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July Heat Set U.S. Record

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the air-conditioning-wins-the-mvp dept.

Earth 422

gollum123 sends this excerpt from CNN: "The July heat wave that wilted crops, shriveled rivers and fueled wildfires officially went into the books Wednesday as the hottest single month on record for the continental United States. The average temperature across the Lower 48 was 77.6 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.3 degrees above the 20th-century average, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration reported. That edged out the previous high mark, set in 1936, by two-tenths of a degree, NOAA said. In addition, the seven months of 2012 to date are the warmest of any year on record and were drier than average as well, NOAA said. U.S. forecasters started keeping records in 1895. And the past 12 months have been the warmest of any such period on record, topping a mark set between July 2011 and this past June. Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported."

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Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923263)

I certainly hope that this heat was an outlier, and not "the new normal".

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923303)

It was God punishing people for practicing science so boldly in the open, no doubt.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (5, Informative)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923643)

No it is god punishing you for using fahrenheit.
25.33 degrees for those that both care and didn't already type '77.6f in c' into google.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (4, Funny)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923789)

Cold temperatures in Celsius. Hot temperatures in Fahrenheit. It's the natural way.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

Smauler (915644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924025)

depends how cold it is....

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923819)

Should we also rename Fahrenheit 451 to Celsius 232.778?

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (-1, Flamebait)

hazah (807503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923975)

LOL wut?

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924011)

Yes

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (3, Insightful)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924121)

Should we also rename Fahrenheit 451 to Celsius 232.778?

505.928 Kelvin is better.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923327)

I know. This fuckin' heat made me fart out of my precious little asshole. That's right: it made me fart out of my very own asshole, and no one else's.

Such a thing!

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923989)

Yes, well PV=nRT. Increased heat will increase pressure.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923351)

Of course. It's a coincidence. Not related to AGW or anything. I'm sure it's just the sensors being closer to pavement. Also, it hasn't felt any hotter for me, so it must just be the crazy greens trying to take all our money for their solar companies. Just keep letting me burn my dinosaur.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923515)

This July's record heat is only 0.2 degrees higher then the previous record. Let's not blow things out of proportion. (Unless you think the record set in the 1930s is indicative of global warming too?)

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923681)

Yeah. Unless we break the PETM global average, this is really "Meh!"

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923939)

What the critics are saying:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/08/dear-noaa-and-seth-which-1930s-were-you-referring-to-when-you-say-july-is-the-record-warmest/

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (5, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924131)

The 5 stages of denial:

1: It's not happening.
2: It's happening, but it's no big deal.
3: It's happening, it's a big deal, but there's nothing we can do.
4: It's happening, it's a big deal, this is what we can do, but it's too expensive.
5: It's happening, it's a big deal, this is what we can do, the alternative is worse, so let's just get on with it.

Alright - we're at step 2 of the denial process! Looks like we've made progress in the last.... 25 years or so. I hope step 3 won't take another 25 years.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (2)

Smauler (915644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924133)

Incidental temperatures fucking are a coincidence. More storms, less rain, cold winters, whatever - it's not the issue. That's the argument AGW denialists have been using for years, ok?

Headlines like this prove nothing - the overwhelming body of scientific literature shows that AGW does exist, and localised weather is not really a good indication of it (though some, especially those in the media, try to make it so).

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (3, Funny)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923435)

Urgh.

Okay kids, time to brace for the usual arguments:

"Itz teh global WarminGz!"

"Iz nawt! Itz teh outLiarz!"

"Yoo Dunt no SHIT abut SCIENCE!"

(rinse, repeat, ad nauseum...)

Seriously. Get a grip.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (2, Funny)

sycodon (149926) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923673)

That's a pretty charitable depiction.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1, Insightful)

J Story (30227) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923443)

In 1936, according to the article, it was almost as warm. Basically, a "so what?". Between then and now, States have had record cold temperatures as well. This report would be just one more Jeopardy! item, were it not for the political hay that will be made of it.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1, Insightful)

Splab (574204) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923605)

And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

You know what, global environment change might be man made or natural cycle, but if it turns out to be man made, I hope you will do the honorable thing and let someone who tried to save the planet have your spot.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (2)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923949)

save the planet

The planet's fine. WE are fucked. [youtube.com]

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924079)

WE are fucked.

No we're not [businessweek.com] .

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (4, Insightful)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923995)

And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

I think the fact that the previous record was set in 1936 pretty much disproves your "fact" that the weather is setting records "year after year". "Year after year" to most people means "every year or two", not "every 7 decades or so".

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924089)

And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

You know what, global environment change might be man made or natural cycle, but if it turns out to be man made, I hope you will do the honorable thing and let someone who tried to save the planet have your spot.

This is a prime example of politics at play. Failing to run around and throw one's hands in the air is painted as "dishonorable", and somehow a threat to the existence of planet Earth. Such posturing, especially when practised by politicians funding research organizations, ensures that scientists hew close to the party line.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923685)

Well you know what they say: 'make hay while the sun shines'. Maybe a bumper hay crop may offset some of your corn losses. Mind you, you are talking about political hay. I think there is a glut on the world market at the moment, at least of the US variety of hay.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923771)

In 1936, according to the article, it was almost as warm. Basically, a "so what?".

Never read The Grapes of Wrath I take it.

0.2 degrees higher than the the hottest month on record is certainly a notable event.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923457)

Outliers go up and down. Sometimes you will have a value that can cause the Dust Bowl and sometimes it is less. The problem with climate change is that we only need smaller outliers to cause what would be considered major events in the past.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923487)

Unless you know some way for the atmosphere to clear all the heat trapping CO2 we've been dumping for the past 100 years, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923525)

Couldn't we just get giant ice cubes from Europa and drop them in the ocean? That would solve it once and for all.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923715)

Doing so would actually heat the Earth, in the long term. Any amount of Europan ice capable of cooling the oceans is going to increase sea level and therefore, sea surface area. That will lead to greater water vapor content at equilibrium. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

Re:Hopefully it's an outlier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923503)

Well, if it's an outlier, that makes 13 of them in a row.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE GLACIERS !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923283)

And if you think this is hot, you ain't been to the nude beach down the road !!

All except Washington (4, Interesting)

toejam13 (958243) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923339)

According to this report [nwsource.com] , global warming will make western Washington even gloomier than it already is. So while the rest of the nation bakes, people in Seattle will be perfectly comfortable while they're being glum.

Re:All except Washington (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923371)

Time to buy more coffee futures. I certainly can't afford the coffee today.

Re:All except Washington (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923707)

Sorry, coffee is one of the plants severely affected by global warming.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-502303_162-20121250.html [cbsnews.com]

Re:All except Washington (1)

Boronx (228853) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924003)

Isn't that a reason to buy futures?

Re:All except Washington (1)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923719)

I live in the Portland, Oregon area. I can tell you it's not much less gloomy and wet here. Record rainfall in both June and July. Now it's the beginning of August and I am wearing a coat in the middle of the day to stay warm. Feels more like an ice age then global warming here.

Re:All except Washington (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923841)

I live in the Portland, Oregon area. I can tell you it's not much less gloomy and wet here. Record rainfall in both June and July. Now it's the beginning of August and I am wearing a coat in the middle of the day to stay warm. Feels more like an ice age then global warming here.

Its ike 72 degrees outside man, move around

Re:All except Washington (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924061)

I live in Vancouver and work in Portland. You're either full of shit or you moved here from California. TODAY isn't bad, last week was terrible.

Re:All except Washington (1)

DarthBling (1733038) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923807)

It's been pretty cool here in the Pacific Northwest all year. In fact, we just had our first day above 90 degrees last Saturday here in Portland.

Re:All except Washington (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923873)

There is a "hell freezing over" joke somewhere. Oh wait, DC?

Brace yourselves (0)

Loughla (2531696) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923365)

The well thought out pro- and anti-global warming arguments are coming.

It's real!

No it isn't.

YOU SMELL!

YEAH, WELL, YOUR FACE!

Re:Brace yourselves (3, Funny)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923455)

What about his face?? Such a cliffhanger..

Re:Brace yourselves (1)

xevioso (598654) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923535)

His face smells. Possibly because of global warming.

Re:Brace yourselves (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923861)

That's not his face. Common mistake.

And he's not a he. Less common mistake.

What about the rest of the world? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923399)

America may be baking, but what about the planet as a whole? Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

Re:What about the rest of the world? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923513)

Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

Oooo! I do I do!

Signed,

Greenland

Re:What about the rest of the world? (4, Informative)

ilsaloving (1534307) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923543)

I dunno about other areas, but I've read that Europe is also suffering from a very intense heat wave.

Keep in mind that this doesn't mean that the entire planet will heat up uniformly. Some areas may even become unusually cooler.

The biggest concern is actually an increase in natural disasters like hurricanes.

Re:What about the rest of the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923627)

"Increase" in natural disasters is also bull. There could be the exact same amount of extreme weather occurrences now as 200 years ago but because there's more people spread over more area, they will land on populated areas and do damage.

Re:What about the rest of the world? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924053)

actually it's the coolest summers in the west of europe in ages...

Re:What about the rest of the world? (3, Funny)

Troed (102527) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924057)

Hi,

Northern Europe here. We've not seen summer yet this year. It's just cold and wet.

regards,
Sweden

Re:What about the rest of the world? (0, Flamebait)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923571)

Fourth warmest June since records began [noaa.gov] Unless things were dramatically different in July, I think it's safe to assume that global warming has "stopped".

Re:What about the rest of the world? (0)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923759)

Define global warming. Define stoped.
The last ten years the sun e.g. was in a cold cycle is noww slowly gettig hotter again.
There are dozens of effects finally defining the local temperature.
That has nothing to do with GLOBAL warming.
Why don't you look a bit around over the rest of the GLOBE to get an idea how bad it already is?

Re:What about the rest of the world? (3, Interesting)

Sandman1971 (516283) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923641)

We Canadians, you're neighbours to the north, also recorded record heat and record (lack of) rainfall in July.
Hopefully August will be better. As I type this, it's been raining heavily for the last 20 minutes. We've had more rain in the last 20 mins here in Ottawa that we've had the entire month of July. I'm pretty sure I heard my grass cheering.

Choose, denialists (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923409)

Either a cold winter doesn't disprove AGW or this absolutely proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

CHOOSE

Re:Choose, denialists (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923467)

This, right here.

Of course, I'm hoping you didn't expect differently.

Re:Choose (3, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923483)

That's easy: I choose to accept all evidence that fits my predefined worldview (whatever that may be), and pretend any contradicting evidence doesn't exist or is incorrect.

Hey, it works for a lot of other things, why should AGW be any different?

Re:Choose (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923721)

You mean, the worldview of your wallet?

Re:Choose, denialists (2)

Bob-taro (996889) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923533)

Nice. Conversely:

Choose, believers: Either a cold winter disproves AGW or this doesn't prove it. CHOOSE

I've heard the similarly inconsistent arguments from both sides of the debate.

Re:Choose, denialists (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923779)

No, no, no, not enough suffixes. It should be believerists. Apparently, "deniers" wasn't perjorative enough, so you need to whack some extra letters on the end to make the term sound even more dramatic.

Re:Choose, denialists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923793)

Choose, believers: Either a cold winter disproves AGW or this doesn't prove it. CHOOSE

Huh? Were so-called "believers" supposed to get upset by that? Because I personally have no qualms with selecting "this does not prove it", and I suspect that most other "believers" would have no problem saying the same.

It just makes it easier for us to demonstrate to people who don't understand that a cold winter does not disprove AGW that AGW is real. At least I imagine it does. Which is why I leave the making of such arguments to the people smarter than I.

Re:Choose, denialists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923843)

Sure neither answer is correct.

The correct answer would be if the majority of the world has abnormal weather this winter the likelihood of global warming being real is increased.

If the majority of the world has normal weather, then there does not seem to be a change.

Of course everyone is going to frame it to make it impossible to answer. If you want my guess, my guess is it will not be a normal winter.

Re:Choose, denialists (2)

Qwertie (797303) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923971)

A hot summer does not prove AGW, nor does a cold winter disprove it. In fact, any number of hot summers does not prove AGW; at most they only prove that warming is occurring.

To prove that the Global Warming is Anthropomorphic requires a lot of additional evidence, which has been gathered. There is now a strong concensus among scientists that "man-made" is the only explanation that fits [slashdot.org] .

Re:Choose, denialists (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923549)

I choose "cold winter doesn't disprove AGW" — where we learned that "weather is not climate" — which also applies now.

Re:Choose, denialists (0, Troll)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923613)

Since the temperature isn't any hotter than it was in 1936, I'm not seeing any evidence that temps are climbing. The global alarmists said (in 2001) that we would soon never see snow. They people wouldn't be able to go outside. And yet July 2012 was not really any higher than July 1936 when my great-grandparents were alive. So what gives???

Re:Choose, denialists (1, Informative)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923711)

Perhaps you should learn to read. Even the summary says it correctly. Every single month of THIS year is hotter than the hottest one of a random year on record.

Re:Choose, denialists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923869)

What gives? You are an idiot.

It has been hotter then normal the past few summers. Just because its been hotter before for brief periods does not mean that an extended or repeated hot spells are normal. But you didn't want to hear that answer did you?

Think things through next time, you look silly.

Re:Choose, denialists (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923993)

Since the temperature isn't any hotter than it was in 1936

In what way is 0.2 degrees higher temperature than July 1936 not hotter?

The global alarmists said (in 2001) that we would soon never see snow.

Who precisely said that, and what specifically did they say.

You don't seem to be too good with the facts.

Re:Choose, denialists (1)

jd.schmidt (919212) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923825)

Either a cold winter doesn't disprove AGW or this absolutely proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

CHOOSE

To be fair, they did choose, they think cold winters don't disprove AGW, but rather are examples to them of how such information is unknowable. It is just used as a zinger to say "show me how your AGB model predicted this". If anything it is more frustrating to me. I normally reply "show me your everything is OK model."

Re:Choose, denialists (0)

hazah (807503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924135)

I honestly don't get it. All this is is chasing your own tail. Why not just admit that we don't have a model we can trust either way. Seems far more likely that we're holplessly ignorant on all sides.

Re:Choose, denialists (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924037)

Either a cold winter doesn't disprove AGW or this absolutely proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Anyone who talks of climate trends with anything less that a 30 year view is an idiot. However for those idiots that say "Global warming has stalled for the last 10 years" it's nice to rub their faces in their own shit.

well that settles it.. (1)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923439)

i'm moving to washington!

Not here in California, Bay Area (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923447)

Been here my entire life, one of the most comfortable summers I can recall.

Can we swap? (1)

pswPhD (1528411) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923449)

Over in England, We have had the wettest April through June since our records began [BBC News] [bbc.co.uk] . Please send us some sunny weather!

Re:Can we swap? (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923651)

Over in England, We have had the wettest April through June since our records began [BBC News] [bbc.co.uk] . Please send us some sunny weather!

Well we might not be able to send any sunny weather over, but we're making a pretty good effort at stalling the Atlantic thermohaline cycle. That'll stop your rain for you.

Re:Can we swap? (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924095)

It's long been predicted as the most likely scenario that global warming will make Britain wetter. Britain's weather mostly comes from the Atlantic, and warmer weather causes more evaporation, which turns to rain as it hits land masses.

Re:Can we swap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924171)

Over in England, We have had the wettest April through June since our records began [BBC News] [bbc.co.uk] . Please send us some sunny weather!

You'll have to wait for the Olympics to finish... there's no fun having them on sunny weather.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (3, Informative)

Antibozo (410516) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923529)

Minor correction: the O in NOAA is Oceanic, not Oceanographic.

Yes but (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923559)

Haven't you heard? The rumor is that Nick Jonas might be a judge on the next season of American Idol! Hoooo doggies, wouldn't that be a hoot? I sure hope that they have some plucky underdog to root for next season. And why is Randy Jackson still there? Everybody else has left. Isn't it kind of sad that he's still hanging on? Man alive! Anyway, I can't wait!

Hello from Oklahoma.... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923569)

This may set a record for the national average, but it has been cooler and milder than last summer here in Oklahoma.

Our avg. July temp. is 91-94 F, but the past 3 or so summers it has been 7-10+F over avg.

Here is an example :this July [weather.com] .
And here is Aug. this year(so far...note the diff between avg. and observed) [weather.com]

Glad to share! ;-)

Living in Seattle is Killing Me (3, Informative)

sandysnowbeard (1297619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923579)

"Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported." Run, children, run from the Pacific NorthWest. Do not come here, the sun does not shine.

Re:Living in Seattle is Killing Me (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923765)

the sun does not shine

That star gets on my nerves. It ruins expensive stuff; car interiors, house paint... basically anything not made of rock. You end up blinded by it driving east or west. Two sets of expensive eye wear required; one for exposure to the naked fusion reactor and one for everything else. Expose yourself enough and you get any of several forms of skin cancer. Trying to work on the property in the summer is hell.

Try to appreciate your clouds.

Re:Living in Seattle is Killing Me (1)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923965)

Run, children, run from the Pacific NorthWest. Do not come here, the sun does not shine.

No! Do not listen to the infidel! That's just the shadow from the mighty Balmer's lifted chair, ready to be flung at a moment's notice!

A new cherry-pick start (1, Informative)

amorsen (7485) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923609)

In 2017 we will hear "5 years of falling temperatures" and in 2022 "no temperature rise for 10 years" and so on. Just like 1998.

Re:A new cherry-pick start (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924007)

Your climate model intrigues me and I would like to subscribeto your newsletter.

This is nothing to worry about . . . (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923803)

All we have to do is water everything with Brawndo. It's the thirst mutilitator and it has elecrolights.

AGW Converts (4, Insightful)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923809)

Ex-sceptic says climate change is down to humans

"The results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature are in and Richard Muller, the study's director (formerly an AGW skeptic) declares, 'Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?_r=4 [nytimes.com]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19047501 [bbc.co.uk]

CEO Exxon admits AGW is real and burning fossil fuels causes it.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/27/exxon-ceo-climate-energy-fears-overblown/ [foxnews.com]

The natural progression:

  • 1. There is no such thing as global warming!
  • 2. Global warming is theoretically possible, but it's not happening.
  • 3. Global warming is happening, but we are not the cause
  • 4. Global warming is happening and we are the cause but it's no big deal.
  • 5. Ok, we should probably do something about this global warming before it gets worse.
  • 6. We're really fraked now.

We are now at step 4.

Re:AGW Converts (-1, Troll)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923955)

Uhhhh, no. Read this; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/antarctica-was-once-a-rai_n_1733597.html [huffingtonpost.com] If a rainforest was found in Antarctica, we very likely have absolutely nothing to do with it. Not like I was there, but I don't think there were many Escalades in the streets 52 million years ago. We may all yet die due to climate change, but when you find a rainforest in the tundra it's difficult to accept that our polution is the cause of this . . . sorry. If people need an irrational boogey man in their lives, we have this character in human mythology called "Satan" . . .

Re:AGW Converts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924091)

No, you are just a fucking idiot.

Re:AGW Converts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924105)

Richard Muller was never a skeptic. His papers failed peer review.

(Feel free to verify)

The Devil In the Details (Adjustments To 'Data') (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923881)

There have been so many adjustments to the 'data' for conformance to a psychological requirement of anthropogenic global warming that such 'news' stories are without merit.

LOL

personally I love global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40923883)

there was no winter last winter here in NYC! it just went from fall to spring. it was fuckin' great walking to school in February and it's like 50 degrees out! sure, it's probably bad for the planet in the long run but fuck it. no one else cares, so why should I?

i'm pissed though i bought an expensive new coat in the fall of 2011 and now i find out winter is cancelled, oh well, maybe i can sell it to a Canadian or something.

wheu shore is hawt out there huh (spits tobacco) (1)

Bigsquid.1776 (2554998) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923905)

Yep shore is... hot yesterday... gonna be hotter t'marruh I hear... uuuuuh huh... (spits tobacco)

ITT people talking about how hot it is outside. The pinnacle of intelligent conversation.

Up next: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling [wikipedia.org]

Atlanta Weather (1)

Botia (855350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40923935)

From Kirk Mellish, the only weatherman I have ever known to have any sort of accuracy, speaking about weather in metro Atlanta when the heat wave hit:

Fortunately this does not mean the whole summer will be hot. Remember in May when it turned unseasonably hot and everyone was saying "OMG its gonna be killer hot from here to fall" and I said history does not support that. Well, until now June has been cooler than normal! After this heat wave, the rest of the summer will be closer to normal but with both more heat waves and some spells of below-normal temperatures expected through August. So relax, hot spells happen in summer in the south. We won't know what kind of summer it was until September!

Slashdot morons... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924015)

www.climatedepot.com

There is no such thing as 'man made global warming', which is probably why the shysters behind that scam renamed it 'climate change'. The climate is ALWAYS 'changing', you retards. You'll believe anything if you think it makes YOU look 'caring' and 'kind' - fucking idiots.

Never heard of the Medieval Warm Period?

Re:Slashdot morons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924063)

also, smoking is good for you! fuck that socialist surgeon general faggot and all the hippy doctors!

NCDC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40924045)

It looks like the NCDC (National Climatic Data Center) is part of the NESDIS (National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service), is part of the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), is part of the U.S. DOC (United States Department of Commerce).

I wonder what the Department of Commerce has to gain from this.

I'm ready. (5, Interesting)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#40924081)

I've been watching climate change debates most of my life.

First, it was the threat of nucler wear, and the nuclear winter to follow. This was well explained, and there wa polenty of data to back it up, and anotehr good reason to abandon nuclear weapons. In the midst of the destruction and poisoning, we would be huddled around burning straw, freezing to death. Women and children would be affected the most.

Then, it was the new Ice Age, inevitable due to climate cycles that were very well explained and with plenty of data. This was a good reason to either acllerate the adoption of advanced technologies, or to eschew them in favor of a sustainable lifestyle in the coming freeze. Oh, and to get as much oil as possible, just in case. And of course it would cause calamity and chaos, we would need to share resources, and we might get by, but don't count on it. Oh, and women and children woudl be affected the most.

Next, it's Global Warming, with now massive evidence of the causes and impacts, much more data, and warnings that we need to do everything to both prevent and adapt to it. We need to abandon our technology, improve it, change fuel sources, use fuels that don't cause other harms, and do it all now. NOW. Oh, and women and children will be affected the most, and the soonest.

Well, if AGW is real, which it seems to be, then I'm ready to both prevent it and mitigate the consequences of what is going to happen no matter what we do.

Just one thing.

So far, most of the solutions to AGW rely on taking from me pretty much eveyrthing that makes my life, as a middle-class U.S. citizen, special. I can deal with that, but so far ther eis little real discussion of the problems of the rest of world hell-bent on achieving the same special life as I have. I don't begrudge them that. But I'm concerned that they are going to tip the climate over the edge sooner than I could have, and will not readily listen to complaints that they are ruining things for all of us.

I expect to give up a lot - I will have to change my diet, my transportation, pay way more taxes, do with less or most everything, and in the end all it will get me is a feeling of contribution. I will not live long enough to see the results. No, I am not that young.

And I will get the nagging feeling that deep inside this, the truth is, that most of the AGW movement is very, very happy that I am paying for my profiligate lifestyle. Because I neither deserve it, nor shoudl it be even permitted. That bunch has been at it since the Nuclear Winter debate, in one fashion or another.

Because that is the way it's going. The so-called 98% are taking it in the shorts, while the top 1% cling to their place at the top. And the bottom 1% scheme to take all of that and more from the top 1% first, and then from whoever they designate as their next targets. And when the top 1% is ruined, then it's the next 1% and the next.

Soon enough, it will be me.

All so a very few can have their way, and rule us all. They hope.

Then again, this may not work out that way. If sensible people prevail.

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