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Thoughts On the iPad Mini

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the i-bet-it-will-have-a-button dept.

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John Gruber at Daring Fireball has a thoughtful piece about the design of Apple's smaller iPad, which the company is expected to announce on September 12. Simply shrinking the current iPad's dimensions to a new form factor is unlikely, he says, and the bezel surrounding the display is more likely to be a cross between an iPad and an iPhone. He also discusses evidence of Apple's PR team getting the rumor mill going immediately after the announcement of Google's Nexus 7, and how Apple has probably bet on having a thinner and lighter tablet than Google, rather than worrying about a better display. Quoting: "Apple product designs are true to themselves. Each thing has proportions suited to its own nature. Consider how the iPad doesn’t look like a blown up iPhone. They share a few similar design elements — a family resemblance, if you will — but the proportions are different. The iPad has a thick bezel surrounding all four sides of the display; the iPhone does not. Why? Because you need a place to rest your thumbs while holding an iPad. ... Should not the iPad Mini fall somewhere in between? Not as close to the aspect ratio of its display as the iPad-as-we-know-it, but also not as far away from its display aspect ratio as the iPhone. You might need more thumb-rest room on the sides than you do on the iPhone, but not nearly as much as you do on the full-size iPad. If that assumption is right, the proportions of a 7.85-inch 4:3-aspect-ratio display iPad Mini are likely not the same as the proportions of the 9.7-inch 4:3-aspect-ratio display iPad."

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214 comments

in other words, a bigger ipod (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995389)

How many slashvertisments are we going to have? Apple's paid sychophants are flooding sites with this stuff in attempts to kill sales of existing Android mini-slates. They are desperate to ensure the low end market doesn't buy their "apps" from Google's Play store.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995483)

It's not a slashvertisement. It's an opinion piece about a rumoured product. TFA is a well written opinion piece, but that's all it is, you should read it. Your post on the other hand is whining in tone. If googles products are good enough, they won't have the slightest thing to worry about.

Perhaps you could write something interesting on the subject, instead of whining. Perhaps that's too difficult for you.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#40996143)

Who cares how well written it is, it is still content free. Nobody has leaked images yet so this guy's idle speculation isn't any better than some random /. user. But we have to have at least one Apple story per day it appears so this is it. Bah.

Oh well, won't last much longer. The iPod is almost a memory, the iPhone is fast retreating to the traditional 10% of the market where overpriced luxury goods normally dwell and with a little luck the iPad will also become something the 'rest of us' can safely quit worrrying about.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (4, Insightful)

medcalf (68293) | about 2 years ago | (#40996205)

There have been schematics purporting to be the device, and rear-view shots of the supposed device in a case, so there is some evidence that at least Apple is prototyping this. Gruber's speculation builds on that, so not exactly content free. Also, his speculation is better than random, because he has a long-established track record of being right more often than wrong.

I think Apple would be happy with 10% unit share and 75% profit share in the mobile market, not that unit share matters a bit to Apple if history is any guide. They are always focused on the profit. Always.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (1, Troll)

noh8rz7 (2706405) | about 2 years ago | (#40996601)

the iPhone is fast retreating to the traditional 10% of the market where overpriced luxury goods normally dwell

this is exquisite bs. a new iphone costs $200 with contract, the same as (or less than) new premium android phones like the Galaxy. There are also models at the $100 price point and free with contract. How can you call it an overpriced luxury good? This is a tired meme that used to be true 5 years ago. Also, sorry, iPad is 90% of the market with no challengers on the horizon, and ipad mini will eat nex7's lunch.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (2)

siddesu (698447) | about 2 years ago | (#40995589)

As many as there are necessary to make us forget the long soliloquies I had to listen to each time I mentioned that the large screen and weight of the iPad make it rather poor choice for proper mobile use, and basically useless at home where you have a notebook anyway.

I'm used to 7-7.5 inches and under 300 grams of weight from the ebooks I've been using for about a decade now, so it was good to see Android-based tablets in a similar form factor. I have just upgraded an ageing galaxy tab to a Google Nexus 7 and I am glad to see that Apple is joining the crowd.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (-1, Flamebait)

red crab (1044734) | about 2 years ago | (#40995607)

Regardless of the marketing PR, an Apple fanboy will always buy Apple and invent some reason to like it; no matter how much similar competing products are available at lesser price in the market.

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995799)

That's very interesting to me. So some people prefer one brand over another. Do they usually like one more than the other? If someone could get that information to a manufacturer it would be game changing....

Re:in other words, a bigger ipod (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996249)

Couldn't agree more. Wonder when Apple will launch a /. competitor. Kinda like how the Googlers wet themselves over Macbooks continuously, then Apple started eating into their markets and consumer audiences.

But to put out some constructive criticism, this site would be way more useful for our freedoms if instead of wasting time on i-device trivialities, they compared, say, Charmin vs Angel Soft vs store brand and store-brand premium. I say the most important metric is total sq m (sq ft for you non-metrics) and # plies (that plural of ply, for you libertarians/tea-f**ks).

Who would have guessed? (5, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 years ago | (#40995395)

Hmmmmm. It's true -- some people do prefer 7" over 9".

Re:Who would have guessed? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995541)

Really? I'm sporting a 6" and on some days I grow close to 7"... depends really.

Re:Who would have guessed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995627)

Mod up funny please, someone.

Re:Who would have guessed? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995653)

I have one which automatically extends when I need a larger size. Other times it fits comfortably in my pants. However, I don't think size really matters if you just remember to use a protective cover.

Re:Who would have guessed? (5, Funny)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 2 years ago | (#40995751)

Hmmmmm. It's true -- some people do prefer 7" over 9".

That is, in fact, NOT what she said.

Re:Who would have guessed? (3, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#40996589)

It's true -- some people do prefer 7" over 9".

I guess I could work in a "Or vagina" joke here, somehow, but I'm lazy.

iPad/iPhone all the same (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995399)

I always thought the iPad always did just look like an overblown iPhone. Regardless of what the article states about a place to rest your thumbs. Its perception that matters and public opinion. I have used Android and Apple devices (can't bring myself to call them ios because for me ios will always be Cisco). and the only advantage Apple has is the integration and the iTunes store.

Re:iPad/iPhone all the same (2, Interesting)

oztiks (921504) | about 2 years ago | (#40996405)

There was no keynote with Jobs citing how cool it was. iPad Mini will flop.

Look, it's a smaller iPad (4, Insightful)

guises (2423402) | about 2 years ago | (#40995419)

It's a smaller iPad. Tiny differences about bezels don't matter, we all know what to expect here. The only question is the price - how much of a premium is this going to be over a Nexus 7?

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (4, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#40995441)

It's a smaller iPad.

My god that's innovative! They should totally patent that idea!

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Higgins_Boson (2569429) | about 2 years ago | (#40996067)

I'm sure they are ready to sue when someone makes a similar sized device AFTER they introduce theirs.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about 2 years ago | (#40996463)

I'm sure they are ready to sue when someone makes a similar sized device AFTER they introduce theirs.

Actually, I hear Samsung was going to introduce the iPad Mini as evidence that Apple is copying Samsung in the Apple v. Samsung trial, but the judge wouldn't let them.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (1)

emho24 (2531820) | about 2 years ago | (#40996113)

What’s this? Apple copying products that other manufacturers are already producing? More lawsuits! It's too bad these lawsuits don't have real casualties, just like a war. Yeah you can go litigate, but there will be a heavy price; lawyers are your deficit.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (1)

hackula (2596247) | about 2 years ago | (#40996219)

1) a patent for a tablet the size of the iPad
2) a patent for a tablet smaller than the iPad
3) a patent for a tablet larger than the iPad
4) ...Mwahahaha!
5) profit!

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995463)

The other question is the size. The Nexus 7 is just barely small enough to fit in the pocket of a pair of men's pants. It's got a 7" screen and a 16:10 aspect ratio. This is one of the major features of a mini-tablet versus a full-size one: you don't need to carry a backpack or manpurse or whatever in order to have a place to put away the device.

If Apple is pulling a 7.85" screen with a 4:3 aspect ratio, it's going to be significantly wider. If it doesn't fit in a damn pocket, there's really no point in getting one over a full-size iPad.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (2)

queazocotal (915608) | about 2 years ago | (#40995545)

Agree totally on size
However.
I question if there isn't a way to shrink the bezel to near zero.
With a display that extends more-or-less to edge, with a touch surface extending further, perhaps even round the edge,you can in principle extend the display where the user is not holding it.

The n7 I am using right now, for example.
When simply reading, I am holding it by one edge.
  The screen could expand to nearly 8", in principle in that case.
Even simply ignoring touches that cross the device edge would allow some useful growth.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995949)

Agree totally on size
However.
I question if there isn't a way to shrink the bezel to near zero.
With a display that extends more-or-less to edge, with a touch surface extending further, perhaps even round the edge,you can in principle extend the display where the user is not holding it.

The n7 I am using right now, for example.
When simply reading, I am holding it by one edge.

  The screen could expand to nearly 8", in principle in that case.
Even simply ignoring touches that cross the device edge would allow some useful growth.

That's been my one wish from the start, get rid of the damm bezel and have the OS decipher intended touch commands from simply holding the device. The Bezel is such a waste of space...

You must have very large pockets. (0)

arcite (661011) | about 2 years ago | (#40995585)

What is with carrying stuff in your pockets? Do you really carry your smart phone in your pocket? Even those are huge, unless one is walking around in oversized cargo pants.

Re:You must have very large pockets. (2)

icebrain (944107) | about 2 years ago | (#40995645)

What is with carrying stuff in your pockets? Do you really carry your smart phone in your pocket?

Yes, and it has an extended battery too. Doesn't matter what kind of pants I'm wearing.

Pockets are nice because they are accessible, can't be accidentally set down or lost, are harder to steal from, and don't scream "look, I have expensive items!". I carry everything in my pockets.

Re:You must have very large pockets. (2)

Cryophallion (1129715) | about 2 years ago | (#40995811)

Umm, yes, yes I do. Actually, my 4.3" smartphone with hard case actually even fits into one of the lower pockets of some of the carpenter pants I own. I generally keep my wallet and keys in my left pocket (once I traveled internationally, I never saw a reason to keep the wallet in the back pocket, its bad for your back anyway). The right pocket has my smartphone and possibly a small usb drive. So, yeah, see no issue with carrying my smartphone around in my pocket. Since I used to work at heights frequently, I never trusted belt cases, plus they are generally regarded as tacky. How tight are your pants that you can't fit a smartphone in them?

Re:You must have very large pockets. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995845)

Skinny jeans might be all the rage among hipsters these days but us normal people can easily fit a cellphone in a pants pocket. Where the hell are you carrying yours? In your "it's not a purse, it's European!"?

Re:You must have very large pockets. (5, Funny)

jguevin (453329) | about 2 years ago | (#40995873)

I would have figured at least 1/3 of the crowd here would be sporting a utility kilt. You can carry a netbook in those.

Re:You must have very large pockets. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 2 years ago | (#40996563)

Apple should market a new fashion line for carrying this new 7" tablet. 'mini skirt' has a certain ring to it.

Re:You must have very large pockets. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 2 years ago | (#40996509)

I sampled, but didn't purchase, a Samsung Galaxy Note. Possibly the largest mobile phone on the planet with a 5.3" screen.

It fitted fine in a standard pair of Levi's. Even with keys and a hanky - it's slimmer than my existing phone.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (1)

gutnor (872759) | about 2 years ago | (#40995633)

Think of all the women that see their husband/boyfriend showing in public with 7" tablet in their pant's pockets. Seeing how Apple is fashion conscious, I would not be surprised if they made sure that an hypothetical iPad mini just barely does not fit.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995671)

Is that a mini-tablet in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995797)

> The Nexus 7 is just barely small enough to fit in the pocket of a pair of men's pants.

Yep, fits perfectly in my size 48 jorts!

iPants? (1)

shortscruffydave (638529) | about 2 years ago | (#40995827)

How long before Apple start making trousers with pockets just the right size to hold an iDevice? iPants anyone?

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995971)

Did you read TFA? It's specifically about how it probably won't be significantly wider.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996131)

My point is that it can't be any wider. The Nexus 7 is 120mm wide. That's the same as the diameter of a CD, which was specifically designed to be the largest size that could reasonably fit into a suit pocket. A 7.85" screen at a 4:3 aspect ratio means that the screen, with no bezel at all, will be 4.72" (119.8 mm) wide. There needs to be some bezel, because we can't currently build screens without them. The thing can't reasonably be under 130mm wide and it will probably be closer to 140.

Re:Look, it's a smaller iPad (2)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#40996215)

The other question is the size. The Nexus 7 is just barely small enough to fit in the pocket of a pair of men's pants. It's got a 7" screen and a 16:10 aspect ratio. This is one of the major features of a mini-tablet versus a full-size one: you don't need to carry a backpack or manpurse or whatever in order to have a place to put away the device.

If Apple is pulling a 7.85" screen with a 4:3 aspect ratio, it's going to be significantly wider. If it doesn't fit in a damn pocket, there's really no point in getting one over a full-size iPad.

Um, you didn't read the article, did you? There's an entire section about reducing the bezel size so that the iPad Mini will be the same physical size and weight with a significantly bigger screen.

iPhone Biggi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995433)

They should have called it that instead.
Sounds gangster. Gangster as F&*@!

Re:iPhone Biggi (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#40995611)

In fact, I was wondering - how different will it be from an iPod Touch? I'd say they already have an iPad Mini - albeit w/ some artificial subset of apps being allowed to run on it.

We don't know anything (4, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#40995465)

I think it is fair to say we don't know anything. Gruber along with everyone else is just guessing. His point about this not shipping in September but being announced in September is a good one, we don't know enough so this isn't a few weeks from going on sale. October/November sale date seems more likely.

Here are the resolutions:
iPad 1/2: 1024 x 768
iPad 3: 2048 x 1536 (doubled)
iPhone 4S: 640 x 960
iPhone 5 (rumor): 640 x 1136
earlier iPhone: 320 x 480

I'm going with a bigger version of the iPhone 5 resolution. 1136x640 is close to what the original iPad had, allows for a cheap screen, doesn't require developers to support yet another resolution... But no one really knows.

The other big question for September is whether there will be a 13" inch retina macbook pro.

Re:We don't know anything (2, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | about 2 years ago | (#40995593)

iPad mini will probably sport a 1024x786 display, the smaller dimensions of the screen will make the picture look sharp, and apps will not have to be retooled to work on the resolution. It's the obvious choice.

Re:We don't know anything (0, Offtopic)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#40995647)

Oh god, I hope they do a retina MacBook pro.

this would be a killer device for me (i use windows, but need to always carry 2 laptops, and work on them as my only computer).

A high res small long life decent specced device would be worth a lot. Hopefully a good thunderbolt dock will be out too (thunderbolt provides enough power to do powered USB and VGA without external source, but they all have it).

Re:We don't know anything (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about 2 years ago | (#40995881)

Oh god, I hope they do a retina MacBook pro

Um, what [apple.com] ?

Re:We don't know anything (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#40996153)

air, damn me.

The lil one.

Re:We don't know anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996345)

It's gonna be Christmas for GP.

Re:We don't know anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996199)

We do know a couple of things. Its build quality will be crappy like all (Cr)apple produts. Its price tag will be much higher than any other 7 inch tablet. The (Cr)apple fanbois will buy it mistakenly thinking that owning it makes them cool somehow, when in reality all it makes them is an IDIOT for buying highly overpriced junk!

Stuff that matters? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995475)

This, by far, is the most uninteresting article I've read in ages. Seriously, how much more non-newsworthy can it get? It ranks somewhere between soap-gossip and determining the mathematical function that most closely approximates the shape of my toe nails.

Re:Stuff that matters? Really? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#40995767)

Seriously, how much more non-newsworthy can it get?

Your serving [appleinsider.com] , sir.

Re:Stuff that matters? Really? (1)

progician (2451300) | about 2 years ago | (#40996075)

Jesus Fuckin' Christ on motorcycle! I already see the iOS 6 trailer video: 2012. The revolution has begun in - customize your alarm music

Re:Stuff that matters? Really? (4, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#40996257)

This, by far, is the most uninteresting article I've read in ages. Seriously, how much more non-newsworthy can it get? It ranks somewhere between soap-gossip and determining the mathematical function that most closely approximates the shape of my toe nails.

So informed speculation about the biggest change to one of the most innovative products to hit the tech scene in a decade isn't news for nerds at all? If this thing is released it'll probably redefine the Christmas gaming scene and have a huge impact on the eReader and educational computing market. Yes, this is newsworthy, even if you as an individual don't want to read it.

Why not just wait? (4, Insightful)

chill (34294) | about 2 years ago | (#40995477)

Here's a thought. How about just waiting until September 12th to see what they actually release? Maybe take the extra time you'd be wasting on speculation to get some actual work done.

If everyone took all the time they waste on speculating on future Apple products and the 2012 U.S. Election and actually did some useful work, the economy would recover in a week.

Re:Why not just wait? (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | about 2 years ago | (#40995861)

And yet here you are in this thread.

Re:Why not just wait? (5, Funny)

chill (34294) | about 2 years ago | (#40995915)

Compiling!

Re:Why not just wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996209)

Compiling!

For almost an hour?

Re:Why not just wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996485)

What can we say? It's a large project.

Re:Why not just wait? (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 2 years ago | (#40996555)

My Gentoo system emerges from sleep, you inconsiderate clod!

Apple TV Remote (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995479)

(Posting AC because I'm at work and I don't log in from work...)

I think the decision to go with the iPad Mini came about as Jobs' eureka moment when he figured out how to make controlling the Apple TV easy - make the remote an iPad Mini. I predict that every Apple TV (when it's finally announced) will ship with an iPad Mini. And, if they're going to make them as remotes for the TV, why not also sell them to the market-at-large?

Will it be a hit? Probably. Will it be superior to a regular iPad? Depends on what the person's wants and needs are. If you want a big screen, then no. If you want ultra-portability (i.e.: able to put it in a large pocket), then yes.

Regardless, my prediction is it will be tightly tied to the Apple TV.

Re:Apple TV Remote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995565)

What Eureka moment ? You mean when he saw that I was using my 3GS to control my XBMC HTPC ? How the hell did he know that my old Iphone can become a remote... Genius

Re:Apple TV Remote (1)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | about 2 years ago | (#40996085)

I occasionally use my tablet / phone to control my media player but it's nowhere near as nice to use as a traditional remote control with physical buttons, simply because you have to take your eyes off the TV screen and look at the small screen in your hand. That's fine if you're listening to music, but it sucks for channel surfing and so on. With a decent tactile remote control you can easily feel for the most commonly used buttons without having to look at it.

I look forward to when we get tactile screens in our touchscreen devices. Until then, for TV at least, a decent traditional remote control is perfect.

Re:Apple TV Remote (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 2 years ago | (#40996357)

It would be nice if there was a way you could display the TV screen on your tablet when controlling it, with your tablet. Entirely possible with today's technology.

How to get Slashdotted (0)

Azathfeld (725855) | about 2 years ago | (#40995511)

Write a piece of wild speculation with no actual information about the way the next Apple product will look.

Rumor (0)

robmv (855035) | about 2 years ago | (#40995527)

He also discusses evidence of Apple's PR team getting the rumor mill going immediately after the announcement of Google's Nexus 7

Apple PR team like the site called http://daringfireball.net [daringfireball.net] ?

Speculation about a rumor (4, Insightful)

gutnor (872759) | about 2 years ago | (#40995553)

Just like anything about Apple, people make up rumor based on what the rest of the market is doing or past behavior. Every year there have been rumor of an iPad mini and before phone with XL screen like the Galaxy were successful there were rumor of iPhone nano.

Sure I like a good piece of tech gossip, but analysis based on opinions about rumors that will inevitably end up in ePenis fight between Android and Apple fanboys are getting tiring.

Some people are even actively mocking that state of affair: http://day4.se/how-we-screwed-almost-the-whole-apple-community/ [day4.se]

Re:Speculation about a rumor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995705)

And Apple is feeding it all via their coy behavior, apparently under the "any press is good press" mantra.

No thanks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995569)

John Gruber? Don't feed the troll.

Re:No thanks (0)

ahow628 (1290052) | about 2 years ago | (#40995969)

Yeah, they lost me at "John Gruber" and "thoughtful".

Re:No thanks (1)

mclaincausey (777353) | about 2 years ago | (#40996413)

...which shows that you aren't very thoughtful, dismissing an article out of hand. Irony much?

But Wait... (0)

KjRX333 (2702951) | about 2 years ago | (#40995579)

I thought we already had an iPad Mini. Isn't that what the iPod Touch is? Or is that the iPad Nano..?

Re:But Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996267)

these jokes were only funny for about five minutes two years ago

I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995587)

To be honest, the Nexus 7 blows the iPad out of the water. The Nexus 7 is the best tablet device I've ever gotten my hands on, for less than half the price of an iPad.

It's more customizable, easier to get content, and with the soft back - easier to hold.

Services are more integrated than the iPad, IMHO, you could get by fine without having a computer to sync up with the Nexus 7. With the Nexus 7 you can download Torrent clients and apps such as Music Paradise to get all of your content, while there really isn't any alternative to the iTunes store with the iPad unless you root it.

Google Now works very well, I rarely type things in because the voice recognition is so accurate.

The Nexus 7 is a very nice device. I don't see why anyone would choose an iPad over the Nexus 7 right now.

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995661)

Your check is in the post

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995663)

Here are a few reasons: Mobile connectivity, super high resolution, bigger screen size, large apps ecosystem, compatibility with other devices already owned.

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995761)

Shill harder, Macbot.

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#40996055)

Compatability with other devices already owned is only a plus if you only have Apple devices, otherwise it's a disadvantage with the iPad.

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995697)

I now also am a Nexus sockpuppet. Well done!

Re:I have an iPad and a Nexus 7 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995963)

> With the Nexus 7 you can download Torrent clients

more evidence of google building a business empire on facilitating piracy of creative works.

face it, the only advantage of android is that it makes it easier to be a pirate. I mean isn't that the main selling point? "It let's you install pirated apps on it!"

now as a developer why would I want to support that?

it's an iPod XL not an iPad-Mini u idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995725)

god

Re:it's an iPod XL not an iPad-Mini u idiots (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 2 years ago | (#40996511)

I sure hope there's a Lisa emulator on the iPod XL.

What? (0)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#40995781)

How the hell does vacuous shit like this get posted on Slashdot? One of the dozens of enthusiast blogs I understand but here? Geez.

iPad Mini... (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | about 2 years ago | (#40995789)

...for when you need the portability of an iPad with the screen size and ergonomics of an iPod. I've seen very little from the tablet market that isn't a race towards a browsing-and-not-much-else device. I'd be more impressed with multitasking, but I suspect I'm not their target market.

Utter wanksterism (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995829)

This writeup is exactly the kind of breathless fanboy wanksterism that one has immediately come to expect from sites like "daringfireball". It is not enough to simply talk about the fact that Apple is releasing a "me too" smaller tablet, no, it's gotta be couched in terminology to make it sound like this was Apple's plan all along and that Apple's version will of course be the greatest thing ever. The big difference between Apple fanboy writing and everyone else's is that the Apple fanboy writing gets published and republished on sites like slashdot uncritically.

Yeah Right! (1)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about 2 years ago | (#40995833)

Consider how the iPad doesnâ(TM)t look like a blown up iPhone. They share a few similar design elements â" a family resemblance, if you will â" but the proportions are different. The iPad has a thick bezel surrounding all four sides of the display; the iPhone does not. Why? Because you need a place to rest your thumbs while holding an iPad.

Yeah, you keep drinking the kool aid, dude.

Besides the different chassis and the lack of voice communicationon, the iPad is a super-sized iPhone.

Re:Yeah Right! (1)

theghost (156240) | about 2 years ago | (#40996225)

Minus the phone. ;)

I like the iPad, but this is true.

Stayfree mini pads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995849)

Apple is in trouble now, that name has been trademarked already.

This story jumps the shark (1, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#40995851)

If small tablets are so much of a muchness that all someone can find to speculate on is fiddling little details like the width of the bezel, this is now a commoditised market.

This whole thing reminds me of the Hindi Ambassador. Basically it was an obsolete car design bought from the UK that had very few real improvements in its long life. Every year all Indian motoring journalists had to write about was minute changes to the tail light shape or the door handles.

Journalists should stop writing off RIM. Both Apple and Android products are getting so mature that, if RIM doesn't release BB 10 phones next year, there is going to be significant unemployment in the obsessing-over-gadgets industry.

Google can suck it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995875)

Apple invented the personal computer, smartphone AND tablet. Nobody else has business to be in those markets.

Re:Google can suck it. (1, Insightful)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about 2 years ago | (#40996013)

I have a hard time buying your argument, please provide more details, to be more precise:

Define invent. Then prove that Apple did that (linking to a credible source is of course enough)

Define Personal Computer. Then prove that Apple created it (linking to a credible source here too is of course enough)

Define what a smartphone is. Then prove that Apple created it initially (linking to a credible source would also be acceptable here too).

Define what a tablet is. Then prove that Apple created it initially (linking to a credible source yet again would be acceptable).

Then explain why this should mean Apple should be the only company to ever produce such products.

Re:Google can suck it. (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 2 years ago | (#40996501)

Invent, create, or initially create? Be consistent.

Re:Google can suck it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996145)

I sure hope that's sarcasm or you'd win the "most clueless post of the day" award.

Needs more (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40995995)

I think an iPad mini needs more than to just be thinner and lighter. Apple would not release such a product unless they could milk at least $400 out of people. They need to offer something substantially better than the Nexus 7 to justify a prices that is substantially more.

My guess is that they are NOT releasing an iPad mini. Instead they are just letting rumors fly to get people to hold off purchasing the Nexus 7. Then they will announce the next iPad and all the people who held out for the iPad mini will just get the newer iPad because because it will still be newer than the Nexus 7.

Less Thumb Space?? (3, Insightful)

asylumx (881307) | about 2 years ago | (#40996003)

Less thumb space? You either need your thumb on the front of it to hold it in one hand, or you need it on the side. It's not like you can use a smaller thumb if the device is smaller... Phones are typically held with the thumb and fingers opposing each other on the sides of the device, whereas the larger pad devices are held with the thumb and fingers opposing each other on the front and back of the device.

This just sounds like an invitation for complaints and more "You're holding it wrong" responses.

Welcome to fragmentation Apple people (2, Interesting)

dell623 (2021586) | about 2 years ago | (#40996175)

Assuming all these rumours turn out to be true..

If Apple finally kill off the iPhone 3GS, it leaves us with three models the iPhone 5, 4S, and 4. For people with loads of cash of course (and people in the US stuck on the absurd $0/$99/$199+$2400 over two years pricing) you just get the latest one. For the rest, have fun making sense of it. The iPhone 5 has a bigger screen. How much does it matter? Will people build their apps targeting the larger screen? Probably not to begin with. So do you lose out by getting an iPhone 4S? Then why not get the iPhone 4? Oh wait, no Siri or new Maps or new iPhoto. So the 4S has those? Yes. But so does the 5? Yup. So will the 4S not get the next cool thing Apple introduce? Maybe. Will they work better on the bigger screen? Don't know. Won't it be better to just get the smaller screen until developers actually get around to building apps for the larger screen?

It gets even more fun with the iPads. Do you buy an iPad 2 or an iPad mini? The former isn't getting the new maps or Siri, while the latter probably will. But the iPad 2 has a bigger screen. But the Mini screen will look better even at the same resolution as the iPad 2. So wait, doesn't that mean everything - the buttons controls etc carefully designed on apps for the big iPad will be shrunk on the Mini, making it much less convenient to use? Will the Mini get Siri? Yes - perfect, why spend loads more on a bigger less portable iPad or a far more expensive iPhone to get Siri. No - doesn't make logical sense, a new product that's already crippled.

Then we have the iPod touch, which is supposed to get an update. It should remain at $199 or so. Will it get Siri? Probably not, it's too cheap. So what exactly is the point of it?

I am not saying Apple can't find their way around it. But if they've given into giving their customers choice instead of saying that their devices are the perfect size, it's going to bring inevitable issues. Just like the profit focused planned obsolescence approach which artificially limits features like Siri and iOS Maps. There will have to be some degree of compromise on the core Apple values of apps just working and looking the same on every Apple device. We would already be looking at 4-5 different screen sizes and resolutions that developers will have to think about.

iPhone sale date... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996181)

Just announced, iPhone5 goes.on sale $eptember 21.

Screen (1)

theghost (156240) | about 2 years ago | (#40996193)

From TFA: "7.85 inches diagonally, 1024×768 pixels at 163 PPI — the same pixels-per-inch density as the pre-retina iPhones and iPod Touch."

IE next year's model will have a better display. Wait and buy then if this is a product that interests you.

Apple cultists (-1, Flamebait)

Minter92 (148860) | about 2 years ago | (#40996243)

Why is it that most times a mac mac speaks I feel like I am listening to a cultist.. oh wait... just answered my own question.
http://consumerist.com/2011/05/mri-shows-apple-stimulates-fans-brains-like-religion.html [consumerist.com]

I really thought when Jobs died they'd start waking up and stumble out into the light, like at the end of Logan's Run.

Re:Apple cultists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#40996347)

The same thing would probably happen with varieties of sports fans or fans of other things 0r.... even... Linux or google fans. Judging by the comments on /. I'd say it's a certainty. Human behaviour, who'd have thought that some people like things that other people don't?

Life must one great bewildering surprise to you

Re:Apple cultists (1)

mclaincausey (777353) | about 2 years ago | (#40996423)

Are there not Phandroid cultists too?
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