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The Oatmeal Begins a Fundraiser for a Nikola Tesla Museum

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the and-he-knew-that-he-would-never-invent-anything-worthy-of-a-pigeon dept.

The Almighty Buck 134

Quince alPillan writes "The Oatmeal's Matthew Inman is once again collecting money for a good cause. This time, he's collecting money for the Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe to purchase the original location of the Wardenclyffe Tower in Shoreham, New York so that it can be rebuilt into a Tesla Museum. The fundraiser, titled Let's Build a Goddamn Tesla Museum has already started."

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So... (4, Funny)

Mitreya (579078) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003777)

... who's going to start a kickstarter project to build an Edison museum across from the Tesla one?

Re:So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003797)

And here is the gay agent Armin Ass who just finished gay agent school and is only his first flight in space.

Re:So... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003801)

Just wait a few years and slap Edison's name over top of Tesla's.

Re:So... (4, Funny)

GammaKitsune (826576) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003821)

I wish there were some way to mod you "Funny, but Mostly Sad".

Re:So... (5, Insightful)

cffrost (885375) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006307)

I wish there were some way to mod you "Funny, but Mostly Sad".

That's one of the uses for Insightful.

Westinghouse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003971)

George Westinghouse was the one who lied to Tesla to get him to fork over his share of the company for peanuts.

I want the museam to be made to look like a middle finger with a plaque that says "Up Yours George!"

Re:Westinghouse (5, Informative)

s.petry (762400) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004047)

Tesla was not only fucked by Westinghouse, but many others. The PR campaign by Edison is the worst, but JP Morgan pulling his project money since JP could not restrict access to make lots more money, and of course Westinghouse robbing him of personal wealth.

Greed has screwed us all, and continues to do so today.

Re:Westinghouse (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005485)

Tesla was not only fucked by Westinghouse, but many others. The PR campaign by Edison is the worst, but JP Morgan pulling his project money since JP could not restrict access to make lots more money, and of course Westinghouse robbing him of personal wealth.

Greed has screwed us all, and continues to do so today.

Except greed is why Westinghouse, Edison and JP Morgan had any money to invest in Tesla to begin with.

Without greed W, E and JP would have been subsistence farmers and Tesla would have been that crazy old man in the shack in the woods everyone stayed away from.

Re:Westinghouse (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006653)

Not Necessarily true -- Tesla knowingly and intentionally mislead JP Morgan as to his real intentions and knew that even if successful, Morgan would never realize an ROI. Frankly Tesla was a major dick for pulling that stunt and is lucky to only have suffered the revocation of his funding.

Re:Westinghouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008425)

And you know this to be true HOW?

Were you there? No?

Shut the hell up, then.

Re:Westinghouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008547)

It's actually pretty well documented. Go to your library and get some books on Tesla.

Re:So... (1)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004009)

Shouldn't the Edison museum just take the money from the Tesla museum fundraiser?

Re:So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003825)

I'm going to start a Kickstarter to BUY this, then bulldozer it over, and build the Edison museum.

The Edison Museum: Because the oatmeal sucks. Seriously, fuck that guy.

Re:So... (0)

ThePeices (635180) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004663)

I'm going to start a Kickstarter to BUY this, then bulldozer it over, and build the Edison museum.

The Edison Museum: Because the oatmeal sucks. Seriously, fuck that guy.

Thomas? is that you?

Re:So... (1)

cffrost (885375) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006377)

Because the oatmeal sucks. Seriously, fuck that guy.

Fuck this guy? []

Re:So... (2)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003947)

Only counts if you hire bully boys to kidnap dogs and cats, and electrocute them with AC current in front of Tesla's museum.

Re:So... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006243)

Don't forget the elephant!

Re:So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004063)

Hijacking this comment because it's dumb and what I have to say is more important.

I won't give any money to the Oatmeal since last time they let an asshole lawyer block the fundraiser.

Re:So... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004339)

Hijacking this comment because it's dumb and what I have to say is more important.

I won't give any money to the Oatmeal since last time they let an asshole lawyer block the fundraiser.

The lawyer tried to block the fundraiser, but it still proceeded as planned

Re:So... (2)

mcvos (645701) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008105)

Are you blaming the Oatmeal for what some other idiot did? The Oatmeal's fundraiser worked out fine. It's the idiot you should be boycotting.

Re:So... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41009045)

Er wut? Obviously you didn't follow that story but formed a passionate opinion on it?

Let me guess, you are American.

Re:So... (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006155)

The Thomas Edison corporate douche exhibit were paying for other people's inventions means that you can publicly pretend to have invented them, woo hoo. That can add all the other great patent douche's that came there after to the exhibit, with Apple as the A number 1, patent douche of all time ;D. Seriously if you invented put your name on the patent app, if you didn't don't be a dick and put it there to feed your ego, it's really lame.

Totally in (5, Funny)

medcalf (68293) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003901)

But they have to build his death ray

Re:Totally in (5, Funny)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003953)

But they have to build his death ray

I'd prefer cloning him, and then having the clone build it. As long as we're building a B-movie death ray, we might as well have a B-movie story to go along with it.

After we're done with him, we can have the clone battle an Edison robot, and my life will be complete.

Re:Totally in (2)

t4ng* (1092951) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006567)

I saw a conspiracy theory book that claimed he succeeded in building his death ray and that's what the Tunguska explosion [] really was. It further claimed that Tesla had done it as a publicity gimmick intending to aim it at the North Pole and blow it up right before Admiral Peary could reach the North Pole, but his aim was off!!!

It then went on to claim that Tesla did not die, but instead was living inside the "face pyramid" on Mars with Marconi!!!!


Re:Totally in (1)

flappinbooger (574405) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008633)

I saw a conspiracy theory book that claimed he succeeded in building his death ray and that's what the Tunguska explosion [] really was. It further claimed that Tesla had done it as a publicity gimmick intending to aim it at the North Pole and blow it up right before Admiral Peary could reach the North Pole, but his aim was off!!!

It then went on to claim that Tesla did not die, but instead was living inside the "face pyramid" on Mars with Marconi!!!!


conspiracy theories are pretty fun, aren't they?

Buy cheap Viagra? (1)

D H NG (779318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003919)

Is it just me or is their about page infested with spam?

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (5, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003939)

2012, browsing the internet with out adblock ya I'm going to have to ask for your nerd license and decoder ring.

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (4, Funny)

jxander (2605655) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003959)

At this point, I was certain that most "nerd-centric" sites were of a similar mindset, and spammed up their pages to keep the Luddites out.

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (1)

D H NG (779318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004061)

Google cache is seeing the same thing I'm seeing here [] .

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007065)

It [] looks perfectly fine [] to me, on my unprotected, syphilitic IE8 at work.

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005155)

Who the fuck uses adblock when there are perfectly serviceable hosts files floating around?


Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41007267)

Yeah why use a system that can be easily clicked on and off and keeps itself updated beyond a static list without any intervention, when you can just copy paste some 3yo list?!


Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41007347) []

Updated regularly, though in my experience ads don't get through for months if not years after installing - 99% of the ads you hit come from well-established domains.

If you start getting ads, it's about 2 minutes of 'work' to get update.

Oh, it's browser-independent, too.


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21++ Advantages of HOSTS files (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008709)

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21++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES (over browser plugins for security, &/or DNS servers):

(Over AdBlock & DNS Servers ALONE 4 Security, Speed, Reliability, & Anonymity (to an extent vs. DNSBL's + DNS request logs)).

1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program). A truly "multi-platform" UNIVERSAL solution for added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBL's you feel are unjust hosts get you past/around).

2.) Adblock blocks ads? Well, not anymore & certainly not as well by default, apparently, lol - see below:

Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option [] )

AND, in only browsers & their subprogram families (ala email like Thunderbird for FireFox/Mozilla products (use same gecko & xulrunner engines)), but not all, or, all independent email clients, like Outlook, Outlook Express, OR Window "LIVE" mail (for example(s)) - there's many more like EUDORA & others I've used over time that AdBlock just DOES NOT COVER... period.

Disclaimer: Opera now also has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc..

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF (non-mozilla/gecko engine based) family based wares, So AdBlock doesn't protect email programs like Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows "LIVE" mail & others like them (EUDORA etc./et al), Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 5-7 next below, & especially vs. the July 12th 2012 "DNSChanger" trojan purge that's coming soon (those folks won't get to sites if infested - I will, due to hardcodes in my hosts file of my fav. 20 sites + using BETTER filtering DNS servers (see list below))...

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* NOW - Some folks MAY think that putting an IP address alone into your browser's address bar will be enough, so why bother with HOSTS, right? WRONG - Putting IP address in your browser won't always work IS WHY. Some IP adresses host several domains & need the site name to give you the right page you're after is why. So for some sites only the HOSTS file option will work!

6.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles (or ELECTRICITY) like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content, nor as much as a DNS server does while it runs. HOSTS file are merely a FILTER for the kernel mode/PnP TCP/IP subsystem, which runs FAR FASTER & MORE EFFICIENTLY than any ring 3/rpl3/usermode app can since hosts files run in MORE EFFICIENT & FASTER Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode operations acting merely as a filter for the IP stack (via the "Plug-N-Play" designed IP stack in Windows) vs. SLOWER & LESS EFFICIENT Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode operations (which webbrowsers run in + their addons like AdBlock slow down even MORESO due to their parsing operations).

7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than remote DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server, typically 30-100's of ms, vs. 7-10ms HardDisk speed of access/seek + SSD seek in ns, & back to you - hosts resolutions of IP address for host-domain names is FAR faster...). Hosts are only a filter for an already fast & efficient IP stack, no more layered b.s. (remote OR local). Hosts eat less CPU, RAM, I/O in other forms, + electricity than a locally running DNS server easily, and less than a local DNS program on a single PC. Fact. Hosts are easier to setup & maintain too.

8.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN bad servers blocked)

9.) AdBlock & DNS servers are programs, and subject to bugs programs can get. Hosts files are merely a filter and not a program, thus not subject to bugs of the nature just discussed.

10.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> []

11.) HOSTS files are EASILY user controlled, obtained (for reliable ones -> [] ) & edited too, via texteditors like Windows notepad.exe or Linux nano (etc.)

12.) With Adblock you had better be able to code javascript to play with its code (to customize it better than the GUI front does @ least). With hosts you don't even need source to control it (edit, update, delete, insert of new entries via a text editor).

13.) Hosts files are easily secured via using MAC/ACL (even moreso "automagically" for Vista, 7/Server 2008 + beyond by UAC by default) &/or Read-Only attributes applied.

14.) Custom HOSTS files also speed you up, unlike anonymous proxy servers systems variations (like TOR, or other "highly anonymous" proxy server list servers typically do, in the severe speed hit they often have a cost in) either via "hardcoding" your fav. sites into your hosts file (avoids DNS servers, totally) OR blocking out adbanners - see this below for evidence of that:


US Military Blocks Websites To Free Up Bandwidth: []

(Yes, even the US Military used this type of technique... because IT WORKS! Most of what they blocked? Ad banners ala doubleclick etc.)


Adbanners slow you down & consume your bandwidth YOU pay for:



And people do NOT LIKE ads on the web:



As well as this:

Users Know Advertisers Watch Them, and Hate It: []


Even WORSE still, is this:

Advertising Network Caught History Stealing: []


15.) HOSTS files usage lets you avoid being charged on some ISP/BSP's (OR phone providers) "pay as you use" policy [] , because you are using less bandwidth (& go faster doing so no less) by NOT hauling in adbanner content and processing it (which can lead to infestation by malware/malicious script, in & of itself -> [] ).

16.) If/when ISP/BSP's decide to go to -> FCC Approving Pay-As-You-Go Internet Plans: [] your internet bill will go DOWN if you use a HOSTS file for blocking adbanners as well as maliciously scripted hacker/cracker malware maker sites too (after all - it's your money & time online downloading adbanner content & processing it)

Plus, your adbanner content? Well, it may also be hijacked with malicious code too mind you:


Yahoo, Microsoft's Bing display toxic ads: []


Malware torrent delivered over Google, Yahoo! ad services: []


Google's DoubleClick spreads malicious ads (again): []


Rogue ads infiltrate Expedia and Rhapsody: []


Google sponsored links caught punting malware: []


DoubleClick caught supplying malware-tainted ads: []


Yahoo feeds Trojan-laced ads to MySpace and PhotoBucket users: []


Real Media attacks real people via RealPlayer: []


Ad networks owned by Google, Microsoft serve malware: []


Attacks Targeting Classified Ad Sites Surge: []


Hackers Respond To Help Wanted Ads With Malware: []


Hackers Use Banner Ads on Major Sites to Hijack Your PC: []


Ruskie gang hijacks Microsoft network to push penis pills: []


Major ISPs Injecting Ads, Vulnerabilities Into Web: []


Two Major Ad Networks Found Serving Malware: []












London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware: []


Spotify splattered with malware-tainted ads: []


Demonoid Down For a Week, Serving Malware Laden Ads: []


As my list "multiple evidences thereof" as to adbanners & viruses + the fact they slow you down & cost you more (from reputable & reliable sources no less)).

17.) Per point #16, a way to save some money: ANDROID phones can also use the HOSTS FILE TO KEEP DOWN BILLABLE TIME ONLINE, vs. adbanners or malware such as this:


Infected Androids Run Up Big Texting Bills: []


AND, for protection vs. other "botnets" migrating from the PC world, to "smartphones" such as ZITMO (a ZEUS botnet variant): []


It's easily done too, via the ADB dev. tool, & mounting ANDROID OS' system mountpoint for system/etc as READ + WRITE/ADMIN-ROOT PERMISSIONS, then copying your new custom HOSTS over the old one using ADB PULL/ADB PUSH to do so (otherwise ANDROID complains of "this file cannot be overwritten on production models of this Operating System", or something very along those lines - this way gets you around that annoyance along with you possibly having to clear some space there yourself if you packed it with things!).

18.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> []

HOSTS files are NOT THAT EASILY "webbug" BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked on AdBlock in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:



An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM []

"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."


"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"

Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!


19.) Even WIKILEAKS "favors" blacklists (because they work, and HOSTS can be a blacklist vs. known BAD sites/servers/domain-host names):



"we are in favour of 'Blacklists', be it for mail servers or websites, they have to be compiled with care... Fortunately, more responsible blacklists, like (which protects the Firefox browser)...


20.) AND, LASTLY? SINCE MALWARE GENERALLY HAS TO OPERATE ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF CAN DO (running as limited class/least privlege user, hopefully, OR even as ADMIN/ROOT/SUPERUSER)? HOSTS "LOCK IN" malware too, vs. communicating "back to mama" for orders (provided they have name servers + C&C botnet servers listed in them, blocked off in your HOSTS that is) - you might think they use a hardcoded IP, which IS possible, but generally they do not & RECYCLE domain/host names they own (such as has been seen with the RBN (Russian Business Network) lately though it was considered "dead", other malwares are using its domains/hostnames now, & this? This stops that cold, too - Bonus!)...

21.) Custom HOSTS files gain users back more "screen real estate" by blocking out banner ads... it's great on PC's for speed along with MORE of what I want to see/read (not ads), & efficiency too, but EVEN BETTER ON SMARTPHONES - by far. It matters MOST there imo @ least, in regards to extra screen real-estate.

Still - It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock ( [] ), IE 9's new TPL's ( [] ), &/or NoScript ( [] especially this one, as it covers what HOSTS files can't in javascript which is the main deliverer of MOST attacks online & SECUNIA.COM can verify this for anyone really by looking @ the past few years of attacks nowadays), for the concept of "layered security"....

It's just that HOSTS files offer you a LOT MORE gains than Adblock ( [] ) does alone (as hosts do things adblock just plain cannot & on more programs, for more speed, security, and "stealth" to a degree even), and it corrects problems in DNS (as shown above via hardcodes of your favorite sites into your HOSTS file, and more (such as avoiding DNS request logs)).

ALSO - Some more notes on DNS servers & their problems, very recent + ongoing ones:


DNS flaw reanimates slain evil sites as ghost domains: []


BIND vs. what the Chinese are doing to DNS lately? See here: []



(Yes, even "security pros" are helpless vs. DNS problems in code bugs OR redirect DNS poisoning issues, & they can only try to "set the DNS record straight" & then, they still have to wait for corrected DNS info. to propogate across all subordinate DNS servers too - lagtime in which folks DO get "abused" in mind you!)


DNS vs. the "Kaminsky DNS flaw", here (and even MORE problems in DNS than just that): []

(Seems others are saying that some NEW "Bind9 flaw" is worse than the Kaminsky flaw ALONE, up there, mind you... probably corrected (hopefully), but it shows yet again, DNS hassles (DNS redirect/DNS poisoning) being exploited!)


Moxie Marlinspike's found others (0 hack) as well...

Nope... "layered security" truly IS the "way to go" - hacker/cracker types know it, & they do NOT want the rest of us knowing it too!...

(So until DNSSEC takes "widespread adoption"? HOSTS are your answer vs. such types of attack, because the 1st thing your system refers to, by default, IS your HOSTS file (over say, DNS server usage). There are decent DNS servers though, such as OpenDNS, ScrubIT, or even NORTON DNS (more on each specifically below), & because I cannot "cache the entire internet" in a HOSTS file? I opt to use those, because I have to (& OpenDNS has been noted to "fix immediately", per the Kaminsky flaw, in fact... just as a sort of reference to how WELL they are maintained really!)


DNS Hijacks Now Being Used to Serve Black Hole Exploit Kit: []


DNS experts admit some of the underlying foundations of the DNS protocol are inherently weak: []


Potential 0-Day Vulnerability For BIND 9: []


Five DNS Threats You Should Protect Against: []


DNS provider decked by DDoS dastards: []


Ten Percent of DNS Servers Still Vulnerable: (so much for "conscientious patching", eh? Many DNS providers weren't patching when they had to!) []




TimeWarner DNS Hijacking: []


DNS Re-Binding Attacks: []


DNS Server Survey Reveals Mixed Security Picture: []


Halvar figured out super-secret DNS vulnerability: []


BIND Still Susceptible To DNS Cache Poisoning: []


DNS Poisoning Hits One of China's Biggest ISPs: []


DDoS Attacks Via DNS Recursion: []


High Severity BIND DNS Vulnerability Advisory Issued: []


Photobucket's DNS Records Hijacked: []


Protecting Browsers from DNS Rebinding Attacks: []


DNS Problem Linked To DDoS Attacks Gets Worse: []


HOWEVER - Some DNS servers are "really good stuff" vs. phishing, known bad sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malware-in-general & malicious scripting, botnet C&C servers, & more, such as:

Norton DNS -> []
ScrubIT DNS -> []
OpenDNS -> []

(Norton DNS in particular, is exclusively for blocking out malware, for those of you that are security-conscious. ScrubIT filters pr0n material too, but does the same, & OpenDNS does phishing protection. Each page lists how & why they work, & why they do so. Norton DNS can even show you its exceptions lists, plus user reviews & removal procedures requests, AND growth stats (every 1/2 hour or so) here -> [] so, that ought to "take care of the naysayers" on removal requests, &/or methods used plus updates frequency etc./et al...)

HOWEVER - There's ONLY 1 WEAKNESS TO ANY network defense, including HOSTS files (vs. host-domain name based threats) & firewalls (hardware router type OR software type, vs. IP address based threats): Human beings, & they not being 'disciplined' about the indiscriminate usage of javascript (the main "harbinger of doom" out there today online), OR, what they download for example... & there is NOTHING I can do about that! (Per Dr. Manhattan of "The Watchmen", ala -> "I can change almost anything, but I can't change human nature")

HOWEVER AGAIN - That's where NORTON DNS, OpenDNS, &/or ScrubIT DNS help!

(Especially for noob/grandma level users who are unaware of how to secure themselves in fact, per a guide like mine noted above that uses "layered-security" principles!)

ScrubIT DNS, &/or OpenDNS are others alongside Norton DNS (adding on phishing protection too) as well!

( & it's possible to use ALL THREE in your hardware NAT firewalling routers, and, in your Local Area Connection DNS properties in Windows where you can "layer in" as many of them as you like, for again, "Layered Security"/"Defense-in-Depth" too - however: IF you are on a work LAN or even HOME LAN that uses Active Directory? Using these DNS servers can "mess up" MX mail records OR things like Outlook (full in Office) bindings to Exchange Servers since AD is HEAVILY DNS dep/bendent - ask your network administrator or test yourself first using those tools to make sure it doesn't happen to you (this is MOSTLY for "single system 'standalone' machine" users but it works great & supplements what YOU locally control in custom HOSTS files, with better filtered vs. malicious exploits of all kinds online DNS servers))...




"Ever since I've installed a host file ( to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)

"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363) Homepage Journal

"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752) Homepage Journal

"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: [] " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)

"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)

"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)

"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050) Homepage Journal

"you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage

"APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment." - by Culture20 (968837) on Thursday November 17, @10:08AM (#38085666)

"I also use the MVPS ad blocking hosts file." - by Rick17JJ (744063) on Wednesday January 19, @03:04PM (#34931482)

"I use ad-Block and a hostfile" - by Ol Olsoc (1175323) on Tuesday March 01, @10:11AM (#35346902)

"I do use Hosts, for a couple fake domains I use." - by icebraining (1313345) on Saturday December 11, @09:34AM (#34523012) Homepage

"It's a good write up on something everybody should use, why you were modded down is beyond me. Using a HOSTS file, ADblock is of no concern and they can do what they want." - by Trax3001BBS (2368736) on Monday December 12, @10:07PM (#38351398) Homepage Journal

"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. [] and [] FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)

"Let me introduce you to the file: /etc/hosts" - by fahrbot-bot (874524) on Monday December 19, @05:03PM (#38427432)

"I use a hosts file" - by EdIII (1114411) on Tuesday December 13, @01:17PM (#38357816)

"I'm tempted to go for a hacked hosts file that simply resolves most advert sites to" - by bLanark (123342) on Tuesday December 13, @01:13PM (#38357760)

"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525) Homepage Journal

"A hosts file certainly does not require "a lot of work" to maintain, and it quite effectively kills a LOT of advertising and tracking schemes. . In fact, I never would have considered trying to use it for ddefending against viruses or malware." - by RocketRabbit (830691) on Thursday December 30 2010, @05:48PM (#34715060)

"That is, do the things you would normally do to secure your own machine from malware, intrusive advertising, and vulnerabilities. Use the hosts file to block certain domains from being accessible." - by wickerprints (1094741) on Friday June 22, @12:57AM (#40407865)

"Ad blocking hosts file, I use it as an adult ;-) [] " - by RJFerret (1279530) on Friday June 22, @01:15AM (#40407983) Homepage

"There is probably a decent list of domains out there that you can put in your hosts file so that lookups for these fail. I assume you're more concerned about accidental adverts and such, which is a fair concern considering how many sites have em" - by ieatcookies (1490517) on Friday June 22, @01:21AM (#40408005)

"I find mapping hosts to is faster, because it's not a valid IP address, so the DNS subsystem of your OS will ignore it without trying to connect. There are several hostfile collections out there. I merged three of them several years ago just for my own freedom from ads and other junk. I currently have 131572 host names zero'd out." - by Dracos (107777) on Friday June 22, @01:34AM (#40408085)

"I also use linux a lot more now and, beyond a custom hosts file, don't have any active antivirus software beyond what comes with Ubuntu" - by sneakyimp (1161443) on Friday June 22, @04:26PM (#40416169)


Then, there is also the words of respected security expert, Mr. Oliver Day, from SECURITYFOCUS.COM to "top that all off" as well:


Some "PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS" to back up my points with (for starters):


"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."

Speed, and security, is the gain... others like Mr. Day note it as well!


"From what I have seen in my research, major efforts to share lists of unwanted hosts began gaining serious momentum earlier this decade. The most popular appear to have started as a means to block advertising and as a way to avoid being tracked by sites that use cookies to gather data on the user across Web properties. More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware."

Per my points exactly, no less... & guess who was posting about HOSTS files a 14++ yrs. or more back & Mr. Day was reading & now using? Yours truly (& this is one of the later ones, from 2001 [] (but the example HOSTS file with my initials in it is FAR older, circa 1998 or so) or thereabouts, and referred to later by a pal of mine who moderates (where I posted on HOSTS for YEARS (1997 onwards)) -> [] !


"Shared host files could be beneficial for other groups as well. Human rights groups have sought after block resistant technologies for quite some time. The GoDaddy debacle with NMap creator Fyodor (corrected) showed a particularly vicious blocking mechanism using DNS registrars. Once a registrar pulls a website from its records, the world ceases to have an effective way to find it. Shared host files could provide a DNS-proof method of reaching sites, not to mention removing an additional vector of detection if anyone were trying to monitor the use of subversive sites. One of the known weaknesses of the Tor system, for example, is direct DNS requests by applications not configured to route such requests through Tor's network."

There you go: AND, it also works vs. the "KAMINSKY DNS FLAW" & DNS poisoning/redirect attacks, for redirectable weaknesses in DNS servers (non DNSSEC type, & set into recursive mode especially) and also in the TOR system as well (that lends itself to anonymous proxy usage weaknesses I noted above also) and, you'll get to sites you want to, even IF a DNS registrar drops said websites from its tables as shown here Beating Censorship By Routing Around DNS -> [] & even DNSBL also (DNS Block Lists) -> [] as well - DOUBLE-BONUS!


* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 37++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> []
HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service:2011 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2011 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE:2011 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] IN HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> [] (still says INSIGHTFUL)
HOSTS MOD UP vs. botnet: 2012 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP vs. SOPA act: 2012 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP vs. FaceBook b.s.: 2012 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP "how to secure smartphones": 2012 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP "Free Apps Eat your Battery via ad displays": 2012 -> []
HOSTS MOD UP "How I only hardcode in 50 of my fav. sites": 2012 -> []
HOSTS vs. BANNER ADS AT uTorrent: 2012 -> []


* "Here endeth the lesson..." and, if you REALLY want to secure your system? Please refer to this: []


P.S.=> SOME MINOR "CAVEATS/CATCH-22's" - things to be aware of for "layered security" + HOSTS file performance - easily overcome, or not a problem at all - ALL of them may not fit here, but if you want them in FULL, A-G? Ask - I can post them in a subsequent followup reply:

A.) HOSTS files don't function under PROXY SERVERS (except for Proximitron, which has a filter that allows it) - Which is *the "WHY"* of why I state in my "P.S." section below to use both AdBlock type browser addon methods (or even built-in block lists browsers have such as Opera's URLFILTER.INI file, & FireFox has such as list as does IE also in the form of TPL (tracking protection lists -> [] , good stuff )) in combination with HOSTS, for the best in "layered security" (alongside .pac files + custom cascading style sheets that can filter off various tags such as scripts or ads etc.) - but proxies, especially "HIGHLY ANONYMOUS" types, generally slow you down to a CRAWL online (& personally, I cannot see using proxies "for the good" typically - as they allow "truly anonymous posting" & have bugs (such as TOR has been shown to have & be "bypassable/traceable" via its "onion routing" methods)).

B.) HOSTS files (relatively "largish ones") require you to turn off Windows' native "DNS local client cache service" (which has a problem in that it's d

Re:Buy cheap Viagra? (2)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005203)

They use Wordpress and got hacked with the Pharma Hack [] . I wrote to their webmaster and explained the problem and sent them some links. They have since upgraded their version of Wordpress and secured the site. But, they still have junk in their database that needs to be cleaned out. He told me that they are working to correct the problem.

No Turing phase for tesla? (4, Informative)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 2 years ago | (#41003973)

More Info here :p []

But seriously, in this era of re-discovering and correctly honouring scientists for their hard-work and genius (like Alan Turing is now rightly getting, for example) why is Tesla still languishing? I mean, either, way, it was god-damn American* guy who made the light bulb, who cares which one it was? I think the US govt should buck up and admit they dun goofed, just like the Uk govt did with Turing.

*Wikipedia [] says he was an american citizen

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (2)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004081)

But seriously, in this era of re-discovering and correctly honouring scientists for their hard-work and genius (like Alan Turing is now rightly getting, for example) why is Tesla still languishing?

At the risk of sounding somewhat sweeping in my exemplary generalization:

Tesla is lauded in good measure wheresoever geeks may chance upon others of their kind.

Is this not enough to warm the rotting cockles of Mr. T's decaying corporeal matter?

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006271)

Is this not enough to warm the rotting cockles of Mr. T's decaying corporeal matter?

For anyone else who was confused, BA Baracus/Clubber Lane/ Mr. "I pity the fool" T is still alive. [] Pegasustonans was talking about Tesla here.

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (5, Insightful)

crgrace (220738) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004281)

Langushing? Come on. He was played by David Bowie in a movie, and the coolest car company around is named Telsa.

Tesla has a lot more name recognition in the general public (and certainly among technical people) than scientists such as Shannon, Nyquist, and von Neumann who arguably did at least as much to usher in the modern world than Tesla.

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41006237)

Let us not forget the namesake band.

Oh that's right: long-haired freaky people need not apply.

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41006933)

Not to mention the SI unit for magnetic field strength. I don't recall ever having to do dimensional analysis involving "Edisons".

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004897)

Er, the UK government chemically castrated Alan Turing. Did the US do similar to Tesla? If not, then what the heck does the US government have to admit to?

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005291)

I think the US govt should buck up and admit they dun goofed, just like the Uk govt did with Turing.

That will happen when it's politically advantageous. If you can get 1 million people voting in Ohio for the guy who favors Tesla, then you will have both candidates falling over themselves to say something nice about Tesla.

(Then saying how evil the other party was for what happened, and that if there were more/less regulation it wouldn't have happened, and if there were more/less judicial oversight/activism it wouldn't have happened, and if only we'd taxed more/less it wouldn't have happened).

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005319)

No one ever ignored Turing. Furthermore, his death was politicized from the get-go, first by the government (see? homosexuality and other degenerate lifestyles lead to tragic suicide) and then by gay advocacy pressure groups (the evil government drove him to suicide), when there was never any real indication that he intentionally poisoned himself to begin with. He was fucking around with chemicals in his basement without following any kind of safety procedures.

As for Tesla, the unit of magnetic flux density is named after him. Now, he was clearly the best electrical engineer of all time, and deserves more attention than the businessman Edison, but he's not exactly ignored.

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41006151)

Quoth any non-geek who hasn't seen Sanctuary: "Who?"
Quoth any non-geek who has: "You mean that vampire guy?"

Now re: Edison

Quoth any five year old: He invented the lightbulb!

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (1)

adisakp (705706) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006471)

But seriously, in this era of re-discovering and correctly honouring scientists for their hard-work and genius why is Tesla still languishing?

Maybe this American home-school textbook can explain why Tesla isn't appreciated [] .

Re:No Turing phase for tesla? (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006541)

But seriously, in this era of re-discovering and correctly honouring scientists for their hard-work and genius (like Alan Turing is now rightly getting, for example) why is Tesla still languishing?

No, Alan Turing has been overhyped for nearly thirty years, and the same goes for Tesla.


Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41003981)

But, what the fuck is "the oatmeal"?


Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004093)

A terribly unfunny web comic.


xSander (1227106) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008233)

A terribly unfunny web comic.

Really? You must not like cynicism. Either that or the topics he usually posts about.

good marketing (1, Informative)

crgrace (220738) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004157)

This Oatmeal guy sure is milking his Tesla fetish and the Forbes "controversy" for all it's worth. Good for him.

Money goes straight to foundation... (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004435)

The Oatmeal is not getting any money from this kickstarter (not really a kickstarter but you know what I mean).

I really get way more of a sense, that he's on a real mission here regardless of what it does for income.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (1)

crgrace (220738) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004471)

No he may not be getting any money directly, but he's getting attention, which is worth its weight in gold (and page views). He's on the front page of Slashdot AGAIN, as well as Forbes, etc. Maybe he is on a "real mission", but if so, why would he say "Goddamned Museum"? That sounds like his shtick.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004531)

if so, why would he say "Goddamned Museum"? That sounds like his shtick.

That's how he thinks. And why would he NOT say that if he's really irked at how Telsa has been treated or forgotten over the years?

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004833)

Forgotten by having the SI unit of magnetic flux density named after him.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41009099)

You have to remember, Oatmeal is not actually interested in Tesla, just the nerd mythos surrounding him. Theres no place for science or actual facts there.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (5, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005533)

People sometimes forget that this kind of piggyback marketing is his professional expertise, which he's done for longer than he's done the comic. Before he did The Oatmeal, he was an SEO consultant who would get people's domains ranked higher by making infographics to host there that he'd get to "go viral" on Reddit/etc. For example, you have some shady company selling penis-enlargement pills. You hire him, and draws you an infographic along the lines of FIVE CRAZY WACKY FACTS ABOUT PHALLUSES. That gets passed around a lot, and now your penis-enlargement domain has higher PageRank for a bunch of dong-related search terms.

Nowadays a bigger part of his deal is the actual content (since it's popular in its own right), but he's still really good at this kind of marketing.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (3, Insightful)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007095)

The fact that he is good at marketing his work doesn't invalidate the quality of his work.

Re:Money goes straight to foundation... (2)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005805)

If Tesla gets a museum out of it, why does that matter, exactly?

Why the hell do people keep talking about The Oatm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004231)

eal? It's the most retarded, badly drawn, unfunny webcomic ever created. There is nothing good about it in any way, yet he is instantly in the Slashdot news on the front page. What's next? "The Oatmeal" takes a dump? Gotta write about that!

Re:Why the hell do people keep talking about The O (2)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005235)

Maybe if you would listen to what he's saying and stop getting hung up on his name you'd understand why people like him.

Re:Why the hell do people keep talking about The O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005671)

Dude didn't get hung up on his name.

You're either dyslexic or as nuts as your fapfodder Tesla was in the autumn of his life.

Cool (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41004587)

Just as long as the museum isn't filled with as many inaccuracies as the Oatmeal piece was. Otherwise we're going to have a museum filled with "facts" that paint Tesla as a god who would have given the world free power, ended all wars, solved world hunger, and developed the ultimate recipe for apple pie, and Edison as a drooling idiot who couldn't have tied his shoes, let alone improve on the lightbulb, aid in the development of a system to deliver electrical current across long distances, and severely advance the technology of the basis of our modern medical imaging technology. (cue the rants about Clarence Dally, who had been victimized by Edison, despite the fact that Dally was a willing participant and we simply didn't know how dangerous X-rays were at the time. Look into every advance the science of radioactive materials in the first half of the 20th century, and you will find at least one Dally in each of them).

They both were geniuses. They both were flawed.
Without both of their contributions to science, I wouldn't be typing this (electricity is efficiently delivered to my house in the form of alternating current. A nifty little device translates that alternating current into direct current, which is what runs my computer).

Re:Cool (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005297)

The Tesla/Edison thing does tend to get overstated a bit, but your last example doesn't actually include any contributions from Edison.

It's precisely the system that Westinghouse and Tesla were advocating, and the adoption of which Edison tried to stop because he was so invested in DC power distribution. It's not like he invented the concept of direct current itself.

Re:Cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41007745)

Edison was simply ahead of his time.

DC *is* safer than AC for distribution (somewhat marginal) -- AC certainly isn't any safer.. and DC is more efficient for transmission! It is a fucking bitch to convert DC, that is all.. In the 1800s the only conversion methods were mechanical, later on there were electrochemical means, then finally solid state. The latter may eventually supplant all use of AC for distribution and transmission.
Long distance transmission is done via DC these days often. A good chunk of losses are still in the conversion at either end, but the conduction loss offset makes it a win over AC. The conversion equipment is expensive too.
DC-DC conversion for distribution gets better and cheaper and more economical with each passing year. Wouldn't surprise me that direct DC becomes the norm in some years.

Re:Cool (1)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008395)

Tom, log in, please! Don't be a stranger here.

Re:Cool (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007099)

They both were geniuses. They both were flawed.

Well said. You don't have to turn it into hero-worship and hate the other guy like they were some 17th century mathematicians. You can actually like both of them.

Shoreham: Middle of Nowhere, Long Island (1)

splitsevin (953745) | more than 2 years ago | (#41004985)

Just a quick 90-100 minute jaunt in traffic from Manhattan into the heart of one of the least exciting places in all of New York. There is literally NOTHING out there unless you're on your way to the vineyards. I can't see this being a big tourist attraction which something like a Tesla museum deserves. Boo.

Re:Shoreham: Middle of Nowhere, Long Island (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005259)

Maybe a world class scientific lab and museum is exactly what they need? When it gets built, I plan to visit.

Frantastic Idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005013)

That's just super. Maybe after that, they can do a fundraiser to hire someone to come up with a less moronic name for their weblog.

Captcha: penus

I would but... (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005105)

.... what happens if they get the money, get the matching contribution from NY, and the other party simply raises their bid and gets the property? At that point the funds are committed and there's no way to get them back to the contributors who contributed via indiegogo.

Too, indiegogo charges a fee, don't they? That further complicates it (and also means the 850k goal is not enough).

Re:I would but... (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005275)

In other words: "I'm a cheap bastard and I don't want to contribute". You must be a load of fun at pizza parties. You're the type of guy who eats 10 slices and then complains that it was soggy and doesn't want to pay.

Re:I would but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005559)

Actually, he's the type of guy who says "I'll put in $10 for the pizza, but only if it's actually delivered." Shock and horror. People want shit for their money?

Re:I would but... (1)

HistoryNerd (325402) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005475)

The actual current asking price is 1.6 million, so if they meet their goal with the matching funds from New York State, they would be clearly above this with 1.7 million dollars. (The Indiegogo fee is only 4% at that point.)

It should be noted that they will need additional money to actually turn the building into a museum, so that where any money beyond the amount needed to buy the property will go.

I would view it as unlikely the other developer will win by raising the bid because the company in question is not required to necessarily sell to the highest bidder, and if they refused to sell at the 1.6 million amount and even a bit higher, the company in question could be looking at boycott threats and a large amount of bad publicity if they don't sell the property to the foundation. Under these circumstances, local politicians might suggest there could be permitting issues and other regulatory problems with tearing down the historic property as the developer desires in order to scare them off.

If its truly not possible to refund the money and the sale does not go through, presumably the non-profit in question would dedicate the money towards creating a Tesla museum and science center somewhere else in the New York City general area.

It's about time (5, Insightful)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005177)

A lot of people make fun of the Tesla vs. Edison thing but, think about it: this man invented the modern world and nobody knows (or cares). I went through elementary, middle, and high school in America. Then, I went to college. I never once learned about Nikola Tesla. I didn't find out who he was until I was in my mid twenties. I read a biography about him and was blown away. This guy helped to create everything that I used on a daily basis and I had no idea who he was. It was sad really.

It's about time that the geeks and scientists of the world step up and pay this man some respect. He DESERVES a museum in his honor in the USA. He deserves a place in the science curriculum. Children of today deserve to learn the truth about Tesla and all the ideas that he gave us. I just chipped in and I'm going to help to spread the word. It's time to give Telsa the recognition he deserves.

Re:It's about time (-1, Flamebait)

HarrySquatter (1698416) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005907)

You apparently went to a shitty school. I learned about Tesla in a number of science classes. Just because you went to some crap school doesn't mean I owe some internet retard money.

Re:It's about time (2)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007049)

Aren't you an angry little boy.

Just to clarify to other people: the Oatmeal guy isn't actually getting any money; it's going directly to the Tesla Science Center, a 503(c) non-profit organization: []

Re:It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41009133)

Except for the >$50k/mo in page views he makes, aided by such publicity stunts. Don't forget the merch sales... I'm a big Oat fan, but the guy doesn't JUST do these things out of the goodness of his heart, he's making bank. I've been following his traffic, the debacle with Funkyjunk was a blessing for his revenue.

Also to the GP and GGP argument, if you got any sort of general science education and did not learn about Tesla, you really did get a bad education.

Sweet Jesus, you aren't kidding. (2)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006407)

I wrote a paper on him for this gorgeous blonde who was struggling for one of her requisite classes for nursing. I got to help the world have another pretty, dumb blonde nurse, you are welcome world. I also got to read up on this guy, he's the superhero of science. The reason we don't know about him is because of the Cold War, you couldn't say nice things about people from that neighborhood. If you are my age or older and went through it, you will know wtf I am on about.

Sadly we've never given credit where credit is due. What I want to know is, have the FBI ever turned loose all of his papers that they ransacked from his dwelling when he died? I don't want whacked for asking, forget I said anything if it's sensitive. At some point in time as a student of things engineering since I was a crafty ornery lad, I would love to see his later works that he kept. Or not, you know what I mean. They are probably in a PDF some place, and I have missed them, like walking by a barn looking for it.

Re:It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008221)

Same here. Schools teach edison was THE inventor. Tesla was a footnote. at best. even in electronics schools.

The man was a fucking genius and our entire modern world would not exist as it does today if it wasnt for him..
He just didnt understand american business tactics. That of greed and douchebaggery.

Sitting here in my a/c cooled house with my ac power and my tv and cable internet and wireless network and computers and radios all the way down to the motors in my fans... Tesla is directly responsible for all those things. ALL of the technology around me right now.

Now the real sad part is... Imagine what we could have today if tesla had the proper backing and support. How many inventions and ideas did he never tell anyone about after getting screwed over so hard so many times?

Excessive greed. It fucks up everything. We let tesla get screwed over at the time. And we screwed our entire future.
Just so some already rich people could make even more money...

We STILL dont know everything he knew, or invented, or imagined. Almost 100 years ago.

No. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005231)

Using the Lord's name in vain as their tagline?

It's a great idea, but with that kind of marketing - no thanks.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41005759)

Uhhh last time I checked The Lord is a Monkey []

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41006825)

I prefer to use terms like darn, heck, and farshing spagma machine.

I'm donating (1)

Yosho-sama (800703) | more than 2 years ago | (#41005767)

I'm giving $10, not only because I believe in the validity of the project, but because off the goddamn name.

Would love to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41006163)

...but if I donate $5,000 I have to stay at a hotel in NY in January? ;)

There already is a Tesla Museum... (1)

t4ng* (1092951) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006489)

TheOatmeal is dead wrong...

There is no Tesla Museum in the United States

Really? Not even this one? [] Tesla moved to Colorado to continue his experiments and to stupid lightening. Maybe Matthew Inman should learn to use that Google thingie on the intertubes.

Re:There already is a Tesla Museum... (2)

will_die (586523) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007151)

There use to be one in Colorado Springs but closed a few years ago due to lack of money.

Re:There already is a Tesla Museum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008647)

That closed...!? Damnit... When the hell did that happen?

Re:There already is a Tesla Museum... (2)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007171)

That's not a museum. That's a new age hippie bullshit pyramid scheme claiming to be a museum. Their entire "about us" page is about how they are in no way related to the Tesla society down the street that "mysteriously" went bankrupt.

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Re:There already is a Tesla Museum... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007813)

can you find an actual address on that page and times it's open?
no? I couldn't. it doesn't seem like they have an actual museum.

Anti-Copyright'rs | Where are you now? (2)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006569)

Tesla was possibly one of the most brightly shining anti-proprietary knights in history -- intrinsically opposed to patent-trollery and obsessed with the upliftment and betterment of society. Yes, he took patents, as Stallman might willingly defile himself on an internet running through proprietary cables in order to do his work. Even the Buddha made a compromise along the way. Survival is especially tempting when you have epic (to say the least ) ideas. But I can think of no greater example than Tesla when considering the concept of open-source contributions to society. Ravaged and cabbaged by Morgans, Westinghouses, Edisons and government zombies, he lived humbly and ceaselessly contemplative to his last day, and on that day, a pigeon trumped humanity, as a deep and special etch in the key of utopia nearly died alone, if not for his feathered friend.

And yet his name goes generally unmentioned throughout academia. In the realm of geeks his name is reminiscent not of a champion of transparent innovation, but of tinfoil and jokes. Yet he came to the US and was handed a shovel, with which he toiled and dug while thinking of how such labor might be accomplished without breaking not his own back, but the backs of his fellows.

With no less honor than another ever had, Tesla sat beside and discussed the world with Einstein. And though not always eye to eye, a mutual respect was held. Mark Twain was also a friend of Tesla, and I'd myself not dare pass through a harsher judge of character than his.

But maybe one is best judged not by their friends, but by their foes. And it may be worth asking what these foes have given to society without receiving their plunder and more. By the very gift that innovation is supposed to be, the variety pandered by some has brought luxury to others, but a sure promise of suffering to many more if persistent in the same direction. While the gap between now and then is wide and filled with complexities, I think a solid look into Tesla will reveal that this path we've chosen is something entirely different at the very core from what he had in mind. My guess is that in a world where super-geniuses don't die in poverty beside pigeons, but live well amongst their peers and share their creativity freely, that although it's not the world we're in, it's the world we should strive for. A museum seems a pittance, but a due and positive one anyway.

Very recently? (1)

humanrev (2606607) | more than 2 years ago | (#41006779)

So what's this then from over three years ago (also with a listed price of $1.6 million)? []

Anyone who knows more, please let me/us know.

Re:Very recently? (1)

HistoryNerd (325402) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007173)

The key difference is there is now a developer willing to pay the price and who wants to flatten the site and turn it into a retail space, so the foundation has basically been given 6 weeks to come up with the money or the site and building is going to get sold and leveled.

The other huge difference is the State of New York has now pledged matching donations up to 850,000 dollars to buy the site and start work on the museum, which makes reaching the goal more viable.

good news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41007637)

like Shirley implied I'm startled that people able to profit $6461 in 1 month on the internet. did you see this page

Yes, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41007801)

will it have Tesla coils towering over the parking lot?

A retail outlet? (2)

EdgePenguin (2646733) | more than 2 years ago | (#41007865)

What the hell? I've visited America, and I was not struck by any great shortage of a) land or b) retail outlets. Why do they have to try and build one on this historic site?

Re:A retail outlet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41008465)

Becuase the land's there and their market analysis (Mainly pulling numbers out their ass over their heads...) told them that this was a GREAT location for their shopping center.

I'm kind of surprised anyone's got 1.7 mil to spend on anything like that right at the moment. More impressive is that there's all sorts of locations relatively nearby that could be rennovated, etc. Typical stupid waste they call "progress".

Re:A retail outlet? (1)

EdgePenguin (2646733) | more than 2 years ago | (#41008523)

One would hope that the first sniff of a serious bidding war would cause them to reconsider and go for a plot of land that would be the subject of a nerd fundraising campaign.
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