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BitTorrent Tries To Appease Users By Making Torrent Ads Optional

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the readers-have-long-memories dept.

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hypnosec writes "BitTorrent has backtracked on their stance that uTorrent ads cannot be 'turned off,' following a user revolt. They announced that users can opt-out of sponsored torrents if they don't wish to see them. Last weekend BitTorrent announced it would make uTorrent ad-enabled and that it would have a 'sponsored torrents' feature which couldn't be disabled. As one would have imagined, this didn't go over well with many users, and they let out their anger on the uTorrent forums. 'You seriously think that uTorrent is going to survive now? The Admin/Devs are seriously deluded. Pure greed has turned your once loved app into a bloated and buggy cash cow,' said one user."

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Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41016859)

Torrents users are spoiled and ungrateful. News at eleven.

Attempting to monetize thieves (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017749)

What on earth did they expect would happen when they tried to monetize thieves (oh, excuuuuuuse me, copyright infringers)? The whole idea was laughable in the first place.

LOL (-1, Troll)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 2 years ago | (#41016877)

So don't update to the newest version then. What crybabies, its free anyhow.

Re:LOL (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41016925)

Or use any of the multitude of other clients.

free = you are the product being sold (5, Insightful)

hierophanta (1345511) | more than 2 years ago | (#41017127)

nowadays "free" all too often means you are the product being sold.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41017201)

"its free, stop complaining".

no. because I am not paying cash money for something does NOT mean its free.

"hey, I just have to give my email and fill out this survey and I get $10!"

its also not free.

people, please learn what you give up for so-called 'free things'.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017449)

You say this like every human on earth doesn't already understand it.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019061)

If every human on earth already understood it, the practice wouldn't be effective.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019163)

Caring and understanding are two different things.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018479)

30 seconds per ad. About 3-4 minutes per TV episode (on hulu). Not a big deal since I usually don't watch the ad anyway but instead flip to another tab, or glance at the magazine in my lap, or glance over at TV #2.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (-1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41018869)

Actually it does mean it's free. You might want to look that up.

""hey, I just have to give my email and fill out this survey and I get $10!""
since they never claim it is free, it kind of shows how stupid^H^H^H^H^H^H wrong you are.

So, what did I give up when I downloaded linux for free? what did I give up when I got a free sandwich?

Re:free = you are the product being sold (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019073)

I'm going with: "The use of your bandwidth for something else" and "Staying healthy and not getting a ton of weird diseases from dumpster food."

Who gives a damn? (4, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018043)

I don't understand why people get all PMSey over advertising. It's easy enough to ignore (go get a drink, go pee, go update your facebook status, glance at your magazine, et cetera). I'd sooner ignore an ad then have to pay ~$250 a year per network (example: BBC) or per program (~$70 for LimeWire). Advertising gives me 40+ channels of freetoair TV, plus thousands of free websites and dozens of programs.

Re:free = you are the product being sold (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41018897)

no. It means a piece of information about you is. Stop being melodramatic.
And what's wrong with exchange an email address in exchange for something?

You also imply, possible unintentionally, that paying for something mean you aren't the product.

Re:LOL (4, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#41018239)

Yes. Things that are free are magically exempt from criticism. People's negative feelings about free things simply don't exist, and so they're unable to express them.

Yeah they are (1, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 2 years ago | (#41019043)

uTorrent is given away although you have the option of paying. If you are given something for free (as in a gift from someone else) you have zero room for bitching. Now had you paid $10 that's a different story.

Kickstarter (5, Insightful)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 2 years ago | (#41016919)

A better approach would be to set up a Kickstarter campaign outlining all the work that needs to be done and who needs to be paid for their efforts, and how much money it will take to support this for 6 months or 12 months or something. They would sail past their reqested amount long before the deadline. Vaguely similar to the humble bundle approach in a way.

They could make a big deal out of how this approach means they avoid needing advertising sponsors.

Re:Kickstarter (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41017001)

In other words, "Find someone else to pay for it because I won't". Typical of torrent users.

Re:Kickstarter (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41017053)

The typical torrent user gets their content there because it's a more convenient, higher quality product, as well as free. IE, to avoid unskippable ads, DRM virus-infested always-on games, and the ability to use on any device they want with a minimum of bullshit. Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users; not sure where you're getting your FUD.

Not saying the price isn't part of the selling point, but when the only legal alternatives are ten years behind on quality and convenience how can you honestly expect people to pay more for it?

Re:Kickstarter (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41017101)

Torrent users also spend more on legal content than non-torrent users;

Legal fees and settlements don't count.

Re:Kickstarter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017843)

You mean kind of like how 8 balls and hookers don't count as loses due to piracy?

Re:Kickstarter (1)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#41017269)

I don't know what you're using, but I find Spotify, Netflix, LoveFilm, and Steam way more convenient than torrenting. Their libraries aren't 100%, but they're pretty good. For the rest, I torrent or buy/rent stupid plastic discs..

Re:Kickstarter (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018169)

Unfortunately none of these places let me playback at 2x or 1.5x speed. Only a torrent download which I can play in MS-media player or VLC lets me do that. Plus finding torrents isn't hard. I've got a site that has every current movie and tv show, and what few items they don't have, you can request. (For example: Megaupload went down when I was watching One Tree Hill S1... so I requested the torrent and it was filled in a week).

Re:Kickstarter (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about 2 years ago | (#41019375)

Why do you play back at those speeds?
Not questioning your use, I use VLC too. Just wondering what your application is, etc.

What I like about VLC is the number of ways you can easily correct for fucked-up and badly transferred video. Resynch audio, brighten videos, change subtitle position and font, etc. That and the fact that it will play anything you throw at it without installing buggy or virus-laden "codec packs."

Re:Kickstarter (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 2 years ago | (#41018353)

Unfortunately, at least the first two don't work for 90% of the world population, including my (European) country. So yeah, it'd be more convenient, if it existed at all.

Re:Kickstarter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017301)

In other words, "I'm not willing to pay for my convenient higher quality product".

Re:Kickstarter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017285)

They need to free the code first... I really have to wonder though what is the value of this program? We have a million torrent apps. The FREE (as in freedom) one that comes bundled with my OS would seem more deserving of a contribution than uTorrent. On the other hand the BitTorrent developers (which appear might be the same) do deserve compensation for releasing the code under a free software license. If they don't get it or those in charge don't get it... someone needs to explain to them this mistake.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about 2 years ago | (#41017625)

This is true - I don't use uTorrent and had forgotten that it was proprietary. Perhaps Bram Cohen abandoning the Bittorrent reference implentation in order to work on uTorrent was the first step in him trying to figure out a way to monetize his work.

A shame really, since now kickstater, indiegogo and humble have shown that the donation solicitation method seems to work out better for everyone involved.

Especially for something as ubiquitous as bittorrent, which would have a vast number of donations. From a group of people who, despite popular presumptions, do actually carry a large contingent of people eager to demonstrate their gratitude for other people's work, but aren't prepared to be ripped off, spied on, lied to, controlled, manipulated and generally fucked over as part of the deal.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018215)

If I am spending money I will "donate" it to the DVD Store and support the artists, writers, cameramen, actors, engineers, and so forth that created the movie or show directly.
Not utorrent or websites. (Yes I know I'll get modded down for that opinion... oh well. I don't change my mind just because of karma-threats.)

Re:Kickstarter (1)

SinGunner (911891) | about 2 years ago | (#41017643)

You do know Penny Arcade just did this, and that the results were very mixed.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018103)

Link please. Penny Arcade didn't reach their funding goal?

Re:Kickstarter (1)

SinGunner (911891) | about 2 years ago | (#41018327)

They reached several funding goals, but they were not able to eliminate all advertising (their stated goal). The ultimate impact of their KS campaign remains to be seen.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | about 2 years ago | (#41017673)

A better approach would be to set up a Kickstarter campaign outlining all the work that needs to be done and who needs to be paid for their efforts, and how much money it will take to support this for 6 months or 12 months or something. They would sail past their reqested amount long before the deadline. Vaguely similar to the humble bundle approach in a way.

They could make a big deal out of how this approach means they avoid needing advertising sponsors.

The best bet for this kind of thing would probably be to rope in some reputable names to start a foundation and create a Kickstarter fund. Rules for a foundation can be laid on the table up-front, and potential corporate or individual investors can have a little more assurance that it's just not one guy who would take the money and run.

The barriers you would cross don't have to do with Kickstarter not being a great resource to start a new open torrent client, but, rather, convincing people your project won't just disappear into smoke in a year or two.

I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (5, Insightful)

Revotron (1115029) | more than 2 years ago | (#41016941)

It's not like BitTorrent is a widely-known standardized protocol with a handful of existing open-source clients...

...Oh. Wait.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (0)

rabtech (223758) | about 2 years ago | (#41017323)

It's not like BitTorrent is a widely-known standardized protocol with a handful of existing open-source clients...

So how exactly is BitTorrent supposed to survive (as a company) and continue improving the software?

There has to be some path to monetization. If you aren't paying for a product then you are the product, (being sold to marketers).

I've gotten to the point where I won't rely on anything offered for free because then you're just one corporate re-org, acquisition, etc away from being booted out in the cold. And who could blame people for wanting to eat or earn a living? They don't owe you anything.

I think their big mistake is not offering an ad-free experience for a small fee... then people can support further development whichever way they want.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 2 years ago | (#41017381)

Its not up to me to figure out their buisness plan. If they die, they die.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017405)

There has to be a path to monetization for a COMPANY to survive, but not for the BitTorrent protocol to keep going. Users are unlikely to care if the company that provides uTorrent goes under, because there are, as has been said already, numerous alternatives that were never intended as business ventures in the first place - Transmission, for example. BT itself is not dependent on money, only usage. "Survival," in its case, is not tied to profitability, but rather relevance.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (3, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 2 years ago | (#41017767)

How is TCP supposed to survive, as a company and... Oh, wait.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017781)

Other torrent clients manage just fine without this (rtorrent, transmission etc). Also they already make millions a year from it. This is just greed.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41018091)

Or you could, you know, contribute time and effort to make some open source software better. Money is not the only way to give back. In fact, a good many of us who contribute to open source software have day jobs to support ourselves. Hacking is a labor of love. It is about giving back to the community that has helped you. It is about growing your tech chops and having pride in your work. A few get paid but many of us don't. And we still do it anyway. So if you can't find a way to get paid for your work, you can get a day job like the rest of us and hack for fun. But I guarantee you that it pisses us off when you spit in our faces with mandatory advertising. (N.B.: rtorrent for the win!)

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018307)

>>>I've gotten to the point where I won't rely on anything offered for free because then you're just one corporate re-org, acquisition, etc away from being booted out in the cold.

(shrug). Not the first time I had to abandon ship for a different offering. Just looking at my online connection: First I had RUNterm (I had to type it from the magazine but it still cost $0.00). Then I had changed computers, and had to learn the commands for JRterm. Then AmigaMosaic in 93. Then Netscape in 95. Then Firefox in 2006 or so. And most recently Opera (because FF stopped looking/acting like FF).

Despite the headache I'd still rather have free then suck thousands of dollars from my wallet buying software (money that could be used for more-useful things like Christmas presents for the kids) (or more frequent flights home).

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (2)

cdrnet (1582149) | about 2 years ago | (#41018637)

"Current annual revenue is estimated at somewhere between $15 and $20 million and the company is backed by millions in venture capital."

http://torrentfreak.com/utorrent-becomes-ad-supported-to-rake-in-millions-120810/ [torrentfreak.com]

So unless TF got their numbers wrong, this is not at all about surviving - they do very well already.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 years ago | (#41017959)

Remember when AOL bought Nullsoft and released Winamp 3.0?
This is almost exactly the same story, but BitTorrent Inc. also thought including advertising would be a good idea.

People are passionate about the tools they interact with every day.

Re:I Completely Agree With the Outrage! (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#41018717)

YOU BASTARD...

I.... I.... I....

*curls up in the fetal position in the corner of the room sobbing*.

Grovel before us (2)

RHoltslander (2132652) | more than 2 years ago | (#41016945)

We refuse to be appeased under any circumstances. We will stand aloof and BitTorrent must grovel.

Or pay for... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41016961)

your porn/movies/music instead of leeching off of society.

Re:Or pay for... (3, Insightful)

bbecker23 (1917560) | more than 2 years ago | (#41017049)

*continues seeding the ArchLinux iso*

Pay for your what now?

Re:Or pay for... (3, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#41017137)

*continues seeding the ArchLinux iso*

You goddam thief. You've not just stolen a stolen a sale from an honest hard working corporation, but you've probably enabled the theft of thoudands of sales. I don't know how you can sleep at night when you steal so much from honest corportations working hard to make quality proprietary operating systems. I know your type. Next you'll be killing babies.

Re:Or pay for... (5, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41017231)

Next you'll be killing babies

or puppies:

# rm -f puppylinux.iso

Re:Or pay for... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017267)

It's cute when you people pretend that this isn't just a giant piracy ring. Yeah, it's those Linux distros you all get up in arms about.

A-fucking-dorable.

Re:Or pay for... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017367)

Let's see, what have I used bittorent for lately?

Archlinux ISO
Ubuntu ISO
Overgrowth Alpha
Oh yea, ALL OF THE HUMBLE INDIE BUNDLE GAMES

Re:Or pay for... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 2 years ago | (#41017481)

I've also torrented libreoffice,

and my ratio for the last few releases of eclipse is over 200/1

Re:Or pay for... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41018837)

The bit torrent software.

sure I'll pay creative works (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017243)

I'll happily pay the original creators and people who worked on something for their efforts

But I won't pay any IP "owners" who aren't the original creators
And I won't pay for marketing since I can find out about stuff myself
And I won't pay the compensation of executives or board members or investors or dividends for stockholders since they had nothing to do with the creation process
And I won't pay for packaging, distribution, or retail markup since duplicating and transporting the data is effectively a cost-free process
And I won't pay for anything older than ~10 years since if the original creator hasn't made their money in 10 years they never will (the exception being games older than 10 years which are updated to run on newer hardware without emulation, but not for the original 10 year old game)
And I won't pay for anything that I already purchased

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (1)

neminem (561346) | about 2 years ago | (#41017417)

I disagree with your penultimate statement. I am quite happy to pay the original creators for work I enjoyed regardless of how old it, or they, happen to be. I see no reason to make that distinction. (Though I would be less likely to feel the need to pay for something a hundred years old so the creator's grandkid could live a life of leisure off his brilliant dad granddad's work.)

Games are different, in my view, only because they're quite frequently true abandonware - I feel even less guilty pirating things than normal, if the thing only gives me the choice between pirating and nothing, the original legal content not even being available for purchase.

I agree completely with the rest of your statements. I pirate most of my tv, but almost none of my books or music. Why? Cause authors and musicians (at least most of the musicians -I- listen to) get at least a decent bit of the money I'm trying to send them.

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41018483)

I disagree with your penultimate statement. I am quite happy to pay the original creators for work I enjoyed regardless of how old it, or they, happen to be. I see no reason to make that distinction.

Some people believe that copyright shouldn't exist as long as it does now. Some have suggested 10 years.

But then again, you could still give money to the authors even after their copyright expired...

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (1)

neminem (561346) | about 2 years ago | (#41018533)

Oh, I totally agree copyright shouldn't last as long as it does. I'd be fine with 10 years, I'd be fine with a bit longer, but definitely nowhere near as it is now (also with slightly more explicit fair use exemptions, and ones people, including lawyers, knew about and respected. But that's another story.)

I'm also often happy to pay money to authors of works even after they've copylefted/public domain'd it. Sometimes moreso!

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (1)

Feanorian (1664427) | about 2 years ago | (#41018247)

Sounds reasonable to me *checks ktorrent*

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019141)

And I won't pay for marketing since I can find out about stuff myself

Bullshit. Word of mouth does not work so well -- you can't learn about everything from slashdot.
There is a place for advertising. Yes, it has gone too far now, but that does not mean it needs to be completely abolished.

Re:sure I'll pay creative works (1)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#41019347)

Good lucking having $100 million budget movies and games made in that universe of yours.

Misread the line.. (1)

Jharish (101858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41017077)

..."bloated and buggy cash cow"

as

bloated and buggy CRASH cow.

A crash cow is a great new name for a buggy piece of software.

Making money with stolen goods? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017135)

That is how the Studios will see it.

You use links to copyrighted material theft to benefit financially by ad revenue.

They will BURN bad.

uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (4, Insightful)

Freddybear (1805256) | about 2 years ago | (#41017145)

Besides the increasingly intrusive ads, uTorrent 3.x.x just sucks. It randomly consumes 100% of one cpu core and is highly unpredictable on bandwidth usage when downloading. I'm sticking with 2.2.1 until hell freezes over.

Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017299)

For those that need it. http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7001277/uTorrent_v2.2.1.25302_-_DHT_Patched_CUE

Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017685)

Still using 1.5.11 on Mac OS X.

Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41018361)

3.x seems to work fine on my laptop, and all it has is ~354 meg of RAM and a P3 processor. So does 2.2.1 support PirateBay's magnet links?
Oh and can someone link me to the PirateBay file that holds all their magnet links?

Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41018855)

Yup. It supports magnet links. You can get it at the website listed on the brother to your post or try filehippo.

Re:uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW (3, Informative)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 2 years ago | (#41018519)

Just for those who don't know you can find old versions of programs at...

http://www.oldversion.com/ [oldversion.com]

Switch to Deluge (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017159)

It's pretty nice. You setup a master somewhere in your house and then you slave your other computers to it. Then you can access the files via Windows shares on the master box.

There must be a way to pirate this, right? (1)

cornicefire (610241) | about 2 years ago | (#41017233)

I feel bad about pirating some software and music, but it seems much less bad to pirate some BitTorrent code, right? And by pirate, I mean installing some ad-blocking software so I don't need to watch their crazy ads and waste some bandwidth on the ads when that bandwidth could be torrenting even more content.

Why bother with ads? You don't HAVE to! (-1)

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* I told myself (since i built it in late 2003 in version 1.0++ & have rebuilt it 5x since in Borland Delphi 3.0/5.0/7.0 32-bit & currently into 64-bit using Delphi XE2) this:

That IF things didn't get better on the "malware front" by 2012, out it would go for the general public to get the above enumerated multiple & versatile benefits custom hosts yield for end users!

(Mainly in saving them money on speed + bandwidth they pay for each month as well as added "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" AND reliability & even a bit better "anonymity", all noted above...).

APK

P.S.=> It works for ALL of the enumerated benefits above - here are the SPECIFICS/Details of those:

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A.) Offers massively noticeable increased speed for websurfing via blocking adbanners

B.) Offers increased speed for users fav. sites by hardcoding them into the hosts file for faster IP address-to-host/domain name resolutions (which sites RARELY change their hosting providers, e.g.-> of 250 I do, only 6 have changed since 2006 - & when sites do because they found a less costly hosting provider? Then, they either email notify members, put up warnings on their pages, & do IP warnings & redirectors onto the former IP address range to protect vs. the unscrupulous criminal bidding on that range to buy it to steal from users of say, online banking or shopping sites).

C.) Better "Layered-Security"/"Defense-In-Depth" via blocking host-domain based attacks by KNOWN bad sites-servers that are known to do so (which IS, by far, the majority of what's used by both users (hence the existence of the faulty but for most part working DNS system), AND even by malware makers (since host-domain names are recyclable by they, & the RBN (Russian Business Network & others)) were doing it like mad with "less than scrupulous", or uncaring, hosting providers)

D.) Better 'anonymity' to an extent vs. DNS request logs (not vs. DPI ("deep packet inspection"))

E.) The ability to circumvent unjust DNSBL (DNS Block Lists) if unjust or inconveniences a user.

F.) Protection vs. online trackers

G.) Better security vs. the DNS system being "dns poisoned/redirected" (a known problem for recursive DNS servers via port 51/53 misdirection)

H.) Write protecting the hosts file every 1/2 second (supplementing UAC) - even if/when you move it from the default location via this registry entry (which if done, can function ALMOST like *NIX shadow passwords because of this program):

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters

And changing the "DataBasePath" parameter there (I do this moving it to a faster media, a "true SSD" using DDR-2 RAM, in the 4gb Gigabyte IRAM I have).

I.) Automatic downloading & Alphabetic sorting of hosts files' records entries (for easier end user mgt. manually) from 15 reliable sources (of 17 I actually use).

J.) Manual editing of all files used (hosts to import list, hosts itself in its default location of %windir%\system32\drivers\etc, the hosts files to import/download & process, & favorite sites to reverse dns ping to avoid DNS (noted above why)).

K.) Removal scanners (if the users decide to remove hosts entries from imported data they can check if the site is indeed known as bad or not (sometimes 'false positives' happen, or just bad entries, or sites clean themselves up after infestation due to vulnerable coding etc./et al)).

L.) Removal of bloating material in many hosts files like Comments (useless bulk in a hosts file that's "all business")

M.) Removal of bloating material in many hosts files like Trailing comments after records (produces duplicates)

N.) Removal of bloating material in many hosts files like Invalid TLD entries (program checks this in a BETTER method than the API call "PathIsURL")

O.) Removal of bloating material in many hosts files like Trims entries (vs. trailing blanks bloat on record entries)

P.) Removal of bloating material in many hosts files like the conversion of the larger & SLOWER 127.0.0.1 blocking "loopback adapter" address (slower due to larger size bytes wise to parse, & slower if loopback happens) to the smaller/faster to parse & load 0.0.0.0

Q.) Uniformity of ALL entries in hosts (as to records inserted & format they use - reducing bloat AND repeated bloating entries).

R.) Filtration-Removal of sites that IF in a hosts file are KNOWN to cause problems on larger portals that use CDN etc.

S.) Custom hosts files protect ALL webbound programs, not just webbrowsers (like AdBlock addons, & it doesn't even block ALL adbanners by default anymore) & it does so @ a more efficient faster level (Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode) acting merely as a filter for the PnP design IP stack, vs. the slower level webbrowser programs & their addons operate in (Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode), which addons slow them even more by "layering on" parsing & processing that browser addons layer on.

T.) Custom hosts files also offer the speedup to favorite sites noted above, & even firewalls + browser addons do NOT offer that...

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& MORE, in roughly 10-15 minutes runtime (on an Intel Core I7 920 Quad/4 core cpu @ 2.67ghz) over millions of hosts file record entries no less, & faster on faster CPU's (e.g. - Intel Core I7 3960 "extreme" 6-7 core CPUs = 7 minute runtime) & slower on slower CPU's (Intel 1.5ghz Celeron single core = 45 minutes).

(Above all else - Enjoy the program: It works!)

Thanks for your time...

... apk

Re:Why bother with ads? You don't HAVE to! (-1, Flamebait)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#41018193)

For better or worse, you really aren't neurotypical. Apparently for the worse, given the largely incoherent scrawl above and the other online examples of your attempts at communicating I've belatedly found. The software may be nifty, but I can't readily trust software from someone with a personality more borderline than Hans Reiser. There are plenty of other methods and tools to manage the hosts file and blocklists in general, whose authors aren't nearly so... provocative.

An application of... "ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019341)

".evitacovorp ...os ylraen t'nera srohtua esohw ,lareneg ni stsilkcolb dna elif stsoh eht eganam ot sloot dna sdohtem rehto fo ytnelp era erehT .resieR snaH naht enilredrob erom ytilanosrep a htiw enoemos morf erawtfos tsurt ylidaer t'nac I tub ,ytfin eb yam erawtfos ehT .dnuof yldetaleb ev'I gnitacinummoc ta stpmetta ruoy fo selpmaxe enilno rehto eht dna evoba lwarcs tnerehocni ylegral eht nevig ,esrow eht rof yltnerappA .lacipytoruen t'nera yllaer uoy ,esrow ro retteb roF" - by macraig (621737) ANOTHER "ne'er-do-well" /. OFF-TOPIC TROLL on Thursday August 16, @07:24PM (#41018193)

"???"

Uhm... Could we get a translation of that off-topic "troll-speak/trolllanguage" of yours, please?

---

I'd also like to impart some wisdom on you:

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society..." - J. Krishnamurti

Especially since you've attempted to libel myself (minus a formal diagnosis of my alleged mental condition 'according to you, "Dr.Quack", the "SiDeWaLk-'Shrink' of /.", lol, actually performed in a professional psychiatric environs, by a licensed & PhD certified psychiatric professionals - without ALL of which, you're FULL of it + nobody to judge myself, or others, on those grounds with your insta-snap 'prognosis', you wannabe):

* Additionally & lastly - You're an off-topic troll that attempts illogical ad hominem failing attacks - no questions asked...SEE MY SUBJECT LINE ABOVE!

APK

P.S.=> You can trust this code works, witness above, troll:

("ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy", for trolls - Courtesy of this code by "yours truly" in less than 1 second flat):

---

#TrollTalkComReversePsychologyKiller.py (Ver #2 by APK)

def reverse(s):
    try:
        trollstring = ""
        for apksays in s:
        trollstring = apksays + trollstring
    except:
        print("error/abend in reverse function")
    return trollstring

s = ""
print reverse(s)

try:
  s = "Insert whatever 'trollspeak/trolllanguage' gibberish occurs here..."
  s = reverse(s)
  print(s)
except Exception as e:
  print(e)

---

... apk

Re:An application of... "ReVeRsE-PsYcHoLoGy" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019403)

Wow. I wanna take you to a nightclub with a disco ball and let you loose.

So what are the best alternatives? (1)

vux984 (928602) | about 2 years ago | (#41017335)

Now looks like a good time to reflect on the options. What are the good torrent options on windows?

Even better what are the best OSS ones?

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017475)

I switched to Tixati. It's OK, in a few weeks i will try qbittorrent, and after that i will try OneSwarm I found these all through MajorGeeks.com

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | about 2 years ago | (#41018317)

Deluge, for Windows, looks to be what uTorrent used to be, but abandoned when it got bought out: lightweight and functional and nothing more.

Seriously, the people running uTorrent are lost. The u is really = micro which is what uTorrent stood for in the face of the bloated beast of Azureus and its kin. I think the tag line was something like "a lightweight little torrent client" or something - the emphasis was low resources, and fast. Before you know it, it'll just be another Vuze.

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (1)

Smauler (915644) | about 2 years ago | (#41019401)

I've been a utorrent user since it started almost. Switched to Vuze recently, for many reasons.

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41018337)

qBittorrent is serviceable, and seems to have the most green boxes on Wikipedia's feature comparison page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (1)

mirix (1649853) | about 2 years ago | (#41018777)

Deluge is quite nice on linux. There is a windows port, but I haven't run it... So I can't say if the experience is the same there.

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (1)

mirix (1649853) | about 2 years ago | (#41018793)

Sorry, forgot to mention that is GPL.

Re:So what are the best alternatives? (1)

EdZ (755139) | about 2 years ago | (#41019013)

Tixati [tixati.com] seems pretty nice and lightweight, but has the various back-end gubbins (scheduling, TCP/UDP options, etc) that uTorrent has without the bloat.

PeerBlock (1)

dark_requiem (806308) | about 2 years ago | (#41017351)

Seriously, who torrents without using a blacklisting program like PeerBlock, anyway? Yes, I know it's not perfect, but it helps, and guess what? It can block ad servers, too! If I hadn't read about this here, they probably could have implemented the ads, and I wouldn't have known about it at all!

qTorrent looks like a good alternative (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017361)

qTorrent was suggested on other tech community web sites as an alternative to uTorrent when this story broke. It's open-source, multi-platform and looks polished and is ad-free. Like uTorrent, it claims a small footprint. Is anyone already using it?

http://www.qbittorrent.org/ [qbittorrent.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBittorrent [wikipedia.org]

Remember Azereus? That was a popular platform until its owners bloated it with crap that no one wanted. They could now serve as that demotivational poster of a wrecked ship with the byline: "It may be your purpose in life is to act as a warning to others." uTorrent were going down that path, so it's encouraging to see them realise playing chicken with a lighthouse is not a wise surivival strategy. I never understood the point of 'apps' in uTorrent. What's next: 'apps' for Microsoft Word? 'apps' for 'apps'?

This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing... (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#41017411)

... because I've checked repeatedly for the latest version and there are no updates (v3.1.3 build 27220), yet there are simply no 'sponsored torrents' nor any advertising of any sort to see. As far as I can tell this is vaporware and much ado about something that hasn't actually happened. Did they somehow selectively roll it out to a certain demographic group, like maybe people whose default browser is Internet Explorer or whose browser isn't configured to request do-not-track?

Or maybe... my cranial powers and dislike of hard-sell advertising are both so staggering that I'm simply subconsciously willing these sponsored torrents not to appear? Yeah, that must be it....

Re: cranial powers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017529)

Anthony Fremont, is that you? I'm outta here.

Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41018035)

They already have a tab called Featured Content (I think since version 3.x.x) . I always though they were planning to make it more prominent and sort of must view thing.

Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#41018311)

So is that all it is, then? I've had that tab/feature disabled in Options for so long that I'd forgotten about it. I also disabled the Apps section and even the sidebar, since it's not relevant to the way I use it.

No matter. If they do decide to take a hard sell approach I'll find a way to mitigate it or find another app to do the job. I'm willing to pay/donate a bit for what the software does for me, but I'm not willing to tolerate blatant advertising. (Reminds me of some episodes of the past season of the reimagined Hawaii Five-O series, wherein some of the "product placement" was so excessive it made me throw up in my mouth a little every time.)

Re:This whole 'outrage' and reporting is confusing (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 2 years ago | (#41018825)

You have utorrent for a Mac (as do I).

I understand utorrent for Windows has the "download from beginning" which is a pretty killer feature. On my Windows machine with BitComet (don't laught) it means I can start watching after 15 seconds instead of having to wait a whole 5-15 minutes.

Windows version probably works for WINE, maybe I should use that instead.

What's this about Macs? (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#41019155)

No, I don't have uTorrent for OSX. I have it installed natively in Windows 7 x64, no VMs or bootcamps anywhere in sight. I don't know what I said that provoked that conclusion, but you concluded incorrectly. I've never even bothered trying any of the streaming features and don't know much of anything about them, other than the barest knowledge that they exist. For me they're not a killer feature; I do a real good impression of a person demonstrating infinite patience.

Re:What's this about Macs? (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 2 years ago | (#41019305)

Just google "utorrent download" instead of making posts stating that you wonder about it, and you'll see that the latest version for Windows is 3.2 http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/ [utorrent.com]

And BTW fucking Macs, how I hate them so. Windows version of utorrent won't work with WINE. I upgraded to the newest version of WINE, and find out that my 1.5 year old Mac needs to have a not-free OS upgrade to be able to run the newer versions of WINE, an upgrade that makes my desktop more iPad like.

Re:What's this about Macs? (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#41019381)

... you'll see that the latest version for Windows is 3.2.

I clearly stated that I checked for a pushed update, which the software told me didn't exist. This new version isn't being pushed to existing installs (yet). I even spent a few minutes rummaging on the uTorrent site looking for a current version number, but I didn't get to that particular download page and they're not very forthcoming about it anywhere else... so I didn't know. I even downloaded it from a different link - with no description of the version - intending to check the file properties for a clue, but I got distracted by something more shiny. If I'd done that I also would have found the new version.

No matter... I've disabled the automatic updating today, so I won't be seeing it any time soon, and I certainly won't be executing that download. I'll be terminating it, with prejudice.

Heh. (0)

Goaway (82658) | about 2 years ago | (#41017523)

Trying to make money off pirates.

Great plan.

I tolerate ads (1)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about 2 years ago | (#41017583)

As long as ads are discreet (no "punch the monkey" stunts, no attention-killing animations) and don't waste too much bandwidth, I'm fine with them.
I don't use AdBlock. I want the sites I love to be economically viable.

Re:I tolerate ads (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41017603)

you FREAK!
What are you doing on /.?

won't be upgrading (1)

DigitalisAkujin (846133) | about 2 years ago | (#41017599)

Saw this coming a mile away. I haven't upgraded my utorrent in a while and now have a real reason to not upgrade.

Re:won't be upgrading (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41018801)

They just provide software and a service you use. The nerve of them wanting to make some money.
They should do all there work for free, like you.

dumb ass.

Learn to BLOCK ads. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41018785)

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

We want free stuff (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41018789)

and we will leave if you put a picture of a product so you can make money.
whaa. whaa. We have the right to free stuff and free services.. whaa!

ktorrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41019035)

ktorrent FTW.

Free and no adds.

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