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Let the Campaign Edit Wars Begin

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the history-goes-to-the-victor dept.

Wikipedia 571

Hugh Pickens writes writes "Megan Garber writes that in high school, Paul Ryan's classmates voted him as his class's 'biggest brown noser,' a juicy tidbit that is a source of delight for his political opponents but considered an irrelevant piece of youthful trivia to his supporters. 'But it's also a tension that will play out, repeatedly, in the most comprehensive narrative we have about Paul Ryan as a person and a politician and a policy-maker: his Wikipedia page,' writes Garber. Late Friday night, just as news of the Ryan choice leaked in the political press — the first substantial edit to that page removed the 'brown noser' mention which had been on the page since June 16. The Wikipedia deletion has given rise to a whole discussion of whether the mention is a partisan attack, whether 'brown noser' is a pejorative, and whether an old high school opinion survey is notable or relevant. As of this writing, 'brown noser' stands as does a maybe-mitigating piece of Ryan-as-high-schooler trivia: that he was also voted prom king. But that equilibrium could change, again, in an instant. 'Today is the glory day for the Paul Ryan Wikipedia page,' writes Garber. 'Yesterday, it saw just 10 [edits]. Today, however — early on a Saturday morning, East Coast time — it's already received hundreds of revisions. And the official news of the Ryan selection, of course, is just over an hour old.' Now Ryan's page is ready to host debates about biographical details and their epistemological relevance. 'Like so many before it, will be a place of debate and dissent and derision. But it will also be a place where people can come together to discuss information and policy and the intersection between the two — a town square for the digital age.'"

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If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Interesting)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972301)

Then I'm pretty sure that what Paul Ryan did in high school can be too.

But seriously, I'm a lot less concerned with what Paul Ryan did in high school that what he has done since. I'm not sure what Romney was thinking on this one (excite a base that was ALREADY excited, that would have come out to vote against Obama no matter who you chose?). But he just gave the Democrats an incredible gift. Because he didn't just excite the Republican base, he also just excited the Democratic base (and scared the hell out of the independents, and conceded Florida). Many Democrats were disenchanted with Obama and probably wouldn't have come out to vote for him again in the fall. But stacking him up against an insane-right-wing Ayn Rand ideologue who wants to abolish Medicare and Social Security to give tax cuts to the wealthy is a pretty fucking great way to motivate them. I'm not sure if this is some form of political suicide or just incredibly bad advisers, but either way--speaking as a Dem--thanks, buddy.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972343)

Brown noser? That hardly does credit to the man.

He would fellate a turd!

Top Ten Reason's for AmerCIAns to Vote (0, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972401)

10. You can pretend to help decide which CIA-groomed figurehead will front for the banksters during the next four years.

9. If the rigged voting machines break down, your vote might actually be counted.

8. With a bumpersticker like "Don't blame me, I voted for Cynthia McKinney" (or your favorite 3rd party candidate) you'll feel superior to the sheeple for the next four years.

7. Poking little holes in computer cards is good exercise for the muscles in your hands and wrists - and since you only do it every four years, you won't get repetitive motion syndrome.

6. Voting offers an opportunity to do your civic duty: While standing in line waiting to vote, you can hand out 9/11 truth DVDs and explain to the sheeple that if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

5. If each of the two major party candidates gets exactly fifty million votes not counting yours, your vote will determine which candidate can brag about getting the most votes. Unfortunately, due to the mysteries of the electoral college system, getting the most votes has nothing to do with being elected President.

4. You'll get to play a minor role in an outrageous, over-the-top farce, without having to get yourself hired as an extra in a Mel Brooks movie.

3. Since your vote has no effect whatsoever on the actual governance of the nation, you can go ahead and vote without feeling guilty about the mass murders and genocide that the government is guaranteed to keep right on perpetrating, regardless of the electoral outcome.

2. You can cast a write-in vote for a relatively honest president of some relatively honest country, like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and hope that your local newspaper will mention it along with the write-in votes for Donald Duck, Ted Nugent, Ted Kaczynski, OJ Simpson, and Mishka the Talking Dog.

1. Casting a meaningless vote in a system rigged to victimize people like you is better than masturbation: It allows you to screw yourself, without requiring you to assume an anatomically impossible position and risk serious injury.

http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2012/08/top-ten-reasons-to-vote-in-american.html [blogspot.com]

Re:Top Ten Reason's for AmerCIAns to Vote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972595)

Wow, you really are just into the deep, deep end of the chlorine free woo pool.

Seriously, a Young Earth Creationist using homeopathic medicine to avoid vaccinating their kids has a 1000% better connection to reality than you.

Hopefully the old folks home you post from will cut off your Internet access, and snuff out your useless voice, much to the world's benefit.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Insightful)

dtmancom (925636) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972345)

Obama's place of birth is an actual Constitutional issue. Ryan's cliques in high school are not.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972367)

But Obama's cliques in college are [dailycaller.com], of course.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972485)

The Choom Gang reference is not in Obama's wiki entry. Are you suggesting it should be?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972577)

If you think anyone is going to win or lose an election based on brown-nosing or smoking weed in in high school, then sure, put it on in there.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Insightful)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972717)

Not like Obama's friend ever attacked and killed people. Like attacking the Pentagon. Oh wait....

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972373)

Fictional distraction - not actual issue.

The fact is - it is an ABSURDITY created BY the Obama camp, to make appear as ridiculous those looking into the REAL dodginess in his his background.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972433)

The fact is - it is an ABSURDITY created BY the Obama camp, to make appear as ridiculous those looking into the REAL dodginess

Dude, you are one serious conspiracy theorist. I guess Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump and others got suckered by Obama's Chicago team, right?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972617)

It's called an "Inoculation story" - similar to "limited hangout".

It's why everyone in the Press reported about Romney's poor dog on the car - and his accident in France - where he KILLED a passenger - is almost unknown.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972667)

Dude, forget about it. You won't get through to these blind morons. They've all been scared into voting for Obama.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972775)

"Stupid Fucking Moron" is too good for you.

A two second Google search shows that his car was struck head on by drunk driver [thedailybeast.com].

And that's from the Daily Beast, a site that spares no opportunity to get in a dig at anything Not Obama.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972781)

I agree the accident in France hasn't gotten the play it should, but the dog on the roof is the kind of story that resonates.

Mitt strapped a dog on the roof for 12 hours and chuckled when he saw the dog's feces stream down the windshield? That tells you something about the man. He's brutal. And it fits in with the prep school haircutting story, and all the plant closings at Bain Capital.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972805)

You must edit Wikipedia a lot, because you clearly missed and/or chose to ignore the facts regarding that accident. Mitt Romney was NOT [wikipedia.org] AT [thedailybeast.com] Fault. [washingtonpost.com] For those too lazy to read the linked articles, "A car heading north at about 60 mph missed a curve, barreled over a hill and veered into Romney's southbound lane. The car slammed into the front of the Citroen..."

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Insightful)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972453)

The fact is - it is an ABSURDITY created BY the Obama camp, to make appear as ridiculous those looking into the REAL dodginess in his his background.

Newt Gingrich - member of the Obama camp? The levels of double dealing and obfuscation continue to fold back upon themselves like a pastry chef preparing baklava.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972505)

Baklava? Are you some sort of communist?

I think you mean like a pastry chef making freedom crescents.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972867)

Baklava? Are you some sort of communist?

I think you mean like a pastry chef making freedom crescents.

Pastry?!? Are you some sort of cheese eating surrender monkey?

I think you mean Bisquik, like "hand me the Bisquik, we're having pigs in a blanket tonight."

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972609)

Newt Gingrich - member of the Obama camp?

Could make for an interesting novel, though: "Newt Gingrich, Deep-Cover Democratic Operative."

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972663)

And you have the tiniest shred of proof of proof that Obama's camp is behind it? To my memory, the Birther issue was not part of the official Republican stance; it was propagated by nut jobs who would rather believe the wildest conspiracy theory than accept that Obama was elected fairly.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972489)

Why would it be? That would have been checked before he registered to be a candidate.

I still don't understand it anyway, since the constitution says natural born and I would assume that covers anyone that was became a citizen by birth. I for instance was born outside the US, but because one my my parents was a US soldier I was a citizen by birth.

Wiki quotes the Congressional Research Service to say;

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term âoenatural bornâ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship âoeby birthâ or âoeat birth,â either by being born âoeinâ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship âoeat birth.â Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an âoealienâ required to go through the legal process of âoenaturalizationâ to become a U.S. citizen.[1]"

Which seems to agree with my analysis.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972533)

Obama's place of birth is an actual Constitutional issue. Ryan's cliques in high school are not.

It is a Constitutional issue only because he is black. Nobody gave a shit that McCain was born on a military base in Panama or that Romney's father was born in Mexico when he tried to run for President. But Obama had to have been ineligible. It is a double-standard and it is racism. And it is also factually incorrect. So fuck you for bringing it up again.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972859)

I wouldn't say it's because he's black. His middle name is Hussein. The belief, no matter how unfounded, was that he was somehow trying to subvert the presidency toward muslim principles.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Informative)

bedroll (806612) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972565)

You're right, Obama's place of birth gives us an excellent opportunity to examine areas of Constitutional law that are commonly misunderstood. For example, where he was born means absolutely nothing because the citizenship of his mother is not in question. So, like George Romney - Mitt's father, who was born in Mexico - President Obama is a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born. The rest is racism and xenophobia.

As for the usefulness of Ryan's brown-noser status: Well it's not particularly important except that Americans like to know the personality of their prospective leaders. When Biden was picked it wasn't particularly important to note that he's a gaff machine, except in the personal context of how others will judge him. Either way, if it is verifiable and people are interested in the information as a part of his profile then it should meet the minimum standards for inclusion in Mr. Ryan's Wikipedia page.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

kenp2002 (545495) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972383)

" insane-right-wing Ayn Rand ideologue" and where did that come from? Why exactly is he mentally disturbed?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972447)

Because anyone who thinks that following Ayn Rand's philosophy to its full conclusion is going to lead to utopia is batshit crazy?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972579)

Because anyone who thinks that following Ayn Rand's philosophy to its full conclusion is going to lead to utopia is batshit crazy?

It will lead to utopia, just not for people like you or me.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972823)

Because anyone who thinks that following Ayn Rand's philosophy...

Rand's Objectivism is definitely not philosophy, as there is no set of principles that are sufficient to arrive at its conclusions, nor is it any kind of study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality or existence. Objectivism is a socio-political belief system, if even that. Ayn Rand was no philosopher.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972513)

Yes, that's unfair without a clinical assessment. I'd just use the word "bizarre".

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Insightful)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972435)

I'm actually more interested in what Obama did in College, than high school, but that's still mostly irrelevant.

abolish Medicare and Social Security

It's Obamacare that specified 700B of cuts to Medicare in the baseline budget. Ryan's budgets keep Social Security the same for anyone currently over 55 and rather then let Social Security go bankrupt in the near future, modify it so that it's are able to last for much longer.
Of course, having passed more of his budgets through Congress than Obama has (who can't even get Congressional Democrats to vote for his ideas in bill form), Ryan has had to be the adult in the room and actually consider the effects of things on the deficit and future entitlements.

This VP pick shows that Romney is more interested in governing well and taking on serious issues than he is interested in short-term political gain from a couple of poll points in a swing state or two. Ryan was by far the best serious candidate for the VP job.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (-1, Troll)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972519)

It's Obamacare that specified 700B of cuts to Medicare in the baseline budget.

And it's Ryan who proposed abolishing it altogether.

. Ryan's budgets keep Social Security the same for anyone currently over 55

Somehow "Screw You if You're Over 55!" doesn't have the ring if an effective campaign slogan to me. But if that's what you want to go with, more power to you.

Trying to win Florida without Marco Rubio, while advocating abolishing Medicare and SSA--yeah, good luck with that.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

Thorodin (1999352) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972845)

Being one of those "over 55," I'm planning for my retirement (when and if I ever do retire). If Medicare is changed to something where the feds give me a check and I buy my own insurance, that's fine. I don't think it will ever come to that. I doubt if the AARP would accede to such an act. Ditto with Social Security. Both are way too popular with people for it to happen.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972541)

If he were really interested in the deficit, what are all those tax-cut proposals doing in there?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (3, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972599)

That is another good point. You can't tell us how serious the deficit is, and then include tax cuts. That makes me awefully sucspicious of the motivation.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972675)

No, that is a liberal point of view. You can't cut spending and you can't remove tax cuts.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972889)

What? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Using terms like "liberal" or "conservative" makes me think that you are trying to score political points instead of dealing with a serious issue. We spend more money than we take in. So it makes sense to increase the amount of money we take in, and reduce the amount of money we spend. Is that not, just plain logic?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Insightful)

RoccamOccam (953524) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972733)

I don't understand this demagoguery by the Left. Are you saying that using the current tax rates (or higher) is the only way to get to a balanced budget? This seems to ignore two things: government revenues are not a linear function of tax rates (sometimes they are inversely related!) and lower spending can offset lower revenue.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972831)

In theory government revenues don't need to be a linear function of tax rates, but in normal ranges they typically are. If you raised the top rate from 33% to 99%, you wouldn't see a tripling of revenue, but if you raised it from 33% to 34%, likely you would get more revenue; and if you lowered it to 32%, likely you would get less revenue. The Laffer Curve is not empirically supported, if that's what you're thinking of.

And, in general, I don't think lowering revenue when you already have a deficit problem is a good way to go. If we're running surpluses, then sure, cut taxes; but we aren't.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0, Flamebait)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972553)

Near future?
Social Security is NOT GOING BANKRUPT YOU IGNORANT TWAT!

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=00628 [niemanwatchdog.org]

Remove the cap that excludes the rich from paying their fair share, and it would even be fully funded for more than 75 years.

Ryan was chosen because he is disposable, this is the republicans wasting a Mormon and a Catholic at an election they have to show up too, but know they will not win. This way in another four years they can say "look how diverse we are, we let even non-christians(american protestants often claim both mormons and catholics are not christian.) run as our candidate". How the church their sects split from can not christian but the resulting church end up christian is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972703)

>> "look how diverse we are, we let even non-christians...run as our candidate"

Well that's nice and all, but it's not as diverse as letting a Nigerian-Muslim run as their candidate.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972587)

As an Independent voter, I like the fact that he actually has concrete ideas that we can discuss and debate, however it all seems to be moot when you consider that he and the fellow house republicans were unwilling to even begin to compromise to achieve an actual solution. Promoting him, is like promoting gnu hurd. Yeah, its different and maybe theoretically better, but no, its not really ever going to effect anything. Great artists ship.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972893)

As an Independent voter, I like the fact that he actually has concrete ideas that we can discuss and debate, however it all seems to be moot when you consider that he and the fellow house republicans were unwilling to even begin to compromise to achieve an actual solution. Promoting him, is like promoting gnu hurd. Yeah, its different and maybe theoretically better, but no, its not really ever going to effect anything. Great artists ship.

How can anyone "compromise" when the ruling Dems won't even pass a budget?

And why is "compromise" always result in higher taxes and bigger government? That's NOT a "compromise".

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972589)

This makes sense.

So the troglodytes on Slashdot will mod it into oblivion.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972639)

Sharps' post was partisan crap. So was yours - the only difference is that he at least learned a talking point or two.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Informative)

sinij (911942) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972677)

If you want to vote Republican ticket because of Ryan's Plan - make sure to read it. Ryan's Plan does include privatization of social security (no specifics on how, mandatory 401ks or 'contracted' to Goldman Sachs?) and turns medicare into voucher system (who will provide individual affordable healthcare coverage to sick and poor out of this population remains unclear). It also includes a lot of tax cuts to corporations and top 1%, Romney for example would pay less than 1% taxes under Ryan's plan. Last but not least Ryan's plan does not at all addresses defense spending - so no cuts there whatsoever. Fundamental problem with Ryan's Plan is that as far as fiscally conservative plans go - it isn't one. Even if you take his "closing tax loopholes" projections at a face value, any and all savings are channeled into tax cuts, not reduction of deficit. Last but not least - austerity measures that are bound to lower GDP (just look what austerity did in GB), debt/GDP will continue increasing under Ryan's Plan due to hit to GDP and no corresponding reduction in debt. In closing, also make sure to examine Ryan's voting record - every Bush tax cut, every expense, TARP, bailouts were voted YES. His rhetoric aside, fiscal conservative he is not.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Informative)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972693)

You know the republicans keep spouting this 700 billion dollar cut but does anyone actually know what was cut and why? I did some research and found a pretty well written post on reddit about it, and it has sources (amazing). To me it doesn't seem that bad, it certainly seems better than medicare turning into a coupon program. 60% off your next tumor ha!

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/y4afe/a_breakdown_of_the_gops_latest_talking_point/ [reddit.com]

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972441)

"Then I'm pretty sure that what Paul Ryan did in high school can be too."

Especially if, according to Romney, Ryan is going to be "the next president of the United States [youtube.com]". I mean, if he was only going to be a VP, then people could cut him a bit more slack :-)

I assume the idea is to motivate anyone apathetic about Romney to get out and vote, in the hope that Ryan might have as much influence on Romney as Cheney did on Bush. Or maybe they're already thinking ahead to the next election and the possibility of a presidential run for Ryan.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972475)

who wants to abolish Medicare and Social Security

How did this ever get +4 insightful? This is a perfect example of how the election is now the "D"s to lose. No one would argue Paul Ryan is king of the quislings a 1%er bootlicker to the core. But promoting outright laughable lies about the guy is a subtle way to push votes to the other 1%er supporting party, the "D"s. Negative campaigning has a way of backfiring, in fact I think at least some negative campaigning is strategic astroturfing by the "victim" to get sympathy.

The most interesting part of the story that is not being discussed is the contribution history / bribe record of all 4 candidates, prez and VP of Ds and Rs. All four have basically been hired by wall street to act as toadies to rubber stamp whatever the 1% want. So the election is already over, they won, and the 99% lost. I will not throw my vote away by voting for a D or an R and I strongly encourage everyone else to do the same. I wish this topic could get some airtime instead of sloganeering and negative campaigning.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972651)

How did this ever get +4 insightful?

Where have you been? The geeksphere has been infected by a cartoon level 99%/1% batshit, pig ignorant view of economics for quite some time now, and that translates into extremist, the world-is-pure-black-and-white-angels-and-demons ideology.

Geek have become absolute scum. They can install a Linux disto and that's about it. Outside computer tinkering, geeks have become even MORE deluded and ignorant than the non-geek "sheep" they like to criticize.

hired by wall street to act as toadies to rubber stamp whatever the 1% want.

Ah...

(backs away slowly)

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (4, Informative)

spiffmastercow (1001386) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972875)

How is that a lie? His plan is to "privatize" Medicare for those under 55. That will, in effect, destroy the Medicare program. It might create a new program of some kind (though I'm guessing it's more of an every man for himself kind of deal), but it would most certainly destroy the existing one.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972525)

Not sure it will work out one way or the other. VP is a rather ineffective role. It always has been. It is usually seen as maybe a stepping stone to the big chair. However, the VP's job is to basically be a secretary for the senate, deliver messages from the president to the congress, be president if the need arises, and vote the way the president tells him too on 50/50 votes.

But let me give you a quote from the first VP ever "My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived." - John Adams

It is a dull boring position. If you watch c-span for any length of time you will noticed the VP delegates the job to interns 99% of the time. The job is really to babysit a bunch of blowhards and count their votes and make sure they are entered into the national archive.

Many times the president does not even consult the VP for anything. They have their cabinet for that. Keep your eye on that group if you want to see how he would run the country. For example Obama used many of the same people as Clinton. It shows in his policies.

You could say in some ways he is removing one of the polarizing forces from congress. Tough decisions need to be made across the board. Or do you think 20trillion (using current Obama budget projections) in debt is a good thing? You cant make decisions like that if you have two groups playing he said she said.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972655)

It's true that the VP is a symbolic role, but it can still have a real impact on an election (just ask John McCain). There is something about the "heartbeat away from President" thing that makes people think.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (2)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972689)

VP is a rather ineffective role.

Two words: Gerald Ford

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972539)

Or maybe most other people are not trapped in your dense cloud of ideological bullshit.

speaking as a Dem

Translation: speaking as a deluded "useful idiot" to the psychopaths running my Party crack of choice

You're just as huge a political douche as anyone you criticize on The Other Side. I wish the lot of you, left and right, would all drop dead of aneurysms.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Interesting)

operagost (62405) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972543)

But stacking him up against an insane-right-wing Ayn Rand ideologue who wants to abolish Medicare and Social Security

Really? No. For one, Medicare was to be replaced with a system similar to the Dem's own Affordable Health Care Act... and considering all the problems with Medicare, no one should be treating it as a sacred cow. Ryan barely registers above a neocon on the Utilitarian scale.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to-end-medicare-claim/ [factcheck.org]

I, for one, am really tired of this shameful hyperbole. It just proves that so few put the well-being of other above their own pet agendas.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972731)

Yes, except Medicare is open to all seniors over 65. His "replacement" is open to everyone too--everyone who can pay the difference between their voucher and what their insurance actually costs, that is:

If the chosen plan costs more than the premium-support [i.e., their voucher], the senior would pay the difference.

Oh, got a pre-existing medical condition that makes your insurance cost more than your voucher? Tough luck, grandma.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972755)

For all you idiots out there that don't know exactly why medicare is in trouble. One of the big factors is that organized crime has been steeling from medicare for years. The fed can't keep up. Should the government fix that problem? Literally, millions are stolen every month where there's a high population of retired people. Florida is especially hard hit by it. In reality crime is always going to happen and organized crime steeling money is always going to happen. Changing it to some other kind of plan isn't going to magically "fix" it. Medicare waste is such a small % of the problem. Sure, they could make things run smoother, but several thousand dollars of waste each month is nothing compared to medicare fraud of 50million+. Neither dems or rep know how to fix the problem and largely they ignore it. Screw both those parties, they don't represent the middle class. The work for legal and illegal organized crime. The biggest criminals are the ones on wall street.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972555)

Obviously the point was to lose the election. Either that, or you think that Romney is certifiably crazy, which is not really ruled out by the available evidence, but it seems somewhat unlikely.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972699)

Funny, here I was thinking that Obama's birth was NOT an issue. So, your logic is IF crazy conspiracy theory = true; THEN it's OK to talk about a bunch of high school students ostracizing one of their classmates in the highly public forum. And if someone wasn't popular in high school, obviously it means he's unqualified for public office. That's how it works? And this has to do with Obama how again?

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1, Flamebait)

HanzoSpam (713251) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972759)

Many Democrats were disenchanted with Obama and probably wouldn't have come out to vote for him again in the fall. But stacking him up against an insane-right-wing Ayn Rand ideologue who wants to abolish Medicare and Social Security to give tax cuts to the wealthy is a pretty fucking great way to motivate them.

Yes, because nothing scares a Democrat quite like the possibility of being forced to take his hand out of other people's pockets.

Re:If Obama's BIRTH can be an issue (1)

Thorodin (1999352) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972783)

Did you just copy\paste the last line from a DNC website? Sure reads like it.

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972313)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, She is Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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alexander peter kowalski
903 east division st.
syracuse, ny 13208

dob: 01/31/1965

mother:
jan kowalski
dob: 12/03/1933

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972377)

Michael Kristopeit, is that you?

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972507)

Michael Kristopeit == APK == DNSCube guy. It all makes sense now.

Paul who? (0)

MSojka (83577) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972351)

Would it kill the editors to write half a sentence about who the hell this "Paul Ryan" guy(?) is supposed to be?

Re:Paul who? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972429)

Would it kill the editors to write half a sentence about who the hell this "Paul Ryan" guy(?) is supposed to be?

No, but it can be done in four images:

Barack Obama = The epic tome with Tolkein's perfectly-crafted songs
Joe Biden = The novels with Pratchett's funny one-liners
Mitt Romney = The bible for Mormons
Paul Ryan [comcast.net] = The bible for Objectivists

Re:Paul who? (3, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972763)

...write half a sentence about who the hell this "Paul Ryan" guy(?) is supposed to be?...

A paragraph for each. I'm not going to vote D or R, so you can trust my analysis is non-partisan and pretty accurate guide to people who aren't paying attention:

Barack Obama = Vote for change, then change nothing. He would have made a pretty decent pre-neocon somewhat left of the road republican more or less in the image of Tommy Thompson back in ye olden days. Just another crook from Illinois. Basically a leftish conservative using the traditional definition of conservative not wanting to change much of anything. Despite being "commander in chief" has a strong historical record of doing whatever his masters tell him to do (D leadership, 1%ers, wall street). You can't trust him, he has bad ideas, but he never does anything, especially not if he promises it or campaigns on it, so that's OK.

Joe Biden = Probably the closest thing in national govt to a 99%er. Poorest member of the senate (still rich, but he's not rollin with the 1%ers). Babbles a lot. Most likely of all the candidates to have a twitter tag like "shitbidensays", because he's got the largest collection of memorable quotes (both good and very very bad). Fundamentally seems to be a good guy at heart (unlike the other 3 who are all crooks) but in practice a bit too lefty for my tastes. Fairly conservative, just another elderly hippie reliving the great society programs of the 60s. If he could be jolted out of the 60s and into modern era he'd be a pretty good leader, maybe not the best, but not bottom of the barrel like the other 3. You can trust him, but he's got an obsolete outlook on the world.

Mitt Romney = Gordon Gekko come to life, 1%er to the core. Another power hungry rich crook. Apparently wants to surround himself with bootlickers and quislings aka neocon Rs. Doesn't seem to have much of a message other than "I'm a 1%er now lick my boots, proles" alternating with "I'm not Obama". The hardest core evangelicals who run the R party are all in a tizzy about him because they now have to vote for what they consider a cult member, he's not "religiously pure" enough for them. You can't trust him and he's got big ideas, most (all?) of which are bad ideas.

Paul Ryan = 1%er wannabe bootlicker quisling originally from my home state of Wisconsin but left decades ago to become a wash DC insider so he really doesn't represent anyone other than whoever pays his re-election bills. Pretty much interchangeable with all the other 1%er bootlicker quislings. Wants to portray himself as a budgetary expert. In the traditional definition of liberal = wants to change things, he's the most liberal of the bunch. He hasn't actually done anything or stood for anything other than PR stuff (and he's "from my state" so I should know). In that way he's kind of a mystery man. The 1%er Manchurian candidate. You can't trust him and he's apparently got no ideas at all of his own.

I would anticipate Biden is going to crush Ryan in the veep debate just on general mental horsepower, which will be entertaining to watch.

Don't they lock those things? (5, Interesting)

smoore (25406) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972359)

Why hasn't it been reverted to the preannouncment page and locked for editing with the addition of "prospective VP candidate for the Republican party? Seems like the best and only proper solution.

Re:Don't they lock those things? (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972405)

Well, presumably, you would have to at least add a mention of him getting picked as VP nominee. But this wouldn't otherwise be a bad idea.

Re:Don't they lock those things? (2, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972701)

You're kidding, right?

I mean, you have a perfectly sane and logical idea there, but it won't work, and here's why:

==
Fact the first: My wee little facebook page has been deluged of late with a megaton of hatred against a guy that I suspect none of my friends (or their friends, etc) have ever heard of until this past Friday. My sister-in-law's fault... let's just say that she's a bit of an 'activist'. So I decided to do a bit of questioning...

Fact the second: On one of the earliest postings, I asked a simple, humble question: "Show of hands: how many of you guys even knew this guy's name before the VP announcement?" In response, nearly every last one of these people claimed to have studied the guy from time immemorial. Mind you, none of them live in Ryan's state/district/etc., nor are they professional politicos, etc.

Fact the third: In response, I asked that if this guy were so evil/bad/etc, why has no one mentioned him until now, and why are all the graphics and such just regurgitated professional propaganda from left-leaning blogs and sites? In other words, I wanted to hear in their own words what their reasoning is for hating the guy, and not just cut+pasted pre-digested talking points that someone else wrote.

Fact the fourth: So far, the only responses have been a bunch of sputtering outrage directed against myself, accusing me of being an evil whatever-party-they-hate, but no actual explanation at time of posting this comment (and continued claims of ongoing and tenured expertise on the guy's life, work history, etc).
==

Thing is, I suspect that it's a hobby of some folks to go from admitted ignoramus to soi-disant expert on a political person or subject, and to do it in less time than it takes to type a few lines and click "submit".

Can't deprive folks of that, now can you? :)

Re:Don't they lock those things? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972855)

I'd suspect the average slightly aware news reader/watcher remembers the "Ryan Budget". It got quite a bit of press a year or two back when it was proposed.

Re:Don't they lock those things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972879)

What? WIkipedia interested in being viewed as reasonable and having a modicum of objectivity?

What are you smoking?

interesting problem (5, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972363)

I'm tempted to say that these kinds of articles aren't where Wikipedia works best. Articles where the majority of the editors are partisans, rather than scholars or knowledgeable enthusiasts, tend to attract a lot of heat and not as much improvement (I made the mistake once of trying to edit something that was in the Israel-Palestine crossfire).

On the other hand, it's quite possible that Wikipedia has the least bad coverage. It's Paul Ryan article is contentious, edited by partisans on both sides, and may or may not end up in a great state, but every other summary of Ryan I've been able to find so far is worse. Most are either pure attack pieces, or pure hagiographies.

Re:interesting problem (3, Interesting)

cashman73 (855518) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972535)

Not sure if I'd agree on that. One of the strengths of Wikipedia is that it allows a large number of editors to add information to the same place quickly. While there's certainly a lot of vandalism, particularly in the first few days of breaking news, things do stabilize and there is a wealth of well-cited information about such topics. Just look at articles about Hurricane Katrina [wikipedia.org], the Virginia Tech Massacre [wikipedia.org], or the recent Colorado shooting [wikipedia.org]. It's also interesting to note that the article about Barack Obama [wikipedia.org] has achieved "featured article" status (supposedly the highest level of quality on Wikipedia), and the articles about Joe Biden [wikipedia.org] and Mitt Romney [wikipedia.org] are both at the "good article" level of quality.

Screw Wickipedia (3, Insightful)

p51d007 (656414) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972379)

If anyone seriously takes the information on Wickipedia as "fact", if they are a (so called) journalist, they need to be flogged. Most of the things you find on the wicki site are at the mercy of whomever put it there, not backed up with FACTS. But, since we are talking about a conservative, it's fair game to trash. Now, since Obama is "the one", his wicki site is probably watched like a hawk, or locked down. I think all politicians wicki sites should be removed or locked down because trolls love to cause problems, and the general apathy of the American public. Most Americans, sadly, get more worked up over who is sleeping with whom, or the latest American Idol standings, than what the IDIOTS in DC are doing to us.

Re:Screw Wickipedia (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972419)

You're really trying to give Ward Cunningham an aneurysm with that spelling of "wiki", aren't you.

I voted for Paul (0)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972413)

I voted for Ryan as the biggest brown noser in the class, but only because Mitt was a year ahead of us.

Re:I voted for Paul (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972497)

Hey now! Mitt is a nice guy. Even gave me a free hair cut to show how nice he was. His barber skills could use some practice, but it was free so I wasn't going to poopoo on his attempt.

Was Paul Ryan modeled after Rick (The Young Ones)? (2)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972471)

Was Paul Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_%28TV_series%29#Rick) modeled after Rick?

They're even look-alikes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3U_J37YCc

"Hands up, who likes me"

Hands all down.

Re:Was Paul Ryan modeled after Rick (The Young One (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972511)

Was Paul Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_%28TV_series%29#Rick) modeled after Rick?

They're even look-alikes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3U_J37YCc

"Hands up, who likes me"

Hands all down.

that is funny.

Should have been locked (5, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972493)

This is a situation where the page should have locked to prevent the edit wars. Granted, no one knew who the VP pick was going to be, but as soon as humanly possible, the page should have been locked down and only selected individuals allowed to edit it for completeness, not remove things which, while not necessarily relevant, give a broader picture of who the person is.

Re:Should have been locked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972591)

It is a Wiki, they do have the ability to lock it on the last version before the VP pick was made public. They should probably also look for edits from people who obviously work on the campaign and revert those.

Re:Should have been locked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972711)

They should leave editing in place, but anyone suspected of partisan edits gets banned. Also, new users cannot edit either.

Re:Should have been locked (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972869)

they should just replace the whole page with a link to the guys official homepage, with a big title on it that explained that it's too much of a hassle to find impartial people to moderate the page during the elections.

Wars? (4, Insightful)

rossdee (243626) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972509)

Romney and Ryan want to increase Defense spending. Why? Do they want us to get us involved in more wars?

At least Obama has got us out of one unnecessary war started by the previous Republican administration, and is slowly scaling back the other one.

Tell the Republicans that if they want to lower the deficit they should cut back on the defense budget and stop getting us into wars.\

And the rich people don't need more tax cuts.

Re:Wars? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40972653)

I modded you Troll. But that was only because there wasn't a "Idiot" moderation available.

Re:Wars? (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972807)

So tell me, what about our exit strategy for the Philippines (110+ years), Germany and Japan (65+ years), Korea (60+ years) and Bosnia (15+ years)? WWII, Korea, and Bosnia were all wars started while Democratic presidents were in office.

Re:Wars? (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972881)

Romney and Ryan want to increase Defense spending. Why?

Well, it ain't cheap to bring democracy or Iran by force. Or was it "replace their democracy with a new U.S.-puppet Shah"? I always get two those mixed up.

Democrats Weigh In (2, Funny)

Revotron (1115029) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972515)

How long until we see PAC ads accusing him of being a big smelly poopy face? Wait, those already started? Hmm.

Welcome back to kindergarten, folks. I think I'll go hibernate for the next three months so I don't have to witness the ridiculous stupidity of American society when polarized by two equally bad alternatives.

I hate campaign season. (3, Interesting)

TheSpoom (715771) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972561)

The smart people have already looked at the real platforms of the candidates and know for whom they're voting. That leaves those who are too lazy to do any research; these are the ones swayed by stupid bullshit like how

Paul Ryan's classmates voted him as his class's 'biggest brown noser'

as well as attack ads and other campaigning that can be best summed up by "my opponent will destroy this country," even though a rational, objective thinker would realize that neither major candidate will likely do so.

The rest of us? We're not the targets of this late-stage campaigning so we're completely ignored. I'll be fast forwarding through the political ads like the rest of you and wishing it was already November 7. Hell, I can't even vote (yet) so this really just feels like being forced to watch a bunch of idiots fighting from the sidelines.

Re:I hate campaign season. (1)

Stirling Newberry (848268) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972767)

as well as attack ads and other campaigning that can be best summed up by "my opponent will destroy this country,"

It is the one thing that both camps can say that is probably true.

Everything is fair game (3, Insightful)

rickb928 (945187) | about a year and a half ago | (#40972669)

Since this is the era of the politics of personal destruction, anything is fair game.

Of course, it's dysfunctional, but we aren't going to change this soon. Our political process is too polarized now.

And of course, issues really don't matter to the side that sees them as a liability.

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