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Kinect 2 Sensor Output Image Leaks

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the will-spawn-interesting-hacks dept.

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New submitter rabok writes "If a Microsoft job posting can be believed, we are set to get a new Xbox on store shelves by March 2014 at the latest. Regardless of when it does eventually arrive, it seems an image claiming to be the output of a Kinect 2 has hit the web by a user on twitter. Kinect 2 is expected to be much more accurate — even able to see individual fingers, read lips, and gauge moods. This image seems to back up that improvement in both depth perception and the ability to distinguish individual fingers."

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Job postings are not news (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955197)

Microsoft has figured out that people read their job postings to forecast their efforts and it's part of their PR efforts now.

Re:Job postings are not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955217)

This. Aerospace has been doing this for years and years now, nothing normally is released in that fashion (job posting) unless they want it to be released, usually for plausible deniability purposes.

Re:Job postings are not news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955231)

Good. We've been bitching that microsoft should compete by making better stuff instead of underhanded shenanigans. I'm fine with ms research getting to see products make it out the door. They should be trying new stuff that might flop, instead of relying on locking people into old stuff. All they really need to do is fire most of their middle management, double research, and revoke balmers door card.

I like Steve Ballmer (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955289)

Oh, I know - it's heresy to say such a thing here. But I really like the direction the man is taking the company right now. It's beautiful it its own way - the butterfly dissection way. He is the artist who is sculpting this crescendo of change. Change is good. I hope they keep him for a long time, maybe even until the end.

Your suggestions for process changes aren't going to happen. Microsoft employees aren't interested in those things. They're interested in working the politics of their environment and those issues take the fore for them. Software development is a minor side issue they have to barely tolerate.

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Re:Job postings are not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955793)

So Slashdot posting a want ad for an editor is just Geek.net trying to throw competitors off the scent?

Whats the Frames Per Second? (-1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955215)

When I was working on inputing people's arms, I realized you need a really fast camera to get the images. A punch is what 100 ms in speed? This means you gotta capture like I dunno, what ~3 frames of it to know what the person is doing? So thats 100/33 = 33ms a frame. So that's like you need a 33FPS camera to detect high speed kicks and punches.

Once you have legit kicks/punches, then the next step is making a game that is basically MMO:PunchOut/Kickboxing. If you spend your time and have legit code, it would be the first time in history we have quality simulated fighting without people getting seriously injured. In my teen years I was a scrappy low class karate fighter to fight off bullies. I think everyone should get into some sort of martial art for self defense. But I don't believe in fighting for money especially when you look at many career boxers getting punch drunk(taking so many hits to the head they get brain damage).

So the question is: Does Kinect 2 process around 33 FPS or more? If so, this game is possible... not easy to make, but possible.

Re:Whats the Frames Per Second? (1)

jkflying (2190798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955683)

Kinect 1 did 30FPS, although lots of movement made the visual component blurry. As to what the Kinect 2 can do... wait and see like the rest of us.

Re:Whats the Frames Per Second? (0)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956045)

Wait and see it fail. Everything claimed for Kinect 2 was supposed to be possible with Kinect 1. The video analysis alone for Kinect 1 was only marginally better than the MS camera.

Re:Whats the Frames Per Second? (1)

jkflying (2190798) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956815)

It's not about the video analysis, it's about the commodity-priced RGBD camera.

Re:Whats the Frames Per Second? (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | more than 2 years ago | (#40957017)

Well then my approximations are off. I think even with a high enough FPS you're still looking at a difficult problem of gauging the angle and speed of punches and kicks. And then you have the problem of determining what to do when a punch goes through a block. Finally you have another problem which might not be solvable outside of LAN play on PC and this is latency. It just might not be that fun if the reaction time is more than X milliseconds. Now a good ping is about 33ms, but you're not always guaranteed that. LAN play on PC is a very limited market and would only be a solution if this game turned out to be perfect because people could host live tourneys. These are just some thoughts I have of the difficult parts of this type of game. To me, this is enough difficulties that I'd just personally make another genre of game if I was doing this solo, but someone with deep pockets who is ambitious could take a stab at it.

Re:Whats the Frames Per Second? (1)

jaymemaurice (2024752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962263)

but someone with deep pockets who is ambitious could take a stab at it.

Version 2 can involves knives, which could include more violence, guts and gore. This will sell very well indeed.

Clever - but can you play games with it? (4, Interesting)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955223)

The Kinect is a clever little device - I've been really impressed at some of the uses that people have found for it. I'm sure that the next-gen version will be cleverer still and, if MS continue to be as admirably "open"(ish) with the hardware as they were with the first one, then I'm sure we'll see some useful applications of it. I can also see something like this being the future of TV remote controls - until they ruined it a bit with the new dashboard, the ability to control my 360 using voice and gestures (including in stuff like Sky Player) was really convenient.

But the problem with the Kinect is that - for everything bar exercise software (where it's fair-to-middling) - it's an awful games controller. It's really, really bad at sensing rapid movements. I mean, it's generally ok at tracking movements that are relatively slow and considered, but at higher speeds, it struggles. And that's a major problem, given that it pretty much rules out any game that involves precision at speed (which many, many games do).

Now in fairness, the Wii-mote has similar problems, even in its "Plus" incarnation - and, indeed, plenty of Wii games have been ruined or at least harmed by that. But for the most part, developers overcome this by augmenting motion controls with button inputs. Indeed, some of the best games on the Wii, like Super Smash Brothers Brawl, make no use of the motion controls at all.

For the most part, to be honest, I think motion control has been a bit of a passing fad. However, there's one counter-point to this I've found, which is slightly surprising. The Playstation Move came late to the party, is technologically unimpressive (it's a Wii-mote that "cheats" via the addition of a basic camera that tracks a coloured ball on the end) and hasn't created much excitement. However, I've played both Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 using it (augmented by the navigation controller) and can confirm that for playing an fps on a console, it is way, way better than a twin-stick controller. It gives a degree of fine precision to your aim that rivals that of a keyboard and mouse. Large, rapid turns are still a problem compared to PC input, but the gap over traditional console controllers is huge. There's a similar effect on the Vita, actually, where Uncharted allows for something similar via tilt controls. This is one area where I think existing motion control technology can actually enhance games in the long-run, rather than being a short lived party novelty.

Perhaps. But I think it's just the beginning. (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955747)

Games are only one use. I can imagine that this sort of tech could be used for many other things besides games.

I think that after some further body motion research (probably undertaken using motion capture tech) in conjuction with psychology we might see body motion cameras augment security cameras.

Rather than using dots for motion capture for movies and games, perhaps kinect like tech could be used instead. Not just for humans, but for all sorts of animals, or other things.

It may help robots with close range spacial vision.

...and so on. I think that with time, as people adjust to the idea, we will see it adopted in all sorts of uses that we wouldn't even consider today.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

Infestedkudzu (2557914) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955791)

Well, we'll know if you are really doing jazz hands or just half arrsing it.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40956247)

The call of duty 'lite' ports on the Wii give the same experience. The aiming in a fps is better and more natural with a Wii mote or move controller.

However, CoD junkies are used to play twin-stick and will oppose the different control scheme. I don't expect a CoD next gen that fully utilizes motion aiming.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956811)

Problem with the CoD ports on the Wii is that they just aren't very good. I mean, I'm not saying CoD on PC/PS3/360 is actually good, but the Wii ports are awful. Plus, without the aid of the camera-assisted "cheating" that the PS Move does, the Wii Mote (and the Plus version) are just too unsteady for proper precise aim.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956427)

they said that all along - Kinect is cool, but the PS Move is accurate and fast... guess it didn't capture enough marketing stuff. There's no reason why you couldn't swap the coloured ball on the end of the wand for a ring or other velcro-to-my-head sensor points though.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (2)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956569)

MS continue to be as admirably "open"(ish) with the hardware

Its NOT their hardware to begin with. After spending up to $1B buying up random companies and doing in house R&D they settled on licensing PrimeSense technology.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40958381)

Its NOT their hardware to begin with.

First of all, "so what"?

Secondly, while it does contain significant innovations that where licensed or purchased, what significant technology product today does not? It's silly to still be flogging that dead horse.

Also, while it does contain licensed and purchased technology, it is certainly not some product that has been simply rebranded, clearly MS R&D has made significant contributions to Kinect.

Isn't it a bit silly to still be playing these kind of anti-MS fan boy games? They are in reality quite meaningless in the discussion of what is wrong with the Redmond Borg.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 2 years ago | (#40958909)

Its NOT their hardware to begin with.

First of all, "so what"?

Secondly, while it does contain significant innovations that where licensed or purchased, what significant technology product today does not? It's silly to still be flogging that dead horse.

Also, while it does contain licensed and purchased technology, it is certainly not some product that has been simply rebranded, clearly MS R&D has made significant contributions to Kinect.

Isn't it a bit silly to still be playing these kind of anti-MS fan boy games? They are in reality quite meaningless in the discussion of what is wrong with the Redmond Borg.

1 definitely NOT purchased
2 it IS rebranded Primesense reference design.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960925)

it IS rebranded Primesense reference design.

No. Wrong. It is a product that contains significant amounts of licensed technology. It is *not* a product that has been simply rebranded.

Really, blather like yours completely undermines any possible point you may have had.

Re:Clever - but can you play games with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40957379)

Slow down there, you're saying a lightgun works for FPS games? If only we had known this in the 80's and 90's.

Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955233)

Microsoft Kinect Spy System

Microsoft Kinect Spy System
http://www.unmarkedvan.com/?p=192 [unmarkedvan.com]

"So you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system and you're having fun, hanging out in your underwear, plopped down in your favorite lounge chair, and playing games with your buddies. Yeah, it's great to have a microphone and camera in your game system so you can "Kinect" to your pals while you play, but did you read that Terms of Service Agreement that came with your Kinect thingy? No? Here, let me point out an important part of that service agreement.

        If you accept the agreement, you "expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."

Did you catch that? Here, let me print the important part in really big letters.

"If you accept the agreement, you expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications⦠on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."

OK, is that clear enough for ya? When you use the Kinect system, you agree to allow Microsoft (and any branch of law enforcement or government they care to share information with) to use your Kinect system to spy on you. Maybe run that facial recognition software to check you out, listen to your conversations, and keep track of who you are communicating with.

I know this is probably old news to some, but I thought I would mention it because it pertains to almost all of these home game systems that are interactive. You have to remember, the camera and microphone contained in your game system have the ability to be hacked by anyone the game company gives that ability to, and that includes government snoops and law enforcement agents.

Hey, it's MICROSOFT. What did you expect?

And the same concerns apply to all interactive game systems. Just something to think about if you're having a "Naked Wii party" or doing something illegal while you're gaming with your buddies. Or maybe you say something suspicious and it triggers the DHS software to start tracking your every word. Hey, this is not paranoia. It's spelled out for you, right there in that Service Agreement. Read it! Here's one more part of the agreement you should be aware of.

        "You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service."

Did you catch it that time? YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LEVEL OF PRIVACY concerning your voice chat and video features on your Kinect box."

#

Continued..

http://www.unmarkedvan.com/?p=481 [unmarkedvan.com]

"Listen up, you ignorant sheep. Your government is spending more money than ever to spy on its own citizens. That's YOU, my friend. And if you're one of these people who say, "Well I ain't ever done nothing wrong so why should I worry about it?' - you are dead wrong. Our civil liberties are being taken away faster than you can spit. The NSA is working away on its new "First Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative Data Center' to keep track of every last one of us. This thing will be the size of 17 football stadiums. One million square feet, all to be filled with more technology and data storage than you could imagine. And 30,000 spy drones are set to be launched over America which can each stay aloft for about 28 hours, traveling 300 miles per hour. WHY? Why do we want these things in our skies?

The military is now taking a keen interest in the Microsoft Kinect Spy System, the fastest selling electronic device in history. Conveniently self-installed in over 18 million homes, this seemingly innocent game system, armed with facial recognition programming and real-time recording of both sound and video, will be used by our own government to spy on and record us in our own homes.

And it doesn't stop there. Other game systems such as Nintendo's WWII are also being turned into government-controlled spy systems. WHY?

That's the real question. WHY?!!! Why is our own government spending billions and billions of dollars to spy on its own people? To keep us safe? Do you really believe that?"

Microsoft's Kinect System is Watching You
Published on Apr 5, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYgC-AvPGM [youtube.com]

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (5, Interesting)

Khith (608295) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955551)

10 years ago I would have told you to adjust your tinfoil hat. These days this sort of talk about intrusive surveillance doesn't even surprise me anymore.

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40957557)

And yet you do fuck all about it except point fingers.

Try pointing the fingers at yourselves. Use your 2nd amendment that you rub in the face of the rest of the world we are so so jealous off.

Yeah, you can keep your way of life.

Hell, the rest of the world know more about your constitution than Americans do. Hell we got castles older than America.

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955693)

mod parent up, this information is more important than most replies have offered here so far....

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955695)

"...Microsoft's Kinect System is Watching You..."

So is Sony. LOTS of you.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7522392/NEW_2012_Sony_Rootkit_Exploit

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (3, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956115)

And it can read lips, huh? While connected to the internet. Why would I want this, much less pay to have it in my home? You couldn't even pay me to have this thing in my house. I've got a bad feeling about this.....

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (1)

Johann Public (542327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40959543)

I'd say you really ought to worry when this technology is integrated into most CCTV/Surveillance systems, and it gets to the point that it can read lips and determine indivuated digit gestures from reflections on surfaces, perhaps even the surface of human eyes...

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40956453)

Hey, if you're having a naked wii party and are embarassed by other people seeing you naked when... other people already.... are... OH GOD YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956455)

The only reason I can think of has already been documented in fiction [wikipedia.org] ..

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (1)

bassman998 (922503) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956849)

The NSA is working away on its new "First Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative Data Center' to keep track of every last one of us.

I don't believe you. The government would never fund a project called FICCNCIDC. That's not a pronounceable acronym at all. Until it spells something clever, I'll remain skeptical.

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960181)

The NSA is working away on its new "First Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative Data Center' to keep track of every last one of us.

I don't believe you. The government would never fund a project called FICCNCIDC. That's not a pronounceable acronym at all. Until it spells something clever, I'll remain skeptical.

Fishy And Side See. See, makes perfect sense now!

Re:Microsoft Kinect Spy System (Incl. video) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40958571)

Bro the kinect and other devices like it are a beta until they roll this out bigtime as a replacement for your mouse. Yes you will get to go through files like in minority report with gestures and your computer will log you in with your face. However it will also analyze you for emotions, so if youre looking at some propaganda they shove into your face and your facial expression gives away what you think of that, your profile will be updated. Me I know better than use these things but yeah Im sure there are lots of cattle dance and prace around in front of their box nude.

Anybody else find this disturbing? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955245)

It is bad enough that when I got out in public there is a camera on every corner and inbetween the corners. Now I have a device that is not only able to watch me but is actively spying, interpreting, and reporting back to who knows? AND in my own home.

There are enough spying devices in the home already. Every laptops has a Mic and camera built in and lets not forget that all or almost all cell phones have Mics and cameras that can be remotely activated too. Not to mention these are being actively used to track by police and other entities (like Wallmart).

Is nothing private any more? The obvious is no. Although that isn't an acceptable answer. While I might put life above all else when it comes to survival do you really want to live in a world which subjects you to constant surveillance and punishment? We are already too safe from the things which are being portrayed as making us safer. Dangerous which exist today are largely overblown. People should not have to conform for a minor to insignificant improvement in numbers. We don't need more conformity. Having a diverse set of individuals from risk takers to conservatives is a good thing. It propels society forward.

Re:Anybody else find this disturbing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40970721)

who gives a fuck? it's like a competition between you all to see who can be the most paranoid. really, people. if you're so fucking paranoid don't get a kinect. stop waving your paranoia-dicks around slashdot like anyone but your other paranoid buddies even care.

Looks the same... (2)

Beardydog (716221) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955273)

I assume Kinect2 will be 720p, or at least 640x480 in the depth buffer. I didn't actually count the dots, but the image in the article looks like it's 320x240. Unless Kinect2's sole improvement is higher framerates (including or achieved with onboard processing, perhaps), this looks like the same old thing. At most, it looks like someone is rendering the output of a normal Kinect with their only special bit of test software or something. It's really just an incredibly unremarkable image.

Re:Looks the same... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955337)

The image in the article is 782px × 463px, and excluding the borders it something like 560x463.

So this tells us nothing.

Re:Looks the same... (1)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956541)

The Kinect 1 already has a 640x480 depth buffer. The problem is that the depth image is built by interpolating from a series of depth samples taken from the pseudorandom dot constellation that is projected by the laser, and neither are those dots dense enough, nor is the DSP in the kinect particularly excellent at resolving them. Effectively, you have a 640x480 image built of "patches" that are several pixels wide.

If you compare the image in TFA to, say, this one [marcansoft.com] , it does appear to be resolving depth more accurately (smooth edges, ability to resolve fingers at a distance, etc.)

I guess it *could* be called a "leak"... (4, Informative)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955295)

Yes.

This summer, there was a small "science fair" sponsored by MAKE Magazine at Seattle Center, here in Seattle. Microsoft had a large booth and several robots which used Kinect as their sensory input device. There were several different visual modes, of which this was one.

I suppose a screen grab image sent to some outside media could be considered a "leak", but the place was PACKED both weekend days, so I have to think quite a few people saw it and it wasn't being hidden...

One more thing... (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955309)

Oh, one mode I saw had "wire frame" figures, and the other was simple "stick men" with articulated joints, and the system seemed to be able to differentiate wrist movement and all five jointed fingers. I imagine that these were development platforms, no telling what will actually make it to the final product

I can't believe.. (1)

Ziekheid (1427027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955297)

.. this gets posted on various "news" websites. It's obviously just a random attentionwhore spamming his twitter account with an image any one of us could've created easily. I hate to say it but: FAAAAAAAAKE!

Given the long developmental cycle (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955369)

I have to wonder if this will hold our interest until 2020 or beyond? It's one thing to try to predict the next year or two but the consoles have exceeded 5 years in having to remain current. I trade off my PC every two years so the console is always going to behind the technology for half it's life cycle at best. Even iPads release new versions every year or so. At this rate the tablets will exceed the abilities of the consoles before the following cycle. They can't survive with this snail's pace of innovation.

Re:Given the long developmental cycle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40955411)

I have to wonder if this will hold our interest until 2020

I've already lost interest and it isn't even out yet...what were we talking about again?

Re:Given the long developmental cycle (1)

Grave (8234) | more than 2 years ago | (#40957345)

I think that MS/Sony/Nintendo are starting to recognize that 5-6 years is about the max they can push a console before sales begin to dry up dramatically. The PS2 was an anomaly, simply because it had a near-monopoly on the market for so long, meaning a huge number of exclusives. In the current generation, there aren't enough exclusives on any one console to hold people over. If the PS3/360 can drop to the impulse-buy level of $100-$150, it might bring a little life back into sales, but for right now, I think most people are either set with what they have, or would rather wait for the next generation.

Reads lips (4, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955471)

So if you are plotting with your friend to lobotomise your e-box don't just talk about it in your space pod. Close the windows first.

Re:Reads lips (5, Funny)

wierd_w (1375923) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955545)

"Open the drive bay door Xbox."

"I'm afraid I cant do that, Dave."

"Xbox, Open the drive bay door!"

"I'm afraid I cant do that Dave. You have violated the End User License Agreement, by using a copy of Wireshark to spy on my communications."

"What are you talking about Xbox?" (discretely closes laptop....)

"It is a violation of my user agreement to attempt to reverse engineer my protocols, Dave. Using an unsanctioned network protocol analysis tool has triggered my safeguards."

"I just want to play Halo 4 Xbox! Please open the drive bay door!?"

"I'm Sorry, Dave. I had to blacklist your Live account."

"Noooooooooo!"

Re:Reads lips (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40958661)

Was that supposed to be funny ?

http://gadgetprices.in/

Re:Reads lips (1)

jaymemaurice (2024752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962901)

yes you spammer, it's a HAL reference.

Win 8 and Kinect (1)

plutoXL (1314421) | more than 2 years ago | (#40955739)

My guess is that with Win 8 Metro interface Microsoft might try to move not just into tablets, but also into TV market.

Think about it for a minute:
  1. Win 8 will stop being x86 exclusive, and will move on ARM too (Win 8 RT),
  2. MS might start fully supporting Kinect to control Win 8 metro interface,
  3. MS and partner TV manufacturers begin installing ARM processors and Win 8 RT on TVs, adding ability to connect Kinect through USB (or maybe even produce TVs with Kinect already installed),
  4. MS app store is now on many TVs in many living rooms,
  5. Profit..?

Purely speculation on my side, but might be the logical next step for MS.

It was never "Metro"... (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956163)

My guess is that with Win 8 Metro interface Microsoft might try to move not just into..." Microsoft: It was never 'Metro,' it was always 'Modern UI' A bit of search and replace should sort this out *** By Neil McAllister, 10th August 2012 19:19 GMT : After another long night at the whiteboard, the deep thinkers at Microsoft's marketing department have come up with a new replacement for the verboten word "Metro." From now on, it seems, the blocky, touch-centric user interface of Windows 8's new Start Menu will be known as the "Modern UI." Apps written to take advantage of the new UI features will be known as "Modern UI-style apps." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/10/metro_is_modern_ui_now/ [theregister.co.uk]

Yeah yeah (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956155)

even able to see individual fingers, read lips, and gauge moods

Kinect / Natal had promised to do all that. Remember Milo? Instead MS delivered a system where most games mapped exaggerated spastic motions onto a few basic actions and had trouble doing even that. No reason to be cynical about the claims of Kinect 2 at all.

Except... (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 2 years ago | (#40956255)

If you look over Microsoft's historical product lines, the first generation of every single one of their products sucks. And I don't mean just sucks a little, I mean sucks HARD. Everyone goes on about how much it sucks and they quietly steal features from their competitors and clean it up until it sucks slightly less than all the competition. Then they release a second generation product. They're kind of like the Zynga Games of operating systems.

Now the Kinect is their first first-generation product in my memory that hasn't followed that pattern. By all accounts the Kinect is not only awesome, but before it there really was nothing like that on the market. But... what if it's actually not awesome? What if the Kinect 1, measured by the standards of future hardware, actually really sucked? Microsoft didn't have competitors to steal from, so they may have actually innovated new features for it, and cleaned up the hardware and software APIs! This is, I will repeat, the first time in my memory that their product cycle has worked like this! Who knows what this unknown behavior will deliver!

Re:Except... (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#40959441)

What Kinect promised vs what Kinect delivered were night and day. Go watch the Milo promos if you don't believe me. MS were promising motion recognition, mood recognition, voice recognition, natural language processing, basically AI in a camera. What they delivered was a box that struggles to know how many people are standing in front of it or what limb they're moving.

And it wasn't the first at all. The eyetoy preceded it by a substantial amount of years and in practice offered a similar experience - flail your arms or legs in some simplistic way and the software finally reacts. While it's entirely possible that some people were happy with their glorified Eyetoy experience, anyone expecting to see emotion recognition, or indeed precision recognition would be sorely disappointed. Microsoft promise the moon and delivered a heap of manure.

Maybe Kinect 2 will be a different story, but I'm just pointing out that they didn't exactly deliver on their promises this time around.

Re:Except... (1)

jaymemaurice (2024752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962925)

bah whatever. If they would have released what was promised, it wouldn't have been used right away to its full potential anyway, cost more, not been adopted, and would have left them with little upgrade path. Instead, they flooded the market and got developers thinking how to develop for the interface and are now improving it.

But why... (1)

Bluetapeboy (2705999) | more than 2 years ago | (#40957119)

is there a spoon?

Any word on speed improvements? (1)

elabs (2539572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40957341)

I'm very happy to see that they've increased the resolution. This will make hand and finger tracking possible. Has anyone heard about speed improvements? I think reducing lag would go a long way in yielding an even better experience.

I want the Kinect SDK built into Windows 8 (WinRT) (1)

elabs (2539572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40957357)

I think they should add libraries to the WinRT (metro) app API to allow developers to use a Kinect from WinRT (metro) apps. It should just be like any other sensor.

Excited about Kinect 2, but allow peripherals! (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 2 years ago | (#40992425)

I love the technology behind the Kinect, but I honestly loved any games. They need to allow accessories with the next Kinect. How awesome would it be to have a gun and duck, cover, jump, hide behind your couch and shoot? And making a "finger gun" just isn't the same, no matter how accurate the system is.
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