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Calligra 2.5 Office and Creativity Suite Released

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the i-feel-more-productive-already dept.

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jrepin writes "The Calligra team is proud and pleased to announce version 2.5 of Calligra, the KDE's office and creativity suite. Words, the word processor, has among other things improved support for editing of tables, tight run-around of text around images, manipulation of table borders, and dragging of text. Sheets, the spreadsheet application has a new stand-alone docker for the cell editor and a new cell tool window with cell formatting controls. Stage, the presentation program, has a number of usability improvements. Flow, the diagram application, has support for new stencils in odf custom shapes. Kexi, the database application, now offers a full screen mode. Krita, the painting application, has a new compositions docker, useful in movie storyboard generation. At the same time as the desktop version, the community also releases a QML based version for tablets and smartphone: Calligra Active." If there's one application here I'd like to see on a (pen) tablet, it's braindump.

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Happy Wednesday from the Golden Girls! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996235)

Well, I'm not the kind to kiss and tell, But I've been seen with Farrah.
I've never been with anything less than a nine, so fine.
I've been on fire with Sally Field, gone fast with a girl named Bo.
But somehow they just don't end up as mine...
It's a death-defying life I lead, I'll take my chances.
I've died for a living in the movies and tv.
But the hardest thing I'll ever do is watch my leading ladies,
Kiss some other guy while I'm bandaging my knee.

I might fall from a tall building, I might roll a brand-new car,
'Cause I'm the unknown stuntman that made Redford such a star.

I've never spent much time in school, but I taught ladies plenty.
It's true I hire my body out for pay, hey hey!
I've gotten burned over Cheryl Tiegs, blown up over Rachel Welch
But when I wind up in the hay, it's only hay, hey hey!
I might jump an open drawbridge, or Tarzan from a vine,
'Cause I'm the unknown stuntman, that makes Eastwood look so fine.

They'll never make me president, but I got the best first ladies
Someday's I got'em as far as the eye can see - ouee
A morning dove with Jacky Smith, a crash in the night with Cheryl
But in the end they never stay with me
On my fall from the Tower Building, so Burt Reynolds don't get hurt
I might leap the mighty Canyon, so he can kiss and flirt
Well, that smooth talker's kissing my girl - I'm just kissing dirt
Yes, I'm the lonely stuntman, that made a lover out of Burt

Re:Happy Wednesday from the Golden Girls! (1, Offtopic)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996873)

OK, Grandpa. Turn that TV down, upstairs!

The battery is running low on your hearing aid, again.

Re:Happy Wednesday from the Golden Girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40998325)

You obviously didn't do this from memory, because I don't think that last verse is in the opening credits. So, no points for you.

Finally! (3, Insightful)

tigersha (151319) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996283)

KDE's office suite reached the point where Excel and Word were in 1995! Great!

Re:Finally! (5, Interesting)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996381)

Yeah, and for a lot of people (maybe 80%), that's all they need.

In fact Excel 95 was great. It even included a nice FPS game as an Easter egg.

Re:Finally! (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997055)

Yeah, and for a lot of people (maybe 80%), that's all they need.

But a lot of these people also need 100% compatibility (in both directions) with Microsoft Office documents.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40999313)

Yeah, and for a lot of people (maybe 80%), that's all they need.

But a lot of these people also need 100% compatibility (in both directions) with Microsoft Office documents.

Sadly, you don't get 100% compatibility even if you use ONLY MSO, because it aint so between versions of the product.

Re:Finally! (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year and a half ago | (#41067199)

a lot of these people also need 100% compatibility (in both directions) with Microsoft Office documents.

MS Office can open ODF files since years. So where is the problem?

Re:Finally! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40997397)

It's wasted effort that could have gone toward improving LibreOffice rather than making an antiquated office suite which must for some reason be packaged with a window manager.

Re:Finally! (1)

ichthus (72442) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998435)

Is building your own boat from scratch a wasted effort, simply because you can buy one at the boat store? Sometimes, you can look at these projects as labors of love (or hobbies), the fruits of which we can also enjoy... or not.

I don't see this as a wasted effort. Some people will find it useful. Other developers may see new features that they choose to also implement in other projects. The potential benefits are innumerable.

Re:Finally! (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#40999317)

No, the DE (not the Window Manager) had a number of apps projects running, and these happened to be a few. I'm glad that there is a collection of readymade apps that come w/ the DE, so that the user doesn't need to collect a separate set of apps from different sources, unless he wants to. In fact, I wish that GNOME, LXDE, XFCE and other DEs had similar suites packaged w/ them, as opposed to a dozen text editors

Re:Finally! (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997523)

But if that is all they need...why not LO? this is one of the major problems in FOSS IMHO, all the reinventing the wheel and NIH syndrome. If they would have taken that same effort and invested it in LO think about how much farther it would be? But because LO is NIH we get yet another office suite that is years behind the competition...yay.

Java (3, Informative)

sourcerror (1718066) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997611)

Calligra has Krita and other graphics tools too, which are pretty unique. Also the true RMS believers always steered clear from OpenOffice because it depends on Java.

Re:Java (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41003251)

And that was...what? 3 or 4 years ago? It hasn't been OO.o since oracle bought it and it forked ages ago and the LO guys are stripping out all the Java even as we speak.

I'll get hate for saying this but I really don't give a fuck, RMS is a nut [youtube.com] or as the Brits say "snooker loopy" and while what he did 30 years ago was good frankly he passed batshit a looong time ago. As the head of RH said "RMS treats his friends as his enemies" and frankly RMS is only really good for religious dogma and shit stirring anymore.

I'd say a better take on Linux comes from one of the RH devs [google.com] who says the current system isn't sustainable for just this reason, you have everyone and everything spread too damned thin and the QA and QC goes right down the shitter. So now instead of ONE product that's behind we have TWO products that are even farther behind...yay. The problem with all this wheel inventing was summed up by XKCD [xkcd.com],everyone in FOSS land tries to play it up as a strength but that's bullshit, it just makes sure that every project is half ass and behind the competition because there is never enough manpower to get the job done right...thanks a lot.

Choices of applications (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#41006367)

I agree that there is a plethora of Linux distros. But in this case, there being another application like Calligra Suite is simething similar to the days when in Windows, you had a choice of MS Office, WordPerfect Office and Lotus Ami Pro. Yeah, they were 3 different companies making competing products, but one would hardly say that 2 of them should never have existed, and that everyone should have worked @ Microsoft (even though MS Office ended up being the default)

Also, as others have pointed out, Calligra Office is made up of Qt parts that can be included seamlessly in other Qt applications - an advantage that one doesn't have w/ LO or OO. Besides, aside from the QA and QC that you mentioned, what Linux (and BSD) need are more apps. Not 100 word processors or 50 music players, but all sorts of applications - be it business software (incidentally, in the KDE suite, they have an financial manager application called Skrooge [kde.org], which allows import/export to Quicken data formats. That's the great thing about KDE that no other DE has - an effort behind developing a range of apps. They need to do a greater variety of these apps, be it medical transcription software, small business manager (I'm not sure whether Skrooge is adequate) and other such things.

The other thing about KDE is that they optimize projects for every target platform. As has been noted before on /., they don't try to fit a phone interface on a desktop or a desktop interface on a tablet. They have 3 different interfaces for desktops, tablets and netbooks, and for those who claim that KDE has too many bells & whistles & is a resource glutton, they even have a lightweight DE called Razor-qt. Other DE projects, such as Gnome, would do well to emulate their example.

And no, I don't think it has anything to do w/ their licenses, since KDE and KDE apps are under LGPL (anybody know of any major differences b/w LGPL2 and LGPL3? I couldn't figure that out by reading them, but then again, IANAL) and Qt itself is dual-licensed (I wonder whether their new owners Digia will be using the QPL). KDE is a lot less fanatical about licenses than GNU (Incidentally, why don't they make Gnome3, which so many loathe, GPL3 as well?)

Re:Java (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | about a year and a half ago | (#41007683)

1, KOffice (the father of Calligra) has been developed since 1997. 3-4 years is nothing, especially in the FOSS world. You should rather complain about why Calligra had to fork from KOffice.

2, If you want a FOSS project that doesn't get forked every month, you need paid developers.

Re:Java (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#41043241)

Calligra is a far better name than KOffice. In fact, this fetish for 'K' needs to go - it was 'kute' at first, but has long become long in the tooth. Calligra is a good first step - hopefully, the other myriad applications will follow suit.

Re:Java (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year and a half ago | (#41067231)

the LO guys are stripping out all the Java even as we speak.

Actually no. They reduced Java dependencies but nothing more. LO is still full of Java.

Re:Finally! (4, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997709)

KDE is fairly innovative.

We owe Webkit to their NIH syndrome for example. Additionally, Krita is an interesting app that doesn't really have an open source analog.

Their take on Kword has always been different than MS's take on word processing (which is where Libre Office gets theirs). I really like how the toolbars in KDE4 behave too, getting the interface totally native is a nice touch.

Re:Finally! (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998051)

KDE and OpenOffice (Star Office) were never designed to fill the same the niche. KDE integrates with the GUI while LO/OO/NO is GUI independent. I can easily break apart KDE Office functionality and widgets and use them in other KDE applications. I did this myself about a decade ago where I took many of the row and column management functions from KDE's spreadsheet and moved them to a thick client.

I think this situation is good. Long term Open Office should be conservative offering something like Microsoft Office.
KDE Office (Calligra) should be aggressive moving into new areas and designs for Office applications and tightly integrate with KDE.

Re:Finally! (2)

vurian (645456) | about a year and a half ago | (#40999133)

And, of course, KOffice, Calligra these days, is older than LibreOffice or OpenOffice. It predates the opening of StarOffice.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40999493)

Citation needed.

My memory puts Has staroffice as older than KDE itself.

Re:Finally! (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year and a half ago | (#41067161)

Citation needed.

My memory puts Has staroffice as older than KDE itself.

Learn to read. He wrote that KOffice was started before the StarOffice source code was opened up to the public. That is true and you can look it up on Wikipedia.

Re:Finally! (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#41006699)

Well, for one, they may not even need all the stuff that Open/Liberty/Libre/Whatever Office has.

I'd venture go guess Calligra loads faster too, without all the StarOffice baggage.

Finally, I don't know if it has a macro language, but it would great if they bolted on a GamBas-style Basic language, API, and editor as opposed to the hellish OOBasic environment where you're supposed to start writing stuff from memory apparently, instead of Intellisense-type code completion you get with Gambas.

Re:Finally! (2)

dclozier (1002772) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996387)

And for some people that's all they want. As long as they keep the UI consistent and stay away from change for the sake of change (ie. ribons) they'll have plenty of happy users.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996407)

YouDon'tNeedThat

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996389)

As if there has been leaps forward in Excel & Word since then. Oooh, you weren't thinking about the ribbon, were you?

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996517)

LOL. Well there were a few improvements by making the suite into active x objects, so that you could place one item into another. (for example an excel table in a word document and still have it editable in the excel style.)

Re:Finally! (3, Informative)

Carewolf (581105) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996617)

LOL. Well there were a few improvements by making the suite into active x objects, so that you could place one item into another. (for example an excel table in a word document and still have it editable in the excel style.)

Koffice has been using Kparts for a decade, I can only assume calligra hasn't reverted that.

Re:Finally! (2)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996559)

They just need to be where Office 2003 was. That's pretty adequate. I just hope all the bugs in Kexi have been fixed.

Re:Finally! (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996753)

In terms of resource usage, that would be a good thing. I remeber reading articles around 98 bemoaning the death of software development. As cpus edged towards the 1 ghz mark, they noted how office 97 worked just as well on a 500 mhz computer as the 950 mhz. What on earth more could you do to an office suite that would require more cpu?

In my experience, calligra's predicessor koffice was always the most lightwieght office suite. If it actually did formating a little better, I would absolutely switch from libreoffice.

Re:Finally! (1)

na1led (1030470) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996763)

All these great new features and no one knows how to use the software, because we all learned Microsoft Office.

Re:Finally! (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996853)

Which peaked in Office 97.

So they're only a single release behind.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40997091)

Peaked with Office (2002) XP. Since Office XP, MS has steady remove features, decreased performance and increase bloat.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41025599)

The word you are looking for is "piqued".

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41026707)

The word you are looking for is "piqued". Software does not climb mountains, nor does it reach the top of something. You can say that the quality peaked, but a much Frenchier and more aesthetically pleasing way of saying that is "piqued".

No Mail Merge at all... Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41000849)

Word Processor is not comparable, as there is no Mail Merge and other regular features of a Word Processor.
Pretty weak.

Re:Finally! (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a year and a half ago | (#41001787)

Other than the mousewheel, which was supported in Office 97, i'd be perfectly happy with Office 95.

I had Office 2007 on my Windows box. I would doubleclick a doc, Office 2007 Word would attempt to load. I'd realize my mistake in letting bad Office 2007 do anything, Id re-open the doc in Offce 97, perform my simple edit, close the file, and Office 2007 Word wouldn't even finished loading yet.

Yeah, my machine was "underpowered" - 1GB RAM, 1GHz Pentium 4 something, but realize that I still did everything I needed to in Office 97. The features in Office 2007 meant nothing to me, other than the misfeature of not lbeing able to load in less than several minutes.

HTML text editing in cells (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996401)

Does this support HTML (richtext) editing in cells? I.e., different format for different words, not just the whole cell.

And then when you export it to CSV, it'll output "Bold text Non bold text" ?

Re:HTML text editing in cells (2)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996419)

Uhm? There is no such thing as bold text in a CSV file. It's plain text with commas and quotation marks.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997027)

The text itself is not bold.

I messed up and put an HTML bold ( ) into my post, which made the text bold. I meant to put a less than sign, b, and greater than symbol.

So, what I meant was a cell having richtext editing, which would be outputted as HTML (which, of course, is plain text). Depending on the environment you're importing into, it may/should handle newlines within fields just fine.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996471)

And then when you export it to CSV, it'll output "Bold text Non bold text" ?

i can only hope this is a clever troll bait otherwise you're a extraordinary moron. CSV is plain text tabular data.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (1)

Filip22012005 (852281) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996891)

Possibly he meant to export the HTML-tags in the CSV, but slashdot parsed the tags to what we see.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996943)

Which would not be CSV anymore. CSV is by its format definition purely plain text tabular data separated by a delimiter.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (2)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997081)

>Which would not be CSV anymore. CSV is by its format definition purely plain text tabular data separated by a delimiter.

Well, basically it all comes down to the environment that you're importing into. There's no law that says you can't put less-than and greater-than signs into a CSV field. Once you have that, you've got HTML.

The environment I'm importing into (Drupal) handles newlines within quoted fields just fine.

Re:HTML text editing in cells (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997051)

Oops, I meant "some field", "<b>Bold text<b/> Non bold text", "next field"

Re:HTML text editing in cells (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998113)

I think you are missing the point of the comments below.

CSV is a data format. Test attributes like bold aren't considered part of data. If on the other hand you define the field to be "HTML block" and not "text" then CSV could have formatting.

In general though people who are using CSV are OK with losing formatting. So the culture around CSV is not to do what you want. That's not a failure of KDE so much as it is a desire for an independent format that doesn't preserve formatting. ODF does preserver formatting and data.

Publishing suites? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#40999373)

Does Calligra include any publishing software - any equivalent (stripped down or whatever) of Adobe FrameMaker, Illustrator, et al?

Re:Publishing suites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41120341)

Does Calligra include any publishing software - any equivalent (stripped down or whatever) of Adobe FrameMaker, Illustrator, et al?

Scribus isn't part of KDE, but uses Qt for the GUI and so fits right into a KDE environment.

Is Krita now the equivalent of Windows Movie Maker (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996597)

Krita, the painting application, has a new compositions docker, useful in movie storyboard generation.

Does that mean Krita can now be used to edit movie files, like Windows Movie Maker does w/ .wmv files?

Re:Is Krita now the equivalent of Windows Movie Ma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996647)

No

Re:Is Krita now the equivalent of Windows Movie Ma (2)

ingwa (958475) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996693)

No, it means that there is support for creating the series of still pictures that make up the story for a movie before the production starts.

The Application names: Wow (2)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996641)

They are imaginative but they do not hint to their function.

Re:The Application names: Wow (3, Funny)

Desler (1608317) | about a year and a half ago | (#40996695)

Obviously the Caligula Office is a suite of tools for planning and marketing your sexual orgies and other perversity.

Re:The Application names: Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40996883)

Words for word processing, Sheets for spreadsheets, Stage for presentations, Flow for flowcharts. So far so good. But then we get Kexi and Krita, who's names are about as descriptive as Excel, Acrobat or Maya.

Re:The Application names: Wow (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40997249)

Krita is actually the most descriptive of them all. at least in my language where krita = crayon. and even if it's supposed to be K-rita it still makes sense.

I like it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40997417)

I tried Calligra and I like it. The suite is easy to customize, it doesn't have a lot of clutter and it is light on resources. My only issue with it is the lack of MS-Office support. I deal a lot with people sending me documents in various Office formats and Calligra will not save to MS-Office formats. Reading it does okay, but not writing and this is a big blocker for me. Hopefully they will address this soon as I would like to switch to Calligra full-time.

Nice ribbon-like UI (2)

bazorg (911295) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997711)

Seriously - that formatting toolbar that adjusts to the task at hand looks great. Displaying it as a vertical palette rather than a horizontal ribbon like MS Office makes a lot of sense for the wide screens I use most of the time.

Re:Nice ribbon-like UI (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998991)

The way KDE (or perhaps QT?) handle "dockers" is fantastic.

The context sensitive one is more limited (right-dock or float), but the others can float, tab, or dock to the top, bottom, or right.

Similar to the newer Adobe Creative Suites (not 4+ maybe), but a little smoother working.

Can't tab the floating ones though.

why another office suite? (1)

AnAlchemist (1703640) | about a year and a half ago | (#40997747)

I'm not trying to hate on Calligra, but LibreOffice is the standard in the FOSS world. Why the seemingly duplicate effort?

I'm not saying that seemingly duplicate effort is bad; it's a balancing act. The dominant player can become stagnant (e.g., gcc back in the day, XFree86, etc.) and sometimes you need a new player to shake things up. But when both players seem to be in the same area, or one is way behind the others, I don't see the point.

Re:why another office suite? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#40998177)

They did it specifically to annoy people like you.

Re:why another office suite? (1)

devman (1163205) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998455)

With that kind of attitude we wouldn't have gotten WebKit. I mean why bother when Gecko exists, wasted effort clearly.

Re:why another office suite? (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year and a half ago | (#41067413)

With that kind of attitude we wouldn't have gotten WebKit. I mean why bother when Gecko exists, wasted effort clearly.

Well, KHTML started before open sourcing Netscape Communicator as Mozilla and even then Gecko didn't exist, yet.
According to the dates on Wikipedia, Netscape announced Mozilla just a few days before the KDE 1.0 beta 3 release which already included the Konqueror predecessor kfm. WebKit was just an evolutionary step from that.

Re:why another office suite? (3, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#40998623)

Huh? Calligra is much older than Libre Office. KDE office was around when Libre was still Star Office. Neither one of them is new kid on the block unless you want to go back 15 years. If you do back 15 years...

the goal of KDE was to create a GUI for Linux. The Office suite has to follow the GUI standards.
Star Office was a port of a pre-existing 2nd tier office suite to Linux. They didn't follow the GUI standards but they were the furthest along when Sun acquired them.

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