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UK Authorities Threaten To Storm Ecuadorian Embassy To Arrest Julian Assange

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the long-arm-of-the-law dept.

Crime 1065

paulmac84 writes "According to the BBC, the UK have issued a threat to storm the Ecuadorian Embassy to arrest Julian Assange. Under the terms of the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 the UK has the right to revoke the diplomatic immunity of any embassy on UK soil. Ecuador are due to announce their decision on Assange's asylum request on Thursday morning."

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Yeah (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004099)

Because they are really bothered about that possible rape charge against him.

Re:Yeah (5, Interesting)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 2 years ago | (#41004233)

It's not even really rape; note that his so called crime only carries a crappy fine as punishment. Oh, and he isn't being charged either. The police just want to ask him some questions; something they normally do over the phone in cases like this, or perhaps send over some officers to the UK for an interview. Nothing that warrants the Interpol warrant (which was issued against the rules), and certainly nothing worth storming an embassy for.

Re:Yeah (5, Insightful)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004357)

And they want him back in Gothenburg (Goteborg), not Stockholm, very, very odd --- oh yeah, that's where "Extreme Rendition Airlines" a k a, Jeppesen Systems AB is located!

Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#41004427)

No matter if the guy has raped that Swedish girl or not, - that's not the main point, for that "rape story" has become an excuse for UK to take action on behalf of Uncle Sam/

By doing so, UK no longer honors its own sovereignty.

A sovereign nation is like a free, dignified person, an entity that takes up action to protect it/him/herself, and has the freedom to do whatever it/he/she wants to do.

United Kingdom, by threatening to storm the embassy of another nation, over a person whom we all know Uncle Sam wants, is no longer a nation which I respect - and I suspect I am not alone in not regarding UK as a dignified country no more.
 

Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004523)

But you were cool with them taking about half the countries on the damn planet as colonies, and dividing a bunch of them up at random paying no attention to existing tribal lines causing centuries of bloodshed? That part was alright, but the threat of storming an embassy was just one straw too many?

Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#41004573)

But you were cool with them

A little reminder: neither you nor I were alive when that happened. This kind of dipshit thinking is what keeps places like the middle east at war for 5000 years.

Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004533)

A sovereign nation is like a free, dignified person, an entity that takes up action to protect it/him/herself, and has the freedom to do whatever it/he/she wants to do.

You must be ok with corporate personhood... good to hear!

Re:Unfortunately, UK has become Uncle Sam's lapdog (5, Insightful)

second_coming (2014346) | about 2 years ago | (#41004569)

The British government are not the country, I doubt there are many people in the UK who would support this action and even fewer who are happy with the way the government sucks up to the US.

Re:Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004457)

May the farce be with them.

That is all.

Re:Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004515)

Don't see how this is a good move for UK. Just brings Assange back into the news again AND makes him more believable.

Even if the crime does call for a jail term, if he's stuck in an embassy for years, then that's already his jail term. An embassy is probably more pleasant than prison but still.

Re:Yeah (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004557)

It has nothing to do with any rape allegations. It has everything to do with the fact the US plans to send him to Syria for a few years of torture before murdering him. These are the stated goals of the US, and the US has done this many many times before.

Bringing up rape charges is about as irrelevant as claiming the police only want to arrest James Holmes [wikipedia.org] due to a parking ticket.

Re:Yeah (2)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about 2 years ago | (#41004539)

Because they are really bothered about that possible rape charge against him.

Why would they _not_ be worried about such a charge?
And why would they _not_ be worried about the embassy being used to circumvent the law?

He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41004105)

Impressive. I think this is the first time I've heard anyone threaten to storm an embassy. I haven't even seen the Chinese do this. Note to everyone: this is what happens if you threaten to thoroughly upend the balance of power, expose secrets everywhere, and generally fuck with people in power. If you do this, you better make sure you have an equally strong power backing you. Otherwise, you will spend the rest of your life in jail, regardless of whether you actually broke any laws.

On the upside, props to Assange. I don't think he saw this coming, but I do think that what he did was a service to the world.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004135)

If the UK does this, I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot of countries pulling their embassies from the there. This isn't a fucking James Bond movie - this is real life. What good is an embassy if it's not sovereign ground?

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Insightful)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41004255)

The point is they never have to do it. They only have to threaten to do it and Ecuador has no other choice but to cave in. They cannot afford to go to war with UK or even spoil relations with the UK through a diplomatic spat. Even though they know that the UK wouldnt never do it, the slight chance of that happening would be too much for them.
 
A very clever move. I am pretty sure Ecuador will cave.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41004583)

Say Ecuador calls their bluff. Can the UK storm in and show the world what a real US lapdog looks like? The fact that they would even threaten this shit shows just how FUCKED the world is right now.

He's ONE MAN. He's not breaking into your secure places and leaking your dirty fucking secrets. No, IT'S YOUR OWN PEOPLE who see the corruption and go to him to help them right the wrongs they see. Get rid of Assagnge. "Just do it"(tm). It won't change the fact YOUR OWN PEOPLE have moral problems with the wrongs going down. The right thing to do is STOP DOING EVIL. If you don't think that "making an example" of Assange will just embolden EVERYONE who is privy to questionable government bullshit to find another spokesperson and get the word out, then you really have no idea how Brits and Americans think.

You think "The Streisand Effect" is bad? Just wait till we have an excuse to coin the term "The Assange Effect".

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004597)

They cannot afford to go to war with UK or even spoil relations with the UK through a diplomatic spat.

I'm not so "sure Ecuador will cave", as you state. They have stated part of why they explored the notion of asylum was because of the diplomatic cables [reuters.com] showing the ghetto of US foreign policy. I applaud that move - dirty policits are even dirtier when aired.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Interesting)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41004611)

If i were Ecuador i would sneak him out a week or so before they announce that he is going to be leaving. that way when the storm the embassy looking for him they will come of as fools and in the process and causing a international incident of epic proportion gaining huge amounts of distrust of england internationally.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Informative)

The Rizz (1319) | about 2 years ago | (#41004613)

Ecuador has no other choice but to cave in. They cannot afford to go to war with UK

Are you sure you don't have that backwards? If the UK initiates an act of war against another foreign power, especially over something as controversial as this, they'll have a lot of foreign powers extremely pissed at them. They will be seen as the aggressor, and Ecuador as the underdog. This is going to cause massive problems both with foreign relations, and within their own country ("we went to war over what now!?").

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004617)

And I am pretty sure that the UK will cave when China and Russia decide not to have embassies in a country barbaric enough not to honor the diplomatic system. The world has had it up to HERE with the US, and US-inspired cowboy grandstanding.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41004263)

It's a calculated trade-off: how many countries support getting Assange behind bars, versus how many object to these types of tactics? What are the odds that Ecuador calls their bluff, versus how important is it to have Assange behind bars? How many countries will actually pull their embassies if the UK does storm the Ecuadorian embassy?

All I can say is: this shows just how much trouble he is for the powers that be. Bin Laden is the only other person to qualify for this type of treatment, and he had the good wits to disappear in the mountains of Afghanistan. Actually, I say that in the later years of the Bush administration, bin Laden was seen as less trouble than Assange.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (3, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | about 2 years ago | (#41004449)

this shows just how much trouble he is for the powers that be.

I don't understand this part - it isn't like Wikileaks will immediately power down just because Assange is in jail.
Is this simply about making an example out of him?

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004501)

Yes.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004469)

What's even more sad is even Bin Laden has the moral high ground over the US government.

It's just a shame he decided to target civilians instead of the true terrorists seated in the government. Had he done that, he would have been a world hero.

Even worse (for US citizens anyway), the US government is putting itself in the position where another sovereign government MUST take them down, for the benefit of man kind.

Up until now, the US has always been the moral "good guy" in all world wars. WW3 may very well be everyone against the USA. It's the only way to fix the US at this point, and more and more any other country has no other option but full out war against the US simply to remain sovereign.

The US has completely turned into the enemy that the US was created to fight.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Funny)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41004489)

It depends on how equador wants to play.

Situation 1)
The cave to the UK, and hand over Assange. They do this because of international pressures and the desire to play with the big boys.

Situation 2)
They staunchly refuse to hand over Assange, ad either keep him in the embassy indefinately, or concoct a wild plan to get him out of the UK. They do this because they are tired of being bullied, and want to flip the dirty dealers the bird.

Situation 3)
They refuse to give up assage, and the UK jumps the shark and makes good on its threat to smash the embassy. Equador retaliates on the world stage with a major smear campaign.

Situation 4)
Equador expects the UK to make good on the threat, hides or sneaks assange out of the country, and the UK invades the embassy. Equador shows that assange is not in the country, (Either using false footage, or real footage.) And has not been for some time, and declares the UK's actions unwarranted, and decries their intelligence agencies, and their legitimacy as a peaceful and law abiding nation.

Personally though, if I were an equadorian diplomat, here is what I would do:

Situation 5)
Fabricate a story of helping assange leave the country, and arrange the expected limo trip to an international airport. Place a costumed mannequin in the back seat with darkened windows on the limo. The UK bobbies will attempt to stop the driver. The driver avoids capture, and causes a scene, with the police escallating response. (Think "OJ simpson car chase"). The embassy plays along with the charade, deploring the UK's behavior in the matter. Once a significant portion of the local police force is engaged in the farce, load assange into the back of a delivery lorry, and discretely drive him nonchalantly to france via the chunnel, and evacuate him via plane that way. When the UK storms the embassy, they will not find him.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004599)

Situation 6)
Putin comes to UK for some unrelated diplomatic visit. On his way out, unannounced, he swings by the Ecuadorian embassy and leaves again with Assange. Nothing the UK can do; they're not going to use force to stop Putin. Putin's probably loving Assange anyway, for the egg-on-US-face aspect. He gets to play the good guy, and make the UK / US look bad in the process. Win/win for him.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Insightful)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#41004299)

Exactly. A major international incident about this?
Yeah right. This is either a rumor, posturing or somebody in London ready to do some unprecedented US ass kissing.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004511)

Exactly. A major international incident about this?
Yeah right. This is either a rumor, posturing or somebody in London ready to do some unprecedented US ass kissing.

Their nose is already so deeply embedded in their rear end, that this move would most certainly firmly lodge them inside the colon. While I have no particular love for Assange as a person, I sincerely wonder if he and his alleged crime is worth all that posturing.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004329)

Embassies everywhere aren't "sovereign", that's a myth. They do have a special status, but they exist at the pleasure of the host country, and it can revoke their status any time it likes, on any grounds it wants. That's not news. Compare the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979.

I will be surprised if they do it, because it's a very serious step, which they can avoid by just sitting outside and waiting for him to come out. Indeed, I'd be surprised to learn that they've seriously threatened to do it. What they've done is send a legalistic letter to the embassy requesting Assange, and pointing out the relevant laws regarding embassies, and the Ecuadorians are - quite predictably - trying to blow it up into a major incident. They're only "threatening to storm" anything in the same way as a DMCA takedown notice "threatens" people with arrest and imprisonment.

R,e:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

flaming error (1041742) | about 2 years ago | (#41004567)

That's exactly the point.

A law saying "the UK has the right to revoke the diplomatic immunity of any embassy on UK soil. " is self-cancelling. An embassy, by definition, is not on the host's soil, but its homeland's.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

godrik (1287354) | about 2 years ago | (#41004139)

I am completely wowed by that. Putting intervention forces in an embassy is really serious. Countrie might go to war on that. though I do not think ecuador is that much of a threat but still. I guess he still have tricks up his sleeves and they are actually afraid of him.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#41004163)

Countrie might go to war on that.

I am sure the UK is terrified by the notion of armed conflict with Equator, oh wait no.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1, Funny)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 2 years ago | (#41004215)

Dont worry, I'm sure the US will come to Ecuadors defense!

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41004177)

Except that Ecuador won't go to war over that. Russia, China, definitely, the rest of the countries probably won't, and Ecuador definitely will cave. It's a complete bluff, but one that Ecuador can't afford - or even is able - to call. Not a bad move on the part of the UK. Too bad that none of the other powers that be are willing to offer Assange asylum. Cuba and Venezuela might be interesting, but neither have any army to back up a dissent, and Venezuela isn't keen on getting embarrassed by Wikileaks either.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Insightful)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#41004375)

Possibly the question isn't will Ecuador stand and call the UK's bluff, but would the UK follow through if forced?

If the UK did in fact storm an embassy and as a consequence violate sovereign state, they are basically saying to anyone who may consider them an 'enemy' that they don't recognise consulates as sovereign territory so their own embassies in foreign countries are then at risk of incursion. Do they really want to do that in China or the Middle East or Africa or anywhere else they may have sensitive relationships?

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

jimpop (27817) | about 2 years ago | (#41004463)

The UK could simply revoke the embassy permit, even for 30 mins.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 2 years ago | (#41004187)

It's Ecuador. Do you really think the UK give a fuck about them?

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Insightful)

pegasustonans (589396) | about 2 years ago | (#41004145)

Impressive. I think this is the first time I've heard anyone threaten to storm an embassy. I haven't even seen the Chinese do this. Note to everyone: this is what happens if you threaten to thoroughly upend the balance of power, expose secrets everywhere, and generally fuck with people in power. If you do this, you better make sure you have an equally strong power backing you. Otherwise, you will spend the rest of your life in jail, regardless of whether you actually broke any laws.

On the upside, props to Assange. I don't think he saw this coming, but I do think that what he did was a service to the world.

While storming the embassy would be an immediate defeat for Assange, I can't help but think it would prove a massive victory for Wikileaks in the battle over public opinion.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41004197)

Except.... how many people actually think that what Assange is doing is right? How many would be ok with strong-arming Ecuador into giving him up? Compare that with how many people are ok to just throw him in the slammer for creating, hosting and advocating Wikileaks. This won't even register on the PR-meter.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004477)

Except.... how many people actually think that what Assange is doing is right?

A lot more people than you apparently imagine.

Not all of us are bootlickers like you.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004167)

Storming an embassy is not new. I guess you never heard about the storming of the American embassy in Tehran. [wikipedia.org]

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (3, Insightful)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#41004405)

I'm sure the current UK government longs to be thought of in the same context as Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's Iranian Revolutionary government.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004171)

The more we can do to piss of the scum hiding in our governments, the better this world will be.

Push back, eliminate the liars and thieves. Fuck em all.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004259)

Ohh, how do you plan to do this AC? Really? Start another website?

Have you got any actual *implementable* ideas?

Or are you eating Cheetos in your mothers basement?

Serious question. What *do* you plan to do?

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004309)

Storm the British Embassies and Consulates in the US.

That'll learn them good!

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004459)

So you are eating Cheetos in your mothers basement, fine.

I am asking a serious question. I want to know what *implementable* plans we are talking about here.

"Somebody set up us the bomb" does not qualify.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (3, Interesting)

subreality (157447) | about 2 years ago | (#41004239)

Also note that they're threatening to raid the embassy for someone who's alleged crime isn't even treason - this is still over the dubious sex crime charges. It's amazing that that the UK is even considering setting this kind of precedent over a moderate criminal charge, just because he kind of embarrassed them.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 2 years ago | (#41004249)

Oh, us Americans do it all the time; that whole "we have more guns than you" -- It has made us many friends overseas. I understand we were thanked by the citizens of Afghanistan in New York a few years back, in September, for a similar action. It was such a powerful gesture by the international community that we erected monuments and printed millions of bumper stickers to commemorate the occasion. Ever since, we've tried very hard to repeat that successful policy by sending peace envoys all over the world -- 150 countries and counting currently host them! We highly recommend storming embassies to any country who wants to bolster their international reputation.

Murder of Yvonne Fletcher (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004311)

They didn't even storm the Libyan Embassy when a Police officer was murdered from the Embassy itself back in (you guessed it) 1984.

The British surrounded the Embassy for 11 days, after which the Libyans reciprocated - and that is the appropriate response. Perhaps with other LatAm countries in solidarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Yvonne_Fletcher

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (3, Interesting)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004325)

And this is why VP Joey bin Biden of the USA claims Julian Assange is an international terrorist, while also proclaiming that Egypt's Mubarak wasn't a dictator.

Just a heartbeat from the presidency, huh??

Now, if Julian Assange is an international terrorist, what does that make the bloodiest of Americans, John Negroponte of Yale's Jackson Institute?

http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/negroponte2.htm [redrat.net]
http://warcriminalswatch.org/index.php/the-culpable/36-the-culprits/78-john-negroponte [warcriminalswatch.org]
http://www.ww4report.com/negropontedeathsquad [ww4report.com]
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/negroponte.htm [apfn.org]

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (1)

ImprovOmega (744717) | about 2 years ago | (#41004483)

Impressive. I think this is the first time I've heard anyone threaten to storm an embassy. I haven't even seen the Chinese do this.

See Saigon, circa April 1975 for the classic example of this actually being done.

Re:He REALLY pissed off governments.... (2, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about 2 years ago | (#41004565)

It's one thing when it happens in the context of a revolution or civil war. It's quite another when it happens between two established, stable countries which normally have peaceful relations.

Looks like the Olympics are over (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004111)

Back to the real world.

Hmnnn (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004119)

We have NOAA purchasing HP ammunition in large quantities.

DHS purchasing 450 mln rounds of HP, and then another 750mln rounds of ammo.

Now we see the SSA doing something similar.

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

Doesn't this qualify as 'stuff that matters'?

Do you trust your Democrat Overloards that much?

I think I'll be heading to Walmart myself to stock up.

Re:Hmnnn (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41004305)

We have NOAA purchasing HP ammunition in large quantities.

DHS purchasing 450 mln rounds of HP, and then another 750mln rounds of ammo.

Now we see the SSA doing something similar.

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

Doesn't this qualify as 'stuff that matters'?

Do you trust your Democrat Overloards that much?

I think I'll be heading to Walmart myself to stock up.

.357 125 gr hollow points?

About the only thing that round is good for is shooting yourself in the foot.

What total and complete wimps.

Re:Hmnnn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004381)

"About the only thing that round is good for is shooting yourself in the foot."

Perhaps so, but that's not the real question.

What does the SSA need this ammo for? What department will be arming up next, the USGS?

This is hideous (5, Insightful)

richardcavell (694686) | about 2 years ago | (#41004121)

The inviolability of an embassy is critically important to diplomatic relations. If British police set a precedent here, it will cause embassies around the world to militarize, causing tension. I hope it's just a hollow threat made by some idiot who doesn't understand the situation properly.

Re:This is hideous (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004219)

You mean the American puppet "masters"?

If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (3, Interesting)

camperslo (704715) | about 2 years ago | (#41004123)

What would Aldous Huxley say about all this? It's interesting to look at what some said over half a century ago.

On 21 October 1949, Huxley wrote to George Orwell, author of Nineteen Eighty-Four, congratulating him on "how fine and how profoundly important the book is". In his letter to Orwell, he predicted:

 

Within the next generation I believe that the world's leaders will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience.

Re:If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004189)

"infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis"

Hope and Change, Hope and Change. Yes We Can! Yes We Can!

"Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

"In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years."

Re:If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004245)

So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

Re:If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (1)

noh8rz7 (2706405) | about 2 years ago | (#41004209)

You mean, like a reality distortion field?

Re:If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41004285)

Also known as TV.

Re:If we could ask the writers of yesteryear... (4, Insightful)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about 2 years ago | (#41004367)

I think you put half the world into a nutshell with that last paragraph. How dare we ask for information, and after being denied, deceived and abused, actually take it. And yet so many people think these leaks are somehow more unpatriotic than waging illegal wars that produce millions of casualties, lying and spying, parasiting the economy with Haliburtons, Blackwaters and endless dead-end military contracts while we watch the collective IQ of the US dissipate as quickly as the smoke on the 4th of July.

Rights (3, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 2 years ago | (#41004131)

Yes, how very civilized of you, Britain. The "I'm right because I have more guns" position has made us Americans so many friends internationally. I'm sure diplomats and foreign dignitaries will be thrilled to hear that you're going to storm their embassies.

Re:Rights (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#41004183)

Looks like tinpot dictator envy to me.

Re:Rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004191)

Typical American, claiming everything as their own :)

The British have been pulling shit like this for MUCH longer, though they're usually a little more subtle.

Re:Rights (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#41004359)

For definitions of 'subtle' that amount to 'have the Scots do it for them, be wankers'.

United Kingdom of Brats (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about 2 years ago | (#41004155)

UK: "Whaaaa! I didn't get my patsy, boo hoo hoo. Let's storm the embassy and feed him to the US Pentagon."

This should frighten the hell out of everyone. Perhaps citizen's arrests should made upon the any mention of the word "transparency" by bureaucrats. Do we really have to wait for Stratfor and other "Global Intelligence" agencies to crap their trousers before the population gets any insight into what they are funding?

When they grab Julian, they should grab Gary M. too, and burn them both at the stake for old times. Why hide their thirst for blood any longer?

Will be really surprised if they storm the place (4, Interesting)

John3 (85454) | about 2 years ago | (#41004161)

The UK government has already stated that they will not let Assange leave the country, so he's stuck in that embassy anyway. There have been rumors of smuggling him to the airport in a diplomatic limo, or hiring him as a diplomat, but those are not practical and the UK could detain him once he left the embassy grounds. So why bother storming the embassy?

If by chance they do storm the embassy then it will be obvious that the US government stepped up the pressure and got impatient. Get the popcorn out, this could get interesting.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (1)

richardcavell (694686) | about 2 years ago | (#41004217)

Note, by the way, that the legal basis for seizing him is an allegation of rape. The fact that he's publishing unflattering information about the internal workings of Western governments is *not* their stated reason for wanting him.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (2)

SecurityTheatre (2427858) | about 2 years ago | (#41004289)

An allegation of sexual impropriety which is usually punished by a term of a few weeks community service and seldom jail time.

It's a bit important to recognize this as well.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004237)

Hiring him as an embassy official would be interesting. That should give him diplomatic immunity. The only question then would be does diplomatic immunity apply outright (no arrests are possible) or can one be arrested for past acts and just no acts while one is a diplomat?

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (1)

quacking duck (607555) | about 2 years ago | (#41004371)

People with diplomatic immunity can still be arrested. They just can't be prosecuted. The most that a host nation can do is expel them and send them out on the next flight home.

Case in point: Andrey Knyazev [sptimes.ru] was arrested for drunk driving after causing a crash that killed a woman in Ottawa, Canada in 2001. He claimed diplomatic immunity, and returned home after Russia refused to lift immunity. He then stood trial in Russia, and was convicted and sentenced to 4 years in prison. A *Russian* prison, mind you, not a comparatively cushy Canadian one.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (2)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004333)

And yet, they happily allow Russian assassins and Libyan terrorists to leave??????

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 2 years ago | (#41004365)

There have been rumors of smuggling him to the airport in a diplomatic limo, or hiring him as a diplomat, but those are not practical and the UK could detain him once he left the embassy grounds. So why bother storming the embassy?

A diplomat's vehicle is considered sovereign land because it can contain diplomatic wires. Most countries would consider removing anything, or any person, from a diplomat's vehicle an act of war, the same as if they'd broken into the embassy. Now they might not exchange bullets over the matter, but you can be assured that diplomatic relations between Britain and many other countries will be harmed considerably. If they do this, nobody will trust them with their embassies again... I mean, if they're willing to storm an embassy and in the process compromising the national security and highly classified diplomatic wires of another government, violating the treaties signed between the two governments, all to to capture a guy for revealing low-level intelligence of a wholly separate government... Well, Britain simply won't be trusted after that for a long time.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41004559)

Er, the term is diplomatic bag. If the diplomat's vehicle is designated as a diplomatic bag by the embassy, it gets all the protections of a diplomatic bag. It cannot be opened or examined. It has been used numerous times to smuggle people in and out. Though there are treaties that govern what can be send through diplomatic mail/bag, and they prohibit carrying undeclared humans in them. So if you can smuggle without the host country calling your on it, you are good.
 
I am afraid in this case though, UK is closely monitoring Ecuador's diplomatic mail, and would be willing to move in if they know Assange is in it.

Re:Will be really surprised if they storm the plac (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#41004513)

The UK government has already stated that they will not let Assange leave the country, so he's stuck in that embassy anyway. There have been rumors of smuggling him to the airport in a diplomatic limo, or hiring him as a diplomat, but those are not practical and the UK could detain him once he left the embassy grounds.

Assange could always hold a get-me-the-hell-out-of-the-UK rally.

If he plans this well, he could get a couple of tens of thousands of people to show up. If they dress like him, they could also act as decoys. And if a successful escape doesn't look like it's going to work, he could always back out, and stay at the embassy.

Bambuser is unreachable at the moment. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004173)

Cannot connect to bambuser site which hosted some live footage of police surrounding the ecuador embassy previously.

Hope you have better luck...

http://bambuser.com/v/2905015

A Joke? (5, Interesting)

charlesr44403 (1504587) | about 2 years ago | (#41004185)

Is this a joke? Can the most civilized nation on earth sink to the level of the state criminals who stormed the American embassy in Iran?

Civilized????? (2, Interesting)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004377)

Hmmm...somebody's neglected their history, but they do have the longest continuing corporation in history, and perhaps the oldest one in the Western Hemisphere, the City of London Corporation --- look it up sometime, a very, very interesting history, especially how they purchased the monarchy back circa 1700s (S.I.L.O. arrangement).

Re:A Joke? (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about 2 years ago | (#41004553)

Clearly you've confused reality with a certain RightGuard commercial [youtube.com] ?
Side question:
Who initiated the coup that lead to that event in Iran?

Please note ; no intention of sounding pugnacious.

Oh, Really? (4, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | about 2 years ago | (#41004195)

I wouldn't say his crimes warrant a major diplomatic incident. Unless there's actually something to what he's been saying all along...

Re:Oh, Really? (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004341)

"Unless there's actually ...." Somebody hasn't been reading all those Wikileaked cables! Shame, shame on you....

I understand the law of 1987 but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004241)

that was enacted after an Iranian shot a female bobby in a London street from inside the Iranian Embassy, through the window. That was its own precedent. This just doesn't compare.

An Ugly Precedent (5, Insightful)

camionbleu (1633937) | about 2 years ago | (#41004265)

Here is the message that I've sent to David Cameron this evening,. If anyone else feels strongly about this and wishes to use my text, please feel free. You can reach him here [number10.gov.uk] .

Dear Mr Cameron,

I have read reports in the international press this evening, citing Ecuador's Foreign Minister, that the UK is considering entering the London Embassy of Ecuador without Ecuador's permission in order to arrest Mr Julian Assange, who is seeking refuge there.

I strongly urge the UK not to take this action, which would be a violation of Article 22 of the Vienna Convention. It would set an ugly precedent that would not be lost on other countries. Historically, the UK has valued the rule of law. When the UK contravenes international law, it sends a very unfortunate message to other countries who do not value the rule of law. That message is: "you, too, can ride roughshod over international law".

If the UK enters the Embassy of Ecuador without permission I predict that other countries will use this chilling precedent to do likewise, perhaps against a UK embassy.

Please seek a peaceful agreement with Ecuador.

Fuck you UK! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004267)

U$A whores...

Sexual assault, huh? (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 2 years ago | (#41004291)

I find it interesting that the UK government is willing to, essentially, go diplomatically nuclear over what is supposedly just a standard extradition request involving rape accusations.

Re:Sexual assault, huh? (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004391)

As far as I've read in the Swedish press, Anna Ardin and the younger lady never pressed any charges, in point of fact dropped any charges.

Sure (2, Insightful)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 2 years ago | (#41004379)

He didn't even do anything!! He owned a site which released documents that everyone had a RIGHT to see. Just because a document is classified doesn't mean the public shouldn't be aware. He shouldn't be arrested or in trouble, he should be thanked for releasing information that frankly is everyone's business.

check out the Equatorian statement: (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004389)

“Today we have received from the United Kingdom an explicit threat in writing that they could assault our embassy in London if Ecuador does not hand over Julian Assange,” Mr. Patiño said, adding defiantly, “We are not a British colony.”

This will get messy.

Also I find it hilarious that the NY Times coverage says the UK threatens to "barge in to the embassy", you know like just rudely walking instead of the full on assault that they are really planning. NY Times may be liberal domestically but it's a CIA shill when it comes to international news.

Carmen Sandiego (1)

zerodl (817292) | about 2 years ago | (#41004421)

Where is the World is Julian Assange? Only you can find him gumshoes!

They did just assault the Embassy (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004437)

As of 5:55 PM West Coast Daylight Savings time, they have just invaded the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Assange is bound to end up in the US in a secure facility where he will be denied effective legal representation and be tortured psychologically, if not physically.

The US is no longer the home of freedom. RIP.

Cool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004479)

I hope they smash the fucking marxist shits.

LIVE NEWS: They have just invaded the embassy (3, Informative)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | about 2 years ago | (#41004495)

We haven't seen anything like this since the Iranians invaded the American Embassy in Tehran.

"The British government has told Ecuadorian authorities it believes it can enter its embassy in London and arrest Assange. But any incursion by the Brits at the embassy would be ‘‘without modern precedent’’ and could end up before the international courts, according to an Australian law expert. Professor Donald Rothwell, from Australlian National University College of Law, said the government's stance shows just how serious the UK is about extraditing the WikiLeaks founder to Sweden. "The Ecuadorian Embassy enjoys protection under Article 22 of the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations which precludes the United Kingdom authorities from entering the Embassy without consent. Assange has enjoyed the protection of the embassy since he sought asylum there on 19 June 2012. "If the United Kingdom revoked the Embassy’s diplomatic protection and entered the Embassy to arrest Assange, Ecuador could rightly view this as a significant violation of international law which may find its way before an international court.”
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-police-raid-assanges-embassy-refuge-20120816-249pe.html [smh.com.au]

Ecuador should invade the Falkland Islands... (4, Funny)

subreality (157447) | about 2 years ago | (#41004499)

... then hand them over to Argentina. Then send the Brits a diplomatic cable: "Fuck me? Well fuck you too."

Mess with state department AND Clinton? Bad. (1, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41004509)

The real moral of this story is: Never cross a Clinton, or anything they may be in charge of.

Ecuador (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41004551)

China backs Ecuador ...

'nuff said.

Dwell on this. . . (1)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41004579)

. . . These are the same essential governmental types who allowed a Libyan embassy person who murdered a female bobby, or female member of their Met Police, to get away free and clear, because he shot her from inside the Libyan embassy, yet they are threatening to attack the embassy of Ecuador.

What's morally and ethically wrong with this picture????

The UK specifically said they won't be raiding (3, Informative)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 2 years ago | (#41004591)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19259623 [bbc.co.uk]

They say they are not about to raid the embassy.

Much like anything else involving Assange, it appears Assange's side is amping up the hype.

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