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Malaysia Stages Internet Blackout To Protest New Censorship Law

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the shut-down-everything dept.

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redletterdave writes "Malaysian netizens, opposition politicians, well-known bloggers and non-governmental organizations staged an Internet blackout Tuesday to protest and raise awareness about legislation that could threaten free expression on the Web. According to Malaysia's Centre for Independent Journalism (CIJ), the second of two amendments to the Malaysian Evidence Act of 1950, also known as Section 114A, 'enables law enforcement officials to swiftly hold someone accountable (PDF) for publishing seditious, defamatory, or libelous content online.' In addition, those accused of posting this kind of content will be 'assumed to be guilty until proven innocent,' which completely flies in the face of the typical logic of the traditional judicial process, which is 'innocent until proven guilty.' The CIJ warns that 'if allegedly defamatory content is traced back to your username, electronic device, and/or Wi-Fi network, Section 114A presumes you are guilty of publishing illicit content on the Internet.' The CIJ organized Tuesday's blackout, where participating sites blacked out their names and services with messages that read, 'This is what the Web could look like.'"

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First country that (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993455)

became a free harbor for information, will flourish in a very near future.

Re:First country that (3, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993499)

And it will look like Pearl Harbor did in 1941 if anybody tries.

So, how widespread was this blackout anyway? Did Google and Facebook and Microsoft join in?

Censorship (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993635)

Malaysia is an Islamic country

From Saudi Arabia to Malaysia to Iran to Bangladesh, we see a pattern --- Islamic countries aren't actually famous for their tolerance of free speech

But of course, not all countries that do not allow free speech are Islamic countries. North Korea and Cuba are not Islamic, but then, they are commies

I guess the commies are in bed with the Islamists on their quest to snuff out all free speech
 

Re:Censorship (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993767)

The UK apparently doesn't tolerate freedom of speech/press either. Just take a look at the earlier story about that guy who is getting four years in prison simply for posting text on his web site.

Re:Censorship (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993789)

America either for that matter. Nevermind that the navy plans to have ubiquitous flyover capability within the next 5 years. They'll watch you even in international waters. I'm sure you'll feel safe then.

Re:Censorship (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | more than 2 years ago | (#40997779)

a global force for good. as in, for good. here to stay. not going anywhere anytime soon.

Re:Censorship (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993801)

"Commies bad", eh. Sounds like you are drunk on kool-aid.

Re:Censorship (3, Insightful)

xenobyte (446878) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994007)

Troll alert...

Unless you have been living in a cave for the past 100 years you're wilfully ignoring facts... The communist countries wasted most of their money on preventing free speech and free thought, as well as free movement of its people. The rest was wasted on a stupid arms race they couldn't win. That was one of the primary reasons they failed.

For some reason Islamic countries are even more afraid of free speech, as well as free expression. The middle east almost melted down just because a local newspaper in the small country of Denmark (far, far away from the middle east) published some drawings of Muhammad. It's a very poor and insecure religion that fears open discussion about its premises and prophets, and this is usually due to real issues with these. I mean it is raised above any discussion that Muhammad was a pedophile when he married a 6-year old and consumated the marriage when she (Aisha) was 9 years old, but try mentioning this to a Muslim and you just might not survive the reaction.

Islam is a very violent religion, and any insult, no matter how insignificant, results in demands for blood, beheadings and worse, which of course explains the need for strong censorship in order to prevent roits and revolutions. But the issue is not the insults (which the censorship should prevent) but the mentality and reactions, and those are guided by the clergy (Imams). So they need to re-educate the Imams instead of imposing more censorship. That would solve many problems in addition to those relating to perceived insults, and open up for freedom of speech.

Re:Censorship (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994239)

Religion is violent. Sexuality in a religious context is invariably screwed up and is invariably about women... controlling, limiting, branding and especially blaming.

Get over it. To me, one religion is pretty much as stupid as another. But be thankful too. We have a lot to thank religion for in our human societies.

1. ...

Okay I may have to post more on that later.. I can't think of any at the moment.

Re:Censorship (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994273)

How about Buddhism? That's not nearly as stupid as other religions and is definitely not violent.

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994725)

How about Buddhism? That's not nearly as stupid as other religions and is definitely not violent.

Try telling that to the Tamil population of Sri Lanka.

Re:Censorship (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995055)

I would if I knew any. I know they had a civil war and the Tamil population were decimated, but I didn't know that Buddhism was a cause of that. After a quick reading of the Wikipedia page, it looks like several Buddhist temples were targeted and destroyed which is naturally going to upset people, but I don't think you can blame the conflict on Buddhism (not that I know much about that conflict).

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40995355)

See this article [foreignaffairs.com] for example. And Sri Lankan Buddhist violence is only the most recent example. Buddhist monks have traditionally been quite powerful all over East and South East Asia, and history is full of power struggles between them, with monks recruiting armies of followers to fight for their "cause".

Re:Censorship (2)

hawkinspeter (831501) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995481)

"Militant Buddhism" - now I've seen everything! I don't know how they can follow Buddhism whilst carrying out violence as I thought that non-violence is kind of their thing.

It amazes me that they can fight for the cause of non-attachment. It's like fighting for peace or screwing for virginity.

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40998201)

I realize that Chinese rule in Tibet is oppressive and offensive, but Tibet under the Buddhists was not much better.

Re:Censorship (2)

alexgieg (948359) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995265)

Sexuality in a religious context is invariably screwed up and is invariably about women... controlling, limiting, branding and especially blaming.

I remember reading a thesis saying it more of a cultural phenomenon ultimately targeted at children by way of the women. The idea was that in societies were you can trust mostly everyone else as individuals, women were (and are) freer because you can trust your neighbor or the guy from that other family to self control and not come make your wife pregnant for you. On the other hand, on those were another person's word to you is worth shit if his clan leader as much as sneezes and men have no self control, you restrict your wife (a single person), because there's no way you can restrict everyone else. Middle Eastern societies follow the later pattern, and hence women over there have no freedom, the religion (or lack thereof) of the involved of secondary concern, so much so things were basically the same before Islam, and among followers of other religions. On the other hand, many Western ones are of the individualized trusting kind, and in those women are freer or actually free, the religion (or lack thereof too) of the involved also of secondary concern.

In short: place any religion, or none, on a given cultural context, and it'll be speedily adapted to that cultural context. The reverse also happens, with the religion changing the cultural context, but this is a much subtler process, and if a certain cultural aspect of the society is very entrenched (such as the total lack of mutual trust between non-clan individuals), it might not yield at all.

Re:Censorship (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40997275)

Interesting. This fits with what I understand of people and cultures and of their willingness to bend religion to their beliefs rather than the other way around. (If God existed, he would be really pissed off about this... but since we're in his own image, he should have seen it coming!)

Your statements have been added to my collective position on these matters.

Re:Censorship (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004747)

I remember reading a thesis saying it more of a cultural phenomenon ultimately targeted at children by way of the women. The idea was that in societies were you can trust mostly everyone else as individuals, women were (and are) freer because you can trust your neighbor or the guy from that other family to self control and not come make your wife pregnant for you. On the other hand, on those were another person's word to you is worth shit if his clan leader as much as sneezes and men have no self control, you restrict your wife (a single person), because there's no way you can restrict everyone else.

 
I am a man. I am definitely not a card carrying member of the "Political Correct" movement, but even so, I have to say that the thesis you referred to, is full of shit
 
It does not matter what 'cultural phenomenon' one is in, the fact that male chauvinism thrives in some societies is because the male species there are chauvinists.

Human are human, no matter if that human originates from the Middle East or from Europe or from China or Africa.

Male chauvinism is everywhere - but is expressed in different degree - and in places like Europe, the male species there are not less male like - but rather, they use their BIG head rather than their little one to think

And in places like Pakistan or Middle East or in Malaysia - where the Muslim culture predominates - the religion of Islam has encouraged the male species to think with their little head - so much so that it is written in their so-called "holy book" that every single man is permitted to marry four (4) wives at any given time - which is to say, that little head can get to visit 4 different holes instead of one

And that's the gist of it

To say otherwise is to become an apologist of Islam
 

Re:Censorship (1)

alexgieg (948359) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008487)

...so much so that it is written in their so-called "holy book" that every single man is permitted to marry four (4) wives at any given time - which is to say, that little head can get to visit 4 different holes instead of one

It says so, but it also says you have to give a house and full pension to each one so that each can live as if she were your single wife, they all not being allowed to live together (harems were one of the common pre-Islamic practices Muhammad tried to abolish -- in which, as is the case in others, he was only partially successful: as the thesis proposes, culture wins). In practice then only very rich Muslims have more than one wife. The huge majority is monogamous, if for no other reason than that they simply don't have money for more than one wife.

By the way, I don't see a problem with apologizing for Islam. I do that from time to time, as I do for Christianity, Judaism and others, even though I myself am a pagan polytheist. It's fun! ;)

Re:Censorship (1)

Krojack (575051) | more than 2 years ago | (#40999347)

Religion is violent.

Not 100% true. Religions are what it's follows make it. Islam and Christianity use to be violent many many moons ago but so were non-religious people. Humans have evolved beyond that. Today Islam and Christianity are generally peaceful however each group has it's fare share of crazies that still want to live in the 9th century and will do whatever it takes to get that even if it means killing anyone that doesn't agree.

Also I am not a religious person yet I do believe in the a few of the christian ten commandments. They aren't all bad motto's to live by.

Re:Censorship (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006059)

Islam and Christianity use to be violent many many moons ago but so were non-religious people. Humans have evolved beyond that. Today Islam and Christianity are generally peaceful

 
Islam is "generally peaceful"?
 
  Bull farking shit !!
 
A religion that encourages its followers to kill people of other religion cannot be said to be peaceful. Not at all, not in my book !!
 

Re:Censorship (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994511)

All countries where the psychopaths in charge hide behind religion or enforced credo, hate free speech and persecute those that attempt it. This also extends to monarchical systems. Pointing out one religion over another is disingenuous and racist, well history has made it clear, as soon as politicians claim to the the interpreters of the 'national' religion abuse becomes rampant and in direct contradiction to the principles of the religion. Especially when then abuse takes on a core of sadistic sexual exploitation not only by those at the top but also by their core enforcers.

Christianity is only a less violent religion because it was forced to be one due to rebellion from within and breakdown of the religion into multiple sub-sects to break up the power of those exploiting the religion for their own purposes.

A prime example of current abuse of religion is by Paul Ryan who for years exposed the atheistic beliefs of Ayn Rand and objectivism which denigrates all Christian principles. Paul Ryan did this while claiming to be a devout Catholic a direct and blatant contradiction but one that does adhere to the principles of objectivism ie. it is acceptable to lie for personal advantage and whilst all religions are nonsense and for the weak and parasites, it is sound and acceptable to pretend to adhere to a religion if one gains personal advantage by doing so.

It is not the religion and never has been, it is it's pretend adherents who abuse religion for their own political, greed and lust based advantage basically the credo of Ayn Rand and Objectivism.

Re:Censorship (2)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995239)

It is not the religion and never has been, it is it's pretend adherents who abuse religion for their own political, greed and lust based advantage basically the credo of Ayn Rand and Objectivism.

I agree with the rest of your post, but this reeks of the No True Scotsman fallacy. I don't want to pick on religion here, so I'll use the word "ideology" to group together religions, political movements and philosophies.

While ideology can indeed be vehicles for a despot's agenda, it does not follow that "true belief" can't lead to pretty terrible results! If we look at terrorists, are none of them driven by ideology? Are all Islamic terrorists not true believers, or perhaps they're abusing their religion or misinterpreting it? No, that's nonsense. Obviously some are using religion as a vehicle for another agenda, such as the various paramilitaries in Northern Ireland who seem to spend more time engaging in petty disputes and crime than in their stated mission. How about central American Marxist extremists who take to the jungle, to fight the government, and kidnap women for rape? I don't blame Marxism for that, but I do blame Islam when I see people doing what its holy books tell them to do. Are misogyny and homophobia abuse of Christianity? No, because it's a supportable interpretation of Biblical texts, and I blame Christianity when its used to defend such appalling stances.

Contradiction is part and parcel of most ideologies - Paul Ryan is not unusual. How is it that many Christians lead lives of luxury, contrary to the example set by Jesus and his disciples? It'd be reasonable to argue that amassing wealth and possessions is just as contradictory to the teachings of Jesus as objectivism is. Why do women play such an important role in the ministry of Jesus, and in the early church, yet later-on are shoved back in to the kitchen? Why are the majority of Catholic women using birth control? Why are some protestant denominations allowing homosexuals to minister, and why does any Christian church permit women to minister to men? Why does extreme socialism tend to resemble feudalism? To finish on an amusing note, how does the claimed rationalism egoism of Objectivism jibe with the "monkey see monkey do" behaviour of some of her followers, and how does its disdain for statism marry-up with Rand ruling the cult of Objectivism like a mad monarch?

Re:Censorship (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#40998919)

Never confuse the leaders with the followers, the fallacy is yours if you consider them to be the same species. Psychopaths as the leaders, narcissist as the followers and the rest of use as the victims. There is also nothing as absurb as, ohhh my, right wing nut burger or what, 'Extreme Socialism', sure some groups have made use the name socialism but they certainly didn't adhere to it's tenets and as such weren't socialists pretty much the same as GOP and Christianity (they just use it for the votes and to generate cash, the ones at the top, not a believer amongst them) , really funny B$ though, 'Extreme Socialism' you really cracked me up with that one. You're really way out there aren't you.

Re:Censorship (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 2 years ago | (#40999917)

Which fallacy is mine? You've a pretty clear no true Scotsman there, and a strawman in the way you characterize all leaders as being just in it for the power and money. Do you accept some of these "leaders" actually hold the beliefs they purport to hold? Sure beliefs tend to dovetail nicely with personal wishes, needs and psychoses, and the same is true of "followers". The world is far for nuanced than you think it to be. Maybe L Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith, who almost certainly began as conscious frauds, themselves became "followers" of their own crazy schemes. Power and constant reinforcement from followers does odd things to a mind.

Another issue is that you've set yourself up as the arbiter of definitions for ideologies that are quite varied. Both Fred Phelps and my girlfriend are Christians. Her liberal Christianity is more in the tradition practiced by the majority in the west, while the craziness of Phelps is grounded in Calvinism. Is Phelps a wanker? Yes. Is he a Christian? Yes, and his positions are very well supported by scripture.

Re:Censorship (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | more than 2 years ago | (#40998003)

religion is a synonym for cognitive dissonance. you cannot believe in a religion, any religion, without holding contradicting beliefs. islamic jihad is one example in muslim beliefs where they can't figure out if they're here to wipe everyone out or be compassionate. obviously it's more fun to wipe everyone out, and conveniently lets god sort them out. blame absolved, good to go.

on a side note, i don't get the 72 virgin thing either. you die, you're in an eternal afterlife, and you get 72 chicks with zero sexual experience. ok, assume my culture has instilled a fetish for virgin sex. it's eternity and there's only 72 of them. how soon until you run through them all and your virgin count is down to zero? sounds like a ripoff to me. are they even hot? just a little bit cute, even?

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40999285)

Islam acknowledge the right of speech and expression. But it does speak strongly against spreading of lies, slander, backbiting (and other negative form of speech). With right comes with responsibilities and with choice comes consequences. Instead of freedom of speech, Islam advocate the right of speech (and the associated responsibility)...

There are 1 Billion+ Muslims so it is not surprising to have a number of them who are insecure, close minded, etc. But you will find quite a number who are not that way too. As for the juvenile cartoons you mentioned - come on, that is just provoking a reaction. It is not even funny.

The topic of prophet Muhammad marriage is well known to us. Culture evolve over time and this was 1400+ years ago. The Arab / Jews people opposes him on a lot of things when he preaches the message of Islam but we did not hear them criticize him on his marriage back then. Think about that. What is viewed as the norms often changed based on time and situation. There is more but to cut short...

The legislation is not primarily about free speech, it is about the government presuming you to be guilty first - which is clearly not correct. And the people who opposes it in Malaysia are made of Muslims too..

And I think you need to learn more about the topic (e.g. Islam) before making statement of sweeping generalization. There are violent Muslims - as in any other group and we are ashamed of it. And Islam acknowledges the reality of war - as other harsh realities of life (e.g. poverty, crime, divorce). But to say that Islam is a very violent religion (or teaches violence) is grossly inaccurate. Assalamua'laikum (Peace be upon you).

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005743)

I figure Islam as a Religion is about 1400 years old. Look at Christianity in the 1400's just about as violent and oppressive if not more so. Look at the death tole from the crusades, internally Mary the 1st of England had close to 400 people burned at the stake for being protestant, the Spanish inquisition netted a few thousands deaths. I think we should all be grateful that Europe of the 1400 and 1500's didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
While I think it's interesting that both Christianity and Islam managed to hit a violent phase after roughly the same length of time, I think the real cause is power hungry people exploiting what ever they can, to hold power.

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005983)

Violent teacher produce violent student. The religion itself is not violent.

Re:Censorship (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994179)

Turkey is an Islamic country too. They don't have this problem. The problem isn't Islam. It's the jackasses who use Islam as an excuse. That said, we see the same crap in the US on a lesser scale you know. "Blue laws"? Religious crap getting in my way at every turn as far as I'm concerned.

And you don't have to be in a Muslim country to have your free speech threatened either.

It's easy to want to blame a particular religion especially when they speak a non-English language, often have non-white faces, and wear strange clothes. I actually tend to want to do that myself. The reality, though, is much different. There are probably more versions of Islam practiced than there are versions of Christianity. It's all the same crap when you break it down... if an interpretation doesn't agree with you, change it... fork it if you will.

I'm with you in that religion is to blame for a lot of broken thought and a lot of inhumanity. But at its core is humans... doing inhuman things.

Re:Censorship (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994213)

Turkey is an Islamic country too. They don't have this problem. The problem isn't Islam. It's the jackasses who use Islam as an excuse.

Uh. You might want to pay a bit more attention to the world, back in 2008, when the Islamist's started rising to power [wikipedia.org] they amended a bunch of stuff restricting free speech, and a bunch of other things. Hey guess what, you remember Egypt? Wanna guess what's happening there, or do I need to spell it out for you as the Islamists are rising to power there. Goodbye freedoms.

You can believe what you want, but the last time I looked. If someone took a glass filled it with piss and dumped a cruifix in it(let's not forget that it's already been an art exhibit too). You'll get some disgusted looks here in the west, and you'll probably get some people protesting you. Now you try that with a Koran, I'll bet you'll get your first death threat inside of 10minutes, and have your first riot inside an hour. And of course, you'll probably need to go into hiding. That's much more serious than say, oh ... drawing a cartoon.

Re:Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40995069)

If you live in a village in the Bible Belt or Bavaria you might as well vanish, too.

Re:Censorship (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995985)

That's because Westerners...are infidels. But if you insult some sort of conservative values on the one side, or "political correctness" on the other, there are extreme reactions.

Re:Censorship (1)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994441)

Turkey is listed as an internet censoring country by OpenNet Initiative and is 'under surveillance' from Reporters Without Borders. Citation provided [wikipedia.org] . Islam may not be the only jackass ideology that promotes censorship but it certainly is a major one.

Re:Censorship (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#41002479)

Turkey is an Islamic country too. They don't have this problem.

Turkey is not an Islamic country. They are a majority Muslim secular country. And it kinda took a lot of effort [wikipedia.org] to make it that way - and it still requires a military coup d'etat every now and then to keep Islamist parties in check.

So, yes, it's possible to have moderate forms of Islam that do not restrict human rights. However, they are fairly maintenance-heavy. Islam has not yet evolved into the kind of toothless religion that Christianity had over the last couple centuries. They're only having their Reformation now (Salafi), and remember that initially this mainly manifested in more witch burnings, not fewer.

Re:Censorship (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003085)

Yeah I guess you might be right. When there are more middle class muslims they will have a lot more to lose if they get all radical and so will have to reconsider any extremist positions. And that's the real key to peace isn't it? Let people have at least enough stuff so that they will behave better for fear of losing it?

Re:Censorship (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003283)

Yes, but you don't get a solid middle class simply by throwing money at people. It's a cultural change as much as it is an economic one, and it takes pretty harsh measures to implement it quickly. In Turkey, it took 15 years of dictatorship that pretty much forced secularization and westernization on the unwilling populace.

Re:Censorship (1)

parkinglot777 (2563877) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995777)

It depends on how you define "free speech." Many people in America think that its definition is to say or express "whatever" they want. Well, it is a two-edged sword because there is always a consequence of an action whether or not it is significant. Too many people do not realize that and over do the what you call "free speech."

In Thailand, saying anything bad or insult the royal family in public could easily open the door to their jail. Is the action a free speech? Yes, but it is not acceptable because of their culture. Is it good? Somewhat. Is it bad? Also somewhat.

Therefore, you need to understand the root of the culture of where you are looking at. The culture could be very different from yours, and that should at least make you ponder before you throw out your opinion. Remember, you can't simply take back what you said because the damage might have already been done once you said it.

Re:Censorship (1)

tqk (413719) | more than 2 years ago | (#40997771)

Remember, you can't simply take back what you said because the damage might have already been done once you said it.

Here in The West, we've somewhat of an axiom: "'Tis better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm the fact."

Speech doesn't cause damage of any kind to anything. Children often say foolish things, yet we discount their foolishness understanding they just don't know. How is it that the Thai royal family, or Islam ..., can't just discount insults against them as simple ignorance to be ignored, instead of throwing the perp into jail or calling for Jihad?

They're just other forms of insecure tyrants. They believe at bottom that their ideas can't really stand on their own merits so they impose control instead.

The murderers of Danish cartoonists should be shot on sight as the vermin they are. The world doesn't need their sort.

Re:First country that (1)

shoemilk (1008173) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993587)

I love laws like this! What happens when the Prime Minister's account posts "Yer teh G4yz!" all over the place? Why must people who make laws be so stupid and ignorant of anything technological?

Re:First country that (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993637)

Nothing will happen to them if that is what you are thinking.
Nope, instead they will find who really did it by investing resources into it.
But the average citizen, well... good luck.

Re:First country that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993781)

In Malaysia, allegations of homosexuality are normal coming from the Prime Minister's office (directed towards the leader of the opposition). So it would be business as usual.

Re:First country that (1)

kpainter (901021) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993911)

"Yer teh fuct"

Not unlike Linux fans (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993853)

Linux users are just as bad at censorship when it comes to facts they don't like. They will relentlessly attack and lie to try to censor people like me.

They're busted altering data I posted days ago with this -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40890277 [slashdot.org] when I posted the original DAYS ago, here -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org] which they couldn't handle or disprove, and they downmodded it and began a campaign of trying to "smear"/discredit me.

If you take a look at the 1st link above, you'll see what I mean...

* You Linux trolls are unbelievable!

APK

P.S.=> Stupid trolls are only doing this to themselves, & got caught in the act by screwing up trying to impersonate me yet again (not a first), and then altering data from a post I did days before leading users to bogus data from goatse.cx etc./et al (puny troll tricks)... apk

Re:Not unlike Linux fans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993937)

Oh, poor you. I'm sure your experience is directly equatable to government oppression that affects millions and that carries penalties of incarceration and execution.

Re:Not unlike APK (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994037)

APK is just as bad at censorship when it comes to facts he don't like. He will relentlessly attack and lie to try to censor people like himself.

He's busted altering data he posted days ago with this -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40890277 [slashdot.org] when he posted the original DAYS ago, here -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40867985 [slashdot.org] which nobody could be bothered replying to, so he downmodded it and began a campaign of trying to "smear"/discredit himself.

If you take a look at the 1st link above, you'll see what I mean...

* APK is unbelievable!

APK

P.S.=> Stupid APK is only doing this to himself, & got caught in the act by screwing up trying to impersonate himself yet again (not a first), and then altering data from a post he did days before leading users to bogus data from goatse.cx etc./et al (puny troll tricks)... apk

Linux trolls caught impersonating apk, yet again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40996417)

They've sunk to new lows and are sinking their own ship, just like before http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3024445&cid=40887471 [slashdot.org]

Re:Not unlike Linux fans (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994289)

apk is a gay troll and a ballmer cocksucker, and he does an excellent job at discrediting himself

apk is just a dumb shit douche bag stuck using windoze, and he likes spreading false information and claims it as being true even though he's completely ignorant that nobody takes it seriously because nobody but apk is that stupid, ignorant and gullible

buttgoip

Re:Not unlike Linux fans (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40996397)

See here, lmao -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3033483&cid=40941721 [slashdot.org]

* I really MUST ask - QUESTION: How do your words taste, spiced with the "bitter taste of self defeat" plus 'flavored', lol, with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH?

APK

P.S.=> You know, I should do a count of how MANY TIMES you've had to "maintain that 'steady dieit'" , lmao, of eating YOUR OWN WORDS in this thread alone!

Hey, let alone all week now too - What-with you afterwards impersonating me in other threads like a petulant child (you blew it on the Baylor data altering my original when you tried impersonating me here http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026917&cid=40890277 [slashdot.org] & I caught IN the act doing it because of your mistake on Baylor data & more tech errors ), spewing drivel like you have now, being dead-wrong in your statements on the topic material which I had to 'spank' you on, noob...

Which occurs from you, everytime predictably, right after I blow you away with documented, concrete, & verifiable actual information from "the horses mouth" in OpenGL's documentation itself (& on other topics in computing when you tried it this week many times now)

Please - get over your "geek angst" already & accept 1 thing (and, you know of course, I've just GOTTA say it):

This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" - you made it so for me with your horrendous trolling blunders noted above... lol!

... apk

Re:First country that (1)

Errol backfiring (1280012) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995313)

Well, it may be a bit like the Netherlands. The Netherlands (for more than a decade) had no patent laws and did just fine. In fact, this was the time when companies like Philips and Unilever were started. Alas, international pressure bullied the laws back in. So yes, I expect it to flourish, but not for very long.

It's political. Period. (4, Insightful)

el_flynn (1279) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993489)

This is nothing more than political maneouvering [nst.com.my] by the ruling government.

It's been done before, and will continue to be done. Especially because a General Election is coming up. If you read that link I posted, it was reported that the Malaysian prime minister said "Whatever we do, we must put people first,". If that were truly the case, why wasn't that position taken in the first place before the law was passed?

Basically:
1. Pass draconian law
2. Wait for public outcry
3. Repeal draconian law
4. Look like a hero
5. Profit!

Re:It's political. Period. (2)

theRunicBard (2662581) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993517)

You don't know your memes. It goes Something Something ????? Profit! You make it sound like they know what they're doing.

Re:It's political. Period. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993537)

Exactly. They know what they're doing.

Re:It's political. Period. (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993715)

It's been done before, and will continue to be done. Especially because a General Election is coming up. If you read that link I posted, it was reported that the Malaysian prime minister said "Whatever we do, we must put people first,". If that were truly the case, why wasn't that position taken in the first place before the law was passed?

Basically:
1. Pass draconian law
2. Wait for public outcry
3. Repeal draconian law
4. Look like a hero
5. Profit!

I'd say a lot of "democratic" countries are really false-democratic - if you really looked at how they operated, it's between authoritarian and dictatorship.

There are "elections" and people can "vote", however, if the vote strays too far to the "wrong" things ... happen. And yes, people are forced to vote, and it's probably fully auditable and all that.

Malaysia is probably the perfect scenario for this. I remember many years ago the Opposition was actually getting pretty strong and popular, so what happened? The leader got arrested on "sodomy" charges and "semen on mattress" evidence. So far, the case is "ongoing" (and I think I observed this over a decade ago). I think at one point the charges got "dropped" after he was too weak to continue the trial. End result - the official government wins because the voters couldn't really vote for a party whose leader was in jail, and is now too weak to reorganize and regroup the opposition party, so the official government party gets free reign.

A law like this can be easily passed - all the government has to do is show lots of evidence that the law is good, and basically hush and discredit those who oppose it. If it gets any traction, just jail the leader on questionable charges.

Re:It's political. Period. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994257)

What you mentioned was Sodomy I back in the late 90's. The semen was probably planted evidence as the DNA sample of the ex-Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) was tempered by a police officer (jude Pereira). The mattress which was ceremoniously brought into court daily was eventually expunged as evidence and Anwar was eventually cleared off any sodomy charge, but was convicted for obstructing justice.

Sodomy II the sequel took place recently with the accuser, Saiful an Anwar ex-aide, going to PM Najib Razak's office days before the alleged event took place. He apparently did not defecate for a few days so that DNA can be extracted, which the government lab miraculously found them to be in pristine condition. And to add to the insult, the government hospital doctor who examined Saiful, did not find any trace of forced anal penetration. The judge who initially forced the case to be heard in court, stating that Saiful was a credible witness, eventually had a change of heart when he realised that the regime is facing a demise, and acquitted Anwar.

You might just get to see this in the cinemas, say 5 years from now.

Re:It's political. Period. (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993717)

This is nothing more than political maneouvering by the ruling government.

It's been done before, and will continue to be done. Especially because a General Election is coming up. If you read that link I posted, it was reported that the Malaysian prime minister said "Whatever we do, we must put people first,". If that were truly the case, why wasn't that position taken in the first place before the law was passed?

Basically:
1. Pass draconian law
2. Wait for public outcry
3. Repeal draconian law
4. Look like a hero
5. Profit!

 
That regime that controls Malaysia for 55 years can do that, time and time again, simply because the average IQ of the Malaysians - especially that of the majority Malays - is below 75
 
If you follow the following links, you will understand how easy it is to manipulate the majority Muslim Malays -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism#Malaysian_institutional_racism [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_head_protests [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_attacks_against_places_of_worship_in_Malaysia [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shaariibuugiin_Altantuyaa [wikipedia.org]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt5qR98-jE8 [youtube.com]

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Scorpenes-Sting-Liberation-Publishes-Expose-re-Malaysias-Bribery-Murder-Scandal-05347/ [defenseindustrydaily.com]

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/20091224.aspx [strategypage.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBIgmdMNE7Q [youtube.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lalang [wikipedia.org]
 

Re:It's political. Period. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994033)

The original plan was to give the government teeth to frame and persecute the opposition and the liberal minded citizens, during the coming General Election (GE). They have cybertroopers that are paid to plant seditious remarks on anti-government/independent newspapers, blogs, websites, etc. and then wield the law to arrest them.

However, the GE was postponed for the umpteenth time thanks to the never ending scandal exposes. And this gave the people time to launch the campaign to repeal this draconian law.

Posted anonymously as I can be arrested under this law.

fuc dat (1)

laserdog (2500192) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993539)

ya da cops n da gov dont control no the internet the goverment there is ran by a bunch of noobs if their dumb enough 2 pass this law

oh this one is too easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993631)

......

0 surreptitiously post defamatory content in the names/ip addresses for all the members of malaysian parliment.
1 ???
2 profit

Re:oh this one is too easy (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993817)

......

0 surreptitiously post defamatory content in the names/ip addresses for all the members of malaysian parliment.
1 ???
2 profit

 
Oh, the regime that controlled Malaysia for the past 55 years already have a ready-made solution for that

They will create a race-riot, then declare martial law, then dissolve the entire elected parliament

They had done that before - in 1969

Read the following - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_May_incident [wikipedia.org]
 

Re:oh this one is too easy (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994075)

They will create a race-riot, then declare martial law, then dissolve the entire elected parliament

No need to create a race-riot. Already happening, via Muslim religious extremists and the current government is bending over backwards to appease them in order to avoid race riots. In turn, the Buddhists have been doing things like setting themselves on fire to protest the fact that they're being murdered in the streets. If anything, the muslims have been ratcheting it up, and blaming them for just about anything you can think of.

Heck, they've been banning books for awhile to stop from offending the muslims and their sensitivities especially in relation to their religion. Why not ban the internet while they're at it? Well it's not as bad as Burma yet where they're blaming the Buddhists for 'fake mass murders' but it's getting close.

Re:oh this one is too easy (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994747)

In turn, the Buddhists have been doing things like setting themselves on fire to protest

The guy who set himself on fire near the PM's office a few weeks ago was from some extremist Islamic cult, not Buddhist, if that's what you're referring to.

Government & Stealth Malware (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40993643)

Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care - Government & Stealth Malware

In Response To Slashdot Article: Former Pentagon Analyst: China Has Backdoors To 80% of Telecoms 87

How many rootkits does the US[2] use officially or unofficially?

How much of the free but proprietary software in the US spies on you?

Which software would that be?

Visit any of the top freeware sites in the US, count the number of thousands or millions of downloads of free but proprietary software, much of it works, again on a proprietary Operating System, with files stored or in transit.

How many free but proprietary programs have you downloaded and scanned entire hard drives, flash drives, and other media? Do you realize you are giving these types of proprietary programs complete access to all of your computer's files on the basis of faith alone?

If you are an atheist, the comparison is that you believe in code you cannot see to detect and contain malware on the basis of faith! So you do believe in something invisible to you, don't you?

I'm now going to touch on a subject most anti-malware, commercial or free, developers will DELETE on most of their forums or mailing lists:

APT malware infecting and remaining in BIOS, on PCI and AGP devices, in firmware, your router (many routers are forced to place backdoors in their firmware for their government) your NIC, and many other devices.

Where are the commercial or free anti-malware organizations and individual's products which hash and compare in the cloud and scan for malware for these vectors? If you post on mailing lists or forums of most anti-malware organizations about this threat, one of the following actions will apply: your post will be deleted and/or moved to a hard to find or 'deleted/junk posts' forum section, someone or a team of individuals will mock you in various forms 'tin foil hat', 'conspiracy nut', and my favorite, 'where is the proof of these infections?' One only needs to search Google for these threats and they will open your malware world view to a much larger arena of malware on devices not scanned/supported by the scanners from these freeware sites. This point assumed you're using the proprietary Microsoft Windows OS. Now, let's move on to Linux.

The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux. None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either! Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular websites and the dark/deep web.

Compromised defenders of Linux will look down their nose at you (unless they are into reverse engineering malware/bad binaries, Google for this and Linux and begin a valuable education!) and respond with a similar tone, if they don't call you a noob or point to verifying/downloading packages in a signed repo/original/secure source or checking hashes, they will jump to conspiracy type labels, ignore you, lock and/or shuffle the thread, or otherwise lead you astray from learning how to examine bad binaries. The world of Linux is funny in this way, and I've been a part of it for many years. The majority of Linux users, like the Windows users, will go out of their way to lead you and say anything other than pointing you to information readily available on detailed binary file analysis.

Don't let them get you down, the information is plenty and out there, some from some well known publishers of Linux/Unix books. Search, learn, and share the information on detecting and picking through bad binaries. But this still will not touch the void of the APT malware described above which will survive any wipe of r/w media. I'm convinced, on both *nix and Windows, these pieces of APT malware are government in origin. Maybe not from the US, but most of the 'curious' malware I've come across in poisoned binaries, were written by someone with a good knowledge in English, some, I found, functioned similar to the now well known Flame malware. From my experience, either many forum/mailing list mods and malware developers/defenders are 'on the take', compromised themselves, and/or working for a government entity.

Search enough, and you'll arrive at some lone individuals who cry out their system is compromised and nothing in their attempts can shake it of some 'strange infection'. These posts receive the same behavior as I said above, but often they are lone posts which receive no answer at all, AT ALL! While other posts are quickly and kindly replied to and the 'strange infection' posts are left to age and end up in a lost pile of old threads.

If you're persistent, the usual challenge is to, "prove it or STFU" and if the thread is not attacked or locked/shuffled and you're lucky to reference some actual data, they will usually attack or ridicule you and further drive the discussion away from actual proof of APT infections.

The market is ripe for an ambitious company or individual to begin demanding companies and organizations who release firmware and design hardware to release signed and hashed packages and pour this information into the cloud, so everyone's BIOS is checked, all firmware on routers, NICs, and other devices are checked, and malware identified and knowledge reported and shared openly.

But even this will do nothing to stop backdoored firmware (often on commercial routers and other networked devices of real importance for government use - which again opens the possibility of hackers discovering these backdoors) people continue to use instead of refusing to buy hardware with proprietary firmware/software.

Many people will say, "the only safe computer is the one disconnected from any network, wireless, wired, LAN, internet, intranet" but I have seen and you can search yourself for and read about satellite, RF, temperature, TEMPEST (is it illegal in your part of the world to SHIELD your system against some of these APT attacks, especially TEMPEST? And no, it's not simply a CRT issue), power line and many other attacks which can and do strike computers which have no active network connection, some which have never had any network connection. Some individuals have complained they receive APT attacks throughout their disconnected systems and they are ridiculed and labeled as a nutter. The information exists, some people have gone so far as to scream from the rooftops online about it, but they are nutters who must have some serious problems and this technology with our systems could not be possible.

I believe most modern computer hardware is more powerful than many of us imagine, and a lot of these systems swept from above via satellite and other attacks. Some exploits take advantage of packet radio and some of your proprietary hardware. Some exploits piggyback and unless you really know what you're doing, and even then... you won't notice it.

Back to the Windows users, a lot of them will dismiss any strange activity to, "that's just Windows!" and ignore it or format again and again only to see the same APT infected activity continue. Using older versions of sysinternals, I've observed very bizarre behavior on a few non networked systems, a mysterious chat program running which doesn't exist on the system, all communication methods monitored (bluetooth, your hard/software modems, and more), disk mirroring software running[1], scans running on different but specific file types, command line versions of popular Windows freeware installed on the system rather than the use of the graphical component, and more.

[1] In one anonymous post on pastebin, claiming to be from an intel org, it blasted the group Anonymous, with a bunch of threats and information, including that their systems are all mirrored in some remote location anyway.

[2] Or other government, US used in this case due to the article source and speculation vs. China. This is not to defend China, which is one messed up hell hole on several levels and we all need to push for human rights and freedom for China's people. For other, freer countries, however, the concentration camps exist but you wouldn't notice them, they originate from media, mostly your TV, and you don't even know it. As George Carlin railed about "Our Owners", "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

[3] http://www.stallman.org/ [stallman.org]

Try this yourself on a wide variety of internet forums and mailing lists, push for malware scanners to scan more than files, but firmware/BIOS. See what happens, I can guarantee it won't be pleasant, especially with APT cases.

So scan away, or blissfully ignore it, but we need more people like RMS[3] in the world. Such individuals tend to be eccentric but their words ring true and clear about electronics and freedom.

I believe we're mostly pwned, whether we would like to admit it or not, blind and pwned, yet fiercely holding to misinformation, often due to lack of self discovery and education, and "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

##

Schneier has covered it before: power line fluctuations (differences on the wire in keys pressed).

There's thermal attacks against cpus and temp, also:

ENF (google it)

A treat (ENF Collector in Java):

sourceforge dot net fwdslash projects fwdslash nfienfcollector

No single antimalware scanner exists which offers the ability to scan (mostly proprietary) firmware on AGP/PCI devices (sound cards, graphics cards, usb novelty devices excluding thumb drives), BIOS/CMOS.

If you boot into ultimate boot cd you can use an archane text interface to dump BIOS/CMOS and examine/checksum.

The real attacks which survive disk formats and wipes target your PCI devices and any firmware which may be altered/overwritten with something special. It is not enough to scan your hard drive(s) and thumb drives, the real dangers with teeth infect your hardware devices.

When is the last time you:

Audited your sound card for malware?
Audited your graphics card for malware?
Audited your network card for malware?

Google for:

* AGP and PCI rootkit(s)
* Network card rootkit(s)
* BIOS/CMOS rootkit(s)

Our modern PC hardware is capable of much more than many can imagine.

Do you:

* Know your router's firmware may easily be replaced on a hacker's whim?
* Shield all cables against leakage and attacks
* Still use an old CRT monitor and beg for TEMPEST attacks?
* Use TEMPEST resistant fonts in all of your applications including your OS?
* Know whether or not your wired keyboard has keypresses encrypted as they pass to your PC from the keyboard?
* Use your PC on the grid and expose yourself to possible keypress attacks?
* Know your network card is VERY exploitable when plugged into the net and attacked by a hard core blackhat or any vicious geek with the know how?
* Search out informative papers on these subjects and educate your friends and family about these attacks?
* Contact antimalware companies and urge them to protect against many or all these attacks?

Do you trust your neighbors? Are they all really stupid when it comes to computing or is there a geek or two without a conscience looking to exploit these areas?

The overlooked threat are the potential civilian rogues stationed around you, especially in large apartment blocks who feed on unsecured wifi to do their dirty work.

With the recent news of Russian spies, whether or not this news was real or a psyop, educate yourself on the present threats which all antimalware scanners fail to protect against and remove any smug mask you may wear, be it Linux or OpenBSD, or the proprietary Windows and Mac OS you feel are properly secured and not vulnerable to any outside attacks because you either don't need an antivirus scanner (all are inept to serious attacks) or use one or several (many being proprietary mystery machines sending data to and from your machine for many reasons, one is to share your information with a group or set database to help aid in threats), the threats often come in mysterious ways.

Maybe the ancients had it right: stone tablets and their own unique language(s) rooted in symbolism.

#

I'm more concerned about new rootkits which target PCI devices, such as the graphics card and the optical drives, also, BIOS. Where are the malware scanners which scan PCI devices and BIOS for mismatches? All firmware, BIOS and on PCI devices should be checksummed and saved to match with others in the cloud, and archived when the computer is first used, backing up signed firmware.

When do you recall seeing signed router firmware upgrades with any type of checksum to check against? Same for PCI devices and optical drives and BIOS.

Some have begun with BIOS security:

http://www.biosbits.org/ [biosbits.org]

Some BIOS has write protection in its configuration, a lot of newer computers don't.

#

"Disconnect your PC from the internet and don't add anything you didn't create yourself. It worked for the NOC list machine in Mission Impossible"

The room/structure was likely heavily shielded, whereas most civvies don't shield their house and computer rooms. There is more than meets the eye to modern hardware.

Google:

subversion hack:
tagmeme(dot)com/subhack/

network card rootkits and trojans
pci rootkits
packet radio
xmit "fm fingerprinting" software
"specific emitter identification"
forums(dot)qrz(dot)com

how many malware scanners scan bios/cmos and pci/agp cards for malware? zero, even the rootkit scanners. have you checksummed/dumped your bios/cmos and firmware for all your pci/agp devices and usb devices, esp vanity usb devices in and outside the realm of common usb devices (thumbdrives, external hdds, printers),

Unless your computer room is shielded properly, the computers may still be attacked and used, I've personally inspected computers with no network connection running mysterious code in the background which task manager for windows and the eqiv for *nix does not find, and this didn't find it all.

Inspect your windows boot partition in *nix with hexdump and look for proxy packages mentioned along with command line burning programs and other oddities. Computers are more vulnerable than most would expect.

You can bet all of the malware scanners today, unless they are developed by some lone indy coder in a remote country, employ whitelisting of certain malware and none of them scan HARDWARE devices apart from the common usb devices.

Your network cards, sound cards, cd/dvd drives, graphics cards, all are capable of carrying malware to survive disk formatting/wiping.

Boot from a Linux live cd and use hexdump to examine your windows (and *nix) boot sectors to potentially discover interesting modifications by an unknown party.

#
eof

Re:Government & Stealth Malware (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994349)

your post is malware... it took over my whole screen! i better install "Get Rid Of Useless And Really Long Post On Slashdot By Moron Who Has Oral Sex With APK _Special Malware Infected Edition Because I Dont Give A Shit.exe"

sounds good (1)

Right1488 (2614067) | more than 2 years ago | (#40993839)

I'd rather they stay off the internet anyway

Not so different than the unwritten policy at /. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40994083)

This forum smugly pretends to be above it all, yet is one of the worst offenders of censorship that I've seen.
The moderation is policy is hardly followed when it comes to dealing with "spam" that involves criticism of /.
editorial. In fact there is are no hard & transparent rules when it comes to a few privileged moderators who
have no names.

E.g. throttling of IP's which originate a couple of perfectly valid criticisms, as well as
throttling of replies to these criticisms. The nature of the throttling is such as to discourage posts due to one
not knowing for sure when the throttle will be removed & thus giving up or timing out. I've also witnessed
posts deleted and then put back in place once an article has cooled.

These behaviors are not difficult to provoke & are not exceptional.

Re:Not so different than the unwritten policy at / (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40995121)

yeah I can relate the malaysians because when I tried to post an argument about bitcoin I had to wait 4 mins.

Re:Not so different than the unwritten policy at / (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41002967)

Would be quite simple for editorial to be transparent about 99.9% of their policy rather than just the 95% which doesn't effect their abuse. The reason they aren't is the same reason why all schmucks hide stuff. It gives them (as opposed to everyone) more freedom & control. A forum is owned by everyone who creates it, & the controls should reflect this.

Hardly matters so much on /., except that an opportunity to reduce the essences of societies ills, & provide an alternative example is lost.

Re:Not so different than the unwritten policy at / (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003059)

the malaysian goons didn't get their training at the top of the corruption heap. you're entirely missing the significance of principles, intelligence, integrity, honesty etc. at all levels of society. you are also demonstrating your ignorance of such dynamical systems as chaos which should be a required course for anyone geek who believes they have something useful to contribute to a discussion.

What you need: (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | more than 2 years ago | (#40994229)

1. A worm which targets government computers 2. Lots of defamatory postings

Simple ... swamp the system (1)

fygment (444210) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995323)

Those able to do so, should hack in to every system they can in Malaysia and insert illicit content. When it becomes apparent how easy it is to make anyone guilty of posting any content, and when the justice system finds itself overwhelmed, maybe someone will rethink the legislation.

That said, this could be a convenience law ie. never used except when law enforcement is looking for a way to 'get' someone.

Cool (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 2 years ago | (#40995409)

> Malaysia Stages Internet Blackout To Protest New Censorship Law

Hey, Malaysia, we support you!

Oh, wait. Nevermind.

innocence lost (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | more than 2 years ago | (#40997739)

even the way we word it is harmful. innocent until proven guilty. until? implying that you will be found guilty at a later time? the wording should be innocent unless proven guilty. not until.

Re:innocence lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40998093)

even the way we word it is harmful. innocent until proven guilty. until? implying that you will be found guilty at a later time? the wording should be innocent unless proven guilty. not until.

Take your fight up with William Garrow [wikipedia.org] . BTW, try using capital letters once in a while.

How is this a free speech issue? (1)

Yakasha (42321) | more than 2 years ago | (#40999963)

I look at comments like Harry Reid's, claiming Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years and I think... well... prove it!

If somebody makes a scientific claim, do you assume they're correct until somebody else proves otherwise?

So why would you require Obama to prove that some internet troll's claim of "Obama sucks goats" is untrue?

It seems to me that laws like this simply put the burden of proof on the person making the original claim (the allegedly libelous comment), as opposed to requiring the victim to prove to the entire world that the claim is false. And come on... you can't honestly believe that dispelling the lies is possible with all the birthers, swift boaters, and moon landing conspiracy theorists out there, do you? Even "normal" people continue to believe the lies long after they've been debunked.

If you want to make a potentially libelous comment, what is so horrible about demanding you back it up? No more political fishing by claiming Romney is a cheat, or Obama is not a US citizen, unless you can cough up Romney's returns or Obama's Nigerian birth certificate.

P.S. I understand this law also targets the owners of websites, making it effectively impossible to host a discussion board without lawyers as moderators. I consider that a separate issue than simply requiring people to back their claims with proof. I also understand the problems inherent in being able to satisfactorily prove "the secret police kidnapped my brother" to avoid a libel/sedition conviction in some countries. Again, I consider that a separate issue.

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