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Acer: Microsoft Surface 'Negative For The Whole PC Industry'

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the not-that-they-have-a-dog-in-this-fight dept.

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Shortly after Microsoft announced its upcoming Surface tablet, there was speculation that it might sour the company's relationships with OEM partners. Statements from an Acer spokesperson indicate that's definitely the case. The spokesperson told Bloomberg, "On one hand Microsoft is our partner, but on the other, Microsoft’s move makes them compete not only with us but all PC makers. We think that Microsoft’s launch of its own-brand products is negative for the whole PC industry." The company is reportedly considering whether or not they want to keep relying on Microsoft's software products.

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I didn't know Acer still made computers (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40910887)

Most hardware vendors are Microsoft's bitch, and they have NO ONE to blame but themselves. They've been loving this relationship with them. I don't think PC manufactures can do anything.

Re:I didn't know Acer still made computers (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911493)

I wonder how many people at ACER have apple products. The fact is, these companies cant make good devices so the software companies have to start doing it. I don't blame MS one bit.

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Amen.

Pot Calling The Kettle A Racist Word (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40910917)

If anyone is bad for the PC industry its Acer. Short of those $70 netbooks you find on Craigslist, Acer is the bottom of the barrel.

Re:Pot Calling The Kettle A Racist Word (4, Interesting)

graphius (907855) | about 2 years ago | (#40911759)

I have owned a couple of Acer laptops over the years and they were great bang for buck. They were cheap and broke down, but by then I wanted an upgrade anyway. Buying a higher end machine would have still been out of date, I would still want to update, and the resale value would not pay back the difference I initially paid...

I think it might be good (0)

Lord Lode (1290856) | about 2 years ago | (#40910935)

More variety, more competition.

Plus, actual users of desktop PC's will be more advanced users so we might get less dumbed down software too!

Re:I think it might be good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911059)

You have a skewed view of the desktop market. The VAST majority of uninformed malware fodder are Windows users.

Re:I think it might be good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911439)

Who will start using Windows on a tablet, dumb fuck. His implication was that only people doing "real computer work" will be using desktop computers and that might translate to less dumbed down software. You know, because the "uninformed" will move to tablets leaving the informed using desktop PCs. Do you get what his point was? Are you posting from a tablet?

Re:I think it might be good (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#40912197)

yeah, but then desktop pcs will go up in price.. way up.. out of the reach of most of us.

2013 (4, Funny)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about 2 years ago | (#40910937)

Is the year of the linux desktop!

Re:2013 (5, Funny)

StripedCow (776465) | about 2 years ago | (#40911353)

I'm not so sure. According to MS, it will be the year of the notebook with a stand to keep the screen from falling flat on the table.

Re:2013 (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 2 years ago | (#40911543)

Wait ... So Microsoft does *not* think its the year of the linux desktop? Well, that doesn't make any sense.

Re:2013 (5, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | about 2 years ago | (#40911395)

I mean seriously who else are they going to use. There was a time when a *nix desktop might work. Several years ago Lenova agreed to purchase a billion in MS licenses and install them on all their machines because any computer that is sold without a MS license is considered a pirate machie. Then, there are all these OEM who depend or are afraid of MS so they pay protection fees to MS, like HTC and Samsung because any *nix phone infringes on the IP of MS. It is one thing for apple to say the design is too similar to iPhone, it is another for MS to say it owns *nix, which is what Android OEMs are saying every time they give MS $10.

In fact in this market MS should be happy if everyone starts using non-MS OS. Look at the facts. Samsung is paying MS at least a half million dollars a year for the right to use Android. OTOH, MS has to pay Nokia $250 million to use MS phone OS. Which is better for MS?

Back in 200 when Apple showed that *nix could be used as the basis for a Desktop OS, I thought some of the major MS partners might go this route and develop a consortium to create a desktop OS for PC users, using emulation such as we see with WINE. Of course they were happy sucking the teats of MS and making the easy money. It would have been too much work for them to develop and innovative product.

Re:2013 (1)

styrotech (136124) | about 2 years ago | (#40912005)

I mean seriously who else are they going to use.

Has Google given up on Chrome OS yet? Just curious - it's been quiet for a while in that dept. Maybe x86 Android some day?

(Yes I know they both use the Linux kernel, but they aren't a Linux Desktop in the usual sense)

Re:2013 (4, Insightful)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | about 2 years ago | (#40911481)

Actually thats true. In the post-pc computing era 2013 is the year when Android will have sold more copies then Windows 7. With the post-pc era I'm talking about pc, smartphones and pads merged into one market for computers.

Currently the linux distrubution Android is outselling Windows 7 with about 50%. By the end of 2013 Android will have delivered
more units then Windows 7. In the longer run - with the current sales continuing - we are looking into future a situation where about 3 of 5 of the post pc era computors will be running a linux kernel and most of the others splitting with running Windows and iOS.

Well, unless the linux kernel distributions penetration and market share of sales goes up even more of course.

Re:2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911799)

Thank you for your informative post, however: please learn the difference between 'then' and 'than'.

Re:2013 (1, Informative)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 2 years ago | (#40912225)

A little reality check:

Most folks who are getting those smartphones are updating their phones every 2-3 years when their contract runs out with their carrier.

Most folks continue to use the same PC for 5+ years before upgrading.

So the larger Android output is very much tenuated by the devices far higher churn rate.

Re:2013 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911795)

i think the year of the desktop has come and gone

So? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 2 years ago | (#40910941)

Of course they don't want to rely on microsoft, that was a stupid position to get themselves into in the first place. NEVER rely on a single source for anything of any importance!

MS isn't going to hurt the industry as a whole, only the OEMs since it wont reduce sales, just shift them. There's not a lot the OEMs can do about it, they need MS and MS don't need them.
MS can treat the OEMs however they like and they will still keep lapping up whatever scraps they are fed because they have no choice now.

Re:So? (3, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40911035)

Of course they don't want to rely on microsoft, that was a stupid position to get themselves into in the first place.

Acer already makes a line of Android tablets. If those were selling brilliantly, we wouldn't see Acer voicing any concerns. But they're not selling, and Acer isn't keen they were left out of the initial group (Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba, Samsung) to build Windows RT tablets, selected by Microsoft. It's no wonder Acer was left off the list, given the crappy hardware they produce.

Re:So? (3, Informative)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40911213)

Acer already makes a line of Android tablets.

There are more products available for Acer to manufacture than Android tablets and Windows PCs. They're heavy in the personal computing sector but in addition to owning the largest franchise retail chain in Taipei, they also make storage devices, displays, smartphones, projectors, televisions, and peripherals none of which are dependent on Microsoft's goodwill. In 2011 they only pulled in 200 million on 16 billion in revenue so PC sales are almost certainly not making them a ton of money anyway. They're in a tough spot but it isn't all doom and gloom even if they do stop making PCs.

Re:So? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 2 years ago | (#40911301)

MS isn't going to hurt the industry as a whole, only the OEMs since it wont reduce sales, just shift them. There's not a lot the OEMs can do about it, they need MS and MS don't need them.
MS can treat the OEMs however they like and they will still keep lapping up whatever scraps they are fed because they have no choice now.

I think you underestimate the importance the IBM-PC clones [wikipedia.org] has had on MS Window dominance (and on the ascent of the Open Source as well).

MS reaction (why am I not surprised?) is "me too", trying to walk Apple's way, but without the perception of "cool, trendy, fashionable" Apple has - so MS has something to lose by reducing the impact surface on its market, especially if it walks in the "hardware exclusivity" area (look [guardian.co.uk] how well XBox does - with "unexpected losses" April this year).

On the other side, the OEM-s are likely to consider more seriously other alternatives, e.g. android tablets, low cost all-in-one Android based PC-es, lowish//medium price desktop linux boxen, etc. Won't necessarily be easier for them, but they do have alternatives.

One on top of the other, I bet MS will be the one that's going to be hurt the most.

Re:So? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911451)

but without the perception of "cool, trendy, fashionable" Apple has

That ship sailed long ago, the most common smartphone is the iphone, the most common tablet is the ipad...apple are the new microsoft, the defacto choice but with a bit more lockdown. Not saying they're bad or anything but they aren't "cool, trendy or fashionable" anymore, they are the average.

Re:So? (5, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#40911679)

People won't buy android desktops anymore than they'll buy android netbooks, why? Because if it looks like a PC it had damned well better run PC software, aka windows software, or they will take it back!

This is why I wish the OEMs would sink some cash and back ReactOS, because whether anyone wants to accept it or not there are millions of programs out there that people want and they simply don't want your hardware if it don't run their software. Everything from that stupid little program that came with their camera to all the little funky printers and hardware to bookkeeping, there is just too much time and money invested for most to switch. And don't even bother bringing up alternatives, the cost to switch a user from program A to program B is simply too high and honestly a lot of the current FOSS software just don't cut it, no way you could replace QuickBooks with gnuCash, or some specialized inventory software with a simple spreadsheet, it just won't cut it.

But this is why you see MSFT royally fucked when it comes to ARM, because the sword cuts both ways. Why the hell would they want Windows if the device won't run Windows X86 software? Well as we can see from WinPhone the answer is "they don't" so as i see it the OEMs have one of TWO choices...1.-get something like ReactOS running so people can have their software on X86 while they can get out from under Steve "LOL I think I work at Cupertino! herpa derp" Ballmer or get out of X86 altogether and see how old Steve-O likes having to actually BE Apple and do the whole damned thing himself.

Because you can't just slap Linux or Android on an x86 box or laptop and sell jack squat, it just don't work. Dell has tried it, Walmart, Best Buy, Asus, they all tried it and found the exact same thing over and over AND OVER, folks try their software, software don't work, unit goes back. People don't know Operating systems from operating tables folks, that's a fact. I've seen it myself when it comes to netbooks which according to my customers are NOT general use computers but "baby laptops" and as such should run all the everyday stuff they want, only slower because babies are smaller and weaker than big people.

No different that how a tablet is a "big screen i poke and play games on" and a smartphone is a "phone that lets me Google" so too does the X86 desktop and form factor come with notions you simply aren't gonna be able to remove, instead they'll simply hate your guts and bring your units back en masses. Nobody wants to learn how to use Wine, Google for tricks and fixes, learn CLI, all they want to do is go "clicky clicky" and have the software install and go, that's it. that's all they want.

Personally I think the OEMs are getting upset over nothing, surface will end up on woot! at 80% off, Win 8 will be the new MS Bob as the butt of all the jokes, Win 7 the new XP, and hopefully Steve "I heart Apple herpa derpa!" Ballmer will finally flush enough Redmond money down the shitter the board gets his fat sweaty ass out of the big chair and brings someone with a fucking brain to run the company. Hell I'm a little shop owner in BF nowhere and I could run that fucking company better!

Re:So? (2)

graphius (907855) | about 2 years ago | (#40912023)

How about this scenario....

- Tablets are seen as a content consumption device that doesn't really work for Work or creating said content.

- People still want a "real" laptop/desktop and don't want to pay for a touch screen

- Windows 8 flops like a dead fish (yeah, I know it is a mixed metaphor, but it is kind of visual...)

- Developers, Developers, Developers start writing and porting software to Apple and then Linux, as they are the most desired platforms for a Desktop (Read not a tablet)

- Since Linux is easier to customize than Apple, power users start to use it

- Joe Sixpack sees power users using Linux

- And then gnome developers f**k it up more than it is now and everyone moves back to Windows 9

It's a great move. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40910957)

I've been thinking it for a long time. Microsoft NEEDS to make their own hardware. They NEED the bubbled off environment that lets them make a good product. They NEED to stop trying to build for the lowest common denominator. Apple has been doing this for a long while now. Their products "Just work" because they are in a closed environment where testing can be done in a realistic matter. I hope to see them take this further and lock out desktops and Laptops to their own manufacturing.

Sure it sucks if you are a manufacturer, but there are other options out there for your gear. Android and Linux come to mind.

Re:It's a great move. (4, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#40911147)

Microsoft NEEDS to make their own hardware.

That just shows how badly distorted the PC market is.

The OS is just one component of a computer. Microsoft should be just one parts vendor amongst many, then we'd see real competition and innovation.

Re:It's a great move. (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40911603)

I don't know, there's something to be said for a standardized platform to ensure your software and hardware can all work together. Even within the industry there are very few vendors when you get down to it: AMD or Intel. AMD/ATi or Nvidia. Intel or Broadcom. The higher you go in terms of complexity, less variety is actually more cost effective; that is, reducing the number of hardware/software permutations leads to an ecosystem where a consumer can be assured that software package X will work with hardware combination X Y Z and operating system W. In a world of dozens of competing graphics chipsets, CPU architectures, and OS platforms, I think everyone would be so busy making sure everything worked together, there would be no appreciable gain in "real competition and innovation."

Re:It's a great move. (1)

Lynchenstein (559620) | about 2 years ago | (#40911239)

Unfortunately, MS will continue to build for the lower common denominator even with the Surface tablets and perhaps other computing hardware down the road. Unless they plan to completely obliterate their PC hardware partner relationships, they'll be building OS and other software for those bottom-of-the-barrel manufacturers as well. Now, if MS were to create and enforce higher standards, you may see better overall quality start to emerge. With higher standards come higher prices as well. Disposable hardware is what makes Windows so attractive to many, and MS is just has happy to sell a Windows licence for a POS laptop or desktop as they are for a high-end gaming laptop or workstation.

Apple does it backwards - they have a disposable OS (OSX) in terms of cost while their hardware pricing is way up there. Until now, Apple has been the only one to design their OS and hardware themselves, thus reducing complexity and therefor cost. MS will still be at a disadvantage in terms of complexity as they will continue to support nearly infinite hardware configurations with their OS, with lost of legacy support built in as well. If MS would like to become the next Apple (it still makes my head hurt to type that), they'll need to cut the ties to their old way of doing things with hardware partners and go their own way with HW and SW as one. I just don't see that happening.

Re:It's a great move. (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about 2 years ago | (#40911671)

Now, if MS were to create and enforce higher standards, you may see better overall quality start to emerge.

That's what they are doing now, setting strict hardware requirements for their new products so you don't end up with legitimate crappy low end devices like some of the cheap Android tablets and you only end up with decent performing ones (like the Google-branded Android tablets).

MS will still be at a disadvantage in terms of complexity as they will continue to support nearly infinite hardware configurations with their OS, with lost of legacy support built in as well.

With Windows 8 yes, but the break from that is Windows RT (though at this time i'm not sure i see that product appealing to many people).

Re:It's a great move. (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 2 years ago | (#40911399)

I've been thinking it for a long time. Microsoft NEEDS to make their own hardware. They NEED the bubbled off environment that lets them make a good product. They NEED to stop trying to build for the lowest common denominator. Apple has been doing this for a long while now.

Maybe they NEED to do it... but I bet they won't succeed (Apples success is not an indicator for MS chances).

Second: don't tell me the shitload of "security updates" MS OS-es needed in the past was caused by the diversity of the hardware they were supporting (I don't know how many updates are needed nowadays, the last Windows OS I used was XP).

Re:It's a great move. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#40911411)

Of course "Just works" is the joke people tell about Apple, and those that believe it. It goes hand in hand with "You are holding it wrong". Obviously the Apple products "Just Work" because any problem with them is due to the consumer "holding it wrong".

Re:It's a great move. (1)

Bonobo_Unknown (925651) | about 2 years ago | (#40911855)

Wouldn't it be funny if after all these years Microsoft adopted Apple's business model?

Whether or not they want to keep relying on MS? (1)

toygeek (473120) | about 2 years ago | (#40910959)

As if their gonad piercings aren't chained directly to MS? Please. Give me a break. What are they going to do, install Linux? License OSX from Apple? That'll last as long as the first grandma trying to open a forwarded power point file.

Re:Whether or not they want to keep relying on MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911065)

Yes, because windows is incredibly easy to use for grandmas.

Re:Whether or not they want to keep relying on MS? (5, Interesting)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40911097)

Profits for PC integrators is already strained to the breaking point. The logical conclusion of what MS is doing here is that the OEMs will either diversify like Samsung and Sony or just one by one go under. MS has looked to Cupertino and seen the light. They see that 100 Billion dollar pile of cash Apple is sitting on and they have a pretty clear idea how they got it. And there is nothing Acer or Dell or anybody else can do because win32 is too deeply entrenched and we are nowhere near an heir apparent. WinRT is only available to the blessed chosen few and all MS has to do is just stop selling OEM copies of the desktop version. I'm not suggesting they are about to do this tomorrow but should they choose to, the "partners" that are dependent on PC sales to stay afloat are done.

If only IBM had a solution (2)

kwerle (39371) | about 2 years ago | (#40911157)

Time to bring back OS/2!

Re:If only IBM had a solution (1)

PenisLands (930247) | about 2 years ago | (#40911943)

PENIS

Mass revolt against MS? (5, Interesting)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | about 2 years ago | (#40910977)

So, we have:
- Dell (project Sputnik. Partners with Canonical to sell Linux PCs)
- Valve (Steam for Linux)
- Blizzard (only blasted Windows 8, not announced their contingency plan yet)
- Mozilla (Windows 8 revives the IE browser lockin)

and now Acer
how can you not take the "think twice" line as a threat of defection

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (3, Insightful)

ianare (1132971) | about 2 years ago | (#40911299)

Dell has already sold several different consumer grade systems pre-loaded with Ubuntu, but never with much publicity (/. notwithstanding) and therefore not in significant numbers. These efforts have also not lasted too long. This time may be different, but first let's see if they actually release it, at this point it's still vaporware.

Valve is a big deal for Linux, but they haven't said they would stop supporting Windows, so to MS it's not an immediate danger. Sure, some people may no longer need to boot into Windows as often, and a few may remove it entirely from their systems, but I highly doubt it will lead to a big decrease in Windows licenses sold.

As you said, Blizzard has not publicized any plans for a possible strategy shift as Valve has.

Mozilla is an obvious anti-MS, Firefox was started in part to restore open standards on the web, IOW, to loosen IE's iron grip on the web.

Don't get me wrong, as a longtime Linux-only user, nothing would please me more than my favorite OS getting some much needed attention from important software and hardware companies, especially at the expense of MS and/or Apple. I just don't think it will happen any time soon. Look at LibreOffice, it's free and roughly equivalent to MS Office for the average non-professional user, but it has yet to gain any kind of significant traction. And as long as MS has a hold on Office, Windows will be around.

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911661)

Yup, I'm also looking forward to seeing my favorite OS gaining more attention. I'm particularly expecting for better hardware support and gaming capabilities.

However, I'm also a bit wary about it. Imagine the year of Linux desktop, where laptops would be preloaded with Ubuntu AND bloatwares. And then users would have to install antivirus on it to stay protected. In those days, using Linux desktop would no longer be a cool thing, because even grandmas would be using it. Basically the things that we hate from Windows would eventually move to Linux desktop too.

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (1)

Lynchenstein (559620) | about 2 years ago | (#40911327)

I suppose it's possible, but I don't see that happening. They - the manufacturers - may bitch and whine about MS building their own hardware but they should just shut up and focus on besting MS's efforts. Linux is great and all, but it doesn't have the "cool/shine/duh" of Apple nor is it the "standard" that is Microsoft. Until there is Photoshop for Linux (native, not some Wine kludge (or the Gimp)) plus a crowded "Linux" section at GameStop, Linux just won't rate. Recall the Linux on netbook failure for evidence.

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40911501)

Recall the Linux on netbook failure for evidence.

Didn't Microsoft have to start giving Windows to netbook OEMs for free so they'd stop shipping Linux?

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 2 years ago | (#40911843)

Add to that:

* Asus (Making x86 and ARM tablets running Android - they've been doing PCs for years)

Re:Mass revolt against MS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911969)

how can you not take the "think twice" line as a threat of defection

Because I am not a sheep and can think for myself.

And OEM's alternatives are... (3, Insightful)

metrometro (1092237) | about 2 years ago | (#40910981)

Where are they going to go?

Option A) Yes, they could just pick a Linux distro and run with it. But now they're a software company, and they don't want that. Most of these things are publicly traded, and they don't have margin to do a year of no profits while they spin up of a new division without getting killed in the markets.

Or option B) they bitch a little and keep selling Windows.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (2)

ianare (1132971) | about 2 years ago | (#40911071)

Option C) Keep selling windows, but partner with a Linux distributor as a back up plan. Canonical would be a good candidate for such a partnership.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911219)

Partnering with Redhat would be another option.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (1)

ianare (1132971) | about 2 years ago | (#40911361)

RedHat's main product, RHEL, is not a good choice for a consumer product. Great for servers though, where it can already be bought pre-loaded from a variety of different manufacturers.

Fedora could be a candidate, but is generally too flaky for mass deployment, and there are no support contracts available for it. RedHat would have to be convinced to get back into the consumer Linux market, something which they have explicitly avoided for a number of years now.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911607)

RedHat's main product, RHEL, is not a good choice for a consumer product. Great for servers though...

Great, as long as you never want to upgrade those servers, nor need a decent library of packaged software. RH recommends against in-place upgrades WTF?! In the versions of RH we run at work, even clamav, and things like puppet aren't packaged (forced to run RH on a few boxen due to proprietary software company requiring RH, or wouldn't have any RH /derivatives in our shop).

Agree RH isn't good for consumers.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (1)

ianare (1132971) | about 2 years ago | (#40911707)

Eh, I like Debian better myself, but the pointy-haired types like the feeling of security that comes with the support package. Also, some server hardware requires it.

It does the job well though, in my experience it has been solid and stable.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (2)

fwarren (579763) | about 2 years ago | (#40911205)

If MS goes 100% propritary someday and cuts the OEMs out alltogether, they will have to jump at some point. Here is the problem.

Pioneers take all the arrows.
The second Mouse gets the cheese.

If they jump to soon, they take the brunt of the transition and will likely go out of business. If they jump to late, they will have to much debt from not leaving the party sooner. By that point switching won't matter.

I think everyone sees the hand wirting on the wall. They just want somone else to come up with a viable way out first before the follow.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#40911323)

I'm sure that with just a little support from the manufacturer Canonical will be happy to make Ubuntu run well on their machines.
While OTOH right now I'm trying to make this TimeLineX behave.
There's some very good deals on Sandy Bridge TimeLineX out there at WalMart, TigerDirect and probably all the other usual suspects too. They're probably cleaning out inventory to launch Ivy Bridge. I was looking to replace a netbook but found that real 14" SB laptops are about the same price and generally cheaper than anything except crappy Atoms. I was thinking about a 12" AMD E-series but they're much more expensive.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40911713)

I'm sure that with just a little support from the manufacturer Canonical will be happy to make Ubuntu run well on their machines.

I think that between Canonical, Google, Ubuntu, ChromeOS, Android and some pissed off former PC OEMs there's a market in there somewhere. Of course this could all be a ploy by Acer like what happened when MS bent over and started selling XP for 15 dollars a copy for netbooks when Linux got a little too close to the castle gates for comfort.

Re:And OEM's alternatives are... (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40911681)

C) Sell something else. Most PC OEMs have other businesses even Acer. Think about vendors like Samsung and Sony. They could get dropped from MS tomorrow and still be banking.

Wa wa (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#40910983)

Stop your crying and focus on your products.

I used to love Acer back in the 1990s as they had quality products. My CRT 19 inch screen lasted until a few years ago and the color quality and craftmenship was amazing. Today?

They are not the same company. I needed a 2nd source of income a few years ago and worked at an office store. Guess which machines had BSOD on display even! Acer. Guess which ones were always returned? Acer. Guess who has no tablet presence? ACER

  Samsung and Asus kicked your ass while they were ants to you at one time. Sorry Acer you lost and it is time to stop blaming others like Microsoft and go fix yourself if you want to compete like Samsung did who had little to 0 presence in your market just a few years ago to one of the top sellers today.

Re:Wa wa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911761)

Dude, they sell their product with a commodity OS. By definition it is going to be a race to the bottom. If idiots like you wouldn't buy cheap shit and then cry about it companies like Acer would be happy to make better products and charge you twice as much. Of course they can't do that because the manufacturer's product sitting right next to their's in Best Buy that has the identical OS and runs the identical programs has a thinner hinge and is thusly a 20 spot cheaper. Ergo, that manufacturer gets all the sales and Acer is sitting there looking stupid with an unsellable product. Newsflash bub: only Apple can sell expensive laptops and make gobs of money because Apple isn't selling a commodity product. You want OS X, you buy Apple. Period. Acer has no choice but to sell cheap shit as a consequence and Windows computers will always be cheap shit because MS set the market up that way by selling to anybody with a pulse.

Re:Wa wa (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#40911839)

Dude, they sell their product with a commodity OS. By definition it is going to be a race to the bottom. If idiots like you wouldn't buy cheap shit and then cry about it companies like Acer would be happy to make better products and charge you twice as much. Of course they can't do that because the manufacturer's product sitting right next to their's in Best Buy that has the identical OS and runs the identical programs has a thinner hinge and is thusly a 20 spot cheaper. Ergo, that manufacturer gets all the sales and Acer is sitting there looking stupid with an unsellable product. Newsflash bub: only Apple can sell expensive laptops and make gobs of money because Apple isn't selling a commodity product. You want OS X, you buy Apple. Period. Acer has no choice but to sell cheap shit as a consequence and Windows computers will always be cheap shit because MS set the market up that way by selling to anybody with a pulse.

Not too. Samsung makes excellent products and Asus too is fairly well for most of their products. They use the same parts as macbooks and is not cheap generic shit. The sole reason why Microsoft came out with the Surface is to competition for Apple quality like Windows products. Acer is crying like a loser.

Also read again? I am refering to Acer being the crybaby. Not me as I buy Samsung and Asus now and wont touch Acer. I am typing this on an Asus computer and I won a Samsung Galaxy S. The sole reason Acer is losing is because their products suck and customers are buying Apple, Samsung, and others.

Acer seems a little sour (3, Interesting)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40910991)

Seems like sour grapes to me. Microsoft picked Asus, Lenovo, Toshiba, and Samsung to launch Windows RT tablets (they also picked HP, but HP declined, and decided to focus on x86 tablets instead). Acer is not on that list, so these words are no surprise. You don't hear any of those companies selected speaking out against the Surface.

Source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/07/24/asus-lenovo-toshiba-samsung-to-launch-windows-rt-tablets-this-year-others-await-microsofts-permission-in-january/ [unwiredview.com]

Re:Acer seems a little sour (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911023)

HP just got screwed in the tablet biz they wouldnt do it

Re:Acer seems a little sour (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911653)

Seems like sour grapes to me.

So from the comfort of your easy chair you can just arrogantly slough his concerns off as sour grapes and that's just it? Maybe what he's saying has merit?

Hi, consumer here (5, Interesting)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 2 years ago | (#40910993)

Dear Acer ( and everyone else ):

Please give me what I want at a price point I want it at, and I will buy your product. I have no loyalty to any specific vendor, indeed, why would anyone show brand loyalty?

If it works and it's cost effective, I'll buy it. Maybe you should try competing against MS on those grounds. Us consumers would appreciate that, i think.

Sincerely, me.

Re:Hi, consumer here (3, Funny)

metrometro (1092237) | about 2 years ago | (#40911159)

"I have no loyalty to any specific vendor, indeed, why would anyone show brand loyalty?"

In related news, Apple Inc. PR released the following statement: "BWAHAHAHAHAHA BWAAAAHAHAHAAA BWAHAHAHA"

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911425)

But Apple has something that no one else does: OS X. If all of the sudden, 10 different companies were putting out OS X-based PCs, you'd see that brand loyalty go out the window in a hurry. It's OS features that are keeping its customers loyal to Apple, not the "brand".

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40911487)

I think you have that wrong. If I buy from Dell, they give me a good quality machine for a reasonable price, a good out of box experience (no crapware), support that isn't based in Asia, quick turnaround for repairs, a fleshed out warranty (none of this limited warranty bull), and quality hardware/software integration then I'm going to buy from them again. That's brand loyalty, since I'll be reluctant to go to say HP, who might give me Indian tech support, 1000 crapware programs to uninstall for 5 hours after I get the machine, and terrible build quality that will break and I have to wait for 4 weeks to get the machine back again, only to find it's still broken.

Disclaimer: this post does not reflect any actual experience with Dell or HP, though if I had to pick, each closely resemble the latter experience rather than the former, and the same goes for pretty much any other OEM out there today.

Re:Hi, consumer here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40912015)

If I buy from Dell, they give me a good quality machine for a reasonable price, a good out of box experience (no crapware), support that isn't based in Asia, quick turnaround for repairs, a fleshed out warranty (none of this limited warranty bull), and quality hardware/software integration then I'm going to buy from them again.

But that's you. You are not representative of the typical buyer. You represent the kind of person that lives in Steve Ballmer fantasy land. Normal people price shop PCs and as long as Windows remains a commodity that will not change. The only way for MS to change that is to stop selling to OEMs which they will never do as they'll all just switch to Linux. Linux may be a paper tiger now but it got MS' attention at the beginning of the netbook craze to the tune of them extending XP and lowering the OEM price to 15 dollars. That's one paper tiger with some bite.

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40911209)

You've pretty much just described the problem Microsoft has with the current OEM landscape and the reason they're releasing the Surface at all. Let me break it down for you:

I have no loyalty to any specific vendor, indeed, why would anyone show brand loyalty?

Brand loyalty arises when you interact with a company, and they give you a positive experience whether through sales, support, returns, customer service, etc. If I have a positive experience with a company, I will probably purchase from them again, 1) as a reward for their good support ant 2) because I want that good support again, and dealing with another company does not guarantee that.

However, OEMs are cutting their warranties, moving support overseas, trimming down their offerings, and across the industry the support side of the relationship is almost nonexistent, which of course leads you to conclude having no relationship with a company is the best course of action.

If it works and it's cost effective, I'll buy it.

This of course is what many consumers want. What you mean is "If it works *well* and the price reflects a good value, I'll buy it." That's a rational stance. But the OEMs hear something else entirely: "If it works *barely* and I have to pay as little as possible, I'll buy it" Indeed, in the OEM PC space it's a race to the bottom, where profits are razor thin, and OEMs are competing on little more than price. Thus you have computers which last a year and break just outside of warranty, computers that barely have enough muscle to run the programs that are important to you, all for a bargain bin price that allows no one in the industry to really take chances and innovate.

Microsoft sees this landscape and then looks at Apple, who are doing pretty much everything right and counter to the PC space, and they despair. So they released this surface as an attempt to show OEMs how it's done, and Acer of course, the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, can't see themselves competing with something like that. Indeed, they can't even compete in the Android space against Samsung et al., so I can imagine they feel a little threatened. What Acer means to say is "We think the surface is negative for the industry as a whole... because we'll be dead in a few years" Microsoft is trying to push back against this race to the bottom by releasing some quality products, and hoping other OEMs raise the bar as well. Hence allowing only a select few mfgs to produce Windows RT tablets at first. It's no coincidence these are the same companies who make quality Windows desktops and Android tablets today.

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | about 2 years ago | (#40911365)

Brand loyalty arises when you interact with a company, and they give you a positive experience whether through sales, support, returns, customer service, etc.

I think you're absolutely correct about that, and Microsoft's strategy here might be more about the support & customer service channels than just the shiny hardware. On slashdot, we may mock the "Genius Bar", but Apple absolutely owns the "Geek Squad" in terms of support experience for the average user. Of course, there's only a handful of Microsoft Stores right now, but that will probably change quickly.

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911931)

I think you're absolutely correct about that, and Microsoft's strategy here might be more about the support & customer service channels than just the shiny hardware. On slashdot, we may mock the "Genius Bar", but Apple absolutely owns the "Geek Squad" in terms of support experience for the average user. Of course, there's only a handful of Microsoft Stores right now, but that will probably change quickly.

MS' consumers don't want Genius Bars and expensive computers. They want cheap. If they didn't, they know where the Genius Bar and the expensive computer is. MS trying to rebrand themselves as premium is ludicrous and since their OS is a commodity is doomed as even if they reverse the race to the bottom for a short time, it'll just go right back inside of 6 months of Windows 8 being on the market.

Re:Hi, consumer here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911891)

You've pretty much just described the problem Microsoft has with the current OEM landscape and the reason they're releasing the Surface at all.

Dufus, the only way MS will control the pricing in the market is to sign off on every single vendor design. The Surface Pro is just going to be that expensive Windows tablet that nobody bought because every OEM and their dog put out a cheaper product that does the same thing just with lesser build quality. That is what people buy because that is what people want. Unlike forum nerds, normal people don't give a shit about a computer they just want to get work done. They are not in love with the design or the build quality. As long as it doesn't literally fall apart and it gets to the desktop they are happy. Thinking that somehow MS is going to change that is just fucking Kool-Aid drinking ludicrous. Windows is a commodity and that is not going to change. If there is a cheaper laptop/tablet/whatever in Best Buy with the same OS and the same CPU/RAM configuration, 90 percent of consumers will buy the cheaper product and not think twice about shit like build quality.

This of course is what many consumers want. What you mean is "If it works *well* and the price reflects a good value, I'll buy it." That's a rational stance.

This is what you are confused on. What represents a "rational stance" and a good value to the typical consumer. Here, let me help you.

"If it works *barely* and I have to pay as little as possible, I'll buy it"

For 90 percent of consumers, that nails it. That is the good rational value. If you or MS or anybody else thinks differently you are living in fantasy land.

Microsoft sees this landscape and then looks at Apple, who are doing pretty much everything right and counter to the PC space, and they despair. So they released this surface as an attempt to show OEMs how it's done, and Acer of course, the bottom of the bottom of the barrel, can't see themselves competing with something like that.

No, MS despair because they see those margins and that 100 billion dollar pile Apple is sitting on and they think they can cargo cult there way there. Ha! What they don't seem to get is that a) most of Apple's fortune comes from the fucking iPhone not the goddamned iPad. And b) Apple have 30 years of history and from day one refused to compromise and become a commodity. MS trying to be Apple is like when Volkswagen sold the Phaethon trying to be Mercedes Benz. It didn't work. The Phaethon was a good car but if you want a Benz, you buy a Benz. And VW doesn't have decades to build that kind of an aura. Neither does MS.

Re:Hi, consumer here (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about 2 years ago | (#40911429)

Dear Acer,

And I forgot, please do not give me any lock-in, walled gardens, crystal prisons, DRM, UEFI or any of that crap the other vendors try to shove up my rear end.

Thanks!
Me

Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911009)

The other manufacturers aren't saying anything.
Either Acer has something up it's sleeve, or their mouth is faster than their brains.

MS successfully created the XBox, took them some time to get it right, but now, it's a healthy and serious competitor to the PS3.

Is Acers scared shittless? Yeah, I think so too.

Cue the apologists (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911015)

You will get a ton of MS apologists on this story telling us how the PC makers have "failed" Microsoft and how MS had no choice but to blaze the trail. This is bullshit. When Windows Vista and 7 were both released we were assured by MS and their hangers on that it was finally touch friendly and anyone that argued that it was just the same old crap was shouted down in comment forums all over the internet. When sane people pointed out the fact that even if you could manage to put up with desktop Windows on a touch screen you still had to put up with the heat and bulk of the x86 chipsets available they also were shouted down. The funny thing was that despite the echoing chorus that Windows was tablet ready, Windows tablet after tablet bombed. Ballmer in a case of extraordinary egg on face even headlined CES with another HP tablet dud. Where is it now?

Then something strange happened. Another company took an idea that MS had failed to execute on for a decade and ran away with the market completely. And now we hear that MS is coming out with its own gear because somehow the OEMs have failed. No. Microsoft failed the OEMs. How were they supposed to compete with the iPad with fucking Windows 7 on a sawed-off netbook? Get fucking real. Of course this wouldn't even be an issue if the internet echo chamber weren't once again running to MS' defense and pointing the finger everywhere but at where it belongs. MS has failed their partners. Fortunately for Acer et al, Surface in both its incarnations is fundamentally flawed. It doesn't know if it's an ultrabook or a tablet. Windows 8 is some kind of weird FrankenOS that doesn't know what it wants to be and WinRT is as sure a dud against the iPad as any number of $79 tablets hanging in blister packs in Walgreens.

So fear not, dear Acer but have fun posturing. MS has failed you before and they are failing themselves now.

Re:Cue the apologists (2)

dhavleak (912889) | about 2 years ago | (#40911121)

And now we hear that MS is coming out with its own gear because somehow the OEMs have failed. No. Microsoft failed the OEMs.

You're not hearing this from MS -- you're hearing this from random people on the internet. Where OEMs have failed MS is in the quality of the hardware they put out, and the crap they pre-install.

I suspect MS needed to make Surface PCs because they needed an iPad competitor and they alone had the bucks and design chops to pull it off. The OEMs are busy working on Android tablets. Left to the OEMs they would take an Android tablet design and re-purpose it for windows. That basically means no differentiation. MS needed to control it's own destiny here.

You're seeking villains where there are none.

Re:Cue the apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911427)

Where OEMs have failed MS is in the quality of the hardware they put out, and the crap they pre-install.

MS is sitting on a worldwide 90+ percent desktop market share and 40 something billion dollars in cash right now on the backs of preloading their OS on OEM hardware for the last 30 years and you have the gall to say they've been failed? Failed would have been if the PC hadn't sold and Apple or Amstrad or Amiga or whoever else would have taken over the market and you wouldn't even have ever heard of Micro-soft. And if people wanted so-called high quality hardware without "crap", it ain't [apple.com] hard [google.com] to find [google.com] . You think that MS putting out a thousand dollar touch screen ultrabook is somehow going to change what people want to buy? If people wanted to pay that kind of money they have always had the option. This entire mantra of the OEMs have failed is pure bunk from apologists rationalizing MSs cargo cult aping of Apple with the Surface tablet introductions. Pretending that it has anything to do with Acer et al selling people cheap laptops is ludicrous and delusional.

I suspect MS needed to make Surface PCs because they needed an iPad competitor and they alone had the bucks and design chops to pull it off.

How the fuck would they know? They kept foisting Windows on the OEMs with fucking styluses and pretending that those were good enough. They haven't even released Windows 8 yet and already they've been failed? Are you even parsing what you're writing here?

The OEMs are busy working on Android tablets. Left to the OEMs they would take an Android tablet design and re-purpose it for windows.

Um, are you delusional [google.com] ? There were a fuckton of Windows 8 tablets shown off at Computex that were not Android retreads.

Fuck this. Dude, get off the fucking Kool-Aid before you OD.

Re:Cue the apologists (1)

dhavleak (912889) | about 2 years ago | (#40911631)

MS is sitting on a worldwide 90+ percent desktop market share and 40 something billion dollars in cash right now on the backs of preloading their OS on OEM hardware for the last 30 years and you have the gall to say they've been failed?

The gall? Calm down there big boy. I said the OEMs failed MS in terms of the quality of their hardware and the crapware they install. That's factually accurate.

This entire mantra of the OEMs have failed is pure bunk from apologists rationalizing MSs cargo cult aping of Apple with the Surface tablet introductions.

You're arguing against a point that nobody is making, least of all MS.

How the fuck would they know? They kept foisting Windows on the OEMs with fucking styluses and pretending that those were good enough. They haven't even released Windows 8 yet and already they've been failed? Are you even parsing what you're writing here?

Clam down there AC. They would know because they've seen the Android tablet designs. Most are poor, some are good, none can separate themselves from the ipad as far as design goes. MS doesn't want to releast Windows 8 and then wait, and watch, and then react. They want to be ready with a compelling tablet day 1. Makes sense.

Um, are you delusional [google.com]? There were a fuckton of Windows 8 tablets shown off at Computex that were not Android retreads

None of those looked like a viable iPad competitor. Launching with those tablets would result in poor sales.

Fuck this. Dude, get off the fucking Kool-Aid before you OD.

Says the MS-hating lemming with the inflammatory post. If you disagree with their strategy on Surface it's fine. But drinking one flavor of Kool-Aid and accusing others of drinking the wrong brand is pretty rich. Ultimately with or without Kool-Aid arguments need to stand on facts and logic.

Re:Cue the apologists (4, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#40911381)

When Windows Vista and 7 were both released we were assured by MS and their hangers on that it was finally touch friendly and anyone that argued that it was just the same old crap was shouted down in comment forums all over the internet. When sane people pointed out the fact that even if you could manage to put up with desktop Windows on a touch screen you still had to put up with the heat and bulk of the x86 chipsets available they also were shouted down.

I think you're remembering wrong. Windows tablets have always been laughed at on this and many other tech forums. I should know since I argued for them back them, having used one daily through my college career, and I was the one constantly being shouted down. I still maintain for specialized use cases, pen and finger input was ideal and something you didn't have from any other manufacturer or OS vendor at the time. But that's where the problem was: MS and all OEMs saw Tablet PCs as niche systems meant for business, and they marketed and priced them that way. Since they lacked the audience, they lacked the apps. Apple saw tablets as consumption devices for the consumer, and they won that side of the bet, for pretty obvious reasons (size, price, usability).

So you'll forgive me if I don't seem to remember this history you're painting where forum nerds everywhere rushed to the defense of Tablet PCs. It was really quite the opposite.

Re:Cue the apologists (1)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | about 2 years ago | (#40911549)

Remember the netbook ? The ones that ran Linux ? The ones that was a huge sucess with screen sizes of 7 and 9 inches ?

Then Microsoft came and got everyone to agree that a netbook has to have a 10 inch screen. And it killed netbook making them
small cheap notebooks. Now the pads is the netbook option once more and without a keyboard.

So everyone could have seen this coming - if they bothered to look and see what it was that got the consumer to fuss about the smaller 7 and 9 inch netbooks.

Re:Cue the apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911575)

I think you're remembering wrong. Windows tablets have always been laughed at on this and many other tech forums.

I think it is you who is remembering wrong. As in the last 5 minutes as you don't even seem to remember what I wrote. Here, I will refresh your Kool-Aid soaked brain.

When Windows Vista and 7 were both released we were assured by MS and their hangers on that it was finally touch friendly and anyone that argued that it was just the same old crap was shouted down in comment forums all over the internet.

Yes, saner heads lambasted the trash MS was peddling for what it was yet there was still a constant drone of users that in the most obnoxious and offensive language would shout down anyone that said the Windows tablets wouldn't sell.

But that's where the problem was: MS and all OEMs saw Tablet PCs as niche systems meant for business, and they marketed and priced them that way.

There weren't many tablets and their prices were high because consumers weren't interested. I remember quite clearly way back when a touch screen Samsung tablet in Fry's Electronics going for around $500 and it collected dust. The OEMs tried but MS gave them bologna pretending all the while it was steak. Which to stay on topic is the point of this conversation. MS failed their OEMs by not delivering a sellable product on their tablets and now revisionists are pretending that it is the other way around which is ludicrous.

So you'll forgive me if I don't seem to remember this history you're painting where forum nerds everywhere rushed to the defense of Tablet PCs. It was really quite the opposite.

We've already gone over this so whatever you're smoking, stop. And if you aren't smoking anything, start.

Re:Cue the apologists (1)

dhavleak (912889) | about 2 years ago | (#40911719)

Here, I will refresh your Kool-Aid soaked brain.

We've already gone over this so whatever you're smoking, stop. And if you aren't smoking anything, start.

The OEMs tried but MS gave them bologna pretending all the while it was steak

Sorry AC -- you don't have much credibility when most of your post is troll-speak.

Re:Cue the apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40912121)

And you think an ad hominem is taking the high road?

Re:Cue the apologists (1)

dhavleak (912889) | about 2 years ago | (#40912189)

No high road sought or claimed. Discussion has devolved into BS now.

uhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911029)

The elephant in the room here is, why is Acer still in business? They have never made a decent computer.

What's that Acer? (1)

dhavleak (912889) | about 2 years ago | (#40911033)

You'll finally have to do some good industrial design instead of just putting together the cheapest components you can find, and riding Window's coattails?

Or you'll finally have a competitor that doesn't pre-install every manner of junk imaginable on the device before giving it to consumers?

Tough cookies. Compete.

Doesn't sound negative to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911197)

Microsoft products being preloaded onto generic hardware, in order to avoid the market forces for selection of that software, was the main negative thing. This is a correction of that negativity. The only weird thing about it, is that it was initiated by Microsoft rather than manufacturer customers.

If only the surface had been released 20-25 years ago, everything would be much better today.

Gotta Love Press Releases (4, Insightful)

organgtool (966989) | about 2 years ago | (#40911203)

We think that Microsoft’s launch of its own-brand products is negative for the whole PC industry.

Is it really a negative "for the whole PC industry" or just a negative for Acer and the other OEM partners?

The company is reportedly considering whether or not they want to keep relying on Microsoft's software products.

And do what? Write their own OS and take on Microsoft head-to-head? Release only products with Linux on them? I love Linux, but let's be realistic. Acer obviously isn't happy about Microsoft's entry into the hardware side of tablets, but they have few other options, so they will whine about it and continue selling Microsoft products all the while.

Re:Gotta Love Press Releases (1)

Bonobo_Unknown (925651) | about 2 years ago | (#40912089)

>I love Linux, but let's be realistic. Linux is doing okay on tablets...

Re:Gotta Love Press Releases (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40912099)

And do what? Write their own OS and take on Microsoft head-to-head? Release only products with Linux on them? I love Linux, but let's be realistic.

Yes, let's be realistic. The Eee PC started the netbook craze and dropped with Linux. It sold. MS got nervous and extended XP and dropped the OEM price to 15 dollars. Linux may not be poised to strike at any moment but with a big enough opportunity obviously it is relevant. And now that we have ChromeOS, Ubuntu, and Android all kind of tangoing around each other and all running the Linux kernel, we are a long step forward from the old Linpus efforts on those old netbooks. A long way.

Microsoft wants to be Apple, might be RIM instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911433)

Microsoft may not be exactly abandoning the desktop and the laptop, but it doesn't see them as the way forward.

Apple has wonderful control over its hardware, software and services. That also describes RIM.

Microsoft sees the future in mobile devices like tablets and smart phones. It wants to move there and it wants to be like Apple. I think it will end up being more like RIM. In fact it should just short circuit the process and buy RIM.

Google makes hardware (1, Interesting)

Trentula (1684992) | about 2 years ago | (#40911793)

Google makes Android hardware, why isn't anyone complaining about that?

Re:Google makes hardware (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#40911927)

Google makes Android hardware, why isn't anyone complaining about that?

Because Google don't have an established history of wiping out their 'partners'?

Surface will come and go. (0)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 2 years ago | (#40911909)

MS these days often reminds me of a crow. It looks at things (in this case Apple) and says "I want the shiny!" In this case the shiny is wads and wads of cash. They'll fuck it up though, they always do. Like a crow, Microsoft doesn't have the foggiest idea how to make its own shiny.

It didn't do it with the Zune and the later Windows phones, after first pissing away the opportunity to create a successful smartphone platform way back in the Windows Mobile days, when the iPhone was but a glint in SJ's eye.

They may think they're being awfully clever flipping off the OEMs they've been in business with for 20 years, but when Windows 8 and the tablets go up in flames they'll come crawling back.

Acer and others failing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40911957)

Microsoft is forced into this as Acer and other hardware builders are failing to innovate. With Google and Apple both building hardware, what does Microsoft have to lose? Acer should instead beg for the contracts, Microsoft certainly does not have production capabilities. Acer has no hand, everyone knows it, including Microsoft.

And replace it with what? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#40912083)

The best open source office suite is a decade behind MS, the best linux distro is still a headache for nerds let alone normal people, tons of peripherals like printers act pants on head retarded or flat out crash the print server, and never mind you cant even force people from XP to a newer version of windows let alone something that's going to break all their shit.

so seriously

"The company is reportedly considering whether or not they want to keep relying on Microsoft's software products."

What are you going to replace it with, that wont drive away normal, average, everyday customers?

OEMs need not worry (1)

Dracos (107777) | about 2 years ago | (#40912087)

MS is making their own Windows8 driven tablets, huh?

If I were an OEM, I'd just passively ignore that for a time. Win8 might be passably usable on a tablet, but does anyone think MS can take any significant marketshare from the iPad? Besides that, tablets as consumer devices are bound to fail, present hype notwithstanding.

But when my OEM Windows distribution contract comes up for renewal, I'd demand that I can put whatever OS i want on any of my hardware, since MS decided to compete with me directly by making their own tablets (for what that's worth).

On one hand Microsoft is our partner, (-1, Flamebait)

Tanuki64 (989726) | about 2 years ago | (#40912111)

...translation: I am an idiot. M$ never had 'partners'.

Fixed headline... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40912131)

"Microsoft Surface 'Negative For The PC Industry OEMs That Suck'"

Cry harder, Acer.

Oh Really? (1)

Denogh (2024280) | about 2 years ago | (#40912153)

The company is reportedly considering whether or not they want to keep relying on Microsoft's software products.

Yes, that will be great for business. Everyone will rush to buy Asus netbooks with . I love Linux as much as the next geek, but I don't see people buying a lot of Linux machines when other vendors are still selling Windows netbooks.

Re:Oh Really? (1)

Denogh (2024280) | about 2 years ago | (#40912179)

The company is reportedly considering whether or not they want to keep relying on Microsoft's software products.

Yes, that will be great for business. Everyone will rush to buy Asus netbooks with Linux. I love Linux as much as the next geek, but I don't see people buying a lot of Linux machines when other vendors are still selling Windows netbooks.

Omitted a word in my previous post that made it make even less sense than it should have.

They should be talking to Valve (1)

Telvin_3d (855514) | about 2 years ago | (#40912217)

If I was Acer, I'd be very quietly talking to Valve right now. Valve's recent Linux investments look like one of the first serious efforts to completely streamline the Linux hardware experience. If they can finally be the ones to kick the video/sound compatibility and performance problems, even to an Apple style 'this hardware approved' level it would make them an interesting partner for a hardware vendor. If Acer spends the next twelve months on a very heavy and quiet investment into something like OpenOffice and cleaning up/standardizing the Linux UI of their choice while Valve tackles hardware compatibility and driver issues a year from now they would be in a great place to launch a cheap performance all-in-one. Productivity suite built in with Steam front and center for games. Call it a nice middle ground between a console and a traditional PC. Perhaps even get Blizzard on board. Linux WoW installed right out of the box.

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