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US Is Finally Cleaning Up Agent Orange In Vietnam

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the we're-gonna-need-a-bigger-mop dept.

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derekmead writes "It only took 40 years. And yes, Washington still disputes Hanoi's claim that up to 4 million Vietnamese suffered contact with the defoliant, which was dumped en masse in a U.S. air campaign to scorch away the dense jungle cover under which guerilla fighters hid. But the AP reports that the U.S. is finally set to start cleaning up the mess. The numbers are staggering: Between 1962 and 1971, the U.S. military sprayed some 20 million gallons of Agent Orange and a galaxy of other herbicides on nearly a quarter of former South Vietnam. The defoliant ate through about 5 millions acres – a tract comparable in size to Massachusetts – of forest. An additional half-million acres of crops were decimated."

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If I was cynical... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926669)

I would think that the clean up was a pre-requisite to the large resort chains going in and buying up the beach front...I hear it's beautiful there.

Re:If I was cynical... (2, Interesting)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927221)

yeah, cuz people LOVE jungles and snakes and 120F + 99% humidity and bugs and everything trying to eat you and unfriendly natives and polluted water.

Re:If I was cynical... (5, Funny)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927331)

So I see you've been to Florida lately. It works well enough here, doesn't it?

Re:If I was cynical... (5, Interesting)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928093)

They indeed do ... even if you were being funny.

With 6 million annual visitors and a 20+% growth rate, it currently is ahead of places like Argentina, Brazil, India, Japan and Australia ... while rapidly closing in on Hawaii, Portugal, South Africa and Egypt.

Also for the US audience - already twice the tourism level of Cancun - so don't doubt the big money that is about to pour into that place.

Vietnam is clearly heading to replace Thailand for many people.

No, you are not (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928041)

Vietnam is opening up to foreign investors, and the United States is increasingly in competition against the Chinese in the influence game in South East Asia

While the Vietnamese communist government may want to get on the side of the US to counter the red China, most people of Vietnam just do not trust Uncle Sam

What took place in the village of My Lai and the Gulf of Tonkin incident have burned into the brains of many Vietnamese

BTW, the clean up of Agent Orange should not only be done in Vietnam, but also in Laos and Cambodia

Too many deaths, sufferings, and deformations had resulted from the Agent Orange - and Uncle Sam must be man enough to acknowledge what they had done, and to amend the damages that they had caused
 

Re:If I was cynical... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928201)

I hear it's beautiful there.

KILGORE: "Well, why didn't you tell me that before? A good peak. There aren't any good peaks in this whole shitty country. It's all goddamn beach break."

MIKE: "It's pretty hairy in there. It's Charlie's Point."

KILGORE: "Charlie don't surf!"

Decimated? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926673)

So one acre in 10 was wiped out. Doesn't sound so bad.

Re:Decimated? (3, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926817)

How do you get nine acres to beat another acre to death?

Re:Decimated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928045)

Nice. You don't hear many good Roman jokes.

Re:Decimated? (0)

Cute and Cuddly (2646619) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927087)

Not so bad? Why don't we go and destroy 10% of the productive land in the US with poisonous chemicals and in the process, poision several million people while killing a few more millions just to have fun and then you tell me is not too bad.

Re:Decimated? (4, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927185)

Congratulations, in your haste to be OUTRAGED, you missed the fact that the GP was just making a (lame) joke about the definition of the word "decimated".

take that pinko scum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927275)

Plenty of liberal traitors would applaud the destruction of US agricultural. 10% would be a fine beginning in their eyes.

Of course we deserve it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927303)

Such a judicial lot those liberals and progressives...

Re:Decimated? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927291)

Whoosh.

Re:Decimated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928029)

Ha! We are doing just as bad to ourselves.

Re:Decimated? (-1, Troll)

Centurix (249778) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927439)

317,460 hogsheads covered 1,999,992 square furlongs in 408 fortnights, nice going USA!

What a waste of tax payer money! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926675)

Why do stupid bureaucrats keep spending our money on stupid stuff?
This money would be much better spent on NASA.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926743)

Why do stupid bureaucrats keep spending our money on stupid stuff? This money would be much better spent on NASA.

Or beer.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926803)

Fuck you America. No one likes you.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (0, Flamebait)

agm (467017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927021)

The money would be much better given back to the people it was taken from!

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (2, Insightful)

NouberNou (1105915) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927263)

So you plan to build the next mars rover? How about just the road to get to the place where the next mars rover will be built? Let us give private citizens and companies the power to do all of that and see how far they want to go spending their money. Quit thinking like a child and realize that there is a reason you are taxed, and its a good one.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (2, Interesting)

agm (467017) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927525)

So you plan to build the next mars rover?

Not by myself, no. But if even people want one built then they should use their own money to built one. If not enough people want to build one, then one will not get built.

How about just the road to get to the place where the next mars rover will be built? Let us give private citizens and companies the power to do all of that and see how far they want to go spending their money.

People can spend their money on what ever they like. They should not have it forcibly removed from them so it can be spent on something that *someone else* likes.

Quit thinking like a child and realize that there is a reason you are taxed, and its a good one.

The end is not the important part here, the means is. And the end does not justify the means. Compuslory wealth redistribution is nothing short of corrupt.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927825)

You mean the children of the slaves whos labor was stolen for hundreds of years? Maybe the native people who lived here before theere was an America? Perhaps the millions around the world that work for slave labor to produce all of the goods we use?

America has always been about taking from those with little to enrich the already wealthy. If the government took the money, it must be due to the people's weakness.

Re:What a waste of tax payer money! (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928325)

The money would be much better given back to the people it was taken from!

Are you advocating spraying American taxpayers with Agent Orange?

Um... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926683)

Why?

We never won that battle, so why should we pay to clean up the damages? Vietnam is still our "enemy" technically.

Re:Um... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926705)

People in the US don't want to go to buy clothes from Banana Republic only to find that they have Agent Orange on them.

Re:Um... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926845)

because insipid, guilt-wracked liberals run the country now.. you know the kind, the ones who preach 'cultural marxism' whereby the proletariat is swapped out for one side, and the bourgeois for the other...

Re:Um... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928067)

Take your retarded political crap back Yahoo Comments where it belongs. Stupid asshole.

That's funny.... (2)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926919)

The US barely helps allies it bombed.

Unless Laos got a gift card I'm unaware of?

Re:Um... (1)

Riceballsan (816702) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926985)

Well the US believes might makes right... so I'm assuming the fact that we lost means we were wrong?

Re:Um... (5, Insightful)

Bespoke (1421741) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927199)

My guess would be that Monsanto and Dow now have an Agent Orange clean-up chemical to sell and have been lobbying for this to boost their profits.

Re:Um... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927341)

Still our enemy "technically?" Relations with Vietnam were normalized years ago. We have an embassy there. We have trade agreements with them. I mean, yes, if you consider them to be gooks, then I guess you need to consider them our enemy but that's an individual thing.

Really, who gives a shit if we supply some technical support to cleaning up crap that we sprayed. Regardless of what you think of the war and the VC, it was a pretty fucking lame thing to do. Kind of like the military equivalent of peeing on someone. Poisoning their ground and water. Ill-conceived nonsense like that should be handled properly; god help us if we take the high ground for once. Oh noes...we're showing weakness...we're not a super-power anymore, we're a bunch of weak kneed socialists. Short-sighted is short-sighted. In that part of the world, it's just as valuable having friends and influence now as it was when we did it by fighting in the jungles.

Re:Um... (5, Insightful)

Immerman (2627577) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928001)

Hear, hear. Considering that the US's days as the uncontested military superpower are likely numbered (I'd give us a few more decades at most), it seems to me it makes good long-term strategic sense to start cultivating friendships and good will now, when our actions still matter. Especially considering the massive loss of global good will we've suffered in the last decade.

Re:Um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928025)

As I recall US and Vietnam normalized their relationship during the 90s.

20 million gallons I know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926687)

...but how much is a galaxy?

Re:20 million gallons I know... (2)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926733)

About 82 cubic feet [wikipedia.org] , if you include storage on the roof. Though how they managed to send it back in time is still an open question. Or perhaps they meant a Galaxie [wikipedia.org] .

Decimated? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926759)

An additional half-million acres of crops were decimated

So there was still 450,000 acres of crops left?

Five million acres (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926765)

Added a whole new dimension to the old tactic of slash and burn, didn't it?

Re:Five million acres (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926911)

Not if you keep up with non-mainstream media environmental efforts. Brazil deforested the Amazon by over 1 million hectares every year between 1991 and 2004. Thats far worse than what the U.S. did in Vietnam over a longer period of time (in terms of simply land damage).

Re:Five million acres (0)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926979)

I was referring specifically to wartime slash-and-burn tactics, like those employed by Sherman during the United States Civil War (I), for instance.

Re:Five million acres (2)

deesine (722173) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927319)

Do the trees know the difference?

Re:Five million acres (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927631)

Do the trees know the difference?

The fact that they're de-toxing the soil 40 years later tells me there's a difference. Simple slash-and-burn at least allows regrowth if the farmers go away.

Re:Five million acres (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927577)

If we're talking simply wartime slash-and-burn tactics, the unquestionable "winner" (again, in terms of simply land damage) is WWII. Between the the 2 nuclear bombs, the slash-and-burn tactics employed by the retreating Soviet army and the indiscriminate/random/inaccurate carpet bombing; WWII takes the cake.

Vietnam simply gets more attention due to the long-term effects of Agent Orange

Re:Five million acres (2, Informative)

macraig (621737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927793)

Vietnam simply gets more attention due to the long-term effects of Agent Orange.

And in that respect it's not unlike a nuclear blast (or meltdown), right? The "long-term effects" makes those far more destructive to an ecology and economy than even the most severe conventional warfare. The Chernobyl disaster was more destructive than German bombs and artillery of World War II; at least a bombed-out building can be rebuilt, but Chernobyl was like a real estate version of "denial of service"... can't even rebuild when the entire environment is still lethal. And don't forget the long-term effects to however much of the human element of the ecology that was exposed to it. Agent orange was the chemical version of the nuclear option.

Re:Five million acres (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928139)

Uh no.

First, Chernobyl wasn't destructive. Aside from the reactor itself, things only fell apart when Mother Nature started kicking the crap out of everything for several decades without any sort of maintenance.

Second, the environment around Chernobyl isn't lethal. Anyone spending time in there shouldn't expect to live to much past retirement, but you can say the same to chain smokers or extreme alcoholics.

Third, Agent Orange is only a problem because it was contained, used and applied in such poor methods/over-concentrations, that it largely didn't serve its intended purpose (defoliation and crop destruction). ANYONE would get sick if you took an industrial grade pesticide, concentrate it to military-grade levels and then poured MILLIONS OF DRUMS of it into the nearby air.

What the...? (1)

nicoleb_x (1571029) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926789)

I'm sure the "peace" treaty didn't include a herbicide clean up clause. War sucks, so why try to change that 40 years later? No matter what happens it will still suck.

Re:What the...? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926885)

To drum up a bit of positive PR in preparation for whatever war the USA is going to start next?

Re:What the...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926977)

War always sucks, but in this case, it was the US that was completely selfish and immoral...

Re:What the...? (1, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927203)

Not sure if you're aware, but wars are not contests in being selfless and giving towards your opposite. Generally the point is to win.

Re:What the...? (4, Insightful)

number11 (129686) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927347)

Not sure if you're aware, but wars are not contests in being selfless and giving towards your opposite. Generally the point is to win.

Yup. But the point was, this was an unnecessary war that was mostly being conducted because Lyndon Johnson couldn't figure out a way to withdraw that wouldn't result in people blaming him. And, like most wars, those who suffered were mostly civilians.

Sometimes I think that no country should be allowed to go to war, if it hasn't has a war on its own soil in the last fifty years. We (the USA, or rather the former Confedracy) last had a war on our soil in 1865 (if you don't count a few skirmishes in WW2), so we can't identify with the horror.

Re:What the...? (1)

Fred Ferrigno (122319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928263)

"Allowed to go to war"? How are you going to stop a country that decides to go to war anyway? By going to war with them?

Re:What the...? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927943)

The US didn't even manage to do that, though.
Back then the government of the UK had the sense not to get involved in whatever half-assed brawl the US decided to start. I wish they still did.

Re:What the...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927235)

in this case?

It's their land (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926797)

Let them clean it up.

Re:It's their land (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927397)

Ya, you shit the world, kill millions of humans, ruin their countries and let them deal with it....

Typical American.

Re:It's their land (2)

sco08y (615665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927443)

Ya, you shit the world, kill millions of humans, ruin their countries and let them deal with it....

Typical American.

You do realize Vietnam was a French colony, right?

Re:It's their land (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928319)

Your point being ... ?

That's nice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926821)

But what about our fathers who also had this shit sprayed on them and told to fuck off and die of cancer?

Re:That's nice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926879)

Pay their sons to go defoliate the fucking gooks shithole.

Re:That's nice (3, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926975)

Or their children who were born with birth defects...

Re:That's nice (3, Insightful)

Angrywhiteshoes (2440876) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927653)

Or their children who were born with birth defects...

Exactly. It's a life-time battle just for a US Vietnam Vet to prove he was in the place he was in at the time this shit got sprayed on them, let alone get help for their children.

I can't imagine slowly dying of cancer and know that their children are 2nd generation casualties of this shit. This goes for both sides of the battlefield.

Re:That's nice (5, Interesting)

burningcpu (1234256) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927867)

My father served in Vietnam as a truck driver. The foliage on the sides of the roads were a main target for the agent orange deployments, and the truck drivers likely received a proportionally higher dose due to their continuing contact with the agent.

He major inflammation of the heart 6 months after returning from Vietnam, and a series of heart attacks from Ischemic heart disease over the next few decades. He had a multitude of other illnesses that are typically associated with exposure.

I was born with several birth defects. They are mostly manageable with medicine, but still, it sucked being 18 and having to take beta-blockers so my heart wouldn't tear itself to pieces.

My Father's illnesses are under presumed status, meaning that all he had to demonstrate in order to receive benefits was that he was in Vietnam during the time period agent orange was deployed, and that he had a disease recognized to be caused by exposure. This recognition did not happen until a few years ago. He had spent the last 15 years in near poverty as he could no longer work due to the advanced heart disease, which required a quadruple bipass.

The causality for my health issues is less defined, and I'm basically on my own for the treatment.

Growing up dealing with this, and watching my Dad fight PTS and his illnesses made me very suspicious of the government at a young age. Sadly, all that insight has seemed to gain me is a disgust for the blind and ignorant patriotism most people I meet seem to display.

Re:That's nice (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928133)

Sadly, all that insight has seemed to gain me is a disgust for the blind and ignorant patriotism most people I meet seem to display.

So you rather would be blindly and with ignorance following the herd? I would not say "sadly", I would say "luckily" as it allowed you to form your own opinion.

Re:That's nice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927159)

You're fathers went to war to kill people in a spot of land that as none of are business. Your fathers are Darwin award winners.

Re:That's nice (3, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927209)

Your fathers are Darwin award winners.

+1 Unwitting Stupidity

Re:That's nice (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927821)

You're fathers went to war to kill people in a spot of land that as none of are business. Your fathers are Darwin award winners.

Or they were drafted or conscripted - like mine.
And then their allies, the Americans, forgot to tell the Aussies - "Yo, spraying some nasty shit over here, might want to get out".
And then their kids (me), were born deaf and lost a father to cancer as a result of it.

So yeah, fuck you.

Re:That's nice (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927283)

My understanding is that they are well taken care of. Of course, the lawyers are sometimes better taken care of. The number of million dollar houses and children sent to ultraexpensive private colleges are amazing, but huge payments are also being made to veterans, even those that served only briefly. One of my colleagues was forced to retire early and one way he is making ends meet is through these payments.

This may sound like very little, but there are stories of major site in which mining and industrial action has rendered entire town uninhabitable. All these people receive are fair market value of their homes and a bit of moving expense. Of course since 2003 cleanup costs of many toxic sites have been borne by the taxpayer.

Re:That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927357)

My father fought for years for some fair compensation because of his exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam. He died days after a check was mailed to him, while unconscious, so he never knew that he finally won that battle while he lost the battle to cancer.

Agent Orange (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926855)

Created by responsible corporate citizens under the auspices of the Defense Production Act [wikipedia.org]

we're poor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40926935)

we can't afford to do these things

holy crap (0)

wukka (1319367) | more than 2 years ago | (#40926991)

clean up Agent Orange in Vietnam good...but you know Iraq & Afghanistan will be in line next, demanding cleanup & reparations for Depleted Uranium scattered all over their countries. Unkle Skam has printing presses churning out more $USD to throw around the world, that will fix the problems har har!

Never knew... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927049)

I knew there was massive amounts of the stuff sprayed - but until now I thought it had a short-term effect. My thinking was along the lines of "sprayed a lot of round-up, but it's gone now."

To find out that it hasn't gone anywhere, and is still effective and still dangerous... not a comfortable realization to find that one little fact was omitted from every class, book or documentary I've ever seen about the war. Makes me wonder if it was something that was considered a "given" for Agent Orange - and the tidbit was never passed on, or if it was intentionally obscured.

Now at a supermarket near you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927059)

Meanwhile, in the US, the FDA just approved this stuff to be sprayed on your vegetables...

Tough luck (-1, Troll)

russotto (537200) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927075)

They were the enemy. They won. If they didn't think (or weren't in a position) to impose terms requiring cleanup as part of a peace settlement, the US doesn't owe them anything now.

Re:Tough luck (1)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927105)

Maybe not, but the US is, as usual, trying to buy friends. Never works, but it never stops them from trying.

Re:Tough luck (2)

darkfeline (1890882) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927541)

Look at US politics. US logic: Buying friends works all the time here, so why not internationally?

Re:Tough luck (2)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927683)

Fair point. Now I'm sad...

Re:Tough luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927229)

This is either a PR stunt or the US is trying to befriend Vietnam, possibly because that would make invading Iran easier, or maybe to build yet another military base. It isn't about owing anything to Vietnam, because, really, Vietnam couldn't force the US to pay if they tried.

Re:Tough luck (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927345)

You forgot the other enemy, China. You know, the one that Vietnam borders on.

Re:Tough luck (2)

Sollord (888521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927667)

Pretty much this but not sure it its in the sense you meant it... The US is buttering up Vietnam because of China and we Vietnam isn't really against being friends with eh US now it counters China's influence in the region it's also why they're working with Russia it's all about containing the influence of China and the negative impacts i might have in Vietnam

Re:Tough luck (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927547)

This is either a PR stunt or the US is trying to befriend Vietnam, possibly because that would make invading Iran easier, or maybe to build yet another military base.

Yes, that's what we need to invade Iran: a base that's on the other side of India and Pakistan.

Re:Tough luck (2)

neonsignal (890658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927487)

Define "won". And then try explaining it to a Vietnamese civilian who went through that war.

Re:Tough luck (4, Insightful)

MtHuurne (602934) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927583)

They won in the sense that they kept fighting until the US decided to pull out. It's not like they were marching on Washington DC. Your reasoning would only make sense in a symmetric war.

Re:Tough luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927679)

They were the enemy. They won. If they didn't think (or weren't in a position) to impose terms requiring cleanup as part of a peace settlement, the US doesn't owe them anything now.

People like you make me hate humanity. That is all.

Re:Tough luck (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928085)

The whole world owes it to its own continued survival to rid itself of callous greed and forked tongues; and the blind obedience to them, which you so aptly expressed.

Someone found oil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927337)

Haliburton must be getting thirsty or something.

Pssst, hey IRAQ, I heard about US WMDs (2)

Maow (620678) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927535)

Interesting that US WMDs are still poisoning a country half a world away, whilst US forces are in another country, nearly half a world away (other direction) on a hunt for bogus WMDs.

If I were cynical, I'd call that hypocritical.

Re:Pssst, hey IRAQ, I heard about US WMDs (1)

Sollord (888521) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927759)

Agent orange isn't realistically considered a WMD since it the side effects from over exposure that can potentially be fatal compared to real WMDs like Nuclear weapons and Chemical (VX and Sarin) and Bio-Weapons (Anthrax) that are designed to do one thing and that is kill en mass

Waste (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927551)

What a waste.

Any Chance they will clean up Elmira, ON? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927571)

Agent orange has poisoned the water supply and people of Elmira, Ontario to the point that for the past two decades the water supply is completely unusable in that city.

You would think the US would start with their friends up north before they start with the people they were trying to kill!!! WTF is wrong with your country?

fUZZY kITTEH (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40927731)

i THINK tHE cLeAN uP OuGHT TO BE Done by A fUzzY kITTEH
kIttEh hAs Always Been A bIg PArt Of cLeaNiNG aGENT oRange fROM tHE kEYbOARD,
lOOK AT All thAT fUr In bETwEen ThE kEyS!

Nasty stuff that Agent orange? (3, Interesting)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927737)


I was in Nam towards the end ('73) while in the Army, I was stationed at an abandoned
Air Force hospital (flush toilets, hot water, Hooch's) - a Mash unit at Tuy Hoa.

Apparently different companies "downsized" together into one. A conex that had
been some groups bagage had been sitting alone outside of our hospital since I'd been there.

Bored I poked through it one day. It was filled with stuff I couldn't explain then nor now. A lot
of atropine self injectors (they make lousy darts), cases of them and new rubber suits.

Imagine Dracula's cape with a hood, I wanted one for myself. It was made
entirely out of a thick soft rubber, with it and other items I found, one could be
completely covered and safe from nerve gas (my first impression).

I haven't heard of anything thing that could justify such an outfit, except agent orange.
If it were used in it's dispersion, Agent orange was seen as some nasty stuff
by those who used to own that conex.

monsanto (1, Informative)

robbie73 (2650527) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927797)

Monsanto and Dow have been poisoning the U.S. population for decades - now under the disguise of "GMO"

Re:monsanto (-1, Troll)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | more than 2 years ago | (#40927999)

You'll probably get mod'd "troll" around here with such sensible comments, but I agree. Agent Orange, Aroclor xxxx - PCB, "corn", Terminator seeds, rBGH.
WTF's next? Genetically Modified Lobbyists?

Re:monsanto (1)

mister2au (1707664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928145)

'troll' or 'off-topic' --- take your choice

America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928015)

What we don't break, we shit on.

Irrationality triumphant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928111)

You seem to be arguing that only America is responsible for the damage inflicted in war.
Should the U.S. clean up the shrapnel in Germany and the bomb fragments in Japan?

Uranium (0)

Fuzzums (250400) | more than 2 years ago | (#40928117)

We're waiting for the clean up of the depleted Uranium bullets and shizzle that was dumped in Irak.

5 Millions Acres? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928175)

Engrish? Ya don't say?

Interesting nomenclature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40928177)

Since when are dioxins named exfoliants. Or is this just to make the American public feel better.
The exfoliants: highly carcinogenic and cause birth defects.
The dioxins: highly carcinogenic and cause birth defect. Plus they remain in the human body forever after exposure. Plus, there is no way to remove dioxins that have been sprayed all over. This is not some kind of small industrial accident or leak, but the us contaminating an entire country!!!

And it didn't stop there, the us stil releases toxic and carcinogenic chemicals in countries in its fight against terrorism and the wars that are supposed to bring freedom th the world. What a contradiction, wars for freedom...

Home of the brave and retarded. This much is clear!

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