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Ubuntu Delays Wayland Plans, System Compositor

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the differentiation-has-downsides dept.

GUI 319

An anonymous reader writes "The Wayland-usage in Ubuntu 12.10 via setting it up as a system video compositor has been delayed to at least Ubuntu 13.04. Developers made progress on running Ubuntu on Wayland (there are experimental packages available), but they need more time to complete their work and ready Wayland. For those wanting to try out Wayland on Linux, there is a specialty Wayland LiveCD."

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lol (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40952965)

Shit sux. X11 for life! Stop crapifying Linux with stupid eye candy trying to chase MacOS SUX and Windoze.

Re:lol (0)

fnj (64210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954009)

Post is insightful you stupid moron moderators.

The plan for your lady... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40952987)

Take her out to a romantic dinner. Whisper sweet nothings in her ear.

Later, when you've retired to the bedroom, ram it in the back door, With no warning given, no apologies offered. Trust me - your wife will thank you afterwards.

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40952991)

Disproof of all apk's statements: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40942031
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040803&cid=40950045
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040867&cid=40950563
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40950839
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041035&cid=40951899
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952169
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041091&cid=40952383
AND MANY MORE

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, She is Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953155)

So /this/ is what it's like to be insane...

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953295)

No, THIS [slashdot.org] is what it's like to be driven insane.

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953233)

Dude, you need to fuck off.

You said it (now, eat your words troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954061)

"Not natively on Windows, you have to install third party software to make 3D work on Windows." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, @11:05PM (#40941525) QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3033483&cid=40941525 [slashdot.org]

1.) OpenGL32.DLL will do 3d BY ITSELF exposing the OpenGL 1.1. standards' functionality (which vidcard OEM's driversets & libs enhance to higher OpenGL std. levels, which NVidia on Windows support as does ATI, probably others too)

See pertinent proof excerpt here:

---

How Does It Work On Windows? All Windows versions support OpenGL. The Microsoft Windows DLL opengl32.dll only directly exposes OpenGL 1.1 functions. The important thing to know is that opengl32.dll belongs to Microsoft.

FROM -> http://www.opengl.org/wiki/FAQ#How_Does_It_Work_On_Windows.3F [opengl.org]

---

2.) OpenGL32.dll's also a native Microsoft dynamic link library too, not a foreign non-OEM file, & yes, it does 3d display, unlike what you said above.

---

3.) OpenGL32.dll's not an emulator that produces OS environs "heavy weight" either (As Linux's WINE must do reproducing Windows itself in emulation, in essence on Linux to do an imperfect less than current Direct X - OpenGL32.DLL's NOT emulating Operating Systems!)

---

* THUS, once more? Well... you know:

You have to EAT YOUR WORDS!

(You know, they're yours & NOW? Spiced with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" & of course, lol, "flavored" with YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too, lmao!)

You're quoted in black & white above in grave technical errors as usual troll!

Just as I said how/when/where/who/what/when/why since OpenGL32.DLL does have 3d functionality by itself, & yes, OpenGL functionality driven too to many builds 1.1 - current 4.x iirc!

APK

P.S.=> By the way - "ENJOY YOUR LUNCH" (breakfast, & dinner too, because you'll be eating your words for a while now I think...)

After all: LMAO, see YOUR QUOTE ABOVE as proof of your colossal blunder - & my data disproving it entirely!

THIS? Well, lol, you KNOW I've just GOTTA say it "as-is-per-my-own-inimitable style"... This was JUST "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always is, because your ac trolling makes it so (how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

... apk

Coward APK shames his family (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954235)

Disproof of all apk's statements: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755 [slashdot.org]
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40942031 [slashdot.org]
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040803&cid=40950045 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040867&cid=40950563 [slashdot.org]
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40950839 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041035&cid=40951899 [slashdot.org]
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952169 [slashdot.org]
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041091&cid=40952383 [slashdot.org]
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40952991 [slashdot.org]
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954201 [slashdot.org]
AND MANY MORE

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, She is Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

Once again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954365)

From the top:

"Not natively on Windows, you have to install third party software to make 3D work on Windows." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, @11:05PM (#40941525) QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3033483&cid=40941525 [slashdot.org]

1.) OpenGL32.DLL will do 3d BY ITSELF exposing the OpenGL 1.1. standards' functionality (which vidcard OEM's driversets & libs enhance to higher OpenGL std. levels, which NVidia on Windows support as does ATI, probably others too)

See pertinent proof excerpt here:

---

How Does It Work On Windows? All Windows versions support OpenGL. The Microsoft Windows DLL opengl32.dll only directly exposes OpenGL 1.1 functions. The important thing to know is that opengl32.dll belongs to Microsoft.

FROM -> http://www.opengl.org/wiki/FAQ#How_Does_It_Work_On_Windows.3F [opengl.org]

---

2.) OpenGL32.dll's also a native Microsoft dynamic link library too, not a foreign non-OEM file, & yes, it does 3d display, unlike what you said above.

---

3.) OpenGL32.dll's not an emulator that produces OS environs "heavy weight" either (As Linux's WINE must do reproducing Windows itself in emulation, in essence on Linux to do an imperfect less than current Direct X - OpenGL32.DLL's NOT emulating Operating Systems!)

---

* THUS, once more? Well... you know:

You have to EAT YOUR WORDS!

(You know, they're yours & NOW? Spiced with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" & of course, lol, "flavored" with YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too, lmao!)

You're quoted in black & white above in grave technical errors as usual troll!

Just as I said how/when/where/who/what/when/why since OpenGL32.DLL does have 3d functionality by itself, & yes, OpenGL functionality driven too to many builds 1.1 - current 4.x iirc!

APK

P.S.=> By the way - "ENJOY YOUR LUNCH" (breakfast, & dinner too, because you'll be eating your words for a while now I think...)

After all: LMAO, see YOUR QUOTE ABOVE as proof of your colossal blunder - & my data disproving it entirely!

THIS? Well, lol, you KNOW I've just GOTTA say it "as-is-per-my-own-inimitable style"... This was JUST "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always is, because your ac trolling makes it so (how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

... apk on Windows, Well... you know:

You have to

Coward APK shames his family (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954389)

Disproof of all apk's statements: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040729&cid=40949719 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040697&cid=40949343 [slashdot.org]
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040597&cid=40948659 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40947927 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040425&cid=40946755 [slashdot.org]
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946043 [slashdot.org]
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40942439 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40942207 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40942031 [slashdot.org]
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038601&cid=40942085 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040803&cid=40950045 [slashdot.org]
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040867&cid=40950563 [slashdot.org]
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40950839 [slashdot.org]
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041035&cid=40951899 [slashdot.org]
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952169 [slashdot.org]
http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041091&cid=40952383 [slashdot.org]
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40952991 [slashdot.org]
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954201 [slashdot.org]
AND MANY MORE

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, She is Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

Re:Once again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954565)

this obnoxious fucknuts has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years.

alexander peter kowalski
903 east division st.
syracuse, ny 13208

dob: 01/31/1965

mother:
jan kowalski
dob: 12/03/1933

Re:Once again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954673)

Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly.

Re:You said it (now, eat your words troll) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954465)

alexander peter kowalski
903 east division st.
syracuse, ny 13208

dob: 01/31/1965

mother:
jan kowalski
dob: 12/03/1933

First Microsoft and now Canonical... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953005)

Will the new and better GUI that we the public have been demanding never arrive?

At this rate, it'll be Apple.

Re:First Microsoft and now Canonical... (3, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954067)

Wayland has little to do with GUIs; it's the software layer underneath the graphics.

Re:First Microsoft and now Canonical... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954507)

Wayland is stillborn thanks to the open source release of CDE!

Now GNOME and KDE will die their much deserved agonizing deaths!

Haha, seriously though, they've got wayland to fuck with. I wish they'd leave fucking X alone and at least have kept the goddamn DRI1/XAA support for older hardware that hadn't gotten updated. Besides which the latest X releases I'd imagine don't work on pre-3.x kernels, which means some people whose hardware is unsupported can no longer update to the latest version for patches/security fixes. Nevermind the bloat. Have you guys looked at the archive sizes for the 3.3.x X released, then compared them to the 4.x and now Freedesktop releases? They've like 20-40x larger! And if you go and look at the supported video platforms you might ask yourself *WHY*.

Wayland will just be more of the same.

What the hell is Wayland? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953013)

Yes, I know I can Google, but a one sentence description would've made the summary far more useful.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953041)

You must be new here, useful summaries are for other sites.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (4, Informative)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953255)

Wel basically it's a display server, like X11/X.org, except it's optimized to run locally, unlike X11/X.org which has it's origins in networked environments and tries its best to work either locally or remotely.

Except that X has been tinkered to work for desktop systems for so long that there little of that network oriented code left around, yet W, or Wayland, tries to get rid of that aspect completely.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (5, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953297)

Except that X has been tinkered to work for desktop systems for so long that there little of that network oriented code left around, yet W, or Wayland, tries to get rid of that aspect completely.

From the 10,000 ft view it sure looks like wayland is just reinvention for reinvention's sake and is likely to run into a whole host of problems that X figured out 20+ years ago.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (5, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953549)

Wayland is designed to fix a lot of the problems that X has. X, for historical reasons, does a TON of things. It has network transparency, it's responsible for input, for setting up the graphics card's memory and registers, drawing various primitive shapes, font rendering, etc.

But today 99% of the time people don't use the network transparency stuff in X, they run locally. But all sorts of memory has to be shuffled around. X mandates all sorts of bitmap formats that must be supported. Today the kernel, through KMS, can setup the graphics card. We have libraries like Cairo to draw basic shapes. Then there are all sorts of weird things that have been hacked into/onto X to support common features like resizing and rotating your desktop.

Wayland basically started with a blank slate. The kernel can setup the video card, so it won't do that. Most people don't use network transparency, so it doesn't do that (you can run an X client on Wayland, for when you still need the feature). The GUI toolkits and OpenGL libraries already draw everything, so it doesn't do that stuff.

LWN had an article [lwn.net] from two years ago about what Wayland set out to accomplish. Things may have changed since there, here are two [lwn.net] updates [lwn.net] from LWN describing Wayland earlier this year.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953613)

Serious question here - I keep hearing that Wayland will have a built-in window manager. Will this WM be programmable / extensible / customizable? I'm an AwesomeWM user - if there's no way to re-implement this for Wayland, feature for feature, count me out... I couldn't care less about how programs get remoted, but being able to customize the behavior of the window manager is _required_ - that's the killer feature... So I assume that I can run Awesome under Wayland, but it will only manage X clients; can Awesome be ported to Wayland itself, so that it manages X clients and native Wayland clients?

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953667)

Basically the idea of wayland is that by using the wayland libraries the window manager becomes the display server. There are no restrictions on how the window manager works, other than that it is a compositor. The end result is that you can have tiling window managers like Awesome but they will leverage the GPU a tiny bit for the rendering. From an end user perspective there is no reason you should see a change given that the devs are halfway competent.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (5, Informative)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953715)

can Awesome be ported to Wayland itself, so that it manages X clients and native Wayland clients?

Yes, but with a twist. Wayland doesn't have window managers as a separate process. Instead of porting your preferred window manager to work with Wayland, one would implement the Wayland protocol support in the window manager, with help from libwayland for the common parts. Supposedly the Wayland support only requires about as much code as the boilerplate for an X window manager. Of course, X core rendering and XRender will be unavailable. If the WM already uses a portable library like Cairo, GTK+ or Qt for rendering that shouldn't be a problem; otherwise all the drawing code would need to be ported as well.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953847)

Wayland is an attempt to remove the network transparency of X... in a world where everything is networked.

Some people might consider this utterly retarded.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954357)

Guess we must have a Wayland fanboy as a moderator today.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (5, Insightful)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953945)

I just realized why I ignore Wayland: every comment in favor of Wayland, somewhere in the comment, will have the same fallacy about the network feature of X being a problem. Myself and lots of others user the remote X feature on a regular basis. I and thousands of IT professional use remote access constantly on other platforms, mainly windows. Using any of the remote technologies available for windows makes me grind my teeth constantly since I was ruined by using X first and know how it should work instead of what I have to use every day. I assume I'm not alone or even just part of a small crowd in that respect..
If there's some good sources for the % of users who don't want it, that's fine. quote 'em and I'm glad to read up on it. But, most times I hear just claimed lack of need for it when I know at least for myself and many others remote X is one of the most valuable features in X. If there was at least SOME info on Wayland that either left off the comments about how bad remote X is or showed some facts to back the claim, I'd pay more attention. Unfortunately I've seen no comment yet for Wayland that does more than say "I don't know of anyone who uses remote X, so most users don't use it"
And, one day Wayland may actually catch on and take over the desktop in Unix. Now matter how good it is, it will be a sad day since a useful piece of functionality is thrown away when it used to be included for for free (free in terms of performance cost, free in terms of setup, free in terms of no effort needed for developers to support it, etc.). Doesn't make it easy to look forward to Wayland right now. This comment was at least less inflammatory than most and the rest of the comment was very informative, but I still would like just once for someone to back the claims against the network feature since I value myself quite a bit and have heard many others say the same.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954017)

Yes and people like you ignore the fact that you will still be able to run X11 apps on Wayland. Stop being a drama queen.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (4, Interesting)

dbc (135354) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954117)

But what about native Wayland aps? (Is there such a thing?) Will I be able to run those across the network? (Asking, I don't know.) Like the GP, I use X over the network. If I can run *every* graphical ap on my machine over the network, then, sorry, no sale.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954445)

But what about native Wayland aps? (Is there such a thing?) Will I be able to run those across the network?

No.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fippo (2695319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954627)

there are already vastly many things which you really cannot run over a remote X connection, but you seem to conveniently ignore this

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954687)

I haven't had the best performance with everything, but they all ran. And I've tried a lot....even xine runs OK remote....Doom3 ran, not playable, but then again, I was not on the same local network when i tried it. Menu's were fine. What have you ran into that does not work?

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

mdmkolbe (944892) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954341)

If Wayland catches on, there will be no more X11 apps. Everything will be Wayland apps.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954455)

The Wayland developers have repeatedly said they will support network transparency. Stop being a fucking drama queen.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954211)

I think Wayland is meant to move X and other legacy stuffs out of the local rendering path, making X second-class (and optional) citizen. This is one (big) difference between Wayland and previous attempts is that it is actually meant to work with X. Rather than removing X, It replaces X's position from being the center of the rendering universe. I don't know if Wayland would succeed, but it would satisfy both the network transparency AND the local desktop crowd. It seems like a very sane way to progress to me since I don't believe you'd want to run a lot of composite apps over X network protocol anyway. I think Wayland deserves the hype for what they're trying to accomplish.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954413)

That's my understanding as well. It would work like OS X where the X server is just another application you can launch that then handles the X clients.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954621)

Optional is the issue. With X remote is available ANYTIME it's needed. Or are you saying there's no way apps will be written directly for Wayland? If that's the case, why have it anyway?
Otherwise you're saying Wayland has a well designed and/or written migration path....but it's still migration AWAY from the feature that I and many others feel is important...

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fippo (2695319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954661)

X is remote "any time it's needed," except for all the many many times when the app was specifically not written to support it, or was written in a way where the performance is unusably bad when run remotely.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fikx (704101) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954709)

I'm not sure I understand "written to support it". That's my comment on X: written for X, it works remotely. What have you run into that didn't work? This is a serious question, since I haven't ran into any native X apps that didn't at least run. Network speed makes many perform bad, but it still works for the things I've tried....even Windows apps via Wine at least used to work, but I haven't tried that trick in a while.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954403)

Wayland supports X11 in the same way OS X does. There is an X server running as a Wayland client. It would work like a normal X server, doing all it's own compositing, etc., and then send the output to Wayland to be composited with all the other programs/windows.

If you launch the X client, normal X programs should continue to work.

I believe they specifically decided not to even try to make Wayland network transparent. I think you'd either have to run the program on the remote host and transfer everything VNC style, or implement your own GUI/processing separation and handle the networking between the two yourself.

There are people who use X forwarding, you're obviously one. I believe Wayland was designed from the ground up to make things easier for the client.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (3, Insightful)

fippo (2695319) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954645)

you already generally have to use something like VNC or xpra (layered over X, not really using it) in order to get reasonable performance or to detach and reattach remotely. X might seem like the answer until you try to use it... it isn't good enough because it's nowhere near usable as GNU screen.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954499)

A thousand or thousands is anywhere near the millions who don't.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954593)

The big piece of evidence is the failure of network transparency to become a killer feature of Linux. I started using X in '88 and was using it daily by '92. I thought X was amazingly cool the ability to send windows around change displays. I've seen corporate settings where these features are integrated into applications and made real use of. And certainly for system administration the ability to run X applications remotely has been useful particular to monitor. I thought this would be Linux's killer feature.

But in the end, X network transparency doesn't work very well over Wan. It doesn't work very well over MPLS. In general it doesn't work all that well for the situations where you couldn't just be using some sort of remote solution. X wasn't able to handle the security problems and so the whole infrastructure of remote X and remote shells has gotten more complex and thus less useful. So today even Linux apps use a web interface or a thick java client to do client server work. Which means network transparency failed to deliver an alternative to client server. I still use it a couple times a year, I certainly think its better than what you get on non network transparent GUIs when trying to operate them remotely. But ultimately if network transparency doesn't let you avoid the problems of web or thick clients, what's the point?

The main thing about Wayland is allowing applications to control drawing and make judgements like they do on non-network transparent systems. That technology works and is important. For simple apps that work well over WAN today there is no reason for them to ever move away from X, and Wayland will support X. But for the rest, something is better than nothing. Yes it is a pity that network transparency couldn't or wasn't made to deliver on its potential.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953643)

what about ancient X-related limitations that live and annoy the shit out of people to this day?
Ever heard of ridiculous limitation of 4 active keyboard layouts max? Long time ago someone decided that 2 bits in X11 protocol should be enough for everybody.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953813)

likely to run into a whole host of problems that X figured out 20+ years ago.

Too bad the Consortium never implemented an effective solution for most of 'em. I think that's the reason Canonical decided to use Unity. Shame they decided to almost completely re-design the UI. Mad bastards.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954027)

Too bad the Consortium never implemented an effective solution for most of 'em. I think that's the reason Canonical decided to use Unity.

That makes no sense. Unity runs atop X11.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954171)

Unity does, and it will run on top of Wayland as well, to make the transition from X11 to Wayland "transparent" for all of us. Never the less I personally hate it.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954271)

Yes, but your statement still made no sense. So because the X Consortium didn't fix bugs in X11, Canonical switched to Unity? WTF does that mean?

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954327)

Each to his own I guess but the more I use Unity the more I like it. I even like the dual monitor support everybody else hates.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953571)

No need to Google, OP! The Mighty Wikipedia has the answer: "Wayland first appeared in Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire novel. The planet was home to the Emperor's Mount Tantiss storehouse, which contained a cloaking device and cloning chambers that Grand Admiral Thrawn used in his war against the New Republic. Wayland was also home to the insane clone of the Jedi Master Joruus C'Baoth. The Mount Tantiss storehouse was eventually destroyed and C'Baoth killed. Wayland is the homeworld for the Psadan and the Myneirshi." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(Star_Wars)#Wayland) [wikipedia.org] In short Canonical has cowardly decided to forego its interstellar invasion plans.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953793)

Wayland was also home to the insane clone of the Jedi Master Joruus C'Baoth.

Just as an FYI, the Jedi master was Jorus C'Baoth. If memory serves, he was lost when his extragalactic exploration ship exploded.

His insane clone was named Joruus C'Baoth. It may be that the insane clone had an insane clone, but in that case the apparent naming convention would suggest that the clone's name would be Joruuus.

Just some memory flotsam from the late 90's that washed ashore when I saw your post...

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953579)

"Except that X has been tinkered to work for desktop systems for so long that there little of that network oriented code left around..."

Pardon? I might be missing something, but

localhost $ ssh user@machine.with.x11.net -X
machine.with.x11.net $ xterm

works just fine for me on machines whose sshd has been configured to allow X11 forwarding.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954355)

You just inspired me to log into my server and start an xterm. Strangely satisfying.

Goddamn it feels good to be a gangsta.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954481)

Here's a method [freedesktop.org] by which something similar might work in Wayland.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953675)

I don't think TPP was asking you to run Google for him. He was giving the editors a hard time for not answering an obvious question (WTF is it?) in their summary.

Not that Googling did you much good, since the Wayland web site is also sloppy about describing what they're doing, and you came away with the weird impression that it was about reinventing X on a different model. Not even close. Here's a much better summary from the Ubuntu site:

Wayland is a new protocol that enables 3D compositors to be used as primary display servers, instead of running the 3D compositor as an extension under the (2D) X.org display server.

Or, in layman's terms, it assumes you're using a 3D desktop from the start, instead of bolting on 3D capabilities to an 2D framework.

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954037)

Except that X has been tinkered to work for desktop systems for so long that there little of that network oriented code left around,

Excuse me whilst ssh to a machine in New York and run something which will display here on my machine in Scotland...
As I've been able to do so (without having to think too hard about it), oh, since around 1993 ('95/96 with ssh), with various incarnations of X11 running on various flavours of various linux distros, BSD distros, Solaris Distros, Irix distros, Digital Unix distros, etc. etc. etc.

yet W, or Wayland, tries to get rid of that aspect completely.

Then it's about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit and about as useful as a catflap on a sub.

The minute any Linux distribution takes this sort of shit seriously enough to offer it as the primary display system will mean some work for me as I'll be removing it from all my machines.

Mind you, the POS that is known as Ubuntu isn't installed on any of my systems anyway, either at home or at 'work' (had a long discussion with the CEO once about this, as he'd caught the 'Ubuntu good' BS bug a while back, finally persuaded him [after setting up a test machine with the then current stable versions of both distros] that we'd be better off talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey, so stuck with Debian for the desktops).

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954379)

about as useful as a catflap on a sub.

But I am a catflap on a sub you insensitive clod!

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (1)

aix tom (902140) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953293)

Well. I think the quote on Wookieepedia [wikia.com] sums it up best:

"Wayland is where Emperor Palpatine's secret toy-box was. All kinds of nasty dark side things on Wayland."

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953391)

Yes, I know I can Google, but a one sentence description would've made the summary far more useful.

http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html

Re:What the hell is Wayland? (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954023)

For those of us who use the network transparency of X11, its a attempt to 'return' to a simpler less functional time where your windowing sub-system assumed that you were all alone and had no friends.

A throwback, an abomination. It should have never been allowed to get this far, and the people responsible taken out back and 'dealt with.

Sigh (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953051)

Every time I see a screenshot of Wayland, I see rotated windows. Is that its only feature?

Re:Sigh (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953119)

http://wayland.freedesktop.org/screenshots.html

Try harder.

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953621)

http://wayland.freedesktop.org/screenshots.html

Try harder.

Hmm. That's really... not very impressive. I'll assume those shots are old.

Re:Sigh (3, Interesting)

nzac (1822298) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953183)

It's so far from ready, this is what its currently achieving. When you are remaking a compositor from the begging these are significant steps.

I have been waiting from this announcement from Ubuntu since they said they were trying to use it next release. It might be close to being ok for a 2d no accel window manager but trying to run unity was never happening in 6 months.

Did the grownups prevail this time? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953061)

The usual Ubuntu practice is to jam incomplete, beta quality changes (grub2, upstart, plymouth, unity, etc.) into release and fix them them in subsequent
releases. This decision is a welcome change.

Or maybe Wayland is so un-ready that even the usual Ubuntu powers-that-be couldn't allow it to be foisted on users, in which case we'll see beta quality Wayland in 13.04.

I'm betting on #2.

Not that I'm complaining, but there is wisdom in adopting realistic expectations.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (-1, Troll)

ilikenwf (1139495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953179)

Ubuntu is the Windows of the Linux world, with Canonical being equivalent to Microsoft.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (0, Troll)

DarkOx (621550) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953235)

Ubuntu is the Windows of the Linux world, with Canonical being equivalent to Microsoft.

The only difference is Windows for all its warts, flaws, and promised features never delivered, is actually a usable platform. Where as Ubuntu is just a broken version of an otherwise useful Debian.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953291)

Yadda yadda, I want to stay the only person in my neigbourhood using Linux.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953385)

Does that make OSX the Linux of the Windows world? What a weird analogy..

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (2, Interesting)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953569)

way more pragmatic answer, if they switch to wayland they will piss of valve who is working on porting their games onto ubuntu. they piss of valve there will be no games, as a consequence there will be no year of the linux desktop for a long time. linux as a big force in the desktop space is ubuntu's goal. so no xserver means no valve means no steam no games and now no games.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953771)

If you really think Steam is going to make the mythical "Year of the Linx Desktop" happen, you're going to be sadly mistaken. By next year we'll be hearing about the new shiny thing that will bring Linux to the domination of Microsoft.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (3, Insightful)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954427)

If Linux ever comes to dominate the desktop it'll be in some form that just comes out of nowhere the way Android did* and made Linux a huge force in the mobile space. Windows would be a lot harder to displace than the iPhone though.

*Yes to people on here Android was old hat by the time it actually appeared but to most consumers it just appeared out of nowhere one day in 2008.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (5, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954437)

My understanding of Wayland says that it wouldn't bother Valve at all.

If you use a toolkit that has been ported to Wayland, you use the toolkit and nothing changes.

If you use a toolkit that hasn't been ported, you'd just run the X server that runs as a Wayland client, so things keep working.

But the important thing is running OpenGL, which works just fine in Wayland (which is built on OpenGL).

Unless Valve is writing their own rendering directly against X (which seems like it would be an idiotic thing to do in general, especially considering Wayland has been coming for over 2 years), I wouldn't think this would really effect them. In fact, they could decide to go Wayland only (assuming it's done enough at that point) and avoid whatever hassle X might have given them.

Re:Did the grownups prevail this time? (1, Funny)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954511)

The usual Ubuntu practice is to jam incomplete, beta quality changes (grub2, upstart, plymouth, unity, etc.) into release and fix them them in subsequent releases.

Usually desktop Linux distros are so buggy that they would count as alpha quality by commercial software standards. In that bunch Ubuntu+Unity is actually quite solid.

so sad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953077)

I am so sad about this. I wanted my crappy Unity look to be better! lol

Just be patient (4, Funny)

asmkm22 (1902712) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953123)

Things will get better once the Yutani Corporation enters the picture.

Re:Just be patient (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954575)

Game over man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna boot now?!

Thank you for the update. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953167)

Dear timothy,

Thank you for the update. You may continue about your business.

Yours faithfully,
System Compositor.

Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (-1, Flamebait)

ilikenwf (1139495) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953173)

I thought this was a hardcore tech site, but Ubuntu is a pile of crap, and anyone who has tried other distros (crap like CentOS doesn't count) usually likes the other distros better. Debian, Archlinux, Gentoo - these are distros that don't suck, don't go into dependency hell every upgrade, and don't make a gui for everything, with ads and daemons and useless crapp tossed in.

If I wanted my mom or dad to use Linux, I'd give them Ubuntu, but for anyone who knows what their doing, anything but would be a better choice.

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953249)

I use Ubuntu server at work, does that count?

It seems pointless to me when there's Debian (which I use in all my systems), unless you want to keep the system without upgrading to a new version for more than three years, which we don't.

That said, it's not that annoying either. And I actually like Upstart, for now, at least.

Not any more (2)

quixote9 (999874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953949)

Ubuntu helped me completely switch over to linux back in 2004-2005. But once they changed to Unity, I moved to Linux Mint Debian and haven't looked back.

Sad, really. Their forums were one of the best things about them. As I learned tips and tricks, it became sort of a hobby to visit the forums and try to answer questions for even bigger noobs than me. Not much I can do there now. And the Debian boards are more of a listen and learn place for me. I miss the community, but the OS has made itself unusable. Wayland sounds like a way of piling that mistake higher and deeper.

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953257)

I use Ubuntu Server LTS on personal and business servers. It's Debian regression tested and provides a nice support guarantee. My only complaint is Plymouth hiding boot messages. Everything else is fine.

I have made multiple attempts to use Ubuntu on desktop machines. The issues are legion and each time I gave up after fighting hard to beat the mess into submission. So it's Mint and OpenSUSE (employer preference) on desktops. Both work well with reasonable levels of effort.

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953281)

I find ubuntu to be great. My computer illiterate wife can use it. Hell, shes even starting to use the CLIMy 3 year old daughter can use it, and with a little fine tuning and patience I even found it acceptable.

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (0)

Rob_Bryerton (606093) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953397)

>> I thought this was a hardcore tech site

Oh no, you're right: it actually was at one time. Now /., being a shadow of its' former self, exists pretty much to inject politics and religion into nearly EVERY story/summary in order to troll the readership, thus driving revenue via ad impressions. /tinfoil

>>If I wanted my mom or dad to use Linux, I'd give them Ubuntu...

You'd do that to your mom and dad? I'd at least have the decency to set them up with, say, Mint...

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Tip the veal & try the waitresses!

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953417)

Not at work, but I've been using it at home for years. I stopped upgrading when they left me with a choice between Gnome 3 and Unity, and I'll have to switch to Mint soon.

Re:Anyone on /. Actually Use Ubuntu? (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953865)

I thought this was a hardcore tech site, but Ubuntu is a pile of crap, and anyone who has tried other distros (crap like CentOS doesn't count) usually likes the other distros better. Debian, Archlinux, Gentoo - these are distros that don't suck, don't go into dependency hell every upgrade, and don't make a gui for everything, with ads and daemons and useless crapp tossed in.

I don't see choosing some particular distro that important. They all carry mostly the same software and have somewhat similar mechanisms for package management and maintaining the system.

Readiness (1)

valros (1741778) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953231)

It's not really a case of Wayland itself not being ready, more like the graphical driver ecosystem is way too fragmented and spotty for Wayland to be implemented on all(maybe most) systems. And I believe Qt and GTK are not fully ported to Wayland, let alone all the other applications and libraries that interface directly with X.

Unfortunately the GNU ecosystem is too dependent on X, thus Wayland seems impossible to implement at this time, but a fresh clean window manager is a big step in the right direction.

And no Wayland is not a GUI.

Re:Readiness (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953879)

On the other hand, the Linux software stack changes very rapidly, so I presume it won't take forever to have the proper structures around Wayland too.

Waybuntu (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953241)

They should call it by another name. I'll see if I can think up one.

Re:Waybuntu (1)

Lord Maud'Dib (611577) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953403)

Or maybe Wayland Ubuntani?

Re:Waybuntu (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 2 years ago | (#40954563)

As long as there's Kubuntu and Xubuntu they can do whatever the hell they like. I haven't touched standard Ubuntu since Lucid.

It wouldn't surprise me... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953289)

It wouldn't surprise me if the tool that is behind the abortion known as systemctl is also a part of this monstrosity.

It's sad to see Linux distros going this "me too" route of solutions in search of a problem. If this POS picks up momentum, makes it into Fedora (like systemctl), then filters down to RedHat, it's off to BSD-land... (Thank FSM for BSD)

Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953327)

Reading the comments, it appears most have no idea what Wayland actually is and the rest just use this to bash Ubuntu.

I would like to just say this - it doesn't make you cool to be the only kid on the block using Linux. So go suck a dick, because every single comment you leave points to some minor quirks or just states your personal preference (hey, I hate working with rpms but I don't go around saying how everyone should just use Debian or Arch - it's possible to not do that!).

Slashdot shit eaters (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953347)

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Ubuntu sucking metrosexual cocks. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40953523)

Take Windows 8, set it to shit brown, install Firefox and Libreoffice and you have Ubuntu. Ubuntu is for hipsters too hipster for macs and therefore need to have their penises cut in half.

Wayland (-1, Flamebait)

philofaqs (668524) | more than 2 years ago | (#40953711)

So something no-one wants, universally reviled, will never see production, pure vaporware. Sorry I must have missed the news that Canonical had been bought by Microsoft.

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Replacement for X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954137)

Unless I can do "ffmpeg -waylandgrab ..." I don't want it.

you FaIxl It! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40954669)

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