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Microsoft Working On "Surface 2" Tablet

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the rather-than-service-packs dept.

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SternisheFan snips this news from Tech Radar: "The Surface tablets that Microsoft will start selling on 26 October at Microsoft Stores (and in temporary 'holiday stores' in twelve US cities including New York) are only the first of a planned family of Windows devices and Surface 2.0 is already under development. Although Microsoft corporate communications chief Frank Shaw said recently that calling Surface 'our new family of PCs built to be the ultimate stage for Windows' was no more than 'literary licence' and that there was nothing more than the two tablets already announced, the Surface team is 'currently building the next generation' of 'devices that fully express the Windows vision' — according to more than a dozen job adverts posted on the Microsoft Careers site between June and August."

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Building the microsoft vision (5, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960691)

'currently building the next generation' of 'devices that fully express the Windows vision'

The Windows vision is to make Microsoft money. They have no clue how they'll do it, but they're going to try.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960735)

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Re:Building the microsoft vision (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961001)

Obviously they'll take share and make money by making Windows not work as well on the hardware of their OEM competitors. That won't be hard to do as they must write the drivers for the hardware - the OEMs can't - and these days they're streaming updates so they can make your Dell PC gradually progressively worse instead of waiting for a new Windows version. This has been their go-to strategy with software competitors since, I think, 1986.

Just in case you're going to get all [citation needed] on me... Here's Microsoft's internal communications about doing this to Novell [groklaw.net] and here is the painful Novell internal emails about how Outlook 95 broke email on install for users Novell's GroupWise [groklaw.net] . These are just two recently transcribed documents of 3,600 from the Comes v. Microsoft case that was settled just a few days after the plaintiff put the documents up on their website because Microsoft failed to seal them - and they are all very, very bad. Fortunately some thoughtful people archived them.

OEMs have always known that Microsoft did this to software vendors, and they looked away because they were getting theirs. Lotus, Borland, Aldus, Ashton-Tate and many others fell the same way. Well now it's the OEMs turn to play Microsoftball blindfolded and with their legs hobbled, giving their competitor an advanced look at their strategy.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961595)

Why is this being moderated Troll?

This is exactly what Microsoft do. They have always tried to make subtle incompatibilities for competitors products.

Java, Secure Boot, OOXML, H264, their ACPI trickery, Mono/Silverlight and so on ad nauseum.

Even Microsoft knows they're an unreliable business partner. This is from their SEC filing: "...our Surface devices will compete with products made by our OEM partners, which may affect their commitment to our platform." "Users may increasingly turn to these [mobile] devices to perform functions that would have been performed by personal computers in the past," "Even if many users view these devices as complementary to a personal computer, the prevalence of these devices may make it more difficult to attract applications developers to our platforms."

Re:Building the microsoft vision (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961897)

Uhhh...those were under gates, who hasn't been running the show since 1999 and frankly it shows. personally I'd much rather have Gates as he may have been a bastard, but he was a bastard that could build good office OSes.

No dude what we have here is just another chapter in the continuing saga of Steve "I wanna work in Cupertino LOL!" Ballmer, the used car salesman of the corporate world. what we'll get is half assed knockoff that won't work worth a shit and will bomb, simple as that. hell look at the man's track record, Zune, Kin,WinCE, WinPhone, pushing out the X360 with a 2 billion dollar hardware flaw...the man can snatch defeat from victory quicker than the PHB from Dilbert.

So seriously dude, the 90s are over, get over it, okay? windows will stay on X86 which is gonna be like washers and dryers in that nobody will replace until the previous one dies, and if you want someone to be scared of you need to be scared of Brin and Cook, not Ballmer. The days of "the big bad M$" are as gone as the days of "the big bad big blue IBM" are, its over, its done, the fat lady is down the street having a sammich.

Ya wanna know what happens to the OEMs? Here let me break out my crystal ball...Win 8 shits the bed, OEMs demand win 7 downgrade rights and get it, WinTabs end up on Woot! for 80% off as people wait around the block for iPad 5.awesome. Frankly Gabe at Valve will come out with a Steambox and drive another nail in the coffin for MSFT, Ballmer will retire declaring victory based on how many win 8 licenses sold (while ignoring that like Vista its just a DVD sitting in a box that nobody uses) and once fatboy is gone the board will bring in somebody with a brain, maybe lure Allchin or Ozzie back, and MSFT will become the new IBM.

So get over it friend, just let it go. MSFT won the desktop which is flatline and will stay that way, Google will lock down Android and they and Apple will control mobile with an iron hand, meanwhile you'll shake your fist at the old tiger in the corner wheezing and limping along because once upon a time they were actually scary.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962021)

Google will lock down Android and they and Apple will control mobile with an iron hand,

Oh dear, credibility is so hard to come by and so easy to shed.

Android is open source, and Google is opening code releases faster with each version. They may be tightening controls on their repository to combat malware, but the OS is free and staying that way.

http://source.android.com/ [android.com]

Android share of the smartphone market is around 60%, roughly double that of Apple. Apple may have an "Iron hand", but that just means the more they tighten their grip, the more market share will slip through their fingers.

http://niche-marketing-production.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Sales-Mar-121.png [amazonaws.com]

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962119)

68 percent for 2012Q2, and still rising - four times Apple.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962185)

Of course, this is phones shipped and not phones sold. Nobody actually buys an Android phone, they get it free with their plan.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961005)

What are you talking about? Windows is one of the only things that actually brings Microsoft profit. It's the one thing that consistently has been profitable for them.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (3, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961043)

Windows is one of the only things that actually brings Microsoft profit.

And do you think it will continue to do so on the tablet? There is nothing about Microsoft Tablet that says, "yes, people will by this in hoards." Who do you know that is planning on standing in line on the release day for a Microsoft Tablet?

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961237)

Who do you know that is planning on standing in line on the release day for a Microsoft Tablet?

These guys: http://www.burson-marsteller.com/default.aspx [burson-marsteller.com]

You could be too, if you want to make a few bucks: http://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/jobSearch.jsp?org=BM&cws=1 [taleo.net]

Re:Building the microsoft vision (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961253)

There is a Microsoft Store in one of the local malls (I live in a big city).

It is packed full of inbred-looking Whites(and their trash-stock wives) whose gene-pools were very obviously pissed-in, Negroes(and they 5 kiz and babymommas) who cannot figure out how to use real computers and spend all their time playing the x-box, and bed-wetting Asian gamers(and their coddling mommies) who flunked out of college because they decided that the Wow grind was more important to them than their future livelihoods.

I haven't seen a more sad imitation of $BETTER_BRAND since I bought a COBY [cobyusa.com] TV by mistake. All Microsoft investors should dump their stock in the spot like bums taking shits in bushes and alleys.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961397)

ok, your post is showing your biases, and makes you sound like an idiot racist. Clearly you have a bias against people with kids.

Because that's what Microsoft stores have become, a babysitting shop. They tend to have a lot of people, but look around, they majority tend to be people with kids. And those kids want to play the X-boxes, though maybe not buy them. And the parents look trashy because, well, they don't care what people think about them anymore. Which is a good thing.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962213)

How's the OP a racist? He / she gave it to pretty much all the races equally. Of course, he forgot to mention the dirty Spics or the haughty Heebs.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961343)

There is nothing about Microsoft Tablet that says, "yes, people will by this in hoards."

No, but if they make a nice dramatic price drop, it might do the trick. Worked for HP. And it's about time the prices come down. The best ones shouldn't cost any more than 200 dollars. They're stamping them out pretty fast now.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

poly_pusher (1004145) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961417)

The pro version should cost much more than 200. They will include Intel processors, fully fledged windows 8 and be capable of running desktop software. including modern games. A good reference for the pro Surface tablets is the Samsung Series 7 Slate. It starts around 1000 dollars. I don't expect the Surface equivalents to be below 600 to 800.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961681)

No, but if they make a nice dramatic price drop, it might do the trick.

This is what kind of tablet $41 buys you right now in China:

7" 1.2GHz Allwinner A13 Q88 tablet, 5 point capacitive Screen, Android 4.0, 512MB RAM, 4GB Storage, Webcam, Wifi

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/611000195-7-Allwinner-A13-Q88-tablet-pc-5-point-capacitive-Screen-android-4-0-Multi-Touch-1-wholesalers.html [aliexpress.com]

How much margin do you think there'd be for Windows OS on hardware like that?

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962205)

There is no way that they will sell this product for less than the entry-level iPad. First, they don't have the volume to get the parts any cheaper than Apple does. Second, pricing something too cheaply influences the buyer into thinking they are getting a shitty product.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (4, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961561)

There is nothing about Microsoft Tablet that says

True, but the plan of developing software, prototyping hardware and hoping the 3rd party manufacturers would make something materialize that was worth buying didn't work, and they tried that plan for 10 years.

Trying something else may not go anywhere either. But clearly the last plan didn't work, and somehow android has been adopted for slate form factors even though no one ever tried that with windows, when it could have been tried* years before the iPad. I suspect this is microsofts way of negotiating with it's hardware providers, they better get off their collective arses and start at least trying different things, or microsoft will.

*caveats. Yes they had convertible tablets, I've owned several over the years and they worked quite well for a lot of things. And yes, they had slate form prototypes in what, 2002, but no one tried to market those for whatever reason.

Re:Building the microsoft vision (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961603)

It's fine for them to build something because no one else is, but it's better if they'd build something that people want to buy.

Why is this news? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960711)

Surface 1 is done. Of course they are working on Surface 2 and maybe even Surface 3.
In other news, Apple is working on iPhone 6.
Samsung is working on Galaxy S4.

And so on...

Re:Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960721)

It's a vaporware chain-fart. Fortunately it won't surface in many places.
Surface, where beauty is only skin deep.

Re:Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960761)

Haha i can't believe this shit. They are talking about 2.0 before the 1.0 is even on shelves? They are going to fall on their face.

Re:Why is this news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960805)

2013! Year of the windows tablet! ...and maybe year of the windows phone 2014!

Re:Why is this news? (5, Funny)

Alter_3d (948458) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960885)

Meh. Wake me up when they reach Surface 7. But not Surface 8. I hear it looks too much like a PC.

Re:Why is this news? (4, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961645)

Who wants to wait that long? Surface 3.11 for Workgroups is when I'll buy.

Re:Why is this news? (4, Insightful)

McGruber (1417641) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960993)

It's news because it indicates that Microsoft's marketing department does not know of Osborne Computer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Computer_Corporation [wikipedia.org]

Re:Why is this news? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962161)

Hey, it works for Apple.

Re:Why is this news? (1)

xswl0931 (562013) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962195)

How is marketing involved in an employment ad for an engineer?

Re:Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961331)

The price has not been released yet....that means there is work left to do.

Re:Why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962239)

Hopefully, the Metro UI dies a quick, ugly death. It reminds me of the Visual Studio 2005 ads in VS magazine in 2005-2006, with the clunky squares.

Surface 2 -- Zune's Revenge! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960719)

Coming soon to a Marked Down bin near the check-out counter near you!

WHO CARES? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960727)

When they are out for sale then they are newsworthy otherwise this is just FUD and propaganda for stockholders.

Re:WHO CARES? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960867)

When they are out for sale then they are newsworthy otherwise this is just FUD and propaganda for stockholders.

Amen, brotha.

Reminds me of how the news covers a high-profile trial. "THIS JUST IN! The judge sat down." then "BREAKING NEWS: the prosecutor called a witness!" then "ANOTHER UPDATE: the defense called a witness". then "MORE BREAKING NEWS: Prosecutor says suspect is guilty." "EXCLUSIVE NEW INFO: Defense attorney says accused is innocent." "YET MORE NEWS: the witness sneezed and had to get a tissue." This goes on for days and days and weeks and weeks. Sometimes months.

I wish they'd just shut the fuck up until it's all over and a verdict has been reached, then report on that. Once. If I missed it and it's important to me then I can Google the story later. Quit pretending this minutia is exciting. It isn't, unless you have no life, no significant other, no friends, no meaningful work, and no hobbies. Then the constant micro-updates might be a big deal to you but I wouldn't exactly call that a good thing.

That's what these constant not-yet-released product updates are like.

I can't wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960741)

Finally, finally we will see the year of the linux desktop come soon.

RIP Windows. Not even businesses take them seriously anymore.

It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (4, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960781)

Actually, a more accurate statement would probably be "it sucks to own stock in a Windows OEM right now". It's pretty obvious Microsoft intends to emulate Apple; and, if everything goes according to plan, the OEMs will all shrivel up and die.

On the bright side, Microsoft may fail.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960971)

The problem is, Apple is even more evil than Microsoft. It'd be better if both fail, rather than just one or the other, because if just one dies, the winner will screw us over so hard.

Assertion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961589)

Why is Apple more evil than Microsoft?

Is it a problem with an excess of bile, vitriol and hate on your part?

Re:Assertion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962169)

Why is Apple more evil than Microsoft?

It's not any more evil about its intentions - both vie for world domination, though they'll settle for the complete domination of your wallet. However, Apple is much more efficient about implementing those intentions. So the net amount of evil generated by Apple is more.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962069)

Nope. Microsoft is more evil than Apple. But nice try at twisting the facts, Microsoft shill.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (0, Flamebait)

WCguru42 (1268530) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961169)

Did I miss the news where Microsoft said they weren't allowing other companies to release products with Windows8? Seriously, this is just Microsoft showing off how they envision Windows8 implementation, not shutting out everyone else. The main stink I've heard from OEMs is along the lines of, "We push generic, shitty hardware and the Surface doesn't look like that. Microsoft is going to make our product look bad."

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961613)

If MS makes a version they have a big advantage in cost. OEMs have very thin margins as it is. MS making computers will pay a lot less for Win 8 as it will be an internal cost. Even if OEMs pay as little as $20 for Win 8, that's $20 MS doesn't have to pay.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962035)

Especially if Microsoft sells them at or below cost so as to get people interested kind of like amazons does with their kindles and kindle fire expecting people to spend money on apps and make up their profit there.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961501)

I know Ballmer is known to shoot a toe once in a while but I doubt he's dumb enough to blow both his legs clean off.

Re:It sucks to be a Windows OEM right now (2)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961893)

It's pretty obvious Microsoft intends to emulate Apple

Not very well. Have you ever heard Apple discussing the next version of their product before the current version ships? No, Apple is much too smart to do that. Every new Apple product is the greatest thing ever and all focus is on that greatness and how everyone needs to get that greatness now. Even as the last product ages and it becomes clear to everyone that Apple must be getting close to releasing the next version, they keep it mum until they can announce it with huge fanfare as the new greatest thing ever, and start shipping it immediately. Further, they carefully hold that announcement until inventory of the previous model is depleted so they're not left holding unsaleable units.

I know that's not what you were referring to, but talking about Surface 2 right now is a bonehead move that Apple wouldn't have made.

Osbourne Effect (5, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960783)

I'm not buying a Surface 1.0.
I'll wait for the Surface 2.0 instead.
--
"The name comes from the planned replacement of the Osborne 1 computer. In 1983 founder Adam Osborne pre-announced several next-generation computer models (the "Executive" and "Vixen" models), which had not yet been built, highlighting the fact that they would outperform the existing model. A widely-held belief was that sales of the Osborne 1 fell sharply as customers anticipated those more advanced systems, and dealers cancelled orders." And the company went bankrupt.

Other examples:
"In 1978, North Star Computers announced a new version of their floppy disk controller, which had double the capacity, to be sold at the same price as their existing range. Sales of the existing products plummeted and the company almost went bankrupt."

"When Sega began publicly discussing their next-generation system, barely two years after launching the Saturn, it became a self-defeating prophecy. This move, combined with Sega's recent history of short-lived consoles, led to a chain reaction that quickly caused the Saturn's future to collapse. Immediately following the announcement, sales of the console and software substantially tapered off in the second half of 1997, while many planned games were canceled, causing the console's life expectancy to shorten substantially."

Re:Osbourne Effect (3, Insightful)

Mabhatter (126906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960835)

Really, they need to be more tight lipped. One of Apple's points is that they don't leak, so they don't lose sales "waiting". You can't "go back" and get money customers didn't spend this quarter... It's gone. People that wait generally didn't keep the money handy, so they don't buy "more".

Apple is already citing that as a reason for diminished quarter... Because everybody KNOWS we get a new iPhone, iPad, iPod each year.

The obvious question is that if Surface 1.0 isn't released, why are they working on 2.0? Microsoft hasn't released ANY Surface yet... Stop assuming anybody will care about the NEXT one... Or worse, what features are they going to leave OUT? This becomes like iOS updates where people get upset when only this YEAR's model gets all the new features.

Re:Osbourne Effect (4, Insightful)

Jaktar (975138) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960959)

Apple might not leak, but is it really surprising that any company is working on "the next version"?

What company in their right mind would put out a device and say "yep, I think we'll just stop developing anything further for the next 5 years while we sell this one."

The only thing that needs to be held under wraps is potential release dates.

Re:Osbourne Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961503)

Well, it's not unreasonable to expect that soon-to-be-released product gets lots of effort on polishing and preparing for big launch, so information about working on v2.0 when v1.0 hasn't launched yet creates the impression "We won't be polishing this thing, so you'd better keep your money for now"

"Keep your money for Surface 2 (instead of buying those iPads and Android tablets)" could be a plan, but this kind of thing only works for market leaders, not late entrants.

Re:Osbourne Effect (3, Interesting)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961609)

Windows XP?

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962059)

you posted it before i could

Case of the Vapours (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961869)

The other thing is we know Microsoft's announcements are full of shit - just look at what Longhorn was supposed to already be doing in 2002 and Windows 8 can't do yet in 2012. I don't think this is going to slow things down because not many people are going to believe it until they see some actual hardware instead of some ad with a magic table.

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962181)

Really, they need to be more tight lipped. One of Apple's points is that they don't leak, so they don't lose sales "waiting".

By now, everybody knows that iPhone and iPad get refreshed in one year cycles. The only thing you don't know in advance is what, exactly, will change in the next version. But then you don't know this here, either.

The obvious question is that if Surface 1.0 isn't released, why are they working on 2.0?

Because there is enough manpower to work on both?

Stop assuming anybody will care about the NEXT one

They call it a "bet". If you bet right, you can sometimes get a pretty spectacular pay-iff.

Re:Osbourne Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960857)

Lesson's have been learned certainly, which is why the PS4/"Next"Box are all but publicly acknowledged as coming out late next year, but MS and Sony are coming down fairly hard on anyone saying it in a big public way. They really don't want their final holiday sales of the 360 and PS3 to plummet if it can be avoided. Which makes me think that SOMEONE at MS is going to get hammered for this, even if it is just a bunch of job postings.

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960887)

Well, it's not the first time MS does "Hey, guys! Don't buy $PRODUCT_A, we're working on $PRODUCT_B and it will knock your socks off!", but AFAICR they usually do that with competitors' stuff, not their own.

Re:Osbourne Effect (2, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960891)

They did the same with their phones:

http://mashable.com/2012/06/25/lumia-why-no-upgrade/ [mashable.com]

Release v7 phones then announce that they won't be able to work on v8 phones.

Guess it's a bit like their close partner Nokia, with the famous Burning Platform memo:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/ [engadget.com]

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961991)

Guess it's a bit like their close partner Nokia, with the famous Burning Platform memo

Maybe I'm just not boardroom savvy enough to comprehend the subtle inticracies of an executive master plan but what the hell was Elop thinking? They could have done any number of things to slowly build up excitement for their Windows Phones without taking the excruciatingly and so obviously disastrous step of Osbourning their still profitable at the time Symbian business. He had to know they were going to still support the Symbian handsets for years down the road. There was the PureView that was in the labs and the Asha and Belle phones still to come. But he comes out and drives a stake directly in the heart of consumer desire for the platform by essentially telling them "don't bother, Symbian sucks" yet with no replacement product anywhere near ready and several unreleased Symbian products in the pipeline. And of course as expected, the stock price took a dump and Symbian sales fell off a cliff. I mean, what the fuck was the point of that?

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960909)

It's lucky for you that Wikipedia is under a creative commons license. Otherwise they'd be suing you right now for copyright infringement.

Original!

But hey at least this way you can karma-whore without having to come up with anything. Just regurgitate data.

Re:Osbourne Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961387)

Hey dumbass! You didn't see the quotation marks?

Re:Osbourne Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961165)

Add to the Osbourne Effect the history of recent Microsoft products to gleefully break all backward compatibility (PlaysForSure, whatever the Zune's marketplace was, Windows Phone 7 phones not being upgradeable to WP8, etc), and Microsoft is making the Osbourne Computer Corporation look positively forward-thinking and marketing-savvy by comparison.

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

dougsyo (84601) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961379)

Particularly given that they INTENTIONALLY and KNOWINGLY left Windows Phone 7 folk in a lurch with Windows Phone 8...

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961881)

It became a dead platform anyway once they bought Skype. Carriers hate Skype and now they hate Microsoft.

Re:Osbourne Effect (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961973)

Actually I think the Sega example is a better analogy as like Sega MSFT is notorious from just walking away from products, see Zune, Kin, Sidekick, and from the looks of it anybody who buys a WinPhone 7 won't get the Win 8 update...so why in the hell would you buy a MSFT mobile product? Answer: you shouldn't.

At least with X86 Windows you know to the day when its EOL thanks to the corporate agreements and their own roadmap but with mobile the only way buying a MSFT device would be worth it is if you got it at Woot! firesale prices.

Re:Osbourne Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962087)

Also refer to: the announcement of WP8 when they're desperately trying to sell Nokia Lumia WP7 phones.

RIP Nokia. You should have known this would happen when you appoint a Vole Mole to be your CEO.

So... Should I wait? (0)

Kergan (780543) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960797)

Not that I planned to buy one myself, but as a consumer, wouldn't you then wait for the Surface 2 that's going to be released any day after the yet-to-be-released Surface 1?

Re:So... Should I wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961547)

Depends on whether I have a compelling use for one immediately.

Pretty silly question. Anyone with half a brain realizes that Apple is working on the iPhone6 and iPad4 as we speak. That doesn't mean that everybody is going to wait for them.

are linux and osx... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960821)

...soon to be the only operating systems usable with a keyboard?

Re:are linux and osx... (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960879)

You left-out Amiga OS.

I'm waiting for the Apple iPhone 5 to be released rather than buy one now. (I'm hoping the 4 will drop to ~$400 in price.)

Re:are linux and osx... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962085)

i only count os's that actually have had releases in the last decade

Re:are linux and osx... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960889)

...soon to be the only operating systems usable with a keyboard?

Watching Gnome 3, I don't think that Linux will be counted keyboard friendly either...

Re:are linux and osx... (2)

gagol (583737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960979)

But you CAN install another DE like XFCE... use what is best for the platform you use.

Re:are linux and osx... (0)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961241)

Funny I have no problem at all using Windows 8 with a keyboard.

Re:are linux and osx... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961363)

Funny I have no problem at all using Windows 8 with a keyboard.

Funny that you don't know what sarcasm is.

Re:are linux and osx... (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961401)

Keyboard... How quaint...

Re:are linux and osx... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961545)

"quaint"... how 19th century

Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40960837)

The x86 Surface tablet looks fantastic! Fairly lightweight, plenty of power, great screen, full on high resolution stylus and digitizer. It's exactly what I was looking for earlier this year, my absolute dream machine that I spec'd out in my head. Too bad it's stuck with Windows 8.

Re:Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (2)

gagol (583737) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961035)

To me, it seems to be a giant detour to convince us to use only "Trusted" computing. Tablets are computers, only artificially limited and overpriced. We (consumers) are footing the bill for a future where all platforms will be walled garden monopolies. If you like it, kudos to you. I am not touching closed system with a 10 miles pole as I do not want my children to live in a world where computing is limited and watered down.

Simple user interfaces have a place, but why insisting on getting down the throat of everybody? Why not set a parameter to express the level of simplicity you need (child/regular/pro). I just cant figure why we dont have this already!

Re:Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961195)

Cost.
The fact that you're in the extreme minority
Time

Re:Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (2)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961175)

Why do you want x86 on a tablet if you don't want Windows?

If you want to run Linux well there's already Android on Atom and other processors.

Re:Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961909)

Real linux on an x86 tablet would be nice. It means you can use a pile of software NOW without having to port it slowly bit by bit to android. There isn't even a decent X on android yet, although that's slowly getting there. Something like Seismic Un*x (http://www.cwp.mines.edu/cwpcodes/) would be wonderful on a tablet but probably a five year nightmare porting it and all it's dependencies to android.

Re:Surface x86 Tablet looks great! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#40962183)

But it's not stuck with Win8. You'd have to buy it with Win8, but - since it is an Intel device, and therefore UEFI secure boot can be disabled on it - you could put whatever you want on it.

Like Ubuntu with Unity. Or Fedora with Gnome 3. ~

It'll all end in tears. (4, Insightful)

gallondr00nk (868673) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960907)

Or more likely, end in mediocrity.

Alpha release (3, Informative)

pubwvj (1045960) | more than 2 years ago | (#40960937)

They have not yet released version 1.0.
They didn't let reviewers at their media event actually use it.
They're already announcing version 2.0.
Me thinks v1.0 was the alpha to test the waters and they found serious problems.

Re:Alpha release (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961059)

"You will love it. That wasn't an observation, nor was it a request."

Re:Alpha release (2)

unlucky ducky (2525132) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961493)

They did not announce a version 2, they announced job application spots for a later generation of Surface devices. Not only could this be referring to other kinds of Surface devices, but even if it was an updated version of the first it shouldn't come as a surprise that Microsoft is planning newer devices. Personally I would find it a whole lot more strange if they weren't developing newer possible versions of their products.

Re:Alpha release (1)

grouchomarxist (127479) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961527)

The was no announcement of 2.0, this is only speculation. However, as others have observed, in the tech industry they're always working on 2.0.

Re:Alpha release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961913)

Plus, the Surface crashed during Sinofsky's demo. He grabbed another one from beneath the desk, and kept the show rolling along.

The Surface 2... (2)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961053)

...is the one that will actually work...

Re:The Surface 2... (2)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961513)

Bitch please, Surface 3.11 for workgroups.

Re:The Surface 2... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961745)

3.11 for workgroups

These young whippersnappers is too young to remember the nightmare, fellow "old-timer".

Re:The Surface 2... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961847)

And then they will release Surface for Worksgroups.

Re:The Surface 2... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40962133)

Yay! Finally, *I can browse smoothly*.

STOP THE PRESSES! (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961185)

Wait, you mean that they aren't going to wait for 2-3 years before starting to work on their next set of hardware?

WHAAARGARBL!!

Is this really news? Cell phone manufacturers probably have 2 or 3 generations in development at a time, Intel probably has 3 or 4 generations planned out (it's why it took so long for them to drop the P4). MS starting wok on the next-gen of tablet is about as newsworthy as Apple making plans for the iPhone 5S.

And unless someone thinks I'm drinking the Haterade, come November I'll be getting either a Kindle Fire 2 or a Surface, probably a Surface.

Whatever . . . (0)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961213)

MS can say whatever they feel like saying about the Surface, as long as I can eventually install Ubuntu onto it I'll be happy. We need a tablet with a real OS.

Re:Whatever . . . (0)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961273)

Is the childish and completely wrong Windows isn't a real OS crap ever going to stop?

Re:Whatever . . . (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961563)

Is the childish and completely wrong Windows isn't a real OS crap ever going to stop?

If it ever becomes a real OS that people trust for real work, yes. We build systems that have to run 24/7/365, give or take a few minutes a year, and our customers would laugh if we put Windows on the servers.

More vaporware from Microsoft... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961275)

Does Microsoft really think they can freeze the tablet market by announcing vapor-based hardware?

Re:More vaporware from Microsoft... (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961677)

They can certainly freeze the Windows tablet market...

professional hobby. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40961623)

I noticed that too. I've always been impressed by these. I've seen some where the proportions and details are extremely exact, made by professionals in the hobby.
http://www.designnir.com/

Osborne effect ? (1)

giorgist (1208992) | more than 2 years ago | (#40961741)

Is this a case of the Osborne effect [wikipedia.org] ?
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