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247 comments

Lets hope high-end means high-end (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973243)

Well lets hope they actually mean what they say, because their previous definition has basically gotten anyone in Europe with a Motorola phone laughed out of the room.

Re:Lets hope high-end means high-end (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973591)

Europeans hate anything from the USA because they are idiots.

Re:Lets hope high-end means high-end (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973715)

We are, but Motorola is Chinese crap anyway.

Laughing Europeans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974097)

Well lets hope they actually mean what they say, because their previous definition has basically gotten anyone in Europe with a Motorola phone laughed out of the room.

Europeans are such douchebags.

Expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973247)

The interesting thing is what happens after the layoffs.

Next up: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973265)

suing samsung for patent violation.

Re:Next up: (1)

i_ate_god (899684) | about 2 years ago | (#40973757)

google bought motorola to protect samsung presumably.

Re:Next up: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974281)

Just the opposite, actually. Samsung is running all the Android vendors under with their superior tech/manufacturing. Google wants to ensure a single company doesn't dominate the market, or they'd be out on their ear.

Patent suits are secondary and will be settled in a backroom deal eventually.

Probably Not. (4, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#40973815)

Google’s law firm of choice for intellectual property matters, Quinn Emmanuel, is also representing Samsung, Motorola, and HTC in litigation with Apple over patent infringement.

Apple are attacking Android publicly. I personally can only see Google supporting Samsung...and others. That was kind of the point of the Google acquiring Motorola in the first place.

Diminishing returns? (4, Interesting)

pr0nbot (313417) | about 2 years ago | (#40973287)

Is there a race to the bottom in the sense that if all handset makers abandon the low-end market to focus on higher-margin smartphones, competition will increasingly erode those margins?

FWIW if I were making smartphones, the overriding lesson I would take from the iPhone is "make just one model". It's high risk, but selling phones seems to be about marketing first and technology second, so putting all your marketing muscle behind one model doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Re:Diminishing returns? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973339)

Well, consider that Nokia's rise to fame was also relegated to only very specific models overall.... Thats the model which permits 3rd party accessories and support. The iPhone rides very high on this, as did Nokia back in its days of glory.

Re:Diminishing returns? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973359)

See stages 2 and 3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_life_cycle_management

Nokia destroyed low end for others. (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#40973411)

Nokia destroyed low end for other players in global scale..
cheapest nokias are so cheap it's very hard to compete there. note that this was happening all last decade, siemens got ran to the ground.. sammys featurephones were in trouble most of the time. Motorola had an one off hit with the razr but that was their high point in featurephones.

if you can buy a 101 for twenty-thirty euros.. what's there to compete? it's a supply and least parts necessary game. it's still a big business though.

but you know what's funny? the smartphones we have today into which nobody has found any good features in couple of last years to tack on will be hundred bucks in couple of years. they're gonna have to come up with some really good gimmicks for the high end if they intend there to be a high end high margin market at all then.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (5, Interesting)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 2 years ago | (#40973791)

Imagine a world where you get home, pop your cell phone into a doc and bang you're running your phone as a full desktop with all the cpu/memory power+some of your current giant 500 watt system sitting under your desk, but it still has a standby battery life of days and full usage of hours.

Then you feel like laying in bed and reading a book, you pop your phone out of the desktop doc and doc it in your 7-10" tablet device and bang you're running a tablet with all the same apps and data.

It is coming.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (2)

cduffy (652) | about 2 years ago | (#40973951)

The word you want is "dock". And yes, not even that far away -- the Asus PadFone [asus.com] shows a substantial chunk of the capabilities in question.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974015)

So you are saying wireless development will be lacking?

I imagine the actual computer being somewhere on your body where you normally don't even see it, and the "phone" only being a peripheral that is connected to it wireless. When you get home, the TV, keyboard etc. automatically connect wireless to it, too, as soon as you switch them on (or as soon as you approach them, if they are already on).

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (4, Interesting)

PerfectionLost (1004287) | about 2 years ago | (#40974117)

What I want is not a dock for my phone, but to have its screen be stretchable to adjust the resolution. Extend the canvas out for when you want that extra real estate, but collapse it back down when you want it to fit in your pocket.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974133)

then when your done reading on your tablet you pop your phone into your wifes favorite toy and BAM, she has an orgasm

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974181)

i like the way this man thinks... sidenote, get the ducky app.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (1)

biojayc (856286) | about 2 years ago | (#40974289)

I agree. This is why IMO Microsoft is so mobile focused with Windows 8. Bridging desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, and xbox into one common interface paradigm. It won't be long before they are all essentially the same device, just different docks for different purposes. Android is moving in the same direction but backwards, as in developing the phone and tablet and then watch as it starts to move into the PC and gaming spheres. The danger in it is heavy vender lock in, and a loss of control of the hardware. I agree. It's not far away.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (1)

fa2k (881632) | about 2 years ago | (#40974299)

I would want a system that's 100 times as powerful as my current desktop if it was available, so I'd just put 100 of these "superphone" processors in a case and have a nice desktop. And if you only browse the web and check email, the tech is pretty much there to replace your desktop with a phone anyway. You have HDMI out, and bluetooth keyboards and mice.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (4, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#40974483)

It is coming.

I have a different vision:
You get home and your smart phone is already synced to your full desktop/laptop, so anything you did on the phone all day is available on your desktop/laptop.

Then you are laying in bed with your tablet device, and it also is synced with your smart phone so you just start reading.

The advantages of this approach are:
1. When main device changes (in your example, the smartphone), all of your "docks" do not need to change.
2. High-power devices can stay high-power and low-power devices can stay low. Using your phone to edit high-def video would be murderous.
3. App and device manufacturers don't need to try and shoehorn their mobile OS and apps into a Desktop and vice versa.
4. Not everyone in your household needs to own a "main device", and all of your devices are available to use at the same time.

Disadvantages:
1. App and device manufacturers need to figure out a way to sync everything up.
2. Requires a network.
3. Individual devices may cost a bit more due to the need for a CPU in each.

In reality, I don't think the "brains" of a smart phone cost very much. I think far more cost is in the battery and screen. I think syncing is the way to go. It's a bit painful right now... even if you are 100% Apple not everything syncs. Google is great for keeping contacts, email, and calendars in sync. Firefox does a good job keeping browsers in sync. Amazon keeps all of your reading in sync. All of these companies are fighting for this space, and I don't really see many going for the route you envision.

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974317)

Cheap ass chinese handset makers destroyed low end

Re:Nokia destroyed low end for others. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974533)

Samsung, LG and others were and are cheaper than Nokia. Nokia just followed them.

Re:Diminishing returns? (0)

LingNoi (1066278) | about 2 years ago | (#40973481)

> the overriding lesson I would take from the iPhone is "make just one model".

The iPhone doesn't come in just one model, hence why they're called 2, 3s, 4, 4s respectively.

Re:Diminishing returns? (1)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | about 2 years ago | (#40973561)

> the overriding lesson I would take from the iPhone is "make just one model".

The iPhone doesn't come in just one model, hence why they're called 2, 3s, 4, 4s respectively.

They make the latest model. Stop being pedantic.

So was the 3GS on clearance? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#40973939)

So how could AT&T continue to sell the 3GS as an entry-level smartphone after the 4S was introduced? Did Apple really overproduce that many units?

Re:So was the 3GS on clearance? (1)

MBCook (132727) | about 2 years ago | (#40974127)

It's still in production. You have to remember that at this point the phone costs almost nothing to build, so building them for sale on AT&T isn't tough. More importantly, the 3GS is a very nice phone that (due to it's low cost) can be sold all over the world. The 4S, while a much better phone, is very expensive and wouldn't sell very well in poorer countries.

Re:So was the 3GS on clearance? (3, Interesting)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#40974337)

"So how could AT&T continue to sell the 3GS as an entry-level smartphone after the 4S was introduced? Did Apple really overproduce that many units?"

Yes Apple does manufacturer more than one model at the time, but they have a whole year to put their developers, marketers, logistics people, designers, behind one model, Once they do that, those costs are done and in the case of the 3GS -- can be spread out over 3 years.

Compare that to the typical Android OEM that manufacturers 10 or 12 phones a year. Apple's huge profit markets are partially due to the economies of scale by being able to buy one set of components for all of their phones.

Re:Diminishing returns? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973641)

How many different models does 'tard come in?

Retard/Differently Tarded/ruhTard/LingTard

Please be an idiot elsewhere.

Better Value for Money (3, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#40973693)

Is there a race to the bottom in the sense that if all handset makers abandon the low-end market to focus on higher-margin smartphones, competition will increasingly erode those margins?

FWIW if I were making smartphones, the overriding lesson I would take from the iPhone is "make just one model". It's high risk, but selling phones seems to be about marketing first and technology second, so putting all your marketing muscle behind one model doesn't seem like a bad idea.

First of the "race to the bottom" is a phrase used by those promoting Apple to give the illusion that competing products are of inferior quality, due to Apple able to charge a massive mark-up to their inferior products. What really happens is good old competition, and price is just one of the things Apple competitors are able to compete on. Its why the same market has phones with Projectors; Game Pads; Waterproofing; Digital TV Receivers; With a massive array of different sized screens; CPU's and Memory, hitting several different price ranges. What in reality they compete on is "Value for Money".

HTC and Motorola are decreasing their product lines...and its not just to make the economies of producing less phone is cheaper. Its simply that the added value of having phones in their product lines that are too similar to other phones of theirs does not exist...in fact its damaging. The days of get more wall space in the shop from having more phones has gone.

As for learn from Apple, Ask yourself if the iPhone had Huawei, HTC, Sony, or in the context of the article Motorola on the cover of would any customers buy it.

Re:Better Value for Money (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973929)

Oh shit. The Slashdot iTard Ministy of Truth is not going to take kindly to this post.

Re:Diminishing returns? (2)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#40973727)

The thing about the "high-end" market is that cost is less of an issue. If you're paying $800 for a smartphone or tablet, you want to make sure it does what you want. You're not desperate about saving $20 (if you are, you really shouldn't be spending $800 right now).

Re:Diminishing returns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973765)

Fewer phones will also help the technology aspect as well, at least for the software side. It is ridiculous that a top-of-the-line Motorola Droid 4 still ships with Android 2.3, ten months after Android 4.0 was released. There are so many different models that not enough effort can be spent on qualifying software upgrades for current devices, never mind the previous generation.

(Speaking of terrible marketing: If someone asks what kind of phone you have and you say "Droid 4", you are likely to hear the response, "There was a Droid 3?".)

Re:Diminishing returns? (4, Insightful)

Rich0 (548339) | about 2 years ago | (#40973871)

Ugh - there is room in the market for phones that AREN'T cookie-cutter copies of each other. What if I want a smartphone with a small screen - nobody would call that a flagship phone so nobody would make that a single-product focus. How about a phone with a keyboard - most people don't want that, so nobody would make that their single product.

The whole point of Android is that you actually get a choice. I don't want that to be a choice of 3 vendors who all make phones designed to look just like an iPhone...

Re:Diminishing returns? (3, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#40973897)

It's high risk, but selling phones seems to be about marketing first and technology second, so putting all your marketing muscle behind one model doesn't seem like a bad idea.

I have to disagree. Phones aren't "one size fits all." Unfortunately, too many phones from too many manufactuyrers are the same. It's hard to find a flip phone with decent fetures and a good camera you can fit in a pants pocket any more, and that's the phone I'm looking for. I'm also looking for a phone that I don't have to install apps to listen to the radio on -- I should be able to stream it from their web sites, just like I can with my computer.

They still aren't selling the phone I want to buy, and the one I had closest to the one I want broke, and they stopped selling it. The new smartphones are all HUGE, and I just fucking hate it.

Marketing isn't going to get me to buy a phone that doesn't do what I want or fit in my pocket.

I like the fact that I can buy a small, cheap car with good mileage, or a damned Humvee if I want. I like that fact that there are more than one flavor of cheese. I like the fact that I can get many different flavors of Linux. I just can't fathom those who say "there are too many!!!! I can't choose!!!

Next time you go shopping for a phone, just tell the salesman to pick one for you!

Notice that Apple only makes one model of phone, and Samsung alone sells a lot more Androids than Apple sells iPhones (there's a slashdot story about that farther down on the front page)..

Re:Diminishing returns? (1)

MBCook (132727) | about 2 years ago | (#40974145)

There are serious economies of scale in doing that though. If you only produce on model, you can order a ton of each component. If each model has a different sized screen (for example) you can't order nearly as many. You also get economies of scale in marketing, because you don't have to try to push 10 different phones into people's minds, just one.

Not enough time to evaluate all options (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#40974357)

I just can't fathom those who say "there are too many!!!! I can't choose!!!

They don't have enough time to evaluate all the options, including which one has enough of a user base around it that they'll be able to get support. Yet they don't trust the salesman's choice because they assume the ulterior motives considered typical of a salesman who gets paid on commission.

Re:Diminishing returns? (3, Interesting)

mspohr (589790) | about 2 years ago | (#40974103)

The NYT has a much better article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/technology/motorola-to-cut-20-of-work-force-part-of-sweeping-change.html [nytimes.com]

It does state that they will be reducing the number of models from 27 to "just a few".

Also they are attempting to introduce a more "small start-up culture" to Motorola. They got rid of 40% of their vice presidents which has to be a very good start.

Re:Diminishing returns? (4, Insightful)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | about 2 years ago | (#40974259)

"Also they are attempting to introduce a more "small start-up culture" to Motorola"

Every failing company makes this claim. I have yet to see a single successful example.

Re:Diminishing returns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974231)

Is there a race to the bottom

You exaggerate. The Motorola lineup is way too big. Motorola has multiple, redundant models of everything back to RAZR. Feature phones are a waste because generic hardware has wiped out the margins. The place badly needs some grownups to pare it down to something reasonable.

Motorola will be the source of all future Google phones and tablets, obviously. These devices are great and I'll probably be replacing by Samsung made Nexus S with a Motorola device. Samsung and HTC been eating Motorola's lunch and I hope Google can turn that around.

Producing fewer, hopefully better products (4, Interesting)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | about 2 years ago | (#40973307)

According to TFA, they're shifting strategy to make fewer devices, which I hope will be better than the things they've been churning out.. I suppose this is Apple's strategy, which has certainly worked well for them.

Hopefully a smaller product range will also allow for better after-market support. My phone is an Atrix, and I liked the hardware, but the software support has been lacklustre to say the least.

Just wait for the iPhone 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973743)

Sorry... Meant to say iPhone 4.2
 

Re:Producing fewer, hopefully better products (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#40973767)

According to TFA, they're shifting strategy to make fewer devices, which I hope will be better than the things they've been churning out.. I suppose this is Apple's strategy, which has certainly worked well for them.

Hopefully a smaller product range will also allow for better after-market support. My phone is an Atrix, and I liked the hardware, but the software support has been lacklustre to say the least.

No its not Apples Strategy. Apples Stratergy is to continue to sell its old phones, at a cheaper price than their latest offering, They are still going to offer a range of NEW phones just have fewer that differentiate themselves better. I continue to receive updates for all my Android Applications I think you are perhaps being a little dishonest.

Re:Producing fewer, hopefully better products (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#40973789)

Hopefully a smaller product range will also allow for better after-market support. My phone is an Atrix, and I liked the hardware, but the software support has been lacklustre to say the least.

If a company operates on the plan that no support is OK, maybe you'll buy a new one with fewer or at least different bugs, then cutting down the product line isn't going to help.

The problem with Motorola (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973357)

The biggest problem with Motorola is their last popular handset was the Razr. Combine that with the fact that there's no way to get a frost post on a Razr and we have a problem Whitney Houston.

Posted from my iPhone

More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb phone (5, Interesting)

eepok (545733) | about 2 years ago | (#40973373)

I've made a couple posts in the past regarding how I don't think anyone has ever spent sufficient effort to make a genuinely good feature/dumb phone. Too much effort is put on super-monetization-- from proprietary versions of internet connectivity to downloading Java games, there's just too much bloat in even the simplest of modern phones.

Here's what I would want from a proper modern feature phone:
Hardware:
**A telephone with a particularly good speaker and receiver, speaker phone
**A slideout QWERTY keyboard
**An MP3/Ogg/etc. player with equalizer and 3.5mm jack
**A camera that focuses on image quality, not color mods
**Bluetooth
**micro-SD card slot
**Alarm clock with calendar
**Some standard ringers with the functionality to play a ringer from micro-SD
**Chargeable by micro-USB cord
**With all the weight saved, get a better/larger battery
**Minimal animation/graphics. No need to burn battery on things NO ONE cares about.

No web access, no pic sending, no games, no playing or recording video. Just Phone, text, camera, music, alarm, and long battery life. Something that just works and works for a long time.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973457)

Yeah, and who wants one of those new Core i5 laptops, either. I want the good old days of a 386 with Windows 3.1!

GET OFF MY LAWN

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973617)

Challenge accepted [ebay.com] .
Windows 3.11 available separately [ebay.com] .

You call that a "dumb" phone?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973489)

You call all that a "dumb phone"? This is a dumb phone. [dorousa.us]

And even though is goes for about $60US, you can bet your ass that it has margins that would make even Apple drool.

Cheap price doesn't mean low margins.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973515)

so you want a smartphone, that cant browse the web or install apps. this is a terrible idea.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973555)

You sir appear to need one of these

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-C3350-Solid-X-Cover-Mobile/dp/B006DV8G3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344871586&sr=8-1

and if it has a slide out qwerty keyboard its considered a smart phone in my book. This is the only compromising point to your feature list. it does have the addition of being water proof and bounce proof.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973573)

A much more appropriate list for a good feature phone:

**A telephone with a particularly good speaker and receiver

FTFY

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | about 2 years ago | (#40973647)

That is what Motorola makes. Their problem is that the people who want them already have them and will use them for a decade, buying new batteries for $20 as necessary.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973903)

I'd like an alarm function too. But then, my ancient Cingular branded phones all have that.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973589)

Add in metal lightweight casing, with some of that Gorilla glass, and I'll buy one.

Oh, and make that battery something that's a standard even years later. I'd go for less battery life, if I knew I could easily get a new one when it inevitably starts dying.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1, Insightful)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about 2 years ago | (#40973595)

I agree. I also just want a phone that do well a single task: Phone calls.

I want a phone, not a useless toy.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973925)

I agree. I also just want a phone that do well a single task: Phone calls.

I want a phone, not a useless toy.

Well, good for you! We're all so... um... proud? Of your hipster-fucktard attitude? Is that what you want? Do you need a gold star along with it, or what's it going to take to get you to just shut the fuck up, go buy your goddamned non-smartphone, and stop wasting our time in what is clearly a smartphone thread?

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (4, Informative)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | about 2 years ago | (#40973969)

...I also just want a phone that do well a single task: Phone calls. ...

Easy: https://www.snapfon.com/index.php [snapfon.com]

you will never get that again (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 2 years ago | (#40974017)

Smart phones are replacing your desktop, GPS, wallet, voting machine, library, personal assistant, etc.

It will get to the point wherr governments will supplement phones for the economic all ly disadvantaged, such as they are becoming de rigeur for membership in modern society

What you are asking for is like asking for a PC that only plays Pong

Re:you will never get that again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974177)

Give me a break. Tell me what you can do with your smart phone that I can't do with my dumb old flip phone?

Re:you will never get that again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974319)

Play angry birds?

Re:you will never get that again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974375)

Lots of things. Zero things which are essential in order to live in and contribute to modern society. The poster makes it sound like smartphones are the new Internet, but they're not even close in terms of being personally limited if you don't have one.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (3, Insightful)

owlstead (636356) | about 2 years ago | (#40974235)

Smartphones are not useless toys by any means. If you think that then I'm afraid your century has gone.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974321)

While I do agree with you in theory, in practice, to 99% of smartphone owners, they are mostly-useless toys.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

Xest (935314) | about 2 years ago | (#40973625)

Many Nokia phones have offered pretty much everything on your list since 2001 or so with the release of the Nokia 7650.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#40974393)

Then please let me nudge the goalposts a bit to add one more criterion that Nokia products have historically not met:
**Available in the United States, either as part of a contract or with a discount on the monthly bill for not taking a subsidized phone

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974445)

That won't happen with any phone or carrier in the US because they need to compete on plan pricing.

Just take the free phone and be happy.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

nauseum_dot (1291664) | about 2 years ago | (#40973675)

I had this phone. It was called the LG enV3 [google.com] . It was awesome for everything you described, except the keyboard didn't slide out it folded out. The battery would readily last 3-4 days. It had good calendar features, chargeable by micro-USB, Bluetooth, etc. This thing was easily made 3 years ago.

Now, I have an iPhone and I am not looking back. Being able to VPN back into work and run SSH from my phone is like magic. It is called progress, brother!

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | about 2 years ago | (#40973697)

A camera implies a color screen. A color screen implies games. A camera also implies video recording. I see your point, but leaving out video recording if it can take pictures, and leaving out simple games from ANY phone, is just stupid.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973701)

No problem, Homer.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973731)

Congratulations you just described the Motorola Cliq or DEXT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Cliq
And with the latest CyanogenMod you can enjoy (as I do) Android 2.3
Never seen it but a Cliq 2 was announced, ... googling ... http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Cliq+2 woh it exists, if I need an upgrade (the DEXT works fine for me) thats what I want.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 2 years ago | (#40973813)

I tend to agree. However, UI optimization has to be the key.

My wife is still using a 4 year old feature phone because the newer models are all inferior. Tasks she does often are buried in the menus (things like pull up contacts, send/read SMS, etc.). Stuff she doesn't care about is front-and-center, like browse the web, look for ringtones, and all that.

It seems like the newer devices are just designed to get people who don't have data plans to accidentally pull a kilobyte of data here or there so they can be charged through the noses.

Sure, feature phones are becoming a niche, but if you're going to make one at least make it user-centric, and not carrier-centric.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973841)

No web access, no pic sending, no games, no playing or recording video.

No sales.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973893)

Unfortunately you represent a small portion(and least profitable) of the mobile consumer base. You can find dumb phones, but you aren't going to get a great selection anymore and its only going to get worse.

Blame the hipsters.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

dell623 (2021586) | about 2 years ago | (#40974187)

I have no idea why some people, especially tech people who have completely different demands compared to most users, actually imagine that it's worthwhile for a company to make a phone to cater to their esoteric demands. The time of the N900 is past, smartphones are mainstream now, not mini Linux computers for geeks (though you can turn your android phone into one to an extent).

Out of your requirements, only battery life matters to the average user.

Have you tried a Blackberry? I still fondly remember the keyboard of my Bold 9000, and the web browser was so awful that it would fit your requirements. Get a Blackberry Bold cheap off someone, and use it with a normal non-blackberry plan or pre paid. There were no superfluous animations. I am sure you can find an app that plays Ogg etc. It has MicroSD and Bluetooth. The battery life was better than current smartphones and you could get high capacity aftermarket batteries. Call quality was excellent.

The camera sucked though... Just buy a slim point and click with the money you save? Old Blackberry models must sell for peanuts these days..

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#40974349)

You forgot the foremost requirement of any feature phone: it has to be really, really cheap. With low margins, nobody's going to spend a lot of money coming up with new designs. The only way to profit is to pick a tried-and-true design and run with it.

Re:More reasont to give up hope on a good dumb pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974441)

**A slideout QWERTY keyboard

I can remember feeling anxiety about the lack of a keyboards on smartphones. It took about a day after I got a good smartphone to stop caring. Now I can't imagine needing or wanting a keyboard and I'm happy to do without the extra bulk and things to break.

Try a good smartphone keyboard and get the hang of it. You'll find it better in every respect once you adapt.

Locked Bootloaders Suck... (2)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#40973461)

Which is why I switched to a Nexus...pray tell, WHY does Moto not wanting me running a custom kernel that's not old and full of holes? I don't know, but the Droid2 was and will always be my last Moto phone until this changes.

So when will MOTO be making the Nexus line? (1)

hsmith (818216) | about 2 years ago | (#40973513)

Google has been partnering with Samsung and Asus for the Nexus brand. When will those partnerships come to and end as MOTO becomes fully Googled?

Re:So when will MOTO be making the Nexus line? (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40973785)

Google is supposedly expanding the Nexus line to at least 5 simultaneous devices in a few months. Maybe Moto will have something in there.

My understanding was that Google was going to operate Motorola almost as an independent company so as to not step on the toes of their other OEMs. I would expect Motorola to have to go through the same selection process of Asus, Samsung and everybody else.

They'll have to step on toes (1)

sjbe (173966) | about 2 years ago | (#40973995)

My understanding was that Google was going to operate Motorola almost as an independent company so as to not step on the toes of their other OEMs. I would expect Motorola to have to go through the same selection process of Asus, Samsung and everybody else.

They can say that all they want but I don't really see how it would be possible. Google will have to compete directly with their partners at some level - there really is no way around that. Otherwise there was no point in buying Motorola Mobility unless they were just buying them for the patents and intend to shut down the manufacturing and design operations.

Re:They'll have to step on toes (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 2 years ago | (#40974151)

My understanding was that Google was going to operate Motorola almost as an independent company so as to not step on the toes of their other OEMs. I would expect Motorola to have to go through the same selection process of Asus, Samsung and everybody else.

They can say that all they want but I don't really see how it would be possible.

Its quite easy. You just appoint leadership to the Motorola division, and then Google deals with them for most purposes just like they would any other hardware manufacturer.

Google will have to compete directly with their partners at some level - there really is no way around that.

The above post doesn't say they won't compete with their partners. In fact, as soon as they completed the purchase of Motorola Mobility, which competes directly with some of Google's partners, they were doing that. (Of course, if you look at the membership of the Open Handset Alliance, a lot of Google's partners are already people Google competes with fairly directly in one area or another.)

Re:So when will MOTO be making the Nexus line? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#40974043)

Google is supposedly expanding the Nexus line to at least 5 simultaneous devices in a few months. Maybe Moto will have something in there.

My understanding was that Google was going to operate Motorola almost as an independent company so as to not step on the toes of their other OEMs. I would expect Motorola to have to go through the same selection process of Asus, Samsung and everybody else.

As much as I agree with the sentiment. As we can see from the article. The move is from feature phones to lets be honest Android phones. I suspect going forward Motorola phones will look a lot [in software] more like the Nexus phones in future.

That's your Obama recovery (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973549)

right there. Don't worry, there's plenty of government cheese for everyone! We'll just print more money!

"The company will be laying off thousands of workers"

and under Mitt Romney no health care (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973881)

and under Mitt Romney no health care but you can come back as a temp with no health care.

Re:and under Mitt Romney no health care (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973961)

Who says you can't have healthcare? I have heard no such thing, you are a liar.

Back that up with some facts jack.

Why don't you tell us all how your free Obamacare Colonoscopy went?

Re:and under Mitt Romney no health care (1)

Dainsanefh (2009638) | about 2 years ago | (#40974487)

Even third world country have health care, look at China, Korea.

My advice to Motorola (4, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#40973721)

1: Make one or two really good smartphones per year one of which should be of the "prime quality" status.

2: Do not ever lock up the boot loader. In fact make it easy for geeks to do whatever they want with the device.

3: Get rid of the so called MotoBlur or make it an option.

4: Make the phone a real beauty to look at. It should capture one's attention out of the box, i.e. by default. Google for some mock-up images. There are plenty.

5: Make it rugged that a small fall still leaves it working.

6: Make it easy for users to return defective devices, do not let the media define your product unless their definition is in your favor.

7: Advertise, advertise, advertise.

Re:My advice to Motorola (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973873)

Scratch-proof screen. No need for expensive protective cases and screen covers.

Make it impossible to accidentally answer the phone or accidentally place a call (eg. to 911).

Re:My advice to Motorola (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40974059)

Make it impossible to accidentally[...]place a call (eg. to 911)

Yeah, especially if you're trying to buy some dope. [nydailynews.com]

Make it happen, Motorola!

Re:My advice to Motorola (1)

cmburns69 (169686) | about 2 years ago | (#40974333)

3: Get rid of the so called MotoBlur or make it an option.

Forget all the others, just do this! (I have an Atrix, so I have at least some experience with this)

gogole treats dead employees better? (1, Interesting)

peter303 (12292) | about 2 years ago | (#40973855)

There was a story this weekend about google paying 50% wages to surviving partners/family for several years.

good riddance (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#40973937)

I bought a motorola feature phone a couple of years ago, and it was a piece of crap. I bought it because it had an USB port for charging (and bought the wrong cable at a flea market). the keypad was incredibly bad, worse than toy phones for children. then it just died. they cut too many corners and a Nokia or Samsung feature phone was exponentially better. (the motorola F3 was nice a few years before though, ironically it was meant for the 3rd world and thus that one was high quality)

Why am I not surprised to see this from Google? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40973947)

It would appear that Google is basically the same as Romney/Bain Capital -- making rich people richer by firing middle-class people and leaving them without insurance.

Cleaning the house (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974161)

Apparently Google is getting rid of those who once joined a telecom behemoth to do some not so demanding tasks and never thought they would ever be challenged with a Google interview.

It's Official? (4, Informative)

Dripdry (1062282) | about 2 years ago | (#40974233)

A couple clients who are higher up in MMI told me about this just before the google buyout. I guess I can say something now?

This has been planned from the get-go, and it will weed out some inefficiency and bring in more of the "Google Culture" and clear out what most know is by-now pretty broken model at Motorola. On the whole, it sounds like a LOT of people are happy about this (from what I've heard). The people leaving will get some pretty good buyout packages, if I understand it right.

So, no need to panic. I'm interested in hearing other opinions, though.

Good Less Engineers for MotoBlur. (1)

scorp1us (235526) | about 2 years ago | (#40974313)

I had a Atrix, and ditched it for an N9 it was so bad. I love the N9 even though it's not as fancy as Android. Yesterday I was watching someone use MotoBlur at a party is it was still jarring after not seeing it for months. The degree of emotional response surprised even me, it wasn't my phone any longer yet I cringed, then felt sorry for the user.

On top of that, Motorola just had too many products to ever be able to support them right. How it takes over a year to port to ICS is beyond me, when may of the components are similar or the same to what they are using in ICS devices.

They should switch to Android!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40974415)

Errrr, wait...

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