the rich throwing money at them buys nothing. That'd change if third party candidates got elected. Money and Power corrupt and as a country we've basically decided we are fine with it thanks to the supreme court and citizens united, pacs and super pacs, etc...

Good luck getting any of that reversed when elected politicians eyes are like looney toon cartoon characters with dollar signs rolling and a cash register caching. They won't ever vote to strip themselves of unlimited secret campaign funds and a third party candidate would just take a seat at the trough with the 600+ other pigs.

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (2)

DanTheStone (1212500) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898709)

Good luck getting any of that reversed when elected politicians eyes are like looney toon cartoon characters with dollar signs rolling and a cash register caching. They won't ever vote to strip themselves of unlimited secret campaign funds and a third party candidate would just take a seat at the trough with the 600+ other pigs.

Who do you think passed McCain-Feingold before the Supreme Court struck down the provision? It wasn't a referendum.

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (1)

Shagg (99693) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899475)

You actually believe that if a third party achieved a significant voice in government, that they wouldn't sell out to corporations just as the two main parties have?

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (2, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899599)

You actually believe that if a third party achieved a significant voice in government, that they wouldn't sell out to corporations just as the two main parties have?

Not necessarily, and FYI, I never said anything to that effect. Learn to read what's written, instead of inferring what you want to think is there.

What about you? Do you actually believe it's better to be a good little wage slave who doesn't challenge the status quo, rather than at least attempt to cast off your shackles?

If not, why bust my balls over pointing out that which has the potential to change the political landscape for the better?

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898799)

what corporations one? Was that supposed to be 'want'??

Re:Just like the war on drugs, nobody ever learns. (2)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899739)

If you think Obama, or any member of the democratic party for that matter, is not completely bought and sold to corporate interests, you're a fool. The difference between Republicans and Democrats? There isn't one. Those with a lot of money simply shift where their campaign donations go from election season to election season. Republicans invade countries to fight terrorism, Democrats invade to liberate the oppressed. Does it really matter what the excuse is when the result is the same? If you're voting Democrat or Republican during the next election, YOU are the problem... Not Obama or Romney.

Shocking! (5, Funny)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898105)

There is a Ukrainian law enforcement agency? Who knew?

Re:Shocking! (4, Funny)

HapSlappy_2222 (1089149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898875)

There sure is!

Not only is there a law enforcement agency, but he's a pretty good guy, too.

Re:Shocking! (1)

darkfeline (1890882) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900863)

You know what they say, the best law enforcement agency is the one no one knows exists.

well.. crap (5, Insightful)

lemur3 (997863) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898131)

I know its been said before.. but I think itd worth saying again..

A lot of stuff on demonoid wasnt in print anymore, and there was a big focus on books/other things that arent readily available anymore.

I think that it brings up a big point that we miss when the whole debate of copyright infringement and pirating the newest movies is brought up in relation to these torrent sites.

These places are in some ways the last place to easily access important parts of the culture of the world.... Is it so important to protect the newest blockbuster films at the cost of so many people losing access to bits of global creative culture that they cant access legally ?

Re:well.. crap (5, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898179)

One area that is constantly ignored are the grey-area copyrights (where no one knows who owns the copyright because a copyright holder has gone bankrupt) and the stuff in torrents that is not even in print. Trading that stuff doesn't hurt anyone and, as a matter of fact, often gets them noticed again and brought back into print. Has anyone ever heard a greedhead from the *AAs even acknowledge this?

Re:well.. crap (4, Insightful)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898259)

You'd be lucky to get them to acknowledge that grey-area copyright and out-of-copyright materials even exist in the first place!

Re:well.. crap (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899081)

Being able to access old, out-of-circulation content is a GREAT use for sharing, unfortunately if you are enjoying FREE stuff (even if it's SO OLD IT'S LEGITIMATELY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN) you are NOT spending money to get the latest %BLOCKBUSTER%, and are therefore costing the big media companies. They will only be happy when it is completely impossible to derive ANY joy without paying someone somewhere something (and preferably a portion of that will go to them, or the money will collect somewhere that they can sue to grab it, negotiate to partner, buy it out, or buy some laws to ban it).

Re:well.. crap (4, Insightful)

Shagg (99693) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899661)

Of course they won't acknowledge this. The **AAs are not advocates of the artists, they're advocates of the distribution companies. By definition, they couldn't care less about grey-area copyrights because those don't have anything to do with their business.

Re:well.. crap (4, Interesting)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900589)

One area that is constantly ignored are the grey-area copyrights (where no one knows who owns the copyright because a copyright holder has gone bankrupt) and the stuff in torrents that is not even in print. Trading that stuff doesn't hurt anyone and, as a matter of fact, often gets them noticed again and brought back into print. Has anyone ever heard a greedhead from the *AAs even acknowledge this?

You don't understand. If you're consuming entertainment material that isn't available legally anymore, you're STEALING from the makers of content that is legally available. How can this be? Simple. You have X hours of entertainment time in your week. If there is no free entertainment available, you will purchase entertainment that is not free. By going back to out-of-print material or by dipping into TV/movies that are no longer available, you are wasting your valuable entertainment dollar-hours that should have been invested in Big Entertainment. For shame.

Re:well.. crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898691)

Newest blockbuster movie from 70 years ago...

Re:well.. crap (2)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898863)

A lot of stuff on demonoid wasnt in print anymore, and there was a big focus on books/other things that arent readily available anymore

The files themselves were not hosted on Demonoid, just the index, comments, and tracker. The "stuff" still exists on everyone's hard drives. I'm sure a lot of it will pop back up on other locations. One lesson to learn from this is a big central site is not so good from a security standpoint, it makes too attractive a target. 100 specialized sites catering to different interests would be more resilient, since it makes the work to take them down 100 times harder.

Re:well.. crap (2)

nabsltd (1313397) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899121)

The files themselves were not hosted on Demonoid, just the index, comments, and tracker. The "stuff" still exists on everyone's hard drives. I'm sure a lot of it will pop back up on other locations.

AFAIK, torrents tracked by the Demonoid tracker were not required to be exclusive to that tracker. At this point, it's pretty much all tracked by other trackers or DHT. The only real issue would be the torrents that are not indexed anywhere else...they will still live on, but you won't be able to search for them.

Re:well.. crap (1)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900613)

I wish i could mod you up. This is no different from back when i primarily used FTP, And IRC was nice,
you could get "infringing" things there aswell, but damn i miss the manuals and texts they used to have, in big piles everywhere,
people trading everything in to get their server ratio up.

Sad (1)

Dunge (922521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898185)

Sad to see this go too. In a few years the Internet will only be a weak shadow of it's former past.

Oh it's just the Ukraine (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898219)

If it were the U.S. I'd be worried they'd come after the stored user data & put people into indefinite detainment (under NDAA 2012).

No what? (1)

Westwood0720 (2688917) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898247)

Where is one to get torrents? =[

Re:No what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898339)

Webistes that were better than Demonoid to begin with, just have to know someone who has a spare invite lying around.

Re:No what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898625)

Kickasstorrents (kat.ph) Still better than the rest.

Re:No what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898687)

No, it's not. As previous posters have said, Demonoid had a LOT of old and out of print stuff. Kat may be ok for current stuff, but it doesn't have nearly the depth of content Demonoid gave you access to.

Now what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899129)

Get torrent sites off the "www". They could still use the internet, just not the www. Torrent sites should only be reachable with a protocol that no browser would ever support.

I think that visibility (thanks to the sites using the www and non-techies using Google) is big part of the problem. It made torrent sites too simple for non-techies to get to and rocketed awareness to the top.

Re:Now what? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899235)

Get torrent sites off the "www". They could still use the internet, just not the www. Torrent sites should only be reachable with a protocol that no browser would ever support.

I think that visibility (thanks to the sites using the www and non-techies using Google) is big part of the problem. It made torrent sites too simple for non-techies to get to and rocketed awareness to the top.

Freenet is just sitting there, waiting for people to realize this is what it's for. Trackers and comments and other low-bandwidth stuff would fit well there.

Re:Now what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899635)

Freenet is just sitting there, waiting for people to realize this is what it's for. Trackers and comments and other low-bandwidth stuff would fit well there.

Freenet is based on java and has performance problems.
Osiris (uses C++) + magnet links and you're good to go. No performance penalty of any kind.
Another advantage (at least to me) of Osiris is that the user can decide which web portals to connect to. So you don't have the problem of freenet where a part of the cache is on your computer and you don't know what is in it(among other things child porn). On Osiris if a porn web portal doesn't suit you no problem, you don't connect to it and nothing is downloaded on your computer. This makes it easier to develop communities around specific themes.
And creating an incredible community was one of demonoid's best points.

WTH is Demonoid? (0, Flamebait)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898277)

I know the admins are busy people, but perhaps explaining what Demonoid is and why they'd want to shut it down would be useful. Not everyone knows every website on the internet and their purpose.

Re:WTH is Demonoid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898355)

Apparently not everyone here knows how to use Google of Wikipedia, either.

DDOS (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898353)

So, are we comfortable with officially labeling the DDOS from which Demonoid has been suffering these past few days an act of officially-sanctioned vandalism on the part of law enforcement, local or otherwise? Because this is damned coincidental, if not... and should be terrifying to businesses the world over if true.

Re:DDOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899049)

My guess is the DDOS was to prevent users from updating their details while **RIA via some (government) agency went about shutting the site down.

Email addresses could identify users. Demonoid does keep a history of upload & download stats, but I'm not sure if they maintain a list of torrents downloaded.

yikes, I hope not. I can't remember which (if any) email address I used to register.

Re:DDOS (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900879)

My guess is the DDOS was to prevent users from updating their details while **RIA via some (government) agency went about shutting the site down.

Email addresses could identify users. Demonoid does keep a history of upload & download stats, but I'm not sure if they maintain a list of torrents downloaded.

yikes, I hope not. I can't remember which (if any) email address I used to register.

Good thing I never registered for an account there, eh? But I did search for a torrent within the last 2 years...

Cue jackboots [vimeo.com] in 3... 2... 1...

Disadvantages of 3rd world countries (2)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898449)

The country that tolerates you one day can turn against you the next, and you have little or no recourse.

At least in the United States, if you have enough cash you have access to the courts.*

*Pissing of the feds in ways that invoke National Security(TM) are, sadly, excluded. But as far as copyright violations go, any American has as much access to the courts as he has money to pay lawyers. This is not true in some other countries.

Re:Disadvantages of 3rd world countries (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40898577)

Maybe with "enough money", you can indeed buy justice (assuming your funds are not frozen), but don't kid yourself that we peasants have a chance. I worked with a guy whose entire server farm was confiscated, along with every piece of electronic media in his possession, over a false CP accusation. No charges have been brought in the ten years since, but the guy has yet to see any of his equipment or media returned, despite several lawsuits to that end. It is, of course, hardly worth pursuing at this point, considering the depreciation attached to decade-old server equipment, but that's kinda the point... beyond a relatively short period of time, any length that the courts "hold" your electronic and/or digital property is essentially government-sanctioned theft, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Steve Jackson got his stuff back (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#40900795)

If he hadn't been so persistent, or if he'd had an accusation that caused his friends to desert him, he'd be in the same boat though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games,_Inc._v._United_States_Secret_Service [wikipedia.org] (raid was in 1990, he won the court case and got his stuff back in 1993 or so).

Unfortunately, it's going to take multiple victims of false allegations who are wealthy enough to fight back and win before courts and society will stand up and shame police into doing the right thing when they are in the wrong. In the meantime, some innocent people will be raided or worse, charged and intimidated into pleading guilty (and lying under oath as they do so!) or will be convicted falsely by a jury.

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Is it just HARMFUL or extremely a GREAT DANGER..?? (-1, Offtopic)

Furniture Jepara (2700751) | more than 2 years ago | (#40898675)

Well...if it's already closed but then all the data are already copied,,,then who actually has a big deal with it?? Ukraine government or USA govt..???....what a shame...!!! if everything seems to poke one's need to dominate the world..will it be just harmful or a great Danger..and will it be Ukraine or USA....???/husshhh..(Furniture Jepara [tokojepara.com] )....

Please educate me (2)

dave562 (969951) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899183)

/me admits to knowing.

Why couldn't someone setup a site like Demonoid on Tor, but direct people out to the public internet to actually transfer the torrents? The tracker would exist on the Tor network, but the file sharing would be done on the public network and therefore not saturate the limited bandwidth available via Tor.

Is there something inherent in bittorrent that requires the tracker and the transfer to take place on the same network? Is it so inherent in the application that it could not be separated into two separate components?

Re:Please educate me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899277)

I'm also not aware of any reason this wouldn't be possible, but my thoughts on the matter immediately go to the matter of getting your average bittorrent user to run Tor just to access bittorrent. Not that it's HARD, persay, but there are other systems of filesharing (Anomos comes to mind) that in large part, didn't catch on despite being perhaps easier than accessing a .onion tracker (Anomos used it's own implementation of onion routing and encryption to provide a more private bittorrent-like experience). I'd love to see it tried regardless, but I'm skeptical that the masses will migrate to something like that until all of the major torrent trackers are offline, horribly laden with malware, or when accessing one becomes an instant lawsuit/criminal penalty. If one does spring up though, I'd be quite happy to hear about it through slashdot...if that doesn't spur users on, nothing will!

Re:Please educate me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899495)

Ok I'll do the honors :

The solution is to do away with centralised websites.
Use Osiris, a software that creates distributed web portals. You can create a website, have it hosted on hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of nodes with no possibility to censor anything. The information is synchronized once you get up and running and that's it. It works more or less like Opera Unite, but whereas Unite was dependent on Opera (at least for the account creation) no such thing is needed in Osiris. Each computer user that connects to a distributed web portals has a synchronized image hosted on this computer. A link is posted by user X ? Some time later user's Y computer is updated and he has the link. And away you go with the torrent.
Seriously, this problem has already been fixed. Emule doesn't let you create anything like a community because you have to use a standard forum. Osiris+torrent is unbeatable. We just need to raise awareness about this solution.

Re:Please educate me (4, Insightful)

Znork (31774) | more than 2 years ago | (#40899501)

Technically you don't even need a tracker anymore as magnet links are enough for distributed hash tables, and magnet links can easily be distributed anywhere, while DHT is a builtin component of the transfer network. TPB already operates that way and would work fine on Tor (as far as I know there could already be several such tor sites, can't say I've checked).

After that it'll probably go to i2p or turn over to the various f2f networks available. Sharing technology is already several generations ahead. The only question is really how far the pressure will go to push people towards an utterly unmonitorable network.

Of course, ending up with an evolved completely opaque network has advantages once We The People will be forced to start lining people up against the wall.

Usenet no longer matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899725)

Demonoid was great for obscure hard to find stuff. TPB is ok if you're looking for mainstream stuff, but Demonoid had hard to find things that were *SEEDED*, unlike TPB where you might find a torrent hard to get anywhere else, but its not seeded.

I know some bring up usenet, but usenet is a cesspool for file sharing. Its been flooded with spam and malware and noobies over the last couple of years thanks to the likes of easynews and giganews etc. The nice thing about TPB or Demonoid is you can read the comments of a file and see what others have experienced before downloading anything. Sure there are text messages you can read/download but its stupidly messy and inconvenient, and all usenet clients for binaries suck. Unison sucks the least but I think torrents are far far easier to use. The only real benefit of usenet is speed and perhaps retention. If you use the premium services you'll easily max out your connection. And if you use the NNTP service instead of a webclient like Easynews has you get 1000+ retention. But I've seen torrents still healthy and alive that far exceed what you get from the premium usenet providers.

Safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40899995)

For the users that went to Demonoid, will there be any threat of litigation?

Re:Safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40900351)

Yeah, it's over. We're going away. But at least we'll be together!

You wanna be Daddy, or shall I?

Re:Safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40900569)

But seriously, will they be able to track all the downloads, even if someone hasn't downloaded from there in the past couple of months?

Maybe they were bought by the media corporations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40900721)

I mean, Ukraine could care less what the US tells them what they need to do, but what if these Government officials got some money from the media companies? I hear Ukrainians earn very little and are easily corruptible. Perhaps it's the money that motivated this sort of action.

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