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Leaked Emails Allegedly Tell of Global "Trapwire" Spy Network

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the all-the-better-to-see-you dept.

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judgecorp writes "The British government and police are customers of a controversial surveillance network called TrapWire, according to emails published by Wikileaks. The messages suggest that Scotland Yard and Number Ten Downing Street are customers of Abraxas Corporation, whose TrapWire network combines CCTV, license plate capture systems and databases. The TrapWire network has caused concern amongst online activists and Abraxas' site is currently not available, possibly due to attacks by Anonymous." There seems to be no end to the Trapwire conspiracy stories today, there's even one going around that various large companies such as Salesforce and Google were offered the chance to be part of the spy club.

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Wikileaks it self is honey pot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40973933)

Wikileaks it self is honey pot

Re:Wikileaks it self is honey pot (5, Insightful)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974621)

Maybe it is. But I think that it reflects much more negatively on the public than wikileaks if so. I know cryptome [cryptome.org] is no honey-pot. What should alarm us more than honey-pots is our collective ineffectualness in processing the information from such sources. It's almost like all the data in the world, exquisitely tailored to our liking, would have no effect either. It seems to me like world-leaders are treating the world along with humanity as a game, and like intoxicated children we play.

Re:Wikileaks it self is honey pot (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974813)

Well at least the graphics are good.

Re:Wikileaks it self is honey pot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975415)

Why don't you go offline, my friend?
We know you're a social engineer. And a pretty shitty one at that!

So why don't you let the big boys handle this, before you end up downloading child porn to your box, like the embarrassment that you are?

Ah, progress... (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#40973949)

Well, well. Isn't it so nice that after 'Total Information Awareness' was canned for being slightly too creepy even for congress, it has resurfaced as a free-swimming and not-at-all-sinister corporation heavily larded with CIA alumni. I assume that this is the American analog of our pal Putin's pithy "There is no such thing as a former KGB man"

Re:Ah, progress... (4, Funny)

i_ate_god (899684) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974917)

See, government spying is bad, because it's government, and whenever the government gets involved, it's inherently bad, because after all, it's the government.

But, this is not the government, this is business. And in this case, it's pretty much ok, because it's the free market doing it, and the market knows whats best for itself, because it's the market, and not the government.

Makes sense right?

Re:Ah, progress... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975351)

If there weren't so many people who manage to say things like that with a straight face and nigh-religious levels of conviction there would be a lot more humor in the situation...

Here's a video released by Anon about surveillance (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40973953)

If you'd like to see the extent of surveillance in US, watch this video released by anon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaG9pfEFSQ [youtube.com]

Scary to say the least. 1984 is already here.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (5, Informative)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974137)

If 1984 were here, you'd be an unperson by now just for saying what you just said. People really need to read the book... surveillance was only one tiny facet of what makes the party horrible. It is the facet that enables the other, even worse parts, but it is not the be all and end all.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974311)

I wish I could double-plus-like your post. There are other aspects of 1984 creeping into society.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974367)

I think in a post-9/11 world there will be new readings of what 1984 was actually about. I mean what is it REALLY about? It's about a disgruntled government employee who becomes a terrorist because he's having trouble getting laid. Can you dispute this is what happens? The proles in 1984 are perfectly happy but some rogue government clerk decides he wants to overthrow the government. Winston reminds me a little too much of Timothy McVeigh. Unfortunately geeks don't usually study literary theory so of course they'll think this is preposterous.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974449)

I always thought Winston was seduced by the idea of taking down the government, but really was never too sure of himself. Chasing the tail just put him over the edge.

In this way he is nothing like Timothy McVeigh and more 'useful idiot'

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (5, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974591)

Hmm, lets see... a reading where Winston is the bad guy huh? Does the government still unleash angry, starving rats to eat through his face because he had the temerity to have sex with someone and talking about political change? (do note: Winston never actually does anything to hurt anyone)

Sorry, not buying the "Winston was the real bad guy interpretation".

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (3, Interesting)

canajin56 (660655) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975223)

There was a Canadian show I watched one episode of called "Continuum", the "good" guy (well, girl) is a "Protector" in the "CPA" (I forget if it's "civilian" or "corporate" protection). In other words, she's a secret police officer. No uniform, license to kill. The "government" is the Corporate Congress. After bringing about additional market collapses they bought out the world governments and dissolved them. The CPA doesn't arrest people directly, they implant "trackers" which work not by actually being a GPS tracker, but by inducing more and more pain until the "perp" turns themselves in at the CPA station for sentencing and removal of the excruciator (hungry rats are sooooooooo 20th century). (The pilot has her smashing somebody's face in for vandalism then implanting the excruciator). Her suit/implants record everything she sees and hears and transmits it to HQ for filing. So, bringing it back to the second post in this thread, one of her buddies calls the government Big Brother, and she says the exact same thing "It can't be because otherwise you'd be dead". All while her implants are filming and recording, and transmitting back to HQ for processing and filing.

Anyway, the whole show is so heavily "1984 but the government is the good guy" I couldn't believe it. But they make sure the "bad guys" (pro-democracy rebels) are equally unsympathetic by having them kill as many innocent people as possible 24/7 for no reason. (PS the bad guys are a government trained death squad used to put down protests, but for some reason maybe explained in episodes I didn't watch, they rebelled.)

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (4, Informative)

citylivin (1250770) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975377)

Continue watching. The show got alot more interesting and nuanced after the first two episodes. Its getting harder and harder to tell who the "bad guys" are. (the show isnt the best scifi ever (they solve alot of problems with duce ex machina), but its interesting and being marketed heavily in canada which starts a good discussion over how far we would let the corporations run amok)

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (5, Funny)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976269)

they solve alot of problems with duce ex machina

I would respect the entertainment industry more if its writers didn't try to solve all plot problems with a Mussolini android.

None of that is relevant to 1984 (2)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976141)

The original point was that the person calling current society "1984" had never read the book. They just were using it as a generic term for "big government that I don't like."

Big Brother in 1984 isn't a surveillance state, it is a mind-control state. Surveillance is just part their means to that end. People who spoke out against the government, or even just questioned too much or acted wrong just disappeared. Not just from society, but from history, records were altered so that all trace of them was gone, they had never existed.

Hence if someone says "1984 is already here." What they are really saying is "I've never read the book." In the society of 1984 you couldn't make a statement against the government without being removed and reprogrammed or killed.

None of that is saying this is a good thing, just that it is not the society from 1984.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (2)

sjames (1099) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975245)

That's because you aren't the product of 'new education' where we teach kindergarteners that sharing is evil and that when strangers in uniform grab your crotch, it's 'good touch' no matter how scared and icky it makes you feel.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975683)

This is actually a correct viewing of Brazil.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

alices ice (699932) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975859)

well the government is keeping power by maintaining constant war with rotating enemies. the war may or may not be real, in which case it's bombing it's own population...so there's that

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974479)

The bad part is that 1984, like a lot of fiction, could pale next to current (or near future) reality. Would be like saying "Murphy was an optimist"

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974611)

If it does not happen literally by the book it does not mean it did not happen at all. Yes, you can still talk. Usually, unless someone is really interested in you being silent (try filming police, tell me how you liked it).

How long even that will last? Who knows.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (2, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974803)

Part of what makes slashdot slashdot is that 90% of the posters utterly lack any sense of perspective.

Theres a story about how Facebook is selling your data to russian mafia? Clearly, that is just as bad as what Hitler did in WW2. Obama enacts a healthcare plan youre not a fan of? Communist china, and Obama is Mao. Romney takes a stance on abortion that you dont like? Clearly, this man is as repressive as Stalin.

It should come as no suprise that in any particular thread about surveilance, at least one person insists that things are as bad as they are in 1984-- even if they happen to have not read that particular book.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974865)

To be fair a sense of perspective is the one thing no living being can afford to have. What with how insignificant they actually are when viewed from the total perspective vortex.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

garyebickford (222422) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975449)

My nephew once suggested, "Ask yourself how important this problem is, viewed from 40,000 light years out."

Your data on Facebook? (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975455)

> Theres a story about how Facebook is selling your data to russian mafia? You don't have any data on Facebook, it all belongs to Facebook !

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974837)

No we are in a gataca(spelling?) Type world. To hooked on self pleasure to even care about it. The people in charge know this and thus ignore people like him. Because few will listen to him anyway.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974897)

How about a "Brazil"-type world? Can we agree on that?

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (3, Insightful)

i_ate_god (899684) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974929)

Not only do people need to read 1984, but they also need to read Brave New World so they can start making more accurate literature comparisons.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976673)

Well, in this case they're both apt: Both regimes relied on extensive surveillance.

It makes perfect sense, really. If you're going to oppress people, you need to know what they're up to so you make sure you oppress the people who might be opposing you. Otherwise, a popular movement might get started that opposes you, and then you might be overthrown.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974943)

NO, you need to get real, and stop living in a fantasy world of extremes!

I'm an independent social engineer (Not the cheap "I hack yoo!" kind you see at Defcon), and while I can't tell you who I work with, I can tell you that there is one thing, George Orwell didn't foresee:

How well social engineering would work, for controlling the masses.

Why kill a person, when you can engineer his reality so he does whatever you like him to do? That's just primitive.
Why do 24/7 surveillance, when you can alter his model of reality so that he will want to do what you want?

Most people live in a massive willful delusion. Be it religion, that there is a conspiracy... or that there is no conspiracy and everything is just fine.
Nobody is completely free. Not you, not me.
As soon as the gradient is strong enough, rationality goes out of the window. I mean look, at the comments here. How much of that is hard rational thinking, uninfluenced by past emotional bias, and based on personal observations? Nothing
All we know, is what we read, heard or saw coming from source... It's pretty much all indirect. Then, when you live in it enough, your whole reality is built on it. So you can't even give it up anymore.

And here's the nice thing: As long as it fits our own past experiences, and is in itself consistent... make it look like it comes from some source they consider an "authority" (yeah, another funny fallacy), and they'll believe anything. An-y-thing!
Now who do you think has learned, to feed those sources very well...?

I know I have. I know it's the driving force on this planet. And I know that pretty much everyone isn't even aware of it.

AND I know, that even when I tell you this, and tell you how you won't accept it, you will not ever accept it. Like that quote:

[While playing chess]
You know what's so elegant about this little game, Jake? Nobody knows what the enemy is. They don't even know he exists. He's in every...one of their heads. And they trust him. Because they think they are him. If you try to destroy him... to save them,... they'll destroy you... to save him. Ahh... it's beautiful man... You have to admire the opponent's elegance. Check.

-- Revolver (2005, Guy Richie)

I sometimes wonder, if Richie may have had contacts to certain groups...

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975093)

Thank you for the information. Do you know where I can find of the same sunglasses you have?

I know I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975901)

The party, in 1984, was dependent upon their tools to maintain control. We seem to be building an awful lot of those tools for various reasons. You have to wonder what the long term impact of all of this will be. If we leave a lot of "tyrant friendly" toys laying about will a tyrant eventually show up to play with them? That is really what makes me nervous about all of this stuff. The powers that be now may really just want to protect people from crime or terrorists or whatever. Unfortunately these same tools could really put a hurt on the public if somebody not so nice where to take over. History has shown these things happen and we are really prepping the next dictator to be a tough one to get rid of.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976251)

In one of the recent articles on sci-fi books there was an interesting discussion on how 1984 was nowhere near as prescient as Brave New World.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975609)

First two clips are from InfoWars and Russia Today.

Yeaaaaaaah, I don't feel like being taken for a ride today.

Re:Here's a video released by Anon about surveilla (4, Informative)

iter8 (742854) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976491)

If you'd like to see the extent of surveillance in US, watch this video released by anon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaG9pfEFSQ [youtube.com]

Scary to say the least. 1984 is already here.

Isn't this convenient, the video has been deleted from YouTube. That is doubleplusungood.

Mirror please (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40976675)

Can anyone mirror the video? It's already gone.

Privatized Big Brother? (4, Interesting)

Gunfighter (1944) | about a year and a half ago | (#40973959)

I think this may be something that really does qualify as a legitimate answer to the age olde question, "What could possibly go wrong?"

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (4, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#40973989)

it seems this thing is like credit data. companies give up the data in exchange for a credit score and risk profiling

same here. seems like private companies will be giving up their security cam and other data in exchange for security services

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974217)

Ok - I can maybe see companies interested in this that do loans and other activities where it is important to know who their users are. But - Salesforce? I just don't understand what their interest is in this. Everyone who deals with Salesforce is known to Salesforce, because you need a license to use it. So - what gives? Even Google is suspect - yes, they have a vested interest in knowing who their users are, but I suspect that they have more data than they could get from this initiative. So, again - WTF? Something doesn't add up here. Either the people at Abraxas (hell of a name....) are selling snake oil and overselling who their dealing with, or this is something very different than is being described here.

Either way, I'm pretty sure we are not getting the full story here.

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974477)

we just found a monetization of the google cloud. sell the data of who is doing what to the spy networks including corporate espionage

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974881)

we just found a monetization of the google cloud. sell the data of who is doing what to the spy networks including corporate espionage

You're just figuring that out now? How bleep-bleep naive are you?

BTW, don't just assume that only google's cloud could do that.

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974801)

Banks already do that. A lot of CCTV footage in US come from ATMs.

Re:Privatized Big Brother? (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975579)

it seems this thing is like credit data. companies give up the data in exchange for a credit score and risk profiling

same here. seems like private companies will be giving up their security cam and other data in exchange for security services

I like the use of "conspiracy" and "alleged" in the top-level story. It gives this a real air of critical reporting. You know! Like the conspiracy story about your parent's families, in which your father is alleged to have impregnated your mother.

There's real room to reserve some skepticism around the entire business of these "stories".

In before "hosts file would block this" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40973979)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

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You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

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Just a matter of time (5, Insightful)

Dr.Seuss (94326) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974025)

To what degree cameras are coordinated isn't a conspiracy, it's an eventuality.

"Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then..." -- P.K.Dick

Re:Just a matter of time (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974169)

"Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then..." -- P.K.Dick

Coming from him, that's actually even more terrifying than it should be.

Re:Just a matter of time (1)

FhnuZoag (875558) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974363)

Yeeeah right.

Let's ask the key question here.

You are a Random Retailer. You have the camera systems. Let's say shady spook #1 comes to you and wants to rig your cameras into the Trapwire network.

(a) He can't force you, because you will fucking sue his balls off in every court in and out of the land for something like that.
(b) There's barely anything in it for you. Your customers might get creeped out. Your rival company might trumpet - Hey *we're* not signed up to Big Brother Net.
(c) And suppose you do agree. Who the hell is going to pay for it?

A lot of these systems are decades old. They aren't going to be compatible. This is going to require expensive refitting. As Mr Random Retailer, if you want me to do this for you, you'd better be prepared to bribe me massively, and good luck if you can find money for this in your recession year budgets. TrapWire, the company, would very much love to have a world where every CCTV user is wired in and paying them a nice, sweet license fee, but it's just not going to be happen. And if this was happening, Stratfor, an organisation whose super-sekrit research methods seem to compose of an intern with google search, will not be the place to hear it from.

Re:Just a matter of time (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974437)

A lot of these systems are decades old. They aren't going to be compatible

oh yeah, analog video is SO HARD to interface with.

its really hard to find yellow composite 75 ohm cable that is rca or bnc terminated.

YEAH, REAL INCOMPATIBLE!

(are you being stupid on purpose, poster?)

Re:Just a matter of time (4, Insightful)

FhnuZoag (875558) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974743)

The US army can't deliver a single set of compatible radios to the army. The British government couldn't get the NHS to run on a single IT system. What the hell makes you think they can do something like this?

Re:Just a matter of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40976717)

What the hell makes you think they can do something like this?

Hint: Computers went from government-owned machines the size of a truck down to ubiquitous gadgets everybody shoves in their pockets. Why?

Governments usually have a one-size fits all philosophy. A corporation will manufacture what is cost-effective and popular. This is one time where market efficiency beats government bloody-mindedness and unlimited cash.

Any government is best served by tapping into the capitalistic monetization of data. And for governments with 'limited' rights, having twitter, Facebook, Google and the local telco do all the work is an easy to exploit loophole.

Re:Just a matter of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974589)

(a) They're in England, so they can force you.
(b) They're in England, so they can force you.
(c) They're in England, so they pay for it. Or force you to pay for it.

Re:Just a matter of time (1)

FhnuZoag (875558) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974647)

England isn't Nazi Germany, don't be retarded.

Re:Just a matter of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975021)

"England isn't Nazi Germany"

Correct.

England is a far more pure police state and also much more surreptitiously so.

"don't be retarded"

Said the pot to the kettle.

Re:Just a matter of time (4, Interesting)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974949)

abraxas says that if you upgrade your video cameras they will scan the feed in real time and alert you of suspicious activity like known or highly suspected shoplifters coming into the store or being in the area. or if someone applies for a job they will scan the applicant's face and look to see where else he worked and the shrink levels before and after

there is your ROI

Re:Just a matter of time (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976409)

You could use these same arguments about the WiFi & GSM-based in-store tracking & MITM systems that are in use right now...those same factors didn't stop them.

Watch nobody care. (2, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974075)

Because they have nothing to hide.

Re:Watch nobody care. (1, Insightful)

nonameisgood2 (2661533) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974819)

If someone has nothing to hide, their life is not worth living.

Re:Watch nobody care. (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976197)

I agree entirely. But how are we to convince the rest of the population who take pride in the fact that they have nothing to hide from the government?

How's that "hope and change" doing? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974093)

Sorry, but you fucking idiots who voted for Hussein Obama are just getting what you deserve. When you elect someone who is friends with tyrants and terrorists, what do you expect to get but tyranny and terrorism? You want to fix this rediculos mess? VOTE ROMNEY for 2012.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974131)

Yes Romney would not at all be concerned with "state security" or anything like that

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974143)

Enjoy :)

http://www.ronpaulexaminer.com/mitt-romney-supports-the-ndaa-and-the-media-yawns/

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974315)

This just in, Ron Paul and his supporters now officially are on the side of socialist Hussein Obama over capitalist Mitt Romney.

Romney Ryan 2012, TAKE BACK AMERICA!

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (4, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974481)

Romney Ryan 2012, TAKE BACK AMERICA!

Romney Ryan 2012, Ensure the continuous oscillation between Democrat and Republican to the exclusion of all else.

If the answer is ever Republican or Democrat you oversimplified the question.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (1)

drooling-dog (189103) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974397)

Vote Romney... yeah that's a good one.

Unfortunately this shit is endemic to the system now. Unless somebody is elected on an explicit platform of reigning it in, I don't see any president from either party taking the risk of offending the security establishment. There is too much money in it, they can cause too many problems overtly and covertly, and if anything at all goes wrong everyone will be quick to blame the president who "let down our guard".

This would have been a serious scandal in the 1960s or 70s, but no generation since then has given a rat's ass.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (4, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974447)

American politics is hopelessly polarized between the two poles of democrat and republican, each pole ensuring the survival of the other. You need to change the system by voting for any credible third party.

Voting for any part of the democrat/republican alliance will not reduce the power of the democrat/republican alliance.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974651)

The hard part is that the 'alliance' has so much power, they manipulate any third party out of credibility so that no change can occur.

Any actual suggestions to get a third party into credibilty & voting status would be more helpful than pointing out the obvious.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974913)

The hard part is that the 'alliance' has so much power, they manipulate any third party out of credibility so that no change can occur.

Malcolm Reynolds for President!

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974939)

The thing is the problem isn't obvious to at least 50% of US voters, if it was it would not exist.

The only way to get any third party seriously considered is to let people know they do have a choice. If enough people believe they have that choice then sure enough the choice is real.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40976085)

Of course there is not real difference between the poles, it's a uniparty with two different faces dividing the populace for the benefit of the trust fund class

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976111)

You need to change the system by voting for any credible third party.

Here, allow me to point out what 3rd parties can get you. In Europe, they've allowed the rise of far-left national socialists who believe that that the second great purge of the 20th century needs to happen. In Greece the collapse of the centreist parties, has allowed this to happen as well. And the same in Italy and a few others.

Well, 3rd parties have their place. But saying voting for a credible 3rd party? The world doesn't always work that way. Sometimes, they're worse than a two party system.

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40976407)

Sometimes, they're worse than a two party system.

Are you on drugs? Or just thick?

Re:How's that "hope and change" doing? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974617)

Hope and Change ... in England?

How do I fix this rediculos mess with Romney?

Sales pitch? (3, Insightful)

PiMuNu (865592) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974121)

TFA indicates that this is part of a sales pitch. It's pretty weak evidence surely...

Re:Sales pitch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974207)

It's evidence surely...

FTFY
-ConspiracyTheorist42

Re:Sales pitch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975249)

Sorry Sir, but #42 was assigned to me. You are obviously an agent for an agency trying to assert its influence on the public opinion.

I bet you don't even know our secret song.

Shame on you.

Re:Sales pitch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40976621)

Actually you must have forgotten that we cloned you for operational reasons, and you both are #42. Now, back to your basement!

Reality Check + 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974211)

http://hongpong.com/archives/2012/08/12/breaking-feds-iircom-apparently-scrubbing-trapwire-related-websites-down-dns-not

Re:Reality Check + 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976459)

Nice website, it tells you it's a conspiracy nut site immediately with its header image before you even scroll down to see the article.

Fi8st (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974273)

which don't use the Smith only serve about 700 0sers marketing su8veys BSD fanatics? I've

Whose ass gets fired over this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974395)

"Burton also wrote that TrapWire is "in place at every [high-value target] in NYC, DC, Vegas, London, Ottawa and LA"."

OTTAWA - So a foreign privately owned spy agency is gathering real time intel in the capital of Canada.

This is OK with the Canadian Army,CSIS, RCMP, Parliament, Local Law Enforcement, Privacy Commissioner and Stephen Harper?

Everybody signed off on this? The Tripwire people have been fully vetted? They all have security clearances? Everybody is crystal clear on data retention and data RESALE policy? What type of encryption is used on this? Who is allowed to view this data? Can the Americans use this data to assassinate people on Canadian soil?

Re:Whose ass gets fired over this? (1)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about a year and a half ago | (#40974733)

To flog my favorite international relations hobbyhorse yet again: yes, yes we can. And if you don't like it, you can fund a big enough military to tip the balance of power back toward equality.

Call it the uranium rule: he who has the nuclear aircraft carriers makes the rules.

This isn't just in the UK, also in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974495)

More info on TrapWire
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20120811160515405

and the original Anonymous hack on Strafor that produced these emails:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/feb/27/wikileaks-publishes-stratfor-emails-anonymous

i09 has an article on TrapWire as well:
http://io9.com/5933966/wikileaks-reveals-trapwire-a-government-spy-network-that-uses-ordinary-surveillance-cameras

did you think they would stop with carnivore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974587)

did you think they would stop with carnivore and echelon?
NO really?
and as always we smash all we find.....you cant hide your spying from me.

Wikileaks Tor onion link & trapwire pastes (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40974875)

As wikileaks.org sustains a continuos DDoS attack of 10GB/sec some work around suggestions have been offered:

Tor Wikileaks onion - use Tor.
http://isax7s5yooqgelbr.onion/

Paste Links
http://privatepaste.com/942ba3fa3d/asdasdwqe
http://privatepaste.com/f9dd332518/weqwewqesada
207 emails below
http://dazzlepod.com/gifiles/search/?q=TrapWire
http://dazzlepod.com/gifiles/search/?q=TrapWire

MORE....

http://www.robtex.com/dns/trapwire.net.html#records

Regularly updated GIFiles
http://dazzlepod.com/gifiles/

Wikileaks node
http://wlcentral.org/node/2761

GIFiles
http://wl.wikileaks-press.org/gifiles/index.html

thanks to Diver Dan from RI and the AnonymousSpoon and m_cetera

Re:Wikileaks Tor onion link & trapwire pastes (1)

TheSalvation123 (2707285) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976015)

As wikileaks.org sustains a continuos DDoS attack of 10GB/sec some work around suggestions have been offered:

Tor Wikileaks onion - use Tor. http://isax7s5yooqgelbr.onion/ [isax7s5yooqgelbr.onion]

+1

Great Info. Please upvote to weed this out from the noise!

It's a trap (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975041)

really, it's a trap.

America, you have to ask you this: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975217)

Where on the scale from zero to Stalin (whose regime was the template for 1984) are you? Well, I'd say you're about 10 years from a fully fledge Hitler with SS Division Totenkopf, Hitler youth and all, and then it should be visible on the horizon.

Have fun, you brain dead blobs of retarded zombie drone scum!

They have a homepage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40975283)

http://www.trapwire.com/

The Telcos lawsuit dismissed and now this.... (1)

3seas (184403) | about a year and a half ago | (#40975767)

... wiretrap have little to do with catching terrorist but to spy on american attitudes and to do more against the american people.
With such information is is possible with a controlled media to then manipulate the people via the media. i.e. endless war drum banging for the invasion of Iraq.
Traffic cameras and their control centers are very capable of the likes of jamming up major city intersection (i.e. in Atlanta to bring all traffic can be brought to a standstill with nothing more than properly executed traffic signal timing. I know this from having experienced such delays with what amounted to nothing more than controlled traffic signals. This is the sort of thing terrorist or others to take over control of the people. The US government keeps changing important checks and balances that were created to prevent such tyrannical abuse..

Maybe its time to put the checks and balances back in place, instead of removing them.

Its not what such systems are claimed to be being created and used for but what they can actually be used for.

Shocking news! (2)

some old guy (674482) | about a year and a half ago | (#40976447)

Oh, my! Business and government are colluding to invade our privacy and control our behavior? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

Come on, people, do the messy details of who is collecting what and selling it to whom really matter any more?

The general population has amply demonstrated its complacency in matters of collective privacy loss and stellar-scale coercion. Its not a question of enough people knowing, its a matter of not enough people caring or daring to put up any meaningful resistance. The flies can conquer the fly paper if they are so inclined, but they're quite happy with just buzzing around their dung-piles and breeding more flies.

An occasional gang of berserk teenaged vandals inspired by a few indignant bloggers does not democracy, much less a revolution, make.

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