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ReactOS Presented To Russian President Putin

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the putin-rears-his-reverse-engineered-head dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "While President Putin was touring the area of Seliger Youth Forum, Marat Karatov demonstrated what can only be described as a fair amount of daring when he called out to the president and requested to present ReactOS to him. Putin agreed, and the project has now presented ReactOS to two successive Russian presidents. Putin responded to the presentation by stating he would think on it."

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Yay? (0)

tian2992 (1690038) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902793)

Seriously, a russian guy presenting a semi-obscure OS is news today, seems like a really slow news day for slashdot.

Re:Yay? (3, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902865)

It's funny how their site states that all *nix is old crap based on a [sic] 30 year old architecture, whereas ReactOS has been in Alpha state for 16 years and based on a 31 year old architecture.

I guess the best way to deal with ReactOS is to simply IgnoreAndHopeItGoesAwayOS.

p.s. Wine on old crappy *nix has better support for Windows.

Re:Yay? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903005)

This is UNIX vs VMS all over again.

Re:Yay? (5, Funny)

sageres (561626) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903511)

Hey hey ,don't knock VMS! It was relatively simple. Case-in-point (stolen from http://andyxl.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/ancient-vms-vs-unix-joke/ [wordpress.com] )

A young scientist has an urgent job to finish, but disastrously the whole departmental network goes down apart from one ancient VAX. He hears there is an old-timer a few corridors away who still knows how to use the VAX, so he rushes down, bursts in, and insists that the old guy shows him what to do, because, you know, sorry, but this deadline is really important.
“Calm down”, says the old guy, “what do you want to know ?”

“Well, ok, for instance, how do I edit a file ?”

” You type EDIT FILENAME”

“Right, fine, suppose I want to make a copy ?”

“You say COPY FILENAME1 FILENAME2

“Err, right, ok, now suppose I need to delete the file ?”

“You say DELETE FILENAME”

“Ah, right, right, err.. now what if I want to print it ?”

“You type PRINT FILENAME”

“But what if I just want to see it typed onscreen ?”

“You say TYPE FILENAME”

“What if I need to figure out what a command does ?”

“You say HELP COMMANDNAME”

“Ummm.. umm. suppose I want to create a new directory ?”

“You use CREATE/DIRECTORY”

“Ok, ok, but look – how the hell am I supposed to remember all that ?”

Re:Yay? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903039)

IgnoreAndHopeItGoesAwayOS not yet implimented

Re:Yay? (2, Insightful)

gigaherz (2653757) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903077)

The "ignore and hope it goes away" mentality is why it has been in development for 16 years and the progress is so slow. The average Windows user doesn't even know what source code is, and the average Linux user seems to have some sort of hate for Microsoft and everything they do. Which means Windows users don't care, and Linux users hiss like a cat at the mention of the project. That leaves a very small amount of people interested in the project, out of which only a handful have the experience to get involved in the development.

The idea of ReactOS is to be able to reuse the user software, but more importantly the drivers, since most of the consumer devices have Windows drivers that work properly and are supported by the companies that built the device. And do that while reimplementing as many of the system libraries as possible in open source code.

I will admit that I AM biased towards the Windows side of the OS world, nowadays. Part of the reason is that for whatever reason all my attempts at using Unix-based/inspired OSes (that includes multiple flavours of Linux, and Mac OS X) since around the year 2000 have ended in a lot of frustration and me having to repartition my HDD and put the latest version of Windows at the moment back in the HDD. But even when things still appeared to work, I have never been able to agree with the ideas of the POSIX design. That means I am interested in the ReactOS project, and I wish they had more people and resources so they were able to advance faster, and I even donated some money for it, but unless a lot more people to the same, or some organization decides to invest in the project, it will continue to be only a "semi-obscure OS that most people just ignore or hope it goes away".

Re:Yay? (2)

somersault (912633) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903313)

Nowadays you don't have to reformat your HDD all the time, just use VMs. I have a Windows XP VM and a Mint VM that I use with Windows 7 as the host.

Re:Yay? (1)

gigaherz (2653757) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903753)

Yes, it has changed since the early 2000s. I have given up on installing "alternative" OSes natively, and I also keep a bunch of VMs instead, with Windows 7 as the host. I rarely use them, but I have an old XP installation, an Xubuntu installation, an then some other VMs I created for fun, like old alpha of Haiku, or Windows 98 SE.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903751)

HISSSSSSSSSS!

Re:Yay? (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904043)

I have never been able to agree with the ideas of the POSIX design.

What do you dislike about POSIX? A also assume from your post that you prefer the Win32. How do you prefer it?

Re:Yay? (3, Informative)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904115)

All of the reasons you state for the slow progress are true to some extent, but the reality is the project is really really difficult and they haven't done the best job. The win 32 api has been historically riddled with bugs, and is ever changing with every release of windows. Their target keeps shifting before they get close to their old target. Plus they actually froze the code for a year or two to make sure that their wasn't any actual windows code in their code base. I think Hurd will finish before they make it to beta. Heck Hakui went from nothing to a pretty decent beta with binary compatibility with BEOS 5 in less time, due to better documentation and a stable target.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904641)

At this point, why don't they drop win32 altogether, adapt win64 and make the goal of their project to be a Windows 7 replacement? Support win32 only as a VM under Virtual PC or HyperV

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904843)

Any idea what license is ReactOs under? Gpl2? 3?

Re:Yay? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904715)

Well, fortunately win32 will cease moving on them once XP finishes dying. Vista and up are not win32 based, so they can stop chasing the ball.

Re:Yay? (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904145)

*giggle* Thanks, now I'm imagining a bunch of bearded, birkenstock-wearing nerds rolling around on their backs, high on catnip and batting at string...

Re:Yay? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904725)

Why are we all beared and wearing birkenstocks? I don't even know what a birkenstock looks like, nor am I blessed with a full beard.

Re:Yay? (2)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904581)

As a Linux user, I don't hate the project at all. My fear is that as soon as ReactOS became a decent replacement for Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 and started to gain widespread use, Microsoft would hit the project with a mountain of lawsuits. I believe the same is true for the Wine project ( which I assume you also know, winehq.org ) - Microsoft ignores them because they're not successful.

I had problems with Linux at home too. Recent versions have been getting successively easier to install properly and I've been getting incrementally better at diagnosing and fixing problems, and between the two gradual changes I've reached the point where it's my primary home operating system for several years. But I still maintain a windows partitions for games that won't run on Wine, or won't run well on Wine.

I'm biased towards the free software side of the world. All of my industry job experience has been at companies too small to spend the time and money on a central proprietary software licensing system and someone skilled enough to manage it. So every time we replaced a motherboard, or set up a new device, or re-image the hard drive on a laptop that got whacked when a user downloaded a rootkit, or configure a virtual machine we either need to jump through hoops and send Microsoft yet another payment or else use pirated license codes. When I set up a Debian server install, there's no licensing hassle. When I reinstall, there's no licensing hassle. When half a dozen people have defunct XRDP connections to the server and I try to log in, I don't get prompted to purchase more Terminal Server Concurrent Access Licenses (I think that's what TS-CALS stands for, I don't even remember).

Now, for someone not working in IT or maybe even working in IT at a company that can afford the 'correct' solution to these problems (a Microsoft certified somethingorother and a properly configured license management server) these issues never appear. The person buy the computer with Windows pre-installed, they click a few checkboxes to activate the license on a newly installed device, end of story. So I can see why those people view me and others like me and find my strong dislike for proprietary software as bizarre. But Microsoft licensing, and Crystal Reports licensing, and SPSS licensing, and Citrix licensing have combined to push me strongly into the Free Software Foundation supporter camp.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904063)

Um, are you being an idiot on purpose?

Perhaps they have not updated the 30 year quote in a while. UNIX is over 40 years old now. UNIX is older than DOS (the 31 year old architecture you mention).

ReactOS is based on NT anyway, which is only 20 years old.

So, yes, UNIX architecture is 20 years older than the architecture ReactOS is based on. *cough* pervasive async I/O *cough*

Any questions?

Re:Yay? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904181)

I wasn't mentioning DOS, which is obviously a different architecture. I was referring to Windows 1, which DOES still have an impact on current Windows.. atleast as much as 40 year old Unix has an impact on current *nix.

Besides, the point was that it's just idiotic to call an OS architecture bad just because it is older.
Perhaps I should have made this point clearer; not all people seem to grasp the subtle concept of sarcasm.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904547)

How is ReactOs in alpha state for 16 years? NT is 16 years old, and ReactOs has been in development a lot later. Also, how is it based on a 31 year old architecture? At one point, afaik, MIPS & DEC AXP ports were also planned. When, if ever, this is complete, if it just targets Windows7 for compatiblity, it'll be fine. They do need to figure out NTFS support though

Re:Yay? (1)

Stewie241 (1035724) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904629)

This page http://www.reactos.org/en/about_history.html [reactos.org] talks about the history of ReactOS. Notice how it starts with "ReactOS project since 1996". Granted, not all of this was under the name ReactOS, but it was the same people. The page states that "In February 1998, ReactOS began.".

16 years is a reasonable number.

Re:Yay? (5, Funny)

clarkn0va (807617) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903025)

Typical first poster didn't read the article.

Marat however pulled through, taking a bus approximately 2000 kilometers to make it in time...The project would like to thank...Marat for making the day long bus ride back to Seliger

ReactOS is just a cover. The real story here is a bus that doesn't stop every hour so the driver can get out and smoke cigarettes.

Re:Yay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903369)

This is Russia we're talking about - the driver likely just chain-smokes while driving.

Re:Yay? (1)

rvw (755107) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903719)

This is Russia we're talking about - the driver likely just chain-smokes while driving.

More likely he was driving while drinking and chain smoking.

Re:Yay? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904741)

Smoking optional. There was probably an exhaust leak to cater to all your lung-destroying needs.

As long as they don't criticize him (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902815)

Well, as long as they don't criticize Putin in any way, they should be fine. Otherwise their OS will be banned and they will be sentenced to 10-20 years in Siberian prison for patent infringement or minor tax fraud.

Just sayin'...

Re:As long as they don't criticize him (5, Funny)

AuMatar (183847) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902927)

You mean accidentally commit suicide by swallowing rare radioactive isotopes.

Re:As long as they don't criticize him (1)

Dave Emami (237460) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902951)

In post-Soviet Russia, operating system boots you!

Re:As long as they don't criticize him (2)

rvw (755107) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903725)

In post-Soviet Russia, operating system boots you!

In post-Soviet Russia, Putin boots you!

Re:As long as they don't criticize him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904769)

For the Russian version, they should praise Putin in the credits. Once he knows that the OS praises him, he'll make sure that a million Russian software engineers are put on the project. Next thing you know, the OS will be ready really soon

Next thing they could do - reverse engineer & resume manufacturing DEC's AXP 21364. It will be a wonderful CPU given Russian climes

2000km on a bus!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902825)

That has got to be a typo! :O

Re:2000km on a bus!? (4, Insightful)

__Paul__ (1570) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902891)

Not really. Russia is a very, very big country.

Hell, I've seen some bus trips across Turkey into neighbouring countries that'll do 1600km in roughly two days or so. These would be rather short compared to what is probably required in some areas of Russia.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

complete loony (663508) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903019)

Australia's pretty big too, we've (apparently) got a bus service from Broome to Perth that's about 2200km with almost nothing in between. We have longer roads, but no regular bus service that I could find.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903289)

Australia's pretty big too

Uhm.. Russia goes all the way from Finland to Japan, or from Turkey to Alaska if you wish. It goes almost half circle around the north pole.
To say that Australia is pretty big in that context is like saying that a koala is pretty big when talking about bears.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

DeSigna (522207) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903349)

To put that in context, Australia is roughly as big (slightly smaller) as the 48 contiguous US states.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903527)

"The two widest separated points in Russia are about 8000 km (5000 mi) apart"

(google: "width of russia")

"Australia's vital statistics
The continent is 3 700 km from North to South and 4 000km from East to West. "

(google: "width of australia" source: wiki answers)

Australia isn't doing too badly, and we don't share borders with anyone - and there is 20 million people total. Big, unpopulated desert.
(obviously russia is a big unpopulated tundra, but semantics also ;)

Re:2000km on a bus!? (4, Informative)

Jeeeb (1141117) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903477)

Russia is about 2.2x the size of Australia. I think you've been fooled by map projections.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902965)

You must be from the US.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

Fjandr (66656) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903715)

A 2000km bus trip in the US is easy, or are you hung up on the km vs mi difference? Heck, a trip of 4000km by bus isn't unusual in the US.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904051)

Russia (Just Russia not the whole of what was the USSR) is the worlds largest country 6,323,482sq miles (USA is 3,537,455)

The USSR was much larger, Kazakhstan one of the ex-Soviet states is the 9th Largest country ...

But Russia only has half the population of the USA ... so they are very spread out ...

Note From New York you can "only" go 4000 km in a straight line and not enter another country (or get to a coast), From Moscow you can go 6500 km inside Russia in a straight line and not enter another country or reach the sea ...

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904807)

Indeed. 2000km is about 1200 miles. Interestingly the trip from Atlanta, Georgia up to Maine is closer to 1800. That's not even the full N/S length of the continental US, and the E/W length is much longer!

Re:2000km on a bus!? (3, Interesting)

macshit (157376) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903045)

I once took a bus from Seattle to Pittsburgh, about 3500km.

Sitting on a bus for three days, non-stop, was ... not so fun... :(

[Very long-distance trains, by contrast, are actually quite fun, even in the U.S. and Canada where they're pretty slow; rail's great way to travel if you've got some time...]

Re:2000km on a bus!? (1)

xaxa (988988) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903421)

That has got to be a typo! :O

In Britain there's a bus service from Inverness to London, taking 12½ hours to travel 900km (the train takes 8 hours, driving a car about 9).

I can't find a much longer journey even if leaving the country (which has at least a 30 minute break while going through the Channel Tunnel). London to Berlin is about 1100km, anything further than that requires a change. However, less-densely-populated continents could easily just change the driving crew.

Re:2000km on a bus!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903447)

2000km on a bus, YES. Not only is Russia Big, it's even Vast -- it covers 11 (12 minus Belarus?) Time Zones,
with a population of perhaps 170 million people and immense natural resources.

Under a pure but playing field leveled capitalism, Russia could represent a 10% year over year expansion of their
economy for 200 years. For that matter, so could the USA if it abandoned crony corporatism, broke up all the
monopolies, deregulated the economy, and gave up all the M.I.C. wet-dream perpetual war and visions of empire.

*Slaps head* (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902831)

Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

Re:*Slaps head* (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902871)

Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

Oh I don't know. How about using a lot of hardware that doesn't do jack shit under linux ?
Especially audio hardware. Not your consumer oriented crap obviously. And video editor suits etc...

And frankly having a windows clone is as good as having a dos clone.
We can replay all those great pc games (that newer generations don't even know because all they get nowadays are shitty console ports of shitty games).

More choice is good, and even better the day my windows programs will not be taken hostage by Microsoft.
So go ReactOS developers, make the dream come true.

Re:*Slaps head* (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903069)

Why couldn't you use a real Windows installation for those tasks?

Re:*Slaps head* (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903561)

paying 100 euros for a restrictive license is a bit too much. tied to one computer, and over restrictions - remote use is forbidden unless you've strictly got one user running, for one thing. all so that I can play quake 2 and quake 3 based games, etc. again. or even play a doom source port, which does not even runs correctly under linux - a long time bug prevents from using soundfonts with the timidity synthesizer and the default midi is horrendous crap with missing instruments.

I would like a working ReactOS, this would give a lot of the benefits of a linux Operating System, but with working games! and applications such as Ableton, etc. Really, in the end, the benefit of open source for the end user is it's like you have an unlimited, free pool of Windows Server Enterprise Edition licenses and secondary client access/terminal server licenses. or the fact that you can refurbish old computers. a pentium 3 is better and cheaper than a raspberry pi and runs well with a debian/ubuntu variant with the LXDE desktop ; ReactOS would be a fine alternative. though actually, an old PC (10 years and more) will take windows 7/8 as long as it has 768MB or more memory - if you're willing to either use a cracked version or buy a 100 euro license for a computer that's worth maybe 20 euros.

Re:*Slaps head* (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904561)

paying 100 euros for a restrictive license is a bit too much.

So is using software whose goal is to emulate an EOL'd, 12 year old version of Windows, especially when said software has been in alpha for the last decade or so.

Re:*Slaps head* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903209)

all they get nowadays are shitty console ports of shitty games

How can a port be all you get? Do they throw away the original?

Re:*Slaps head* (1, Troll)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902893)

Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

One can't release viruses in open-source if they are based on non-documented API-es... it wouldn't be compliant with DMCA.

(grin)

Independence for Russia (4, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903173)

So that Russians can use Windows programs, of which there are very many, without using an American OS. I imagine that what he told Putin was "if this gets completed Russia can be sure that Windows programs can be run in secure environments with no risk of them reporting back to the US, and you don't have to pay Microsoft anything for it."

It's funny how a lot of people who seem to be American do not seem to get that for a large part of the world the USA is a threat as well as a promise. It's the butt headed attitude that the Roman Empire got into - we are the bringers of civilisation, everybody must love us. Only it turned out that the Goths didn't want it.

Re:Independence for Russia (3, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903381)

"if this gets completed Russia can be sure that Windows programs can be run in secure environments"

Trying to make a bug-compatible Windows clone is secure? You wind up implementing the same design decisions that Microsoft did that makes Windows an unsecure pile. Don't forget that Windows is a *consumer oriented* operating system and the design compromises show it.

It's funny how a lot of people who seem to be American do not seem to get that for a large part of the world the USA is a threat as well as a promise

If you want an OS that is truly international and not dependent on any one country, you want Linux or *BSD or even Plan9 if you don't want to roll your own. It would be cool if the Russians picked up Plan 9 and ran with it. It's got some really good ideas. Besides that, It's easier to write an OS from scratch than to reverse-engineer Windows. It's not like Russia is lacking in the people with that skillset.

Finally, trying to untie yourself from Microsoft and the US by reverse engineering Windows is self-defeating, isn't it? You remain wedded to whatever design Microsoft comes up in the future and chase that forever.

--
BMO

Missed the point (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903639)

No, you don't. I can see you've never worked in a resource-constrained country.

There are a lot of extant programs that don't have *NIX versions and for which the source code isn't available. Let's take Office 2000...please. Let's assume that I am the Russian Government and I have cracked copies of, I don't know, older Photoshop, Office, you name it.

Now someone gives me an OS that runs all those programs but to which I have the source code. Which is easier: to add required new functions to the OS, or to write an OS from scratch that will run all those programs, or to reverse engineer all those programs? Perhaps I don't want the Civil Service running on LibreOffice because all the people who matter are trained on Office 2000. I don't care if the rest of the world is on Windows 9: what I care about is that all my bureaucrats and schools across a vast country are running something which runs my programs with my controls. I can develop new programs and know they won't be borked by OS changes.

Why should I care what Microsoft does? My users are writing Cyrillic script with a whole lot of different cultural assumptions from the Microsoft target audience.

Having lots of brilliant programmers isn't the problem: at the end of the day it is business processes and users. If you are stuck with all those PhDs doing desktop support for Rubuntu (or Pubuntu perhaps), they can't be out there planning the cyber-destruction of the United States, can they?

Re:Missed the point (4, Interesting)

TheLink (130905) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903815)

If ReactOS actually becomes stable and usable I suspect a number of large US corporations might be interested too.

There are lots of corporations that are happy with Windows XP, and the only problems with it is the bugs are no longer going to be fixed, and MS will stop selling it.

Re:Missed the point (1)

bmo (77928) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904183)

Let's take Office 2000...please. Let's assume that I am the Russian Government and I have cracked copies of, I don't know, older Photoshop, Office, you name it.

Now someone gives me an OS that runs all those programs but to which I have the source code

Sure. Wine runs all that old stuff on various other OSes - OSX, Linux, BSD. Faster than Windows does. Heck, it runs WoW faster than Windows does and it does so on already mature operating systems that you don't have to baby to keep from crashing. You don't need an entire OS, just the API.

But then let's look at the idea of running obsolete pirated software on a not-even-third-tier OS. Modern versions of Libre Office, for example, work better than 12 year old obsolete closed-source software, if only for the fact that they can open modern, *standardized* ISO and ECMA file formats. Or are you willing to go through life with Office 97 formats forever? Really? And what if these users want to communicate with the outside world? What happens in 10 years when you've got all these files in 25 year old formats that nobody knows how to read but yourselves because y'all have been using pirated copies of Microsoft Office 97?

Do you make a habit of sending files in AmiPro format? Because that's the equivalent of what you'd be doing in 10 years.

Down that road lies madness.

Your argument is pretty weak and self-contradictory.

--
BMO

Re:Independence for Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40905031)

Plan 9? That would be tied to Lucent - how's that any better? I believe that there was a Russian BSD distro - TrueBSD, iirc. Linux too - I'm sure there are Russian distros

However, why would they be chasing a moving target? They can make Windows 7 their target, and stick with it. Why bother targeting Windows 8 or 9? If MS is having trouble moving users from XP, imagine how it'll be moving users from Windows 7 to 9? And if ReactOs happens to be available at that time & fully functional, not only will people flock to it, but companies like Google would start doing ReactOs based distros

A president thinking about an OS? (2)

aglider (2435074) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902873)

Unbelievable!
Next step: a president taking decisions on programming patterns!
Yeah!

Re:A president thinking about an OS? (5, Funny)

game kid (805301) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902941)

It would sure make negative ads more interesting. "How can he say he's creating manufacturing jobs if he can't even write a factory method!? This man is wrong for our country! You deserve a better President."

Re:A president thinking about an OS? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40902981)

It would sure make negative ads more interesting. "How can he say he's creating manufacturing jobs if he can't even write a factory method!? This man is wrong for our country! You deserve a better President."

He's a politician. He would only be experienced with the singleton and facade patterns.

So does this thing do really do Windows binaries? (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902911)

You'd think you could do what Microsoft was too dumb to try and make a sandbox mode where .exe can't touch things it can't. The easiest way would be to restrict things from getting outside it's install directory, and to make a fresh registry for every application. A lot of .exes wouldn't work, but if they were trusted, you could turn off sandbox. And the future of .exe development would involve working in a single directory.

Am I naive to think the problem is so easy to solve? The problem being rampant viruses on Windows. Viruses you get from running an untrusted .exe. Viruses you get from buffer overflows. Viruses you get from 0 day problems. Microsoft keeps complaining that they can't compete on the online world, but maybe it is because they don't realize the beginning is a secure OS that is safe to run on the Internet.

Re:So does this thing do really do Windows binarie (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903057)

ReactOS isn't just about running .exe's. If that's all you want to do, then WINE is probably what you want (my understanding is that ReactOS and WINE share code to some extent). ReactOS is also able to handle Windows drivers, which WINE cannot handle, allowing for a more complete emulation of Windows.

That said, there's no reason why you couldn't do AppArmor-style security (which is what it sounds like you are describing) on top of something like ReactOS. In fact, there's multiple third-party applications that do it for Windows.

Re:So does this thing do really do Windows binarie (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903999)

You'd think you could do what Microsoft was too dumb to try and make a sandbox mode where .exe can't touch things it can't.

Sandboxing has existed in Windows since Windows 2000 (see SAFER) and has seen updates in every Windows version since.

One enough? (1)

neo12 (1892318) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902947)

Isn't one Win*OS enough to cause misery and pain? Why do we need these clones?

Re:One enough? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903011)

It is open-source. As a developer I would be very happy to step through all the code when facing a hard to explain crash or deadlock. All we get is the call stack.

Re:One enough? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903333)

Isn't one Win*OS enough to cause misery and pain? Why do we need these clones?

Games and stuff.

Really, that's all that I still use Windows for. I hope the ReactOS guys realise that.

Well thats cool (4, Insightful)

Phrogman (80473) | about a year and a half ago | (#40902957)

I am quite happy someone wants to clone Windows to the point where a user can't tell that MS Windows has been replaced by ReactOS. Sort of like a Folger's commercial from way back when.
If they ever complete the project and get a viable version of it, then they have produced a version of Windows that can be run by anyone anywhere without violating Microsoft's copyright etc. It might piss of MS but it would mean and end to them pointing out how popular software piracy is based on the number of illegal copies of MS Windows there are out there, particularly in the third world.
It would also open the door to fixing a lot of the problems that MS ignored, and perhaps they are doing this as they develop it for that matter.
I can't see more free software hurting in any way at any rate, and this lets people capitalize on all the useful software they may currently rely on without having to change or learn new things. User's don't seem to like learning new things unless they are trivial to absorb.

Re:Well thats cool (0)

eugene2k (1213062) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903037)

Rather than cloning that pile of garbage it'd be better to throw your resources into working on a more elegantly designed OS. What with the html5 and web-apps supposedly being the future.

Re:Well thats cool (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903063)

Elegantly designed and HTML5? I don't think that's possible ...

Re:Well thats cool (1)

Phrogman (80473) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903861)

The problem isn't the "pile of garbage" - which I agree is a fair description of MS Windows in earlier incarnations - its the user base and their reliance on all of the software which is MS Windows based. This would free people from relying on Microsoft over time.
Now, is it better to switch to new tools under a more reliable OS, of course it is. Realistically though, most users - particularly business users - are not going to take the plunge and switch from using software they understand to something new that may or may not suit their needs. Arguably this might mean they ignore ReactOS if its ever completed as well.
Microsoft has a stranglehold on the majority of computer users, because its all they know. They rely on MS Office, and other business programs to meet their needs. Where those programs are cross platform then the possibility of switching exists perhaps, but seldom will you find a user who has *all* of their key programs being cross platform and who perceives a need to switch.
Personally speaking, I switched to an iMac desktop 5 years ago and haven't regretted the decision yet. I do all my actual computing on the Mac side, and use Bootcamp to boot to Win7 to play games (which is all I think Windows is really useful for). Other people will of course differ. I have tried to use Linux on many occasions as my desktop but prefer OS/X after extensive use. On the server side I prefer Linux to all other OSes I have tried.

Re:Well thats cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903105)

Maybe microsoft can be persuaded to do a full-code audit and remove crap that isn't need. Even better, perhaps they could be convinced to do a ground-up rewrite.

Impress a dictator day (4, Insightful)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903007)

I don't think that cozying up to a "president" that is in full swing of turning his country into a plutocrat dictatorship and police state while eliminating all opposition is the kind of publicity you want.

Re:Impress a dictator day (2)

skeletal (2597067) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903127)

This Seliger camp is organized by the ruling party of Russia, so all the kids who go there get some good brainwashing about the greatness of russia and what a good ruler Putin is. There they learn how to fight against western imperialists and such good things.

Re:Impress a dictator day (2)

sourcerror (1718066) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903219)

That's exactly the kind of president that will stand up against the bourgeois imperialist Microsoft.

Re:Impress a dictator day (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903393)

Beats being in his way and vanishing.

Re:Impress a dictator day (1)

humanrev (2606607) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903673)

Meh. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. These guys showed their leader an operating system that can run a lot of Windows software without any worry about backdoor access to the yanks. That's at least a way of ensuring you stay in the good books.

Re:Impress a dictator day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904117)

I don't know that the problem is his aggrandizement, or even the plutocracy: some say it's the kleptocracy, and some I have spoken with point-out that this may, indeed, be what Putin is attempting to eliminate. Russia is in dire straights, nobody can get anything done, few want to do business with it (and when powerhouses like the U.S. employ most with small ones, this means that you want more than super-conglomerates to be able to invest, arrive, stay, and feel good about it): far easier if you just have to go through one guy, but probably not something he as a sinle force can accomplish, and bad for Russia after he eventually dies (leaving behind a powerful apparatus).

But if you want to see his thinking, note he's supporting traditional organizations, hosting international ones, the Russian orthodox church and Byzantinism: Russia's countryside is medieval, its cities are aborting, drugging, and drinking themselves to death: seems like an Augustus-like move to start supporting morals again when it's already too late (or probably so).

But I don't know. It's quite complex, messy, and we can't get all the info. I hope to visit Russia some day, maybe learn the language: I hear that for an English speaker it rivals classic Greek due to a combination of cases and the number of irregular verbs: sounds like a fun challenge.

who the fuck would use a Russian OS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903015)

Russia has about as much trust and goodwill as the mob. Maybe if the Russians can go a week without releasing a new malware on the world I might consider using any of their shit, until then boycott Russia.

Re:who the fuck would use a Russian OS (1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903655)

The answer to your rather stupid header is "Russians, of course". Are you a Russian?

Deja vu? (1, Informative)

EETech1 (1179269) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903155)

Wasn't this from about a year and a half ago, or did it happen again?

It should show up in related stories, but that'd be asking too much.

Re:Deja vu? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903247)

It was last September, but Putin was not president then (he was prime minister). As the summary says, this makes two Russian presidents in a row; the previous one was Medvedev. And, by golly, the link to the Medvedev story is in the summary.

Wine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903285)

I hope the government of Russia decides to fund Wine (which ReactOS is built on).

Re:Wine (2)

sageres (561626) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903545)

Russian government already thought about it, and after long consultation with the industry techs and the government officials, instead of funding Wine they decided to fund Vodka.

ARWINSS (4, Informative)

slacka (713188) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903403)

For anyone that wants to try ReactOS out, I highly recommend the ARWINSS fork, which is a new Win32 subsystem for ReactOS that reuses as much Wine code as possible. The ARWINSS architecture implements APIs exposed via USER32 and GDI32 libraries and is based upon Wine source-code. In my testing the stability and compatibility was much better then the official release. You can find it here:

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/Arwinss [reactos.org]

Re:ARWINSS (1)

devent (1627873) | about a year and a half ago | (#40904095)

It's just bafflest me that anyone would actually want to use a Windows re-implementation. It's just like you choose the worst of both worlds, bad architecture, more bugs and all viruses.

Do you really want an architecture, that is not POSIX, not a Unix, with the drivers letter-soup, where you can't just open a file in multiple applications, that does not offer a package manager, with the worst file manager ever (the explorer).

Why not just use Linux and Wine, so you have the best of two worlds? POSIX, Unix architecture and Windows applications.

Re:ARWINSS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904187)

It baffles me that you don't understand that 90% of the world uses Windows and wants something like that.

At what point do Linux zealots (a subset of the Linux users who are perfectly normal) "get" that people *have* voted and they voted for Windows, not Linux.

Sell those people on what *they* want, not what *you* think they want and maybe then you can be baffled why it took them so long.

HINT - POSIX compliance is NOT an end-user feature...or a feature that 99.999% of the computer users in the world give a damn about.

Re:ARWINSS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904375)

Windows-only drivers. That's basically the whole reason, and if it doesn't apply to you, then of course *n*x+wine is a better choice.

Clones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40903575)

I'm surprised Zynga haven't cloned it yet...

The Patrician (1)

TiberSeptm (889423) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903615)

Whenever I hear or read a news story about Putin I always end up being reminded of Lord Vetinari, Patrician of Ankh-Morpork.

He would doubtless be flattered... (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about a year and a half ago | (#40903949)

I have no idea where Vladimir Putin lies on the scale from evil KGB dictator to enlightened ruler trying to extract Russian from its appalling history, but, had he ever read the books, I rather expect he would be flattered by the comparison.

In Pratchett's books, Vetinari travels the reverse way from, say, the Assads or Stalin. They start as probably quite well meaning and gradually become more paranoid, violent and repressive. Vetinari starts as a repressive ruler of a backward city state and, as it rapidly advances technically and socially, gradually becomes more liberal and devolves more power to the general public.

Again??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40904869)

http://www.osnews.com/comments/25155 :-)

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