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The Google-fication of Yahoo!

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the they're-feeling-lucky dept.

Yahoo! 242

Hugh Pickens writes "Since coming to Yahoo!, CEO Marissa Mayer has added a weekly, Friday afternoon all-hands meeting, just like at Google; she announced that henceforth the food in Yahoo's URLs Cafe will be free, just like at Google; and she has begun prepping major changes to the layout of the work spaces and buildings of Yahoo to make it feel more collaborative and cool, just like, well.. you get the idea. Such focus on improving cultural issues is an interesting initial move by the neophyte CEO, since the care and feeding and, most of all, cosseting of employees has been a critical element to Google's success at creating an always-sunny work environment. But Mayer has been up to much more serious business, said several sources, especially product innovation as the savior for Yahoo: Better email! Better search! Better ad-serving! And a special plea to make Flickr awesome again! In other words, better every product Yahoo has to offer. 'This is the sound of Yahoo becoming a technology company again,' says one source. 'It will be all about platforms and products.' Sources say that will likely mean a big splashy tech or product deal in the days ahead, perhaps via an acquisition to signal the new direction, perhaps with the acquisition of a sexy product like Flipboard. In the meantime, many at Yahoo are bracing for a pack of current and former Googlers — Mayer had a lot of loyal staffers — to come on board, writes Kara Swisher. 'And, by the looks of all the Googley changes at Yahoo, they'll feel right at home when they get there.'"

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The obvious next shoe to drop... (5, Funny)

Mike Van Pelt (32582) | about 2 years ago | (#40907669)

Cue "Workplace Culture Patent Violation" lawsuit in 3... 2... 1...

Re:The obvious next shoe to drop... (1)

hackula (2596247) | about 2 years ago | (#40907795)

But we have invested years of research and billions of dollars into desk configuration innovation, damn it! How will we recoup our investment!!??

Re:The obvious next shoe to drop... (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#40907909)

Google now has a clone: SuckToo!

Good (5, Insightful)

tooyoung (853621) | about 2 years ago | (#40907697)

I hope that they succeed. It would be nice to have multiple viable search, etc solutions, rather than one good provider and awful competitors.

Re:Good (5, Funny)

locopuyo (1433631) | about 2 years ago | (#40907741)

Yahoo search used to be powered by Google. Now it is powered by Bing. Which is powered by Google.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907923)

InB4 MS shill apologists.

Re:Good (2, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#40908027)

And all of it powered by Al Gore's internet!

Re:Good (0, Offtopic)

P-niiice (1703362) | about 2 years ago | (#40908125)

I find it funny that conservatives still find this funny.

Re:Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908211)

I'm not a conservative and I think the fact that Al Gore charters a private jet to fly somewhere and lecture somebody about the environment is pretty damn hilarious.

Re:Good (1)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#40908405)

I am not conservative, and I know what Al Gore meant when he said that.
I also know what Ted Stevens(R) meant when he said the internet is a series of tubes.
Both still amuse me, as the implication is that it was something put together so simply that it could be explained away so easily.

Re:Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908033)

Yahoo search used to be powered by Google. Now it is powered by Bing. Which is powered by Google.

If it were really powered by Google, it would work better.

Re:Good (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908147)

Bing is the Samsung of the search world. They copy google's results but then fuck them up.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908057)

You know that turned out to be bullshit, right? There's plenty to trash MSFT for without perpetuating false allegations.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908157)

Damn! Too late. [slashdot.org]

In an age of universal deceit, the truth is revolutionary.

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908291)

Go Fuck yerself AC. Just because someone claims that shills will post here, that discredits any opposing viewpoints? You might as well just turn on Fox news and stay home with that attitude.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908355)

No, AC, go fuck yourself. There is no controversy over whether MS pilfered Google's results. They admitted it. The manufactured spin in this case that you girls drink like spiked Kool-Aid is that somehow that's "okay" because their toolbar users clicked through an installer allowing them to do it. Nobody reads those and MS took advantage of that fact to steal search results. You apologist drones are a pestilence.

Re:Good (2)

tooyoung (853621) | about 2 years ago | (#40908091)

What would happen if Google started pulling results from Yahoo!?!?!?!

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 2 years ago | (#40907751)

It's amazing that a CEO can come in and say "Make a better product!" and it comes as a shock to everyone. And I don't want to take away from what she's doing, on the contrary, I applaud it. Focusing on employees and quality products versus focusing on financials and Wall Street is a huge step in the right direction for any company. It's just sad that it's newsworthy.

Re:Good (2)

zlives (2009072) | about 2 years ago | (#40907771)

hmmm next stop RIM?

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

Ami Ganguli (921) | about 2 years ago | (#40907973)

Hear hear!

It's sad to see clueless MBAs come into tech companies and try to cut their way to profitability. It never works, but they keep trying it again and again (cue famous quote about the definition of insanity...).

About time somebody tried a different approach: take care of your people, and build great products. And remember that nobody does great work with an axe hanging over their head.

Time to buy some Yahoo! stock - they've found themselves a CEO with a clue.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907769)

Well, Yahoo farms out search to Bing, and it's actually pretty darn good at this point. And I hope she keeps using Bing, rather than Google, if only because it gives Bing enough market share that SEO scumbags now have two targets to try and game, meaning they can try and game both and (probably) fail, or target one or the other and leave half the market unpolluted. Monoculture and all that. As far as the other products, yeah, I really hope she improves the situation. Right now they're way behind in pretty much every category other than Flickr, and that's been under pretty steady assault...

Re:Good (2, Interesting)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#40907961)

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907983)

Inb4 MS shill spinmeisters.

Re:Good (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#40908077)

Oh, FFS, that's the second time this crap has been repeated in this thread. Bing does not use Google Search, but it does use the results from the Bing Toolbar. Some 'clever' Google engineers sent some pages containing links to nonsensical search terms to Bing via the Bing Toolbar and then, amazingly, these became the Bing results for these search terms. The Google Toolbar does the same thing, and you could no doubt use it to produce some choice search results on Google for nonsense terms too.

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908179)

How droll and utterly predictable [slashdot.org]

In an age of universal deceit, the truth is revolutionary.

Re:Good (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#40908267)

Seriously? Check my posting history and you'll have to try very hard to find something complementary that I've said about Microsoft. I've had this account for almost 10 years, so unless I sold it there's very little chance that it was created to shill (and, let's face it, even very low UID Slashdot accounts don't sell for enough to make it worthwhile selling them). I do, however, get tired of people repeating one company's FUD and then calling anyone who calls them out on it a shill. Microsoft, Apple, and Google all spread FUD about each other. Stop repeating it and do some actual fact checking. Bing copies Google is up there with Macs don't get viruses and Get The Facts.

Re:Good (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40908201)

Got a source that's not Google marketing?

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908273)

Hey, dummy, it was never a question on whether Bing copied results from Google. The controversy was whether they were entitled to do that via their toolbar. To the unscrupulous masses (read: people like you), what they did was okay. To people that actually believe in moral quid pro quo what they did was devious, underhanded, and wrong. And since morality is a socially agreed upon construct, that makes what they did de facto wrong. Now have fun being their pet apologist for the day.

Re:Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907967)

meaning they can try and game both and (probably) fail, or target one or the other and leave half the market unpolluted

Are you retarded? Them dropping Bing would make this more likely to happen which is one of your favored outcomes.

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#40907871)

Hell, it would be nice to have one good search engine at this point.

Re:Good (1)

tooyoung (853621) | about 2 years ago | (#40908023)

Fair point - if Yahoo implemented the old Google interface (you know, the one from before they decided they had to be Bing), I would switch immediately.

It's already working (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907699)

My partner had job offers from yahoo and google. Yesterday, he turned down google and starts working for Yahoo in a couple weeks. Last month it would be unthinkable!!

- Johhnn

Re:It's already working (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908133)

FYI: You're^H^H^H^H^H Your "friend" is a fucking moron.

Re:It's already working (2)

cduffy (652) | about 2 years ago | (#40908445)

Your "friend" is a fucking moron.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Google may be a big name that looks good on a resume, but their payscales (ya know, actual cash compensation, the type that pays a mortgage) are crap.

Goohoo (3, Interesting)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#40907717)

Personally I don't think its the best idea to try and turn Yahoo into Google, it needs to find its own strengths and play to them, and tackle new markets where there aren't many established superplayers just yet, in order to compete on a more even footing.

Re:Goohoo (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#40908025)

True, trying to compete head on with google in their core products isn't a great plan. Don't expect yahoo docs or yahoo adwords kinds of things, nor a yahoo mobile operating system. But Google does have a culture that could apply reasonably well to any software product business in terms of employee productivity, satisfaction and coordination and cooperation.

I think the big challenge for yahoo is to compete, but be different. They have search and have e-mail, and have since before google offered those products. So those foundational businesses have to innovate to at least keep pace and look like they're still a player in the market. That doesn't necessarily mean the core search technology needs to be innovative, but the way it's presented or interesting search info that goes with it etc. Pretty much the only thing I like about the yahoo front page is the 'trending now' box, that is mostly celebrity gossip nonsense, but the concept could extend well to 'trending now in tech, trending now in sports' etc. The big area is the ancillary services, flickr, yahoo travel (is that even still around?), accessibility, which is a premium market they could go after. The core ad business probably has room to innovate in providing tools for companies to host ads from their website, but have them populated from a back end ad server (to get around most ad blocking), and that sort of stuff as well, that google doesn't really bother with.

Re:Goohoo (5, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#40908219)

Yeah, that though would have been OK 15 years ago. Yahoo had its own strengths, it was an innovator, and did some awesome stuff like the first genuinely useful webmail, the my.yahoo.com thing, and - OK, probably not as useful if implemented today - but the original directory based search was awesome at the time.

But it doesn't really have any strengths right now. It's a husk of its former self, a company that' had no ideas how to run itself as it got larger, and thought "I know, let's just copy all the other faceless corporations" was a great way to fix everything. Its founders left because they neither understood how large corporations work, nor understood the problems that go with that way of working - the stifling, anti-creativity, anti-individualism that such corporations inflict upon their employee base.

And it's hard, really, to think of a technology company that's following that model that's actually doing OK at the moment. Maybe Amazon is there, I don't know, but Amazon has a Jobs-lite like character at the top, so it just about gets away with it.

Copying the way Google works? Well, Google is innovative, encourages its employees to be creative, and seems to be being rewarded for doing so. If you're a large Internet concern that's been going in the wrong direction for a while, looking over at Google seems to be a good approach.

Re:Goohoo (4, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#40908473)

OK, probably not as useful if implemented today - but the original directory based search was awesome at the time.

Speak for yourself. I'd love a really good directory based search. The web is just much larger. Imagine being able to type in something like, "mail systems api" or "sound file formats" and getting a directory of 6-25 sites all on that topic rather than having to hunt.

Re:Goohoo (1)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | about 2 years ago | (#40908459)

Yahoo doesn't have any strengths or innovation though... It's been dying for years and anyone left who has the technical ability required to save it will soon be jumping ship to somewhere they can get equity and be bought by google or facebook in a few years. Applying strategies which worked for start-ups (free food, regular meetings) just isn't going to work here. It's cargo cult management.

Spam filters on finance message boards. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907721)

For some inexplicable reason, YHOO's financial message boards still get lots of hits, despite being absolutely inundated with spam that the simplest of Bayesian filters could catch, yet GOOG's finance product languishes in obscurity.

It's only a matter of time before someone takes advantage of the failure of Yahoo's stock boards to manage spam and steps into this space. Unless, of course, someone with a fucking clue were to step in and save it. Retail traders may be idiots, but they're a targeted market with disposable income, and they generate clicks in a way that even email users barely do.

Sweet (4, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#40907727)

she announced that henceforth the food in Yahoo's URLs Cafe will be free, just like at Google;

That goes a long way to creating a happy work place right there.

15 years ago I worked in a place where it took you 10-12 minutes to get past security, walk through the building, across a large area, go up an elevator, get in your car, go through two more security checkpoints, just to get on the main street. Half your lunch break was spent in transit, and you were only allowed 45 minutes.

You were not allowed to eat at your desks, and no break room was provided. Well, it did exist, but it was more like a closet hallway with a two seat mini table. Not set up to allow dozens of people to eat lunch.

There was a 3rd option.... the cafe at the bottom of the building where the owner realized he had a captive audience and made airport food prices seem cheap in comparison.

Yeah... something like this at Yahoo would seem like paradise to me.

Re:Sweet (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40908283)

I would have ate at my desk anyway.
And when they fired me, call the State Dept. of Labor to show them photos the the one-table breakroom. Not providing adequate breaktime facilities for eating is a violation of State law. I could walk-away with millions in punative damages.
Of course the reality is they wouldn't fire you,
because they know they'd be sued.

We Have To Modernize (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#40907729)

We have to modernize Yahoo so that when Microsoft and Google want to buy us out we can demand top price!

Re:We Have To Modernize (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 2 years ago | (#40908067)

I agree....paving the way to a smooth acquisition by Google. I didn't read the article, but.....I don't see anything impressive here. This is just basic stuff that doesn't contribute to the viability of the company. Yahoo is not Google, they had better be careful with this, and Google has had issues with innovation and execution lately, so I don't know if a copy of Google culture is the right thing. Cute, novel, something is happening, but......

Re:We Have To Modernize (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 2 years ago | (#40908085)

Reminds me of nesting......whoops!

Googlizing won't save Yahoo. (1)

fatherjoecode (1725040) | about 2 years ago | (#40907735)

Importing Google culture may help in the short term but I can't see it helping Yahoo get it's groove back.

Re:Googlizing won't save Yahoo. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907797)

i can see it making a tremendous change, short-selling my house to invest in yahoo, yes i will be living out of the box for the short term. but with yahoo's imminent return to power i will be rolling in dough once that happens.

see any one can make blanket statements without a leg to stand on

Re:Googlizing won't save Yahoo. (4, Insightful)

metrometro (1092237) | about 2 years ago | (#40907945)

Not sufficient, true. But the thing a new CEO needs most of all is time, and making some trivial but highly visible and generally popular changes that can be implemented in hours will buy her the time to actually address real problems, while giving the press something to talk about besides her uterus. The lady ain't dumb.

Do they discuss.... (1, Funny)

Reasonable Facsimile (2478544) | about 2 years ago | (#40907737)

... security measures at these all-hands meetings?

http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/12/yahoo-confirms-apologizes-for-the-email-hack-says-still-fixing-plus-check-if-you-were-impacted-non-yahoo-accounts-apply/

Goolified? (2, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 2 years ago | (#40907761)

Googlified?
It's all been tried
With smooth visage
Can't take our pride
Burma Shave

The Rise of Flickr (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#40907789)

The thing that excites me most is the possibility of Flickr getting some real momentum behind it again. Even now I still prefer Flickr over other photo sharing services, and it would be great to see it get first class status among the users of the internet.

Re:The Rise of Flickr (1)

bityz (2011656) | about 2 years ago | (#40907887)

I second that

Re:The Rise of Flickr (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908021)

Shut up you lying faggot. You started using Flickr after Instagram "sold out". Fucking Apple shill punk bitch.

Missing the point (3, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | about 2 years ago | (#40907799)

"since the care and feeding and, most of all, cosseting of employees has been a critical element to Google's success at creating an always-sunny work environment"

Actually, the first and foremost reason for Google's success has been its people. And Yahoo has been taking a beating long enough not to have the same caliber of individuals at this point...so cosseting them isn't exactly going to give the same results as Google gets for taking care of their own employees. Not that it isn't a good idea, but I think Yahoo needs to come up with more compelling reasons to work for them, instead of an up-and-comer (which they absolutely are not, unfortunately). I'm a huge fan of companies providing perks for their people; both scientific studies and my own personal experience show that you get a much bigger ROI on those than on straight salary bumps, for the most part. But they aren't going to improve your company's bottom line automatically.

Re:Missing the point (1)

crmarvin42 (652893) | about 2 years ago | (#40907889)

I think these changes could be a step on the path to solving the "acquiring top calliber talent" problem. There was mention of recruiting google staff, whom would expect these policies, but there is also the competition factor. If I'm offered a job at google and Yahoo both, who do I go with? Minimizing your disadvantages as much as possible is a good move in that context, as long as free lunches aren't your only selling point.

Resistence is futile (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#40907819)

By the time they realize that are doing all things as being part of google won't care if they become assimilated or not.

I use Yahoo to avoid Google (5, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40907821)

Yahoo mail to avoid google mail
Yahoo (or duckduckgo) to avoid google search
Mozilla or Opera browser to avoid google browser
And so on.
I have not found a workaround for youtube, but I don't like having google gathering all this data about me & creating a profile. I want to use alternatives as much as possible.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (3, Insightful)

glwtta (532858) | about 2 years ago | (#40907953)

On the off-chance you're actually serious - you really think Yahoo isn't collecting exactly the same data as Google?

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (2)

TheLink (130905) | about 2 years ago | (#40908075)

Of course they are, but if Yahoo has part of the data and google has the some of it, facebook/etc the rest, they are less likely to share the data with each other. Better than Yahoo or Google having 100% of the data.

Make the various parties work and pay more for it.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#40908199)

A cynic would say that they may be collecting it, but judging from their recent share price they're not as good at exploiting what they've recorded. A more pragmatic person would argue that it's better to have two (or, ideally, more) companies with partial tracking information about the population than one with a complete database.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908305)

He didn't say he was using Yahoo and Google, he said he was using Yahoo to "avoid" Google. You tinfoil nutballs should just use tor in a private session if you're that scared of getting an ad that might actually apply to you instead of something you'd have no idea what to do with like a condom commercial or something.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#40908347)

>>>On the off-chance you're actually serious - you really think Yahoo isn't collecting exactly the same data as Google?

Wow you dense cracka
The point is to separate the information so no one company has all the data. Google knows what videos I watch but not my email or search or browsing habits. Yahoo has my email habits. Duckduckgo has search habits. Mozilla & Opera have the browser history/cookies. NONE have a complete profile.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908389)

You aren't really saving anything by using yahoo instead of google, the NSA sees it all, for better or worse. I worked for yahoo in their Richardson, TX office , my start date was Mar 30th, 2010 (I don't give a damn if they identify this "anonymous" post), the same day the LHC started it's Higgs boson search http://press.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/releases2010/pr07.10e.html . I thought I was just working on web services. Lo and behold, Yahoo had a system called ATLAS for "encoding videos" and another system called CMS for their "content management system", sound familiar? Since I am an uber-nerd I would entertain myself by reading the LHC logs at https://lblogbook.cern.ch/shift as part of my usual blog download. Apparently the network spies thought I was some sort of uber-physics-hacker and started to generate rumours around my existence and function since really, really weird shit started happening with regards to UFOs at the LHC, the timing of which would exactly coincide with "outbursts" of activity in the office. UFOs are "Unidentified Falling Objects" thought to be dust particles in the beam pipes, but I would also read UFOs of the legend kind on various blogs for entertainment and theorizing, so the double-entendre nature of the coincidence was not lost on me. The code name for the office was RICH/MUD for Multi User Data center .. and RICH just happens to be also Ring Imaging Cherenekov detector as part of the LHCb collaboration. When this weird shit would happen in the office (monitors popping, some sort of ill-defined energy building up on peoples bodies and leaping into electronics) the word MUD would be specifically mentioned in the LHC logbooks and people in the office would be acting really unusually, for instance, my boss would stomp around yelling angrily about stephen hawking, gravity, and Obama in various sequences. There was rumours of the company being involved in a "top secret military project", which I found to be disconcerting and offensive since I oppose violence. This one nut-bag cornered me in the break-room one day (he used to work for the CIA, or so he claims) and told me that "spiritis and entities" were in the office. He must have realized how crazy this was because right afterwards he tried to preemptively discredit me to my boss I guess in case I told him what he said. I did not have eye problems or migraines prior to working for the company, now I do. Some times you could literally feel the microwave resonance from the 22 satellite dishes above our heads converge on unfortunate frequencies which would cause people to respond with deer-in-the-headlights responses or seizures. I quite the company when I literally thought I might die from it and we were all being treated as guine pigs. I wish well of my colleagues who are still there and hope that these problems have went away.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 2 years ago | (#40908011)

I have not found a workaround for youtube, but I don't like having google gathering all this data about me & creating a profile.

You don't think Yahoo would like to do the same thing?

You'd trade one information overlord for another. For all I'm concerned about Google's information-collating abilities, Yahoo has a track record of more problems with data security than Google.

In the end... if you want to be plugged in to technology services, you have face the fact that the service providers will also be plugged in to you.

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (1)

zerro (1820876) | about 2 years ago | (#40908263)

I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords...

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908061)

Yeah because Yahoo isn't building a profile on you right? Right? Oh and protip: your Youtube alternative is called http://www.vimeo.com/ [vimeo.com] . You can tip your tin-foil hat to me later.

Vimeo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908377)

Vimeo = youtube

Re:I use Yahoo to avoid Google (1)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | about 2 years ago | (#40908487)

Have you found a reliable vendor of tin-foil hats? I'm concerned mine may be bugged by the government.

Beware trying to change its sex. (1)

courcoul (801052) | about 2 years ago | (#40907823)

Key word in the text was "neophyte". Since this is her first at running such a big outfit, and since she has scant time to get it rolling again in a profitable direction, she takes shelter in what she knows. However, the employee base she gets is radically different than that at Google. No ultra-picked pack of uber-nerds that need scant supervision, much less handholding to whip up a frenzy of new products. The legendary Google work environment is tailored to such an employee base and letting loose a less motivated and focused group in so many distractions can be very risky. If things spiral out of control, Yahoo will circle even faster down the drain and her tenure may even establish a shortness record.

Easy Improvement for Yahoo! Finance (2)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about 2 years ago | (#40907827)

I've said this several times before (including in feedback to Yahoo), but I'll say it here just in case anyone from Yahoo! is actually paying attention:

In Yahoo! finance, you really need to give users the option to chart dividend-adjusted price (or, equivalently, "growth of $10,000 investment"). Charting the raw stock price isn't very useful, especially for mutual funds that pay out substantial dividends or capital gains distributions at the end of the year (when the market isn't tanking). Those payouts cause the price to drop, but it's not an economically meaningful drop -- no money was lost. If you try to compare two securities, or compare a security to an index, and the price drops off a cliff every December (again, the drop means nothing), it's just not useful. Yahoo! has the adjusted price data needed to make a useful chart (it's called "Adj Close" in the "Historical Prices" table), it just doesn't give the user a way to chart it.

Re:Easy Improvement for Yahoo! Finance (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about 2 years ago | (#40907931)

In addition to the comment above, which would make charts on Yahoo! significantly more useful, I'll also point out a bug:

Since you started displaying live, auto-updating security prices recently, I've noticed that the price change and percent change are not kept in sync. Sometimes, one value will be positive while the other is negative for the same security. Just in case this is a browser compatibility issue, I'm using Seamonkey 2.3.3 on Linux.

Re:Easy Improvement for Yahoo! Finance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908107)

The Yahoo Canada finance page http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/ [yahoo.com] defaults to USA markets when you enter a stock symbol.
An easy detail to fix. (Just to be clear, it should default to Canadian markets)

Style or substance? (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | about 2 years ago | (#40907835)

If all it took to turn a bunch of dullards into software superstars was a ton of free food, then every company would be piling in (and putting on the pounds). No, having a positive working environment ends with positive reinforcement. It starts with a hierarchy that values and promotes good ideas and doesn't do what most organisations spend their time doing: coming up with reasons why they won't work.

Hopefully her next action will be to purge the middle layers of the organisation and lose all the naysayers who have no clue how, or desire, to innovate.

fuck u (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907865)

fagets

Fix Yahoo / Flickr (3, Informative)

Wowsers (1151731) | about 2 years ago | (#40907875)

I propose that Yahoo gets it's finger out of it's backside and fix Flickr. For months I've been trying to get a "pro" account to upload more photograhs than the standard freebie 200. However like many other complaints in the forums, Yahoo seem to not be bothered in fixing the billing system, many can't log in to even create a billing account, others can't pay or renew what they have. Sounds a bigger problem then just re-arranging how the chairs and desks are in an office for better Feng shui.

Re:Fix Yahoo / Flickr (3, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#40908099)

This sort of thing is where I think it's important that the CEO of a company drink the proverbial kool-aid and actually try and use their own products. Mayer is a geek - if she tries to use any yahoo services she'll probably find what is redundant, what is broken, and what is missing. All things yahoo needs. Badly.

Re:Fix Yahoo / Flickr (1)

elvis the frog (580312) | about 2 years ago | (#40908195)

Yahoo seem to not be bothered in fixing the billing system, many can't log in to even create a billing account, others can't pay or renew what they have.

Wow! Good point. Seems like a common anti-pattern throughout the industry. I could fix this, and I know of a dozen others who could too. Who's responsible for the Flickr brand?

Why this may not work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907895)

Let me preface this with "the plural of anecdote is not data". I have no real stats to back up what I'm about to say.

I still use Yahoo. Yes, "shocker", and that's part of the problem. I've been using them for like... 10 years. About as long as I've been on Slashdot (but that's a separate issue).

Assuming that many of Yahoo's users fit my profile, these steps will not only fail to rejuventate the company but may actually backfire quite badly.

My computer is older too. I'm not interested in paying the early adapter tax. See the trend? I found something that worked. If it ain't broken I'm not going to fix it. I'll even keep using it when it needs a little sticky tape. This is *literally* true for my computer, which has sticky tape holding the left mouse button in place.

Our demographic doesn't spend as much as the cool iStuff demographic. At first blush, it makes sense to try and attract them, and to hell with guys like me, right?

The problem? No ammount of re-working can make Yahoo "cool" to the iKids, and too much re-working will make it broken to me.

I'm on the record in my Tweet stream with, "there's nothing wrong with Yahoo that couldn't be fixed by rolling back to a stable release from 2010". You can argue about the year; but it's hard to argue that Yahoo has gotten much return on their new development.

Yahoo might be going down a path that ends with no new customers, and old customers leaving. I'll be sad if it comes to that; but it's just one more AJAXy script that stalls the browser away from making me search for a new provider.

Pre-Assimilation Program (1)

Muramas95 (2459776) | about 2 years ago | (#40907897)

I am glad Yahoo is getting ready for their Google masters by changing their ways so when Google feels it is time for them to amalgamate that there will be little compatibility issues.

What about platforms (3, Funny)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 2 years ago | (#40907905)

Marissa should bring Steve Regge onboard so he can teach Yahoo people to eat their own dogfood and build a common platform around Flickr and YIM that will be API accessible for 3rd party developers to develop an ecosystem!

Re:What about platforms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908169)

Steve Yegge, not Steve Regge.

Incredible (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907915)

A second giant corporation will treat it's employees properly?

Does this mean Armageddon is coming twice?

Lots of luck to them. Google is good, but needs some real competition to become better.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908143)

Will it mean people will learn to treat the apostrophe properly?

my motto (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about 2 years ago | (#40907939)

If you know something that works, copy it.

Yahoo mail (2)

SnowHog (1944314) | about 2 years ago | (#40907947)

I don't suppose they'll drop the practice of charging an annual fee for the privilege of email forwarding. Quite a nasty move, IMO.

Gniahahaha hhhuhuuh hhuuuuuuuuuhahahaha (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907959)

"I'm brilliant! click"

HHhAhhahhaha uuhhh nnnnnnuuuyy HAHahahahahhaaaa

It's about the people as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40907999)

Last time I interviewed at Yahoo! (it WAS a while ago), I could see the problems that eventually have hurt the company. The manager was rather self-righteous and obsessed with buzzwords and names of methodologies, giving me examples and demanding to know which researcher's approach I would take to solve the issue. That bottlenecked, narrowminded thinking limits innovation and stifles flexibility, as something a little different can often get good results faster and less expensively.

I'm hoping that manager isn't there any longer, but it really showed, at the time, that both the culture she created and the people she tended to hire would...well...bring Yahoo! to a lot of the problems it has experienced.

How about being the ANTI-GOOGLE? (1)

toddmbloom (1625689) | about 2 years ago | (#40908005)

We don't want a Google clone. We want a company that actually CARES about technology and just about being an advertising company.

She's the anti Kellie Pickler (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908047)

Kellie put on this public persona of a vapid blonde bimbo but is actually quite clever in real life. Marissa just seems like the total opposite.

Not new, but cyclical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908059)

My wife was a fairly high-level employee at Yahoo during the first dotcom boom, and from what she'd told me about her time there, these are exactly the kinds of things Yahoo used to have implemented during their first heyday, and subsequently were phased out once the bottom dropped out.

Better email! Better search! Better Ads! (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 2 years ago | (#40908083)

So this means they'll ditch Bing for ... something else, and maybe add things like labels and tags to their email platform.

I'd be worried at Microsoft - this could end up looking in the same mould as Elop at Nokia.

The truth will out in the EPS numbers (1)

elvis the frog (580312) | about 2 years ago | (#40908123)

'This is the sound of Yahoo becoming a technology company again,'

This seems to be a the latest fad corporate makeover meme (but it's been around a few times). Somebody realizes that only outfits with lots of good technology and technology people are going to dominate in technology-based business. Except, oops, the technology people were all driven away to brighter realms. All the company has left for technical staff are operations/engineering/sysadmin "do-ers" who "just do it" despite the institutionalized anti-patterns. Now a new ceo comes on board and they want to "bring back the technology culture". Most of the time the non-technical CEO turns out to be a cargo-cultist...YMMV with those funny religions.

Earnings Per Share sits in final judgement...

Offices? (1)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 2 years ago | (#40908161)

"layout of the work spaces"

People at Google don't get (individual) offices, right? They're either in big open areas or share offices with several other people?

Do Yahoo employees (currently) get offices?

I consider it a big benefit to have my own office (with a door I can close, though I usually leave it cracked open).. Though I would even prefer a cube to a shared office in most cases.

Sandals and Hawaiian Shirts (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 2 years ago | (#40908191)

Next step...

Welcome back to the 1990s.

Prediction: Yahoo teams up with Oracle (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#40908241)

So, when will Yahoo team up with Oracle and make an underwhelming Phone OS: yPhone powered by Oracle's Java!

Note: Prefixing "Java" with "Oracle's" will be made mandatory, on penalty of TOS violation.

Better email! (1)

johnw (3725) | about 2 years ago | (#40908333)

The "Better email!" target is the one they need to work on first.

Every time I have to correspond with someone with a BT/Yahoo e-mail account I have to explain to them how to check their spam folders for lost messages. They always find other ones there too which Yahoo's dreadful spam filter has consigned there without consultation or good reason.

BT/Yahoo e-mail should come with a health warning.

Copy the good parts, drop the arrogance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908363)

If Marissa manages to implement Google's flat hierarchy and solid build/development environment and the other good bits like reasonable amount of bureaucracy she might have a winner. I just hope she doesn't copy Google's arrogance. It's get old really quickly to see Googler's brag about how they are 5+ years ahead of the rest of the industry (like if the engineers working for other companies were idiots) and looking down at other companies achievements.

In short, copy Google's best practices and fire the condescending assholes, of which there are plenty working for Google right now.

--

The Strong Jas

Please clean up http://www.yahoo.com/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40908471)

The homepage of yahoo needs to go. There must be over 200 links on that page!

Friday afternoon lynching (1)

ErnoWindt (301103) | about 2 years ago | (#40908485)

I don't know who came up with the idea of Friday afternoon meetings but unless they're accompanied by quantities of alcohol, they usually end up becoming modern day equivalents of lynchings or Soviet-era show trials. They have the great potential to end up destroying morale and productivity. Meetings in general are a tremendous waste of time (IMHO) and a large company is better served by very brief, daily morning meetings among teams or daily updates via some other means of communication, rather than stopping the entire operation dead for an hour or two on a Friday afternoon.

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