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Linux Is a Lemon On the Retina MacBook Pro

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the but-it-might-soon-be-awesome dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It turns out that Linux doesn't work too well on the Apple Retina MacBook Pro. Among the problems are needing special boot parameters to simply boot the Linux kernel, graphics drivers not working, no hybrid graphics support, WiFi requiring special firmware, Thunderbolt troubles, GNOME/Unity/KDE not being optimized for retina displays, and other snafus, including 20% greater power consumption with Linux over OS X. According to Michael Larabel, it will likely not be until early next year when most of the problems are ironed out for a clean 'out of the box' Linux experience on the Retina MacBook Pro."

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Proof at last! (5, Funny)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014217)

This proves it for once and for all. Apple is evil!!! What?

Re:Proof at last! (-1, Redundant)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014565)

Uh, this was a joke, ok?

Re:Proof at last! (0, Offtopic)

Cute Fuzzy Bunny (2234232) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014741)

This proves it for once and for all. Apple is evil!!! What?

I don't think so, since this sounds like every linux installation I've ever done. Some main component never works OOB, I always have to edit a bunch of files and download all sorts of odds and ends before I have a running machine.

Linux on Mac?! (5, Insightful)

m1ndcrash (2158084) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014257)

Why in the world would you even try to do it? What is the goal of this endeavour?

Re:Linux on Mac?! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014269)

Look, sometimes you just want to stick a Chevy four-banger in your Ferrari. It's not rational, it's just linux.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014317)

hmm i thought that was fiero and pontiac

Re:Linux on Mac?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014485)

hmm i thought that was fiero and pontiac

Look this isn't the 1950s anymore and such racism is not fair.

I mean everybody knows PONTIAC = Poor Old Nigger Thinks It's A Cadillac.

You need to develop some more respect for our African-American brothers and sisters. They can buy any brand of vehicle they want, just like you and me.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2)

m1ndcrash (2158084) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014375)

As in "run linux on all the things?"

Re:Linux on Mac?! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014393)

Really? I was just assuming it was more that they wanted to convert one of the fixed-track old-timey cars at the amusement park into something that can drive in the real world, but hey.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014611)

I'm not sure that real world is everyone else's real world.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014519)

Oh damn it. What's the odds I posted nearly the identical example?

At least I was man enought to take the Karma hit!

Re:Linux on Mac?! (5, Interesting)

erp_consultant (2614861) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014351)

Actually I installed a dual boot of OSX and Ubuntu on my later model iMac. Not only does Ubuntu run flawlessly it's really fast. I was surprised to see that everything worked right out of the box, including the webcam, sound and wifi. Sometimes I have to test my software on a native Linux distribution so it helps to have the dual boot option. Sure I could run it in a VM but this is a bit more of a pure solution.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2, Insightful)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014403)

Because Mountain Lion isn't THAT much of an upgrade over Lion, and whatever comes after (HouseCat [xkcd.com] ?) will probably be more IOS-like—i.e., sucky on a laptop.

Until/unless Apple de-fscks itself, the upgrade path will be via Linux on Mac.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014449)

If that's your purpose, you could also get a proper laptop instead, like one that actually has a middle mouse button such as the Thinkpads.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014543)

Name one other laptop that has a screen with that high a resolution. They don't currently exist.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2, Insightful)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014635)

This is true. I have sent a great number of emails to Lenovo complaining that they no longer produce a laptop worth buying because the screen resolutions of the new ones are not as good as the old ones.

Their response is to send me emails of models with even worse resolution!

Video RAMM matters more than screen resolution (4, Interesting)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014717)

Apple currently has the high resolution screens. Too bad you can only get 1GB of video RAM on the MacBook Pros though. What is the point of having such a high resolution screen if you run out of VRAM for textures etc? I'm thinking about a Retina Mac to replace my existing Mac but at the lack of video ramm is putting me off.

Why does this matter? Because I'm developing a cross-platform OpenGL flight simulator and I would like to have plenty of Video Ram to go around (many flight sim gamers have very high end Windows rigs with 2-4GB of Video RAM, and this is my target [TBH, I don't care about those who want to game on less capable hardware - profit limiting I know, but I'm writing the sim for myself first and foremost and I have great hardware that is poorly utilized by many mainstream games]).

So, my point is while Apple has a lovely display resolution that will probably soon be matched by others. Other laptop manufacturers (eg. HP) produce machines with 2 GB of Video RAM, which is unlikely to be matched by Apple (none of their latops have more than 1 GB of RAM, Apple don't seem to be interested in trely powerful users of laptops - I guess that's what they have the Mac Pro for - but it doesn't help folks like me).

Re:Linux on Mac?! (4, Insightful)

cod3r_ (2031620) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014465)

1 person trying it.. 1 person working on it.. 1 person reporting it. Many people reading about it and scratching their heads.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014481)

Why in the world would you even try to do it? What is the goal of this endeavour?

It's a game .. seeing how many pieces of hardware we can run Linux on. There's always the question, is it the suitability of the OS or the hardware which is the chief difficulty. I'd say with problems prying into how the Mac is made and what tricks you have to overcome, it's not a particularly good choice (particularly as there may be small deviations during the production, which you won't know about, until you trip on them.)

Re:Linux on Mac?! (0)

tgd (2822) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014487)

Why in the world would you even try to do it? What is the goal of this endeavour?

Its like squeezing a Chevy V6 into a Ferrari.

Because you can.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014529)

I do it with a macbook air.

The hardware is nice, but OSX is terrible.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (4, Funny)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014573)

Just think how much more smug you are when you're running free software on over-priced hardware. It's a smug upgrade!

Re:Linux on Mac?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014597)

Apple makes good hardware, and the prices are surprisingly competitive these days. Linux is the de-facto standard for serious software development if you want to do anything beyond making a few crApps and hobbyist tinkering. Makes perfect sense to me.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014643)

> prices are surprisingly competitive these days

As long as you compare one apple product to another, they are!!

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014629)

There is a lot of good server software for Linux that isn't ported to OSX. Mostly I'd assume you would want to run this in stuff in a VM, to use while developing.

OTOH if you are just talking hardware. Where else do you get a laptop with:
a 5 mega pixel screen
450 mb/sec hard drives
16g of ram
terrific speakers
that wonderful thin feel ...

Re:Linux on Mac?! (4, Interesting)

hobarrera (2008506) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014665)

Why not? It's the only notebook with a display capable of 2,880×1,800, so if you want a notebook with a resolution higher than 1080p, its your only choice.

The hardware specs of a Macbook Pro "Retina" are quite unique, so there's plenty of other reasons you'd want this particular model just for hardware.

Where I live, a Macbook Air is the only choice for something similar to an "ultrabook". Everything else weighs twice as much, and includes crap I don't want, like huge HDDs or optical drives. So even if I dislike Apple's software, their hardware is really the only choice for me.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014677)

Best of all worlds. I have OSX, Linux and Windows 7 on mine. I run Linux and Windows as VMs most of the time, and have my development platforms for each set up the way I like. I love this machine, and being able to seamlessly being able to switch desktops and run/compile/test whatever I feel like working on. New Linux distro to play with? Another VM, and I still have OSX as my main do everything OS.

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014707)

      nice screen without being subjected to OSX?

Re:Linux on Mac?! (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014757)

I find software that relies on X11 on the Mac to be horrible. Another problem that has come up is that OSS does not move as quickly as OSX, so there is some software that will only work in 10.6 environments, or you can run it in Linux.

Hardly newsworthy (4, Informative)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014259)

Linux doesn't exactly have a reputation for working well on brand-new hardware. The new MacBooks only came out a couple months ago, give Linux some time!

Re:Hardly newsworthy (3, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014425)

On PC hardware, it has been running a LOT better than before. That said, it's still essentially true -- nothing works out of the box unless it is like 3+ years old.

With all that said, Apple goes out of its was to "think different" so that its hardware is more exclusive and more likely to be running Mac OS X... but only Mac OS X version 10."latest" because they are dropping support for hardware older than X years. (Where X is a number between 2 and 5) So anyone with ideas of installing anything other than pure Apple Mac OS X on it will be faced with some challenges.

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014603)

I am not seeing EVIL apple. I just see it this way. Apple wanted to release a product with a better display, and with a bunch of the newest technology in their product so they can market it as better then their competition (We still think competition is a good thing right?). Apple isn't bound to supporting Windows or Linux so they modified their OS to handle the new technology.

Other companies like Dell and Lenovo will need to choose hardware that Microsoft or Linux supports. So oddly enough these PCs run Linux better.

 

Re:Hardly newsworthy (1, Interesting)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014729)

"so they modified their OS to handle the new technology"

Oh, so that's why you have to use 3rd party "hacks" to enable native 2880x1800... handling it indeed.

Re:Hardly newsworthy (1)

Isaac-1 (233099) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014453)

Much the same can be said about my year old higher end Thinkpad

Re:Hardly newsworthy (4, Informative)

jrminter (1123885) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014467)

It is one thing to have an older MacBook and think about moving to a Linux distro when the current OS no longer supports your hardware, but unless you are a hobbyist who get pleasure from tinkering and wants to see "if I can...", it seems like a waste of time and money. Note that I am writing this on a 2009 MacBook Pro with Mountain Lion but I also use Linux for many aspects of my work. If I wanted a Linux laptop to just "get my work done," I would look carefully at one of these: http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ [zareason.com] The key is to let your supplier work out the hardware details. That is part of why one buys from a given supplier. We are all free to tinker to our hearts content, but if our objective is to use the system to do something useful, it is typically more productive to get something that works on the OS of choice. This is hardly a new concept...

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014483)

We all know it's only a matter of time before apple locks the bootloader for our own protection. Personally I would be surprised if linux will run on any new macs two or three years from now (or even windows for that matter).

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014693)

Yes because after all a company that writes their own multi OS boot loader, supports it and gives it away for free is definitely opposed to people booting other OSes on the hardware they make their money from.

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0, Flamebait)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014531)

Well the KDE part is true, because it doesn't need to be optimized (svg, muthafuckas).

And the fact that it doesn't work, is the result of Linux' greatness. How is that? Well it's:
-Make it work;
-Make it work well;
-Optimize.

That's why Linux works so well. In contrast with bleeding edge consumer crap (yes, you can put the pun right here), which tries to do all three at the same time, resulting in some nasty and unmainteable crap. Now insert Apple here, and you know why they constantly have to rewrite their software. So if you run OSx86 on non-Apple hardware, you can observe the insuficient as shit quality of the good.

Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough, so the saying goes. Now wonder why there are fences throughout Apple products, everywhere. I mean the synchronization fences in the software form of the word.

So you get you Macbook out of your backpack and show everyone how fast it is, but it isn't; the smoothness consumes ALL compute power, so that shit in the background completely stalls. But that can be fixed with insanely huge batteries, which makes you think that the Macbook is oh so power efficient, but in reality it takes ages to charge and is draining a horrible amount of power.

Then people bitch at Vista, and say that Windows 7 is an improvement, but they don't realise that in reality, Vista consumes less power, makes everything that you do go faster (hello optimal multitasking).

Apple sucks. It fits the category of people who suck at computers too, which is the entire population normal, which is why Apple is so succesful, and their marketing so easy.

In reality Microsoft makes more worthy products, because they own the market, and Linux is of a higher quality.

But I'm sure that high dense pixel panel is more awesome than having a high contrast display like Nokia's ClearBlack, which is actually readable outside in the sun. But hey; "OMG RETINA 1337 xXx uLtr4H4x0rzzzz"

Please don't make me cry...

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014675)

You haven't actually seen, much less used or owned a MacBook in recent memory, have you?

Re:Hardly newsworthy (1)

jbolden (176878) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014755)

This is a crazy rant.

1) Yes the rMBP stresses the video card. It doesn't bother the rest of the system. Background tasks are fine.
2) There is nothing sneaky about the rMBP's higher power usage, Apple tells you the wattage on their power supplies in their store. They call them the "70 watt power brick"...
3) The core parts of Apple software go back to NeXTStep. Some of which goes back to Apple Unix and the Lisa.

 

Re:Hardly newsworthy (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014557)

Heh give the specs, have the driver. It works that way for closed-source drivers, and open source developers manage the incredible feat to reverse engineer hardware in order to write workable devices.

Complaining about badly working closed devices on linux is like taunting a basketball player you just cuffed for not managing to move as swiftly as the others...

Hmmmm.... is open source driver development the equivalent of the capoiera martial art ?

Re:Hardly newsworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014737)

FTFY: Linux doesn't exactly have a reputation for working well on hardware.

Not just the retina macbook pro (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014265)

But also all devices made by Samsung, LG, and HT....

Re:Not just the retina macbook pro (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014377)

But also all devices made by Samsung, LG, and HT....

But saying that doesn't draw any attention - mentioning Apple does. It's like when people talk about Foxconn. Nobody mentions they make stuff for HP, Dell, Lenovo, and others - they only mention the Apple connection.

Re:Not just the retina macbook pro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014475)

That's an interesting point, let me add to that using my Linux cell phoFORCE CLOSE

NEWS Flash!! (5, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014267)

Linux doesn't work completely on brand new hardware!!

This is totally shocking to me. This has only been a problem since the 90's.

Re:NEWS Flash!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014353)

Exactly... I wonder how well OS X worked the first time Apple ran it on this hardware. I bet it didn't even boot.

Re:NEWS Flash!! (4, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014631)

Exactly... I wonder how well OS X worked the first time Apple ran it on this hardware. I bet it didn't even boot.

I know you're joking, but the corollary here would actually be how good OS X would work on hardware tuned specifically for Linux. The answer to that would likely be "very poorly" as well.

Re:NEWS Flash!! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014421)

Linux doesn't work completely on brand new hardware!!

It works great on our hardware. We get Linux working on it before we release it. We push the support into the kernel [lwn.net] and GCC and binutils [gnu.org] and all the other stuff [openssl.org] before it becomes an issue.

Apple are hardly going to be focusing on cleaning up Linux's issues.

Re:NEWS Flash!! (0)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014637)

Hush! There are too many Linux Fanatics on this site who will refuse to believe that Linux has problems, and that Apple and Microsoft had resolved some of those problems a while ago.

But to be fair Linux has resolved other problems that OS X and Windows have currently a long time ago too.

For some reason Different Systems seem to work differently... how odd.

Re:NEWS Flash!! (3, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014723)

I think the real news is that Linux does as well as it does on new hardware that is designed and tested for other OSes. A good sidebar is how quickly any deficiencies get fixed up.

Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014279)

Why run Linux on a Mac? Only a fool would do such a thing. Linux is teh suck.

And next (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014285)

Let's trash linux a little more by complaining how this Ubuntu DVD fails to load on this sundial. There you have it, linux can't even run on one of the most primitive time-keeping devices. It must suck.

Re:And next (5, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014493)

That isn't linux's fault, it's Ubuntu's. Slackware will run just fine on your sundial.

Re:And next (2)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014563)

Don't worry, I'm sure NetBSD support it.

Why run Linux on a MacBook (1)

compmas2 (1635713) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014289)

Why would you run Linux on a MacBook? Just but a cheap non-apple laptop or run Linux in a virtual machine if you need it.

Re:Why run Linux on a MacBook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014325)

if you have to ask that question you obviously miss the entire point of the linux community. do they need to install linux on a toaster? no. do they need to install linux on a dead badger? no. its simply becasue we can, not becasue we should.

note: use to run yellow dog linux on an Xserv and it actually made that server a damn stable mysql box.

Re:Why run Linux on a MacBook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014339)

THIS

Re:Why run Linux on a MacBook (3, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014515)

The same reason you would run Windows on a MacBook. If the thing that matters most to you is the screen there are precious few other options in the market, even if you ignore the high resolution. Just finding an IPS laptop that has basic features and doesn't require a furniture dolly to move is hard to find. Also, if you work in both OSX and Linux environments, you are going to want a MacBook. The cases are not numerous, but they're out there.

Re:Why run Linux on a MacBook (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014545)

Because having Apple hardware has hipster cred, and then when people see the Apple hardware with Linux running on it, you'll have nerd cred. So if you really want to set yourself apart as a cool guy who's good at computers, Linux on a Mac is the way to go.

Re:Why run Linux on a MacBook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014651)

Because you prefer to run Linux over OSX (for various reasons), and still want a high-density display (and all the other nice things the MBP has: 2.7GHZ quad core i7, 512GB Flash drive, 8GB RAM, 1GB Video RAM, 6MB L3 cache, small form factor, etc. Try finding that in a cheap, sub-$1000 laptop).

hybrid graphics support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014297)

Doesn't work on my Asus notebook, either. And probably never will, despite all the alleged solutions to the problem that are floating around.

Re:hybrid graphics support (1)

crow (16139) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014381)

Yes, I heard that there was some sort of solution for my ThinkPad, but I gave up trying to get it to work. I run the nVidia graphics all the time, which cuts down on the battery life, but makes everything simpler.

I also find it frustrating that the firmware doesn't have graphics modes for the native screen resolution or standard 1080p screens, making it difficult to set up the correct console modes and boot screen (using grub2, at least).

Maybe now that Apple is using hybrid graphics, there will be more attention paid to it in the Linux community, which is a good thing. Of course, much of the problem is that we're dealing with binary driver blobs that don't always play well with each other.

This Just In: (-1, Flamebait)

Johnuk89 (1241240) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014301)

Open source OS doesn't play nice on a brand new,proprietary, locked down piece of hardware! Who'd have thought it!

Re:This Just In: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014601)

Why is this flamebait? It should be +5 Insightful by now. This is exactly the situation.

Tell me why... (5, Insightful)

ak_hepcat (468765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014305)

It is so shocking to think that an operating system doesn't work well on hardware for which no drivers have yet been written?

And yes, folks have been working on this. It's all up on the G+.

But seriously, until somebody is paid to write the drivers prior to hardware release, why expect it to work?

Expensive laptop, Free OS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014307)

FTFA: "Aside from the Linux troubles encountered, the only other negative point about this high-end laptop is its price, which for the 2.3GHz Ivy Bridge model is $2199 USD or $2799 for the base price on the top-end model and not counting optional upgrades."

Let's shell out 2K for a laptop with a pretty face and stick Linux on it.
Linux FTW!

Also.... "The Retina MacBook Pro does away with any DVD drive and there is no Gigabit Ethernet or Firewire on the unit itself, although Apple is now making Thunderbolt adapters to offer these connection interfaces."
WTF?!

Re:Expensive laptop, Free OS!! (1)

kaws (2589929) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014537)

I find that it's annoying that they got rid of the ethernet port but it's understandable. Have you seen how thin that thing is? Ethernet is too big for thin. In fact, with older mbp designes it barely fits.

Re:Expensive laptop, Free OS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014583)

Apple is betting the farm on Thunderbolt, a new connector standard that's being adopted by as many as zero other PC manufacturers.

What's new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014313)

My 10,2 still doesn't have wireless support w/o a wrapper.

You spent $3000 on a laptop to run linux (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014343)

You spent $3000 on a laptop to run linux. You are a strange person.

This is news?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014349)

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Firstly, this is fairly new hardware, in a newly released, expensive configuration, which relatively few people possess. Waiting 4 to 6 months for "out of the box" support on brand new, proprietary technologies (from a company (in)famous for being secretive and unwilling to co-operate), is not and should not be surprising to anyone. It's a simple fact of using Linux. It'd be nice if Apple could write the drivers for us, but instead we have to wait until we can get out hands on it, reverse engineer everything, write the code, test it etc. If anything it should be news that we're expecting drivers fairly soon!

Fusion is your Friend (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014363)

Why waste so much time/effort with a BOS install? Run it in VMware Fusion full-screen like I do. Pick your battles, my friends.

What? How is this possible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014397)

You mean to tell me that software that has never before run on a piece of hardware, which is brand new, doesn't work as well as software which was custom designed to work on that hardware and tuned for more than a year? HOW OH HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Next thing you will tell me is a 10 year old child born in the US and never having even met anyone of Chinese origin and never hearing any language other than English, can't speak Chinese nearly as well as a 25 year old person in China. What the hell is wrong with the little tyke? Can't speak hardly any Chinese at all! That's terrible! Oh, and Linux not working on the Apple hardware perfectly, that's bad too. SURPRISE! (How is this exactly news, and how did it get past the moderators? Are there any?)

Give it 5 years (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014407)

Before Linux is the only OS that DOES support this model.

Re:Give it 5 years (0)

Nexion (1064) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014547)

Sad... but true.

Headline sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014415)

Fuck you Timothy. There HAS to be a better way to express Linux's unoptimized performance on new hardware.

Shocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014437)

Surprise! Software not designed for hardware platform fails to work properly. Hardware to blame say sources. More at 10.

Translation (5, Insightful)

Nexion (1064) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014489)

Don't buy a Mac.

Don't get me wrong fan boys... Apple does make good gear, and it isn't Apple's fault it doesn't run Linux all that well on this particular device. However despite having a good operating system for a workstation I'm just not a big fan of OSX at home. I use Linux primarily at work and I am quite happy with it. Given the choice between Windows and OSX at work it will be OSX every time. However, I DO have a better choice in workstation OS that more closely mirrors our production servers on which to develop software.

I also don't care much for Apple as a company. I find Microsoft more trustworthy, and that really does say quite a bit.

It would be nice if Apple contributed to Linux. I know that is asking a lot of them as they throughly enjoy tieing two products together by virtue of license and copyright law. It is something they are unfortunately unlikely to change and as a result I try to avoid purchasing their hardware. Much like I will try to avoid any "secure boot" BIOS gear in the future.

What a shame (4, Funny)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014495)

That's too bad, 'cause, like most people, I was looking forward to buying overpriced hardware bundled with an expensive operating system and then just running free open source software on it instead.

Re:What a shame (1)

geek (5680) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014617)

That's too bad, 'cause, like most people, I was looking forward to buying overpriced hardware bundled with an expensive operating system and then just running free open source software on it instead.

OS X is 20$. I'd hardly call that "an expensive operating system"

You're clearly blinded by your own irrational hatred.

well what a fuckin suprise! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014497)

trying to get some backroom server OS best suited to serving grannies homepage to work on one of the most advanced laptops? of course it's going to disappoint, that's what Linux does!

How does winblows do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014503)

Seriously this is news?

I would have to start with "Why?" (3, Informative)

MadCow42 (243108) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014507)

I have the new Retina MBP... and it's a fantastic machine. But WHY would you buy it just to install Linux on it anyway? It's a very expensive computer for that - you can get other laptops with similar specs (other than the display, yes) for a lot less. In almost all cases I'd suspect that people want to use both OSX and Linux - and in that case, I'd highly suggest running Linux in a virtual machine anyway (Parallels/VMWare).

Sure it'd be nice to have a pure dual boot for Linux, but until drivers are written and fine tuned for that specific platform it will do just fine.

I use Parallels for that, and for running WinXP (believe it or not) for one old app I need. The new MBP is so fast that I can cold-boot WinXP in 3 seconds! - making it a breeze to get to the one app I need when I need it.

MadCow.

Hey Guys I've Got a Great Idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014511)

Lets buy some over priced shoddy bleeding edge hardware from Apple and then complain when we can't run an Open Source OS that has had no chance to develope for it as the horrible vendor hasn't released with an open spec since the late 70s.

Instead of Linux laptop (5, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014523)

Package contained a retina MacBook pro. Would not buy again.

In other shocking news: (1)

alphax45 (675119) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014535)

The Ford engine doesn't fit well into my Chevy car. Come on people! Of course Apple isn't going to make their hardware work well with Linux. They have no need to.

Re:In other shocking news: (2)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014655)

How well does it run Windows 7 with Boot Camp?

Too many words... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014553)

You could've easily summed it up with "as usual, Linux doesn't work. This time on a Mac."

Keep reading! Linux works fine on this system (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014559)

The article also states that Linux runs quite well indeed in a VMware virtual machine.

If you install Fedora 17, you can even enjoy hardware- assisted 3-D graphics.

Pop the virtual machine into full screen mode and you might as well be running Linux on the bare metal, practically speaking there is no difference.

Re:Keep reading! Linux works fine on this system (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014641)

Except for the fact that you're actually running all of OS X's overhead in addition to Linux, and that you don't have full control over /dev, and that certain key commands are intercepted by OS X so you can't actually pass them, and the fact that you have to fake a hard drive and send all your IO through convoluted loops that slow down the system even more...

Yeah, except for all that, it's just like running natively!

Why in gods name (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014579)

would you want to hurt that little Linux distro? Have you no shame?

I fear you've misunderstood, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014581)

It's the recent Apple products that are the lemons. You can't even pull the battery in that thing if you spill something on it. It's garbage.

Re:I fear you've misunderstood, (1)

BLToday (1777712) | more than 2 years ago | (#41014743)

I think you have way bigger problems than removing the battery if you spill some liquid on a laptop. I've never been able to bring back a laptop after spilling coffee on it (twice now). And I don't know of anyone that has recover a laptop after liquid accident. My cousin just did that last month to his Thinkpad. Immediately removed the battery and used the rice trick, doesn't work.

Can I run Win7 on the new MacBook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014609)

Can I run Win7 on the new MacBook Pro without any problems?

Seriously who lets these Fanboys into /.?

Hold on a sec, silly question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014613)

I guess was totally wrong thinking that other than the UEFI/bootup that Macs were basically just commodity Intel/Nvidia/AMD computers...? And that PC drivers should just work? (Not that I've kept up with Linux on Macs at all...)

Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014621)

Unsupported hardware is unsupported.

What a bummer that is, eh?

Works fine on mine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014633)

In fact I just tested an upgrade to one of our Ubuntu instances on it. Oh you meant not in a Virtual Machine (on VirtualBox). Why on earth would you buy a Mac and NOT use OS X? Hell, my Linux instances run better under a VM on this system than they do on the stand alone systems bought just 2 or 3 years ago. Hell I've even installed several games under VirtualBox with Windows 7.

*THIS* makes a slashdot post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41014727)

So, let's start with this hardware... Apple developed it, and spent years+ of R&D on software, hardware driver enablement, tweaking and tuning, and making a sweet, integrated, and, let's just say it -- proprietary piece of laptop computer artistry.

Then these Linux guys come and say "oh, it's x86, huh? so let's boot our Linux kernel and watch it go" -- only to be disappointed that it won't boot (without tweaking), devices don't work (driver support, anyone?), and a whole laundry list of complaints.

And people are surprised? Come on!

If, and this is a big IF here... IF you wanted to run Linux on this, then you go ahead and spend the same (or almost the same) R&D effort and $ to get the drivers and tweaking/tuning sorted out.

And I'm not even sure why this is a discussion. Most Linux folks are the ones looking to make it run super fast on super old hardware that can be obtained for $100 or less... The Linux folks I know are not the ones forking out big bucks on a shiny new Apple, only to nuke the HDD and try to install Linux on it.

None of this makes any sense.

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