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Kim Dotcom Raid - What Really Happened

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the super-serious dept.

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chill writes "People have been discussing the raid on the Dotcom mansion for months, but now more details and video footage of that morning have begun to emerge from the trial. From the article: 'At 6.46am on January 20, the raid was underway. The helicopter carrying members of the elite special tactics group flew into the Coatesville home of Dotcom. "Ground units, Gates are open," someone says into the radio. Dotcom's pregnant wife their three children, some guests and about a dozen staff were also there. All is quiet below. Within seconds four armed members of the special tactics group ran towards the main door. The helicopter immediately took off. The main justification for using it at all was that Dotcom's security staff could have stopped police vehicles at the gates. But as the chopper flew out, ground forces were already arriving just seconds behind.'"

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They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925057)

On Bernie Madoff.

But who really robbed people for tens of millions?

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (4, Informative)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925089)

Of course not. The MAFIAA weren't calling for his blood!

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (2, Informative)

turkeydance (1266624) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925527)

kinda/sorta like Waco without the wackos.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (4, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925881)

And without the religious people.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (1)

SuperRenaissanceMan (1027668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925895)

only because Louis Freeh wasn't in charge

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926099)

Not RIAA. Universal Records.
They were the ones who demanded youtube remove Megaupload's ad/music video (and also Tech News Daily which included a 15-second clip of the ad). They were the ones who became upset when a judge ruled, "You can't claim ownership of somebody else's ad, or the artists that participated." They were probably the ones who called the Obama White House and demanded action, so the White House ordered the raids in foreign countries.

Welcome to facism (aka "corporatism" according to Benito Mussolini). The government ignores the law, ignores the court orders, and just does whatever it takes to keep its corporate friends happy.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (0, Flamebait)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925281)

Madoff surrendered himself to police, so there was no need for this kind of muscle. Kim Dotcom barricaded himself in his bunker under his mansion, and is known for flaunting his gun collection (highly unusual in NZ).

But who really robbed people for tens of millions?

You're right, Dotcom only robbed people of millions, not tens of millions - insider trading and embezzlement [wikipedia.org]

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925333)

Clearly you lack reading comprehension skills. Kim Dotcom was already charged, convicted, and punished of crimes. There is no need to punish someone again. Furthermore it is standard practice for people that have this kind of mansion to go to an emergency room whenever anything odd is afoot. He realized it was the police, kept the door unlocked and waited for them to come to him so he wouldn't be shot.

He had no option to surrender himself to police because he was not sent a polite letter like Madoff. Dotcom was punched in the face and handcuffed all while FBI agents from the US were watching.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925589)

You're right, Dotcom only robbed people of millions, not tens of millions - insider trading and embezzlement

Of course that may be true, but it is also completely irrelevant. According to wikipedia : "Dotcom also pleaded guilty to embezzlement in November 2003 and received a two-year probation sentence."
I find it amazing that the most common reaction is -- "yes, what happened would have been normally wrong/unlawful, but since Dotcom is a sleazebag, then it's ok. He had it coming." Laws should be applied the same way regardless of how much of an asshole the particular person happens to be.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926155)

The difference here: if I recall correctly, Madoff was arrested by a couple (or at the most 5 or 6) lightly armed FTC investigators and FBI agents wearing ties. Madoff's crime: investor fruad in which he bilked hundreds of people directly out of $50 billion in a 20 year operation that had the respect of many wall street "experts" before he was caught. Wasn't he called the "darling" of wall st. or some shit? Dotcom: arrested by over 30 heavily armed New Zealand peace officers in armour using paramility tactics. Dotcom's crime: he sold advertising on a website that stored files placed there by users.

I for one have a problem with this.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925661)

He stole from no one, the court case to date is starting to show that. He barricaded himself after unknown armed assailants attacked the property. Consider this, does a kidnapper only need to use the magic word 'police' for a person to surrender themselves to an unknown fate or is more substantial identification required.

Two policeman gainded admittance to the property the day before and could have quite easily arrested him. The reality here, is it was a show, forced upon New Zealand by the US government at the behest of the RIAA/MPAA, with possible lethal consequences, a straight up corruption of legal practices in two countries, that can pretty well be laid right at the feet of Barack 'The Betrayer' Obama.

This distortion of the law to create a big show as a threat to others pretty well destroyed the case ie greed driven stupidity.

The biggest crime of the last decades, lobbyists, they have robbed people of billions even trillions in the corruption of democracy and the resultant psychopathic distortions in economy. Right now every lobbyists practice should be subject to that kind of raid.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925923)

President Obama is not a betrayer. He is an honest politician. An honest politician is one who once bought, stays bought. He performed at the behest of his backers. Strangely enough, the people that back him also back his opposition. Issues like abortion, gay rights, civil rights and other push button issues that get people screaming names at each other and waving signs are only positions to politicians. These emotion charged issues are used to divide the people so that they don't notice their government being purchased right in front of their noses. The irony is that one trip to opensecrets.org will show you who owns your favorite candidate but people naively think that their candidate actually cares about them and their interests.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (2)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926165)

Dennis Kucinich.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926233)

You think Obama's a betrayer?

Take a close look at the shitbag whose running against him. You're not even worthy to shovel his horse's shit.

Well, it worked for Osama Bin Laden (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926333)

The whole Whitehouse staff was watching the Dotcom raid on closed circuit TV. The servers, once shot to death, were flown to an aircraft carrier where an IT specialist gave an eloquant Pastafarian ritual. The servers were then tied to the largest non-floating object they could find (an F16) and dumped into the Pacific Ocean. The Orcs (from Weta Digital) were caught by suprise and failed to react on time to save their masters.

Unlike previous fiascos in Iran and Pakistan, the brilliant minds behind this daring raid didn't lose a bunch of helicopters (not even a secret helicopter). MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925347)

I would like to know what they're looking for. Something was uploaded that had to be taken down quick...

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (5, Informative)

thelexx (237096) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925597)

Corzine. Hundreds of millions in 'segregated' funds. Currently enjoying new multi-million dollar offices on Wall St.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925609)

Millions? Try billions of $$! Madoff is/was the biggest thief the world has known about, at least that we know about for sure.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926063)

For American units of "billion". ;-)

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925667)

On Bernie Madoff.

Madoff is part of the ruling class.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925943)

Was. You can steal all you want from the little people but I think he got a little greedy and stepped on someone else turf.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (3, Insightful)

Patent Lover (779809) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925907)

It appears that the New Zealand SWAT team is like the SWAT teams in so many backwater U.S. jurisdictions. They might get some kind of real hostage situation once a year. Therefore they have to justify their expensive existence by smashing down the doors of non violent minor offenders.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926071)

Yes.

Stupid cops are stupid-- no matter where in the world.

Really, wondering when folks are going to wake up the the fact that police are protecting and serving, but not the people. They are traitors to their own brothers-- faithful servants to the rich and powerful.

Funny thing demonstrated here is that while cops are servants to all rich and powerful, apparently even among their rich masters, some are more powerful than others.

Re:They Didn't Pull This Kind of Muscle (4, Funny)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926095)

That is just the cultural difference between the nasty gun slinging New Zealanders versus the polite, peace loving Americans.

Good thing they launched an aggressive assault (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925083)

I mean, such a violent guy.... he's like a terrorist. His children could have been at the windows with their ak-47s.

Re:Good thing they launched an aggressive assault (2)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925955)

It could have been worse. They might have burned the place down with his kids in it.....but then that's the ATF's modus operandi.

Re:Good thing they launched an aggressive assault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926059)

The one in the mothers womb was armed with a PP k?

AMERICA IS PIG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925101)

I'M A CYBERLOCKER IN NZ
      SON OF A BITCH AMERICAN
      AMERICAN IS PIG
      DO YOU WANT A HAMBURGER?
      DO YOU WANT A PIZZA?
      AMERICAN IS PIG DISGUSTING
      GEORGE WALKER BUSH IS A MURDERER
      FUCKING U.S.A

This would have been called terrorism (2)

sabri (584428) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925103)

If it would not have been to capture an armed and dangerous mafia boss..

Oh, wait...

Several reasons come to mind... (4, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925105)

...to stage a raid on a high-profile target like this...

First, shock-and-awe factor, in the real terms of cowing the target of the raid and ancillary subjects so that they don't do something dangerous to the authorities, like grab weapons. This can be especially important for security staff that might not be wired quite the same as everyone else.

Second, disruption of other elements of critical thinking. If there are things to be destroyed, from the perspective of the target of the raid, this might disrupt that plan.

Third, and in my opinion, most likely, to make a show of force for others. My guess is that this raid didn't require air support, a number of practiced officers could have detained or arrested people on the ground, even security, quickly enough, if enough people were involved in the raid in the first place. It is possible that this was more cost effective in not requiring as many officers to breach and secure, but helicopters aren't cheap either.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925197)

The elements of critical thinking were already disrupted in the people that authorized that kind of things, no need to look elsewhere.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (5, Insightful)

stms (1132653) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925229)

Watch the video the servers were seized before the raid occurred. There was little evidence Kim had access to to destroy at the time of the raid.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (5, Insightful)

MrBigInThePants (624986) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925239)

All very valid and totally justified reasons...if you live in a police state.

NZers are generally shocked and totally disgusted with their police force over this. Especially the co-towing to the US authorities part.

Given the current right-wing government's stance on doing whatever the US or its corporate owners say it is not surprising...

Ref:
- Changing employment law for the hobbit movie
- Signing up to ACTA despite it being bad for NZ
- 3 strikes law
- General foreign policy
- Our special forces in Afganistan

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (2)

styrotech (136124) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925437)

Given the current right-wing government's stance on doing whatever the US or its corporate owners say it is not surprising...

Ref:
- Changing employment law for the hobbit movie
- Signing up to ACTA despite it being bad for NZ
- 3 strikes law
- General foreign policy
- Our special forces in Afganistan

Out of those 5 examples, I can only think of one (the hobbit employment law thing) that might have played out differently under the previous Labour government. Some of them were already happening or at least in play previously.

Not that I'm excusing either party mind you.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925547)

Actually, not sticking up for old Johnny boy, but wasn't it his governement that put on hold the original 3 strikes law (after much kerfuffle) to get what we have today and not what was originally proposed? (although both are bad, I am sure the original bill was even more evil)

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925595)

kowtow

not co-tow

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926293)

> kowtow

> not co-tow

that is the question...

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (3, Interesting)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925697)

When they pushed the three strikes law through without oversight because of the earthquake... Man that pissed me off. And I live in California.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925703)

What will it take to get the kiwis to vote for someone who is going to put New Zealand first and stop bowing down to the US and big American corporations.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925741)

Is that you Winston?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925833)

Possibly.. just when you thought he was gone. ..

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925761)

+1. It's no wonder a good number of the anti-government, libertarian, crypto anarchists I've met have turned out to be from NZ. You make even us in the UK look unthinkingly defiant when it comes to US relations (and I am utterly disgusted with the spinelessness of our government in this area). Are self-loathing, shame, and cowardice requirements for those running for office there?

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926187)

You forgot
- selling off of all the government's strategic assets
- signing up to TPPA despite it being bad for everyone

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925365)

Yes, all over a website. What a dangerous individual. Truly a threat to national security!

Wait... I think I see a little girl running a lemonade stand down the street... without a permit! The army needs to get involved in this serious matter!

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925559)

I find your comment juxtaposed against your signature line amusing...

I'm not in favor of heavy-handed things that don't really affect a lot of people. Even if he's the biggest software/movie/music pirate or piracy facilitator in the world, one can argue that the number of people harmed by his actions is small, and the amount of harm caused to them is also small, relatively speaking on the latter. I would argue that a banker that profited off of the loss of someone's life savings has caused more real harm, and someone who has committed a violent crime has certainly caused more harm, and has the potential to cause more harm if likely to repeat the crime.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925775)

Doesn't matter how much harm was done - I don't care if it were Hitler that they were going after. If the person doesn't pose a threat, there is no justification for sending a heavily armed team with helicopters.

Re:Several reasons come to mind... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925743)

Nothing you said distinguishes this raid from any other instance of searching anything or arresting somebody. It's always possible that they will pull out a fully automatic rifle and lay waste to everything, but that possibility doesn't mean anything unless you've got a specific reason to suspect that that is what will happen. You either just accept that or you live in a police state with no rights. Unless you have good concrete evidence that searching an area is going to put the cop's welfare in danger, the proper procedure for searching an area is politely knocking on the door, showing the warrant and then proceeding to search the area. As long as the cop is not being prevented from doing his job he does not have any business being even just rude. What they actually did was send in a squad of heavily armed people with helicopter support to search the home of someone who makes a download service available and, as far as the story shows, that was done in the complete absence of any information showing that this person would be dangerous. If this is as it seems, drastic measures should be taken to root out that kind of culture in the police department responsible. Certainly in future, stunts like that should involve jail time for whomever ordered these measures (if things are as they seem, obviously).

What a Joke (4, Insightful)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925107)

Firstly, the NZ Police for being such a nice lapdog. Pretty funny when NZ stands up over something as silly as a nuclear free zone, but then does this.

Secondly, this is the time of when the government needs to smack the government, HARD, and award Kim damages. Nothing else is really acceptable.

Too much for such an intervention (4, Interesting)

L3sT4T (856344) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925111)

Is it me or that was the type of raid that could/might have been used to capture Osama Bin Laden ?

Dropbox (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925129)

And almost immediately Dropbox made it harder to share my family photos to extended friends and family (to new users).

Re:Dropbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925223)

And almost immediately Dropbox made it harder to share my family photos to extended friends and family (to new users).

What is new at Dropbox?

NZ Perspective (5, Insightful)

Seriousity (1441391) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925131)

As a New Zealander, I'm frankly outraged that the US has this kind of influence down here. It's about to get a LOT worse as the Trans-Pacific Partnership gets finished off and pushed through... Most people won't have even heard of it until the deal is done. Dodgy, dodgy secret deals with US corporations, and my country stands to gain absolutely nothing but the unjust legislative offspring off the MAFIAA.

Re:NZ Perspective (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925467)

As an American who has visited NZ and had a great time, I don't want NZ to be a puppet state of the US. There was no reason to launch this type of attack on Kim Dotcom. Let alone in a foreign country and having the US go after a non-American who never killed anyone is really shady.

Re:NZ Perspective (1)

Mistakill (965922) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925725)

I agree, as a Kiwi, its terrible... sadly business counts for more than the public it seems

Re:NZ Perspective (1)

Flere Imsaho (786612) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925847)

Keep this in mind when voting next time then. How Key gets away with this and the Sky City fiasco is beyond me.

Re:NZ Perspective (2)

sdguero (1112795) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925889)

I would be furious if I was a Kiwi... Only advice I can really come up with is pretty straightforward: VOTE THEM OUT! In my experience though, most Kiwis care more about their day to day worries than what is happening to their basic civil rights (like most Americans).

As a Yankee who has spent a lot of time in NZ, I'm tired of personally getting blamed for the NZ government's actions (it has happened... a lot... At pubs, parties, bus stops, you name it, if a Kiwi hears an American accent there's a decent chance they will have a political bone to pick with you). The NZ gov't is more sold out to American corporations and special interests than the US government despite the fact that the NZ people have nothing to gain by it (at least in the USA the massive corporate profits mostly stay in country and get spent on fancy cars, swimming pools, and bar tabs). And it's not my fault!

Also, I think the two party system we have in the USA might makes us a little more resistant to politicians selling out (it definitely still happens though!) since both parties fear being called out by the other. In a 3+ party system, all you need is a coalition and it's harder to point fingers at coalitions since everybody ends up in some they don't like.

And don't even get me started on your tax code... :P

Disclaimer: I really love New Zealand, the people (Kiwi, Maori, and the interesting relationship between them) and love my relatives down there. I'm their bossy asshole American cousin/nephew/brother/in-law but they still find ways to love me back. And now I'm craving a lamb sandwich.

Re:NZ Perspective (3, Insightful)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925975)

>> Also, I think the two party system we have in the USA might makes us a little more resistant to politicians selling out

Its exactly because the US has (only) a 2 party system that the US is so bad.
  Both parties (who are just as bad as each other) screw the citizens equally, because they know if they go a little to far and lose power at very worst they'll have to wait 5 years before they're back in anyway.

Re:NZ Perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926023)

One world government will be a slow process but it has been underway for quite a while. It'll not likely ever resemble what we call government today; well, it many ways it will be similar to the corruption wrecking government today...

I don't fear the U.N. its the WTO and other groups who together form something approaching government but not likely to be formally recognized because that creates a single target for the world to oppose. One could think of how the Press and the other government branches interact, with the Press being an essential part of government but is a not part of the government. Yet they can interact and collaborate almost as if they were just part of the same organization; the firewall doesn't really exist and we just act like there is one because they are not merged.

Deals the public hates and does not often know about have POWERFUL forces behind the scenes; NZ can be threatened with economic sanctions and likely already has been. Wikileaks shows the state dept pulls such things to help US industries deal with other nations and former CIA and MI5 people have said they have been used to help corporations and not for their intended purpose. Only Cuba has been free from this kind of influence, but they are harmed economically and with CIA backed terrorist attacks and assassination plots. Its to the point where I doubt Castro is half as bad as they sell him to be - because anybody who dares fuck with the cabal is punished; and a people who fight back end up like Haiti... Kadafi was not a great guy; however, he was working on some banking stuff that was highly objectionable and that is why the French plotted to do him in; the uprising was just dumb luck they could join in and use; but they did send in people to stir up trouble to create a pretense for further action. Syria bucked the USA and was set for invasion during the early years of the Iraq invasion but they backed down so we were "friends" again; I'm wondering what is going on today with them -- it would seem that we are still happy with him because no actions are being taken, it might actually be a legit situation which is why we are not being consistent in our action-- the Kadafi excuse was false not only a cover motive but Kadafi wasn't killing people anywhere near what was said and the fool made his typical rash overstatements which they just ran with needing ZERO proof... Elsewhere we need proof of genocide then stall on that like it is global warming until nearly everybody is dead because the fact is politicians don't care; they just use emotional appeals when it is aligned with the REAL GOALS.

There is a long way for people to come to realize what is really going on and one has to be calm about it or you get pulled into the tin foil hat groups -- naturally, you'll be labeled by the ignorant as one of them already...

Dog & Pony show (5, Insightful)

CuriousGeorge113 (47122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925155)

This whole thing is just a huge dog & pony show by Hollywood and the FBI. Its the exact same tactics they use when they catch someone downloading illegal content.

Early on, they made a huge "example" out of the first offenders. Huge fines, drag them into court, media everywhere, blah blah blah. Now, the majority of the cases settle for a few thousand bucks and everyone moves on.

Well, this is their first hosting provider that they (HollywoodFBI) have gone after, and they want to put on a big show so that everyone else knows they mean business. They'll bring in helicopters & troops & go after your kids and pregnant wife if you don't play by their rules.

Re:Dog & Pony show (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926145)

Interesting point you make. Anyone have any general input on how it's going with those law suits? It's been a long time since I've seen anything about it on this site.

waa waa waa (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925157)

So a criminal who became extremely rich from shady filesharing + other operations was arrested in such a way as to prevent him from destroying evidence. What is your point here, apart from brown-nosing some guy you have a mancrush on?

Megavideo was a nice thing to have, as was Megaupload. But, just as I don't give a fuck about publishers whining that their stuff has been copied without authorisation, I don't give a fuck about this larger-than-life playboy losing the gains he didn't deserve to make. Pirate as much as you want, but profit from piracy and you've lost all the moral high ground.

The "pregnant wife" stuff is particularly bullshit. Unless she was being imprisoned in the house, she knew what was giving her the luxuries she enjoyed.

Re:waa waa waa (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925251)

So a criminal who became extremely rich from shady filesharing + other operations was arrested in such a way as to prevent him from destroying evidence. What is your point here, apart from brown-nosing some guy you have a mancrush on?

Megavideo was a nice thing to have, as was Megaupload. But, just as I don't give a fuck about publishers whining that their stuff has been copied without authorisation, I don't give a fuck about this larger-than-life playboy losing the gains he didn't deserve to make. Pirate as much as you want, but profit from piracy and you've lost all the moral high ground.

The "pregnant wife" stuff is particularly bullshit. Unless she was being imprisoned in the house, she knew what was giving her the luxuries she enjoyed.

Advertising?

Re:waa waa waa (1)

Fned (43219) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925287)

...arrested in such a way as to prevent him from destroying evidence.

What, like, to keep him from jumping into his fucking time machine and going back to before the authorities had siezed the Megaupload servers?

Re:waa waa waa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925623)

This is AMERICA! Facts have no place in AstroTurf PR! And, we're proud of it!

Re:waa waa waa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925307)

Hi Mr. Dodd,

"Shady", "brown nosing", "mancrush", "particualrly bullshit" ?

You are the pot calling the kettle black.
Your political prostitution is disgusting.

Go read your own Chis Dodd career history. Now tell me who those words describe.

Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925319)

Kiwis are bored and feel left out, especially the NZ media which desperately craves big time American-style action and excitement.

So, everyone who does anything online is a 1337 h4x0r genius ubercrim preparing to hold the world to a Bond villain-like ransom.

Every 12-year-old kid of Asian descent who gets picked up shoplifting sweets is a Triad boss.

Anyone who breaks any law is a "cunning and daring" master criminal, which is why the NZ police haven't yet captured them/which is why the NZ police are so amazing for capturing them.

The NZ government, like some 14-year-old emo kid, is desperate to be noticed by big, powerful grown-up governments, and so will comply with any demands if it means an opportunity to be seen with somebody who may have been on the cover of Time magazine.

It's all simply the inevitable consequence of living in a tiny country at the bottom of the world, forgotten by everyone else.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925451)

Kiwis are bored and feel left out, especially the NZ media which desperately craves big time American-style action and excitement.

So, everyone who does anything online is a 1337 h4x0r genius ubercrim preparing to hold the world to a Bond villain-like ransom.

Every 12-year-old kid of Asian descent who gets picked up shoplifting sweets is a Triad boss.

Anyone who breaks any law is a "cunning and daring" master criminal, which is why the NZ police haven't yet captured them/which is why the NZ police are so amazing for capturing them.

The NZ government, like some 14-year-old emo kid, is desperate to be noticed by big, powerful grown-up governments, and so will comply with any demands if it means an opportunity to be seen with somebody who may have been on the cover of Time magazine.

It's all simply the inevitable consequence of living in a tiny country at the bottom of the world, forgotten by everyone else.

I think I went to New Zealand once, it's right beside Florida at the edge of the World..... right?

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925483)

It's not too far from Australia. Australia is the place full of dust, dangerous creepy-crawlies, passed-out drunk men, and aged, leathery women with voices capable of shattering crystal. On second thoughts, New Zealand is in fact not far enough away from Australia.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (2)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925857)

I think I went to New Zealand once, it's right beside Florida at the edge of the World..... right?

New Zealand is like Australia's Canada.

New Zealand is like Australia's Canada. (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926029)

I think I went to New Zealand once, it's right beside Florida at the edge of the World..... right?

New Zealand is like Australia's Canada.

Oh, so Australia has 51 states too? Cool.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926043)

Australia is like NZ's North Korea.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (2)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926127)

Or Belgium's Netherlands? Or Venezuela's Cuba? Or Phillipine's Brazil?

Typically Aussie's get along quite well with Canadians. Just don't offer them a Fosters. They don't drink that crap.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925651)

Same here in Australia.

All things Australian are geared towards being American and everyone in Australia wants to be American. Any time an Aussie actor lands a role in an American movie or TV show it's like we ALL did and any time Australia gets a mention for any reason in the American press it's like everyone in Australia won the lottery or something.

You'd think that after all this time we would have grown up and become happy with ourselves but no, we are still trying to be somebody else and somebody "better". Why the fuck we think being American would be better than being Australian is beyond me, but there you go.

Re:Nothing of interest ever happens here in NZ. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925691)

Same here in Australia.

All things Australian are geared towards being American and everyone in Australia wants to be American. Any time an Aussie actor lands a role in an American movie or TV show it's like we ALL did and any time Australia gets a mention for any reason in the American press it's like everyone in Australia won the lottery or something.

You'd think that after all this time we would have grown up and become happy with ourselves but no, we are still trying to be somebody else and somebody "better". Why the fuck we think being American would be better than being Australian is beyond me, but there you go.

All I know about Australia is that Dingos eat your babies.

A guide to appropriate use of armed force (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925425)

If it would look stupid as a 3D shooter, then you've probably used too much.

Unless of course 'disarming unarmed citizens' and 'avoiding pregnant wife' suddenly became genre staples.

who knows? (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925429)

Certainly not anybody posting here. Maybe they wanted to make sure they got somebody in there before he could destroy any evidence. Maybe they thought he might flee in his own chopper. Maybe they just thought it would be more fun that way.

HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925445)

But worse guys have got off so I say, let him go with a warning and fine !! 500 million american should cover the loss of all the big artits !! We don't care about no stinkin small artits !! Fake artits, neither !! Gotta be real to get your share of wht DotKing stole !! And it only is a start !!

He Hosted Stolen Content (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925459)

We can fake outrage over poor innocent Kim Dotcom. We can compare him to more egregious criminals (Madoff). We can white about excessive police force. But the reality is, he was hosting stolen content. His entire business model was built around hosting stolen content. You may not like our laws, but they are the law. If you want them changed, do something about it. The fact is that the government, created by the people, took action to defend the law. I don't care if you are democrat, republican, libertarian or other, if you dislike it, go become active in your local politics, start making a difference (and that doesn't mean occupying a random street corner). We need your outrage focused on fixing our government, not complaining about it from the sidelines.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925601)

Guess what, Slashdot hosts stolen content too. Sometimes submitters copy paste articles into Slashdot. Would you fault Slashdot for hosting stolen content? And would you justify Rob Malda's house being raided with a fucking SWAT teams and helicopters?
 
And unfortunately I dont live in US or NZ. The only way I can hope to fix these is to get my country to go to war with one of these. For some reason I dont like that option.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925965)

... And unfortunately I dont live in US or NZ. The only way I can hope to fix these is to get my country to go to war with one of these. For some reason I dont like that option.

of the two you'd be best off attacking NZ - we don't have anything resembling defenses. We rely soley on the fact that no one can be arsed coming so far to conquer a big sheep farm.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926299)

No, but we can tell the unions that "they're coming to take our 4 weeks paid leave" and they'll crush any attacking force like a bug.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926057)

Is that a chopper I hear? Hey! Who are you g...............

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925639)

And here we have it.The outraged voice of content owner, happy that the rabid pirate and his wife got to taste the divine justice.
I was afraid you were not on line today.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925819)

Yeah, sure, he's a sleaze. But he's not even remotely a criminal. Contrary to the implication of your post title, he stole nothing, and provided no material assistance to any actual theft. All he appeared to do, all even the prosecution alleges he did, was help other people violate some licenses. Nothing at all was stolen. Not a scrap of paper or speck of dust was wrongfully taken away from someone who owned it. Nevertheless, the license violations certainly do expose him to a wide range of civil complaints, should the content owners ever decide to sue him--I personally think they have a decent case against him, in addition to the strong cases they could build against the actual infringers. But it's simply factually incorrect to compare him to an actual criminal like Madoff. It's more accurate to compare him to a divorcee in a nasty custody dispute. No crime doesn't mean there isn't still lots of drama, and bad behavior all around.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925823)

Who's Law?
The US? the company was based in Singapore if i understand it correctly?
the CEO was living in New Zealand, what about their laws?
PLEASE provide some examples of laws broken?
who broke the law, the corporate entity (more likely) or the staff?
the users uploaded the content, why didnt the government subpoena the ip addresses and go after them?
they followed DMCA rules, so what laws did this company break?

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926215)

Who's Law? Jude of course.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926183)

I know, eh. One day someone uploaded a Hannah Montana DVD and my copy stopped working. They deprived my family of their use of a DVD by uploading it. I demand justice!

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926371)

There is no such thing as 'stolen' anything on the internet. Propaganda fail.

He Hosted Stolen Content (-1, Troll)

slash1111 (1002071) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925509)

We can fake outrage over poor innocent Kim Dotcom. We can compare him to more egregious criminals (Madoff). We can white about excessive police force. But the reality is, he was hosting stolen content. His entire business model was built around hosting stolen content. You may not like our laws, but they are the law. If you want them changed, do something about it. The fact is that the government, created by the people, took action to defend the law. I don't care if you are democrat, republican, libertarian or other, if you dislike it, go become active in your local politics, start making a difference (and that doesn't mean occupying a random street corner). We need your outrage focused on fixing our government, not complaining about it from the sidelines. (reposted because slashdot was being odd and not keeping my login right when I went to post, when used from chrome, but okay in firefox)

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925663)

Note to Serf: Time to ditch this sock-puppet account.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40925777)

We can fake outrage over poor innocent Kim Dotcom. We can compare him to more egregious criminals (Madoff). We can white about excessive police force. But the reality is, he was hosting stolen content. His entire business model was built around hosting stolen content. You may not like our laws, but they are the law. If you want them changed, do something about it. The fact is that the government, created by the people, took action to defend the law. I don't care if you are democrat, republican, libertarian or other, if you dislike it, go become active in your local politics, start making a difference (and that doesn't mean occupying a random street corner). We need your outrage focused on fixing our government, not complaining about it from the sidelines.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926207)

Um... why should a person in New Zealand follow U.S. laws? Furthermore, if he were to be subject to our laws how exactly was he breaking the DMCA? He helped the media industry by giving them the ability to immediately take down infringing content, circumventing the lengthy process of DMCA takedown notice.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (3)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925789)

An interesting point of view. Here's one to counter it. I've been following Robert Fripp's struggles to get UMG to give him a simple accounting of how many King Crimson and related releases have been sold, for several years now. What I'd more, in violation of contract, KC music has got on to online stores like iTunes. Will you support SWAT teams raiding UMG at gunpoint to seize those records, and if not, why not?

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

Patent Lover (779809) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925871)

Whoosh.

Re:He Hosted Stolen Content (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926081)

I'd pay to see UMG raided! Or maybe there's a torrent of it......

Like religion in the 1600's (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925891)

This is like religion in the 1600's and earlier controlling the government to take out those who didn't play by their rules. We are better off with the separation of church and state and will be better off with a massive reduction in the breadth and depth of copyright/patent rules. I agree that it is good that if someone writes a book that the publishing industry can't just rip them off. But I disagree that the writer of Happy Birthday is still able to control who sings his song all these years later. Even the same with the Beatles. By this point people should be at least able to rework them into something modern and potentially more interesting. I suspect that much of the lack of variety in pop music is that they don't dare do something interesting that might be similar to something done

Copyright rules at this point would be like a guy who you hired 50 years ago to paint one of your apartments is somehow able to demand 30% of the rent from that unit. He may have done a really really nice job but when you look at copyright as where the public good lay it would be better for all if these things came available way faster. Also the restrictions should be more relaxed. A song is the majority of a composition. Any copyright on a few riffs should be done in a year or two.

The same with a story. The whole composition might have a decade or two of protection but the characters and storyline should lose out in a few years. It is definitely time for new blood in the Star Wars series but even Harry Potter characters should be fair game soon if JK can't be bothered with continuing their journey.

Video? (1)

InspectorGadget1964 (2439148) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925897)

That looks like a computer animation. Do you expect me to believe that?

Raid was deemed illegal back in June (5, Informative)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40925941)

Can't believe I just spent 10 mins reading this guy's wikipedia entry yet this is the most important piece:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/28/kim-dotcom-judge-raid-illegal [guardian.co.uk]

It's clear that the FBI acting on behalf of the MPAA/RIAA had an overzealous NZ police force keen to impress.

The really interesting item for me was how UMG submitted an invalid takedown notice on a video on Youtube on baseless grounds. I'm surprised that some of the artists didn 't sue the record company.

Re:Raid was deemed illegal back in June (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926079)

The little saga with Universal, Youtube and Megaupload:
http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/universal-has-no-special-takedown-privileges-says-youtube/ [thecmuwebsite.com]

I love how Will.I.Am's lawyer tried to take the video as well even though his client had signed a contract.

I wonder if some legal eagles ended being fired ...

State violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926117)

State violence at its finest. When collecting evidence (computers, paperwork) and not disarming violent criminals, all you need is some regular plods and some pencil pushers. Disgusting.

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